: Product loyalty: consumers mistake familiarity with superiority


Kooldino
06-06-2007, 09:44 PM
Interesting article. It basically shows that MOST people when raised on one system versus another will claim that the system that they're most familiar with is the best system.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070605-product-loyalty-consumers-mistake-familiarity-with-superiority.html

Mr. Win
06-06-2007, 10:42 PM
Yep, works with politics and all the way down to laundry soap. I've seen the research and most people make a choice within 5sec based around what they've grown up with.

Kooldino
06-06-2007, 10:50 PM
This is why NASCAR is popular.

LancerGTS
06-07-2007, 03:27 AM
so true

kathryn
06-07-2007, 11:47 AM
the other day i found myself falling victim to this..

I saw that Cingular is not AT&T.. and because i once worked at AT&T.. i thought.. hm.. much better.. i like them again..

and then i thought, "wtf am i thinking.. they changed the logo... that's all"

LancerGTS
06-07-2007, 01:33 PM
lol

Kansei
07-31-2007, 02:22 PM
This is why NASCAR is popular.


:'(

Liquid_Ag
07-31-2007, 02:28 PM
that why mazdas are the best

SATimko
07-31-2007, 02:55 PM
I can see this. Although, I base my computer decision on what I want to do with it. If I was recording more than I do, and more seriously for that matter...I'd snag an Apple.

Kansei
07-31-2007, 03:02 PM
that why mazdas are the best

lies!

They really are the best, seriously.

Don't tell me you wouldn't stick it in an FS-DEs butt

Liquid_Ag
07-31-2007, 03:21 PM
i would, but had our passat been half as good as the 1g, i would like vdubs probably

Kooldino
07-31-2007, 07:29 PM
I can see this. Although, I base my computer decision on what I want to do with it. If I was recording more than I do, and more seriously for that matter...I'd snag an Apple.

I was raised on Microsoft PCs, but I'll readily point out their flaws. I also don't think that Windows is "the best" platform, but I do prefer it over the Mac. There are just too many things I still hate about Macs, no matter how hard I try to love them.

I'm really digging linux as of late, however one major obstacle there is the fact that my Microsoft OS knowledge far exceeds my linux knowledge.

Kooldino
07-31-2007, 07:29 PM
lies!

They really are the best, seriously.

Don't tell me you wouldn't stick it in an FS-DEs butt

I'm sad that our cars have FS motors in them.

But I guess it could be worse. :/

Kooldino
07-31-2007, 07:30 PM
i would, but had our passat been half as good as the 1g, i would like vdubs probably

Surprised you don't. You're almost a typical vdubber.

Kansei
07-31-2007, 07:37 PM
Surprised you don't. You're almost a typical vdubber.

qft

plus he likes it in the pooper

SATimko
07-31-2007, 07:39 PM
I was raised on Microsoft PCs, but I'll readily point out their flaws. I also don't think that Windows is "the best" platform, but I do prefer it over the Mac. There are just too many things I still hate about Macs, no matter how hard I try to love them.

I'm really digging linux as of late, however one major obstacle there is the fact that my Microsoft OS knowledge far exceeds my linux knowledge.

Word.

One thing I can't stand is when people say that there's absolutely nothing wrong with their system because it's the one they prefer. All systems have problems. The sooner you recognize such problems, the sooner you can either a) fix them b) live with it.

Kooldino
07-31-2007, 07:45 PM
Exactly. Most Apple fanbois would rather die than admit fault with their precious OS.

Kansei
07-31-2007, 07:49 PM
Exactly. Most Apple fanbois would rather die than admit fault with their precious OS.

for every fault with the OS I can point out 3 really nice polished UI touches that most people won't ever notice but for those who do, they're amazing.

Kooldino
07-31-2007, 07:55 PM
See, but I'm more about function over "a nice polished touch" in an OS. However, I do love polished things.

But I have OCD when it comes to interfaces. If something doesn't act in a way that I think it should, it annoys me to no end. Example: APPLE+Q to close a program rather than simply clicking the "X" in Windows. That just sucks.

Kansei
07-31-2007, 08:04 PM
Here's my fav (and most prominent for new users) ui touch: the menubar always being at the top of the screen.

