These cars are natural enemies, battling it out for your performance yearning dollars. So which do you want? Which will you be ready to buy when they hit North America in about a month?

Granted this poll is on a forum named after one of the cars, so while I expect the results to be skewed, this will still be a fun poll and and I hope will generate a good discussion about the relative merits of each vehicle.

Let the battle begin!

I can't even vote on this poll, I can't make up my mind, or I prefer leaving my options open? OK, I am really leaning towards the STI recently, so I think I will have to choose that for now, for the purposes of this poll. It just seems to hit all the right points in what I am looking for in my next car.

I have wanted an evo for quite a while now. I can't let someone elses opinion decide how I will feel about something without even experiencing it for myself. I think people on forums (mostly EvoM) are overly critical. Everybody wants the car company to apease them, when they have to think about must more. as a customer yeah you want what you want when you want it, I get it. But the things people are complaining about can be fixed by the customer. I mean come on who will be leaving this car stock??? Bottomline Evo X MR all the way.... cause I don't like hatchbacks... just doesn't scream performance car to me. (hopefully the SST doesn't bite me in the ass haha)

The ugly looks of the STI is a pretty hard pill for me to swallow, just like how some people think the Evo X performance is a hard pill to swallow.

Ultimately, both cars has one major 'down fall', Evo X under performs while the STI looks ugly as sin.

So it really depends if you want to trade performance for looks.

Personally I can't throw down 40-50k on a car that I think looks ugly.

I have wanted an evo for quite a while now. I can't let someone elses opinion decide how I will feel about something without even experiencing it for myself. I think people on forums (mostly EvoM) are overly critical. Everybody wants the car company to apease them, when they have to think about must more. as a customer yeah you want what you want when you want it, I get it. But the things people are complaining about can be fixed by the customer. I mean come on who will be leaving this car stock??? Bottomline Evo X MR all the way.... cause I don't like hatchbacks... just doesn't scream performance car to me. (hopefully the SST doesn't bite me in the ass haha)

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The ugly looks of the STI is a pretty hard pill for me to swallow, just like how some people think the Evo X performance is a hard pill to swallow.

Ultimately, both cars has one major 'down fall', Evo X under performs while the STI looks ugly as sin.

So it really depends if you want to trade performance for looks.

Personally I can't throw down 40-50k on a car that I think looks ugly.

It's easier to make the X faster than it is to make the STi prettier.

It's easier to make the X faster than it is to make the STi prettier.

You make a compelling argument :)

One more thing I might add is that the Evo X won "most fun car" even though it is slower in the straights than the 9. That says something about the overall car.

I mean, don't people want to go fast because they want to have fun? Well the Evo X can do that with less of that.

I am not saying that the Evo X is 'ok' to perform worst than the 9, but I think credits should be given where it is due.

I am a prime candidate for the new STi. I've had a Suby for four years. Modded the hell out of it. Learned a load of stuff that would translate to the new STi. Made friends on Suby boards. I moderate on toronto subaru club.com. Made friends at Suby shops like Four Star Motorsports. My car won Best In Show at the annual Toronto Subaru Club/Subaru Of Canada Show and Shine two years in a row.
I even like hatches. My GF has a Mazda 3 which I like because I can throw snowboards or my mtn bike in the back of so easily.
All that being said, I just can't get past the looks of the new STi. It just reminds me of a PT Cruiser too much. And I hate those ridiculous tail lights.

The only way I'm not making good on my deposit for the EVO X MR is if they announce silly pricing.

Only thing I would criticize on the sti would be the corola/hyundai front end. I have been anxiously waiting for the evo x for more than two years and went from-"this is such a great looking car, and its gona rock", to-"I cant believe its slower than almost everything it competes against, I cant believe it will be 300 pounds heavier in usdm form, I cant believe mitsu. would do this to their flagship". My $15000 downpayment will have to wait and see what mitsu does about pricing---because i think that if i can get ahold of that wrc wing on the wrc concept for the sti and mitsu prices the evo the same or higher than the sti, I may just be doing something I never thought i would do, and thats go with the sti.

If the STI had stayed with the previous body style, I wouldve voted for it.

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/rb32007.jpg

how fair is it for the STi, to post this poll on an evo x forum? I mean really...ok so should I go post this same poll on nasioc.com (north american SUBARU IMPREZA owners club) and expect an unbiased statistic?

All's fair in love and war, as they say. I was not looking for an unbiased statistic. If that is what you want then call 2,000 people from the phone book and get back to us with your results.

We know that the STI is going to get a beat down in an Evo forum. This is just for fun and to generate discussion. The fact that it will get any votes here says something about both cars.

Like a lot of people here, I'm flip-flopping between the 2 on a daily basis.

I'm not a fan of the size/weight of the EVO, but I hate the NA seats in the STI. If the STI came with the JDM Recaros, I'd get it in a heart beat.

I have little doubt the STI will beat out the EVO in most comparisons.

I too am a flip-flopper.
I've been fascinated by the X from the first article I read, and still am.
I can get over the fact that it is not as fast as the 9 or the STI, I'm not going to be racing them anyways. I got over the hatchback thing and was sold on the STI until pricing was released. Was more than I expected and took some wind out of my sails for it. I'm hoping the X is priced more to my expectations and I'll be more than happy to hand over some money.
I will be the odd man out in my group as 3 others are planning on getting the STI. I like being odd.

I'd lean towards the Evo MR if you could get the thing with a manual. I've driven the Audi TT with the S Tronic for three extended test drives now and I just can't get over the lack of a manually activated clutch... no matter how good the new twin clutch autos are.

As for the STI seats, the initial reviewers seem to like them so that might be a non issue. And while it ain't no looker, I do like hatchbacks.

Anyhow, I'll be seeing them both either at the Cleveland or Detroit Auto Show.

My choice is the Evo X (i guess thats why im here). The STi may be faster, but i dont care about all the 'this beats this by so many fractions of a second.' At that point its all nit picking (like they are doing on EvoM). When it comes down to this point where they are both very very similar, what matters to me are:

The exterior appearance goes to the Evo.
The more advanced AWD systems goes to the Evo.
The price goes to the EVO (im assuming that the EVO will start at low 30s).

EVOX not really a hard choice. Especially since this is an EVO forum...LOL

My choice is the Evo X (i guess thats why im here). The STi may be faster, but i dont care about all the 'this beats this by so many fractions of a second.' At that point its all nit picking (like they are doing on EvoM). When it comes down to this point where they are both very very similar, what matters to me are:

The exterior appearance goes to the Evo.
The more advanced AWD systems goes to the Evo.
The price goes to the EVO (im assuming that the EVO will start at low 30s).

how can the price go to the evo? it hasn't been released yet...and most speculation tends to think that price is actually going to go to the STi...

don't get me wrong...I've been waiting for the X for a long time now, especially when I found out that the STi was going to be a hatch...I currently own my second Subaru and was heart set on the 08 STi...when I found out about the hatch I went and almost bought one of the last remaining 07's...but I held out and did more research on the X...but with the preliminary numbers I started looking at the STi again...so now, like most, I'm going back and forth...and now I like the look of the new STi...

so for me the only thing the evo has on the STi is fastkey and recaros...but you'll be able to get the jdm recaros if you really want them...I paid quite a bit to get jdm sti seats in my wrx...fastkey is cool but I know I would unlock the car before I got to the door...and sometimes that thing is tricky (knows from experience having sold mitsus and seen the look on customers' faces when the door doesn't open right away demonstrating the fastkey entry...)

I don't know...I'm really interested in the upcoming comparison...I just wish they would finish it and post it already!

Right now I'm planning on getting an Evo X MR...but at the same time I am looking at other options at the $35-40k range...maybe even a little over 40k

i'd also like to test drive the new STI though, looks fun as hell.

Well i was hell bent on getting the evo x but all these tests and negative(performance) reviews have totally killed all my enthusiasm. If people have been hating on the evo x its because it deserves the hate. A regular wrx with 224hp does 0-60 in 5.6sec for gods sake!!!! the X does it in 5.4???? I will never understand why shitsubishi allowed this car to regress the way it has performance-wise, and i like many others MUST show how disappointed we are. Never would have i even considered the sti had it not been for this inexcusable regression, to me the only thing that saves the evo are its looks and to a lesser extent that it pulls .99g. But even with that it got eaten at the track by the evo 9 and old sti. The only way I would buy the X now is if it came in at a lower price than the sti so i could try and get to at least 300whp with the aftermarket and lose some of that disgusting weight (over 300lbs!) on the usdm X shitsubishi deems nesesary.