Reasons it is awesome:
- if you have say 5 firefox windows opens (use tabs more you buffoon), there's still just one menubar.
- it's always in the same place, no matter what the application or where the application is on screen
- it's at the screen edge. It takes a measurable amount of time longer for you to 'find' the menu bar using the pointer in windows because it isn't at the top, it's 30-40 pixels down from that, and that's assuming the window is maximized. when something is at the screen edge you can instantly find it, because you just push the mouse in that direction and you're there, no matter how far you push. Windows is OK about this for most controls, like scroll bars are precisely at the screen edge when windows are maximized, buttons on the start menu operate normally with your mouse pointer at the exact bottom of the screen (though the ui is messed up, at least in vista with the windows classic theme.. the buttons don't show a hoverover highlight, but when you click they operate)

Reasons it sucks:
- it isn't inside the application window so it can confuse people

then there's the oftentimes controversial, almost always ricey OS X Dock.
Awesome because:
- you launch applications and manage applications from one central place. No more having a shortcut to launch the application being in one place, but the application when it's open being in another (i.e. quick launch bar, taskbar, and systray in windows).

sucks because:
- it's set to 'ricer mode' by default
- it doesn't show text right away, so if you have 5 minimized firefox windows you gotta guess by the teeny thumbnail of the window what is inside it

DISCLAIMER: I don't currently own a Mac, but I have (my latest being a mac mini). My sister is the mac-nut of the family :P

DISCLAIMERAGAIN: the only reason I don't own a mac is because their laptops are total shit.. the hardware specs are fine but the quality and craftsmanship is gross. Yes, I have run OS X on my thinkpad back when os x for intel was first released and hacked. yes it was an amazing thing, no my wireless card didn't work so I stopped using it.

:P

Kooldino
07-31-2007, 09:22 PM
Here's my fav (and most prominent for new users) ui touch: the menubar always being at the top of the screen.

Reasons it is awesome:
- if you have say 5 firefox windows opens (use tabs more you buffoon), there's still just one menubar.

So what? In Windows if you had 5 windows open, the menu bar would still be in the same place, assuming all 5 were maximized.

- it's always in the same place, no matter what the application or where the application is on screen

That's not necessarily a good thing. In fact, it's damn annoying for smaller apps that may not consume a large portion of the screen. Furthermore, I've never had any trouble finding a menu bar, so I don't see the benefit of this one.

- it's at the screen edge. It takes a measurable amount of time longer for you to 'find' the menu bar using the pointer in windows because it isn't at the top, it's 30-40 pixels down from that, and that's assuming the window is maximized. when something is at the screen edge you can instantly find it, because you just push the mouse in that direction and you're there, no matter how far you push. Windows is OK about this for most controls, like scroll bars are precisely at the screen edge when windows are maximized, buttons on the start menu operate normally with your mouse pointer at the exact bottom of the screen (though the ui is messed up, at least in vista with the windows classic theme.. the buttons don't show a hoverover highlight, but when you click they operate)

Ok, that's a minor advantage of it, but really, it's not saving you any measurable amount of time.

Reasons it sucks:
- it isn't inside the application window so it can confuse people

Yup. It can make you feel disconnected from your app.

Not to mention that if you're not paying attention, you could confuse the menu bar with the wrong app. That will never happen in something that's windows-like.

then there's the oftentimes controversial, almost always ricey OS X Dock.
Awesome because:
- you launch applications and manage applications from one central place. No more having a shortcut to launch the application being in one place, but the application when it's open being in another (i.e. quick launch bar, taskbar, and systray in windows).

Fair enough. However, I feel that dock is a bit too limited in terms of how much you can keep on it. It's also a little more confusing for a new user who isn't used to looking for the small black arrow that denotes a launched program from a shortcut.

sucks because:
- it's set to 'ricer mode' by default

wtf?

- it doesn't show text right away, so if you have 5 minimized firefox windows you gotta guess by the teeny thumbnail of the window what is inside it

Is there a setting for this?

Liquid_Ag
07-31-2007, 11:36 PM
dude. you guys all like in the pooper to. wth