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Well i was hell bent on getting the evo x but all these tests and negative(performance) reviews have totally killed all my enthusiasm. If people have been hating on the evo x its because it deserves the hate. A regular wrx with 224hp does 0-60 in 5.6sec for gods sake!!!! the X does it in 5.4???? I will never understand why shitsubishi allowed this car to regress the way it has performance-wise, and i like many others MUST show how disappointed we are. Never would have i even considered the sti had it not been for this inexcusable regression, to me the only thing that saves the evo are its looks and to a lesser extent that it pulls .99g. But even with that it got eaten at the track by the evo 9 and old sti. The only way I would buy the X now is if it came in at a lower price than the sti so i could try and get to at least 300whp with the aftermarket and lose some of that disgusting weight (over 300lbs!) on the usdm X shitsubishi deems nesesary.

Although the above is harsh, it is true and to the point and I kind of feel the same way.....Sti is looking more attractive to me these days and I believe the Recaro front seats are an option, at least they will be for ADM cars :)

Considering the fact that for us in the Aust. market the car will cost twice as much as you guys have to pay for it, I expect to get everything it initially promised !!! not have to shell out loads of $$$ on aftermarket to get it to the same performance level it was supposed to have stock standard, or similar to a stock Evo 9 or new stock Sti - that's ridiculous !

BTW UK pricing for the new Sti has been announced and it's cheaper than the outgoing model !

Hopefully that'll be the case for all other World markets....

I may hang off and wait and see if Mitsu address this performance issue with a mid life update of the X or maybe wait for the Evo 11 or 12, they will surely/hopefully be better.

I don't know however if our ADM cars will have any excess weight ???

evo x for me. anyone can be fast. but the looks department, is what truly will stand out. regardless of how fast you go. imo.

Well i was hell bent on getting the evo x but all these tests and negative(performance) reviews have totally killed all my enthusiasm.

I'm sorry to hear that.

If people have been hating on the evo x its because it deserves the hate.

Hate is a strong emotion there. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy the car at gunpoint and make them part with their money. You can hate something once you've actually bought it and it disappointed you. Kind of like marrying the homecoming queen only to find out she doesn't give head and you divorce her and she takes you for half. =).

A regular wrx with 224hp does 0-60 in 5.6sec for gods sake!!!! the X does it in 5.4????

What else about the WRX is better than the X? I can name a whole bunch of other stuff that the non-performance oriented buyer would focus on rather than just a 0-60. Like an input shaft that doesn't loose all it's teeth after that 0-60 run.

I will never understand why shitsubishi allowed this car to regress the way it has performance-wise, and i like many others MUST show how disappointed we are.

Your use of the word 'shit' is directed at the wrong party. The tree-hugging, crash-test conscious, technology starved majority have spoken to their congresspeople and they have outvoted your minority group that MUST show how disappointed you are. You are totally barking up the wrong tree with this one. Take my example of the homecoming queen from above. What you're doing is basically ranting to everyone that this girl doesn't go down on you. How does that make her look bad? It actually makes the next guy grateful for not having to think about tasting your prick when he kisses her. :)

Never would have i even considered the sti had it not been for this inexcusable regression, to me the only thing that saves the evo are its looks and to a lesser extent that it pulls .99g.

See? There are good things to be found in a Shitsubishi.

But even with that it got eaten at the track by the evo 9 and old sti.

Yes, my first doctor told me I had HIV and only 3 months to live. Thank God I got a second opinion.

The only way I would buy the X now is if it came in at a lower price than the sti so i could try and get to at least 300whp with the aftermarket and lose some of that disgusting weight (over 300lbs!) on the usdm X shitsubishi deems nesesary.

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Well i was hell bent on getting the evo x but all these tests and negative(performance) reviews have totally killed all my enthusiasm. If people have been hating on the evo x its because it deserves the hate. A regular wrx with 224hp does 0-60 in 5.6sec for gods sake!!!! the X does it in 5.4???? I will never understand why shitsubishi allowed this car to regress the way it has performance-wise, and i like many others MUST show how disappointed we are. Never would have i even considered the sti had it not been for this inexcusable regression, to me the only thing that saves the evo are its looks and to a lesser extent that it pulls .99g. But even with that it got eaten at the track by the evo 9 and old sti. The only way I would buy the X now is if it came in at a lower price than the sti so i could try and get to at least 300whp with the aftermarket and lose some of that disgusting weight (over 300lbs!) on the usdm X shitsubishi deems nesesary.

evo x for me. anyone can be fast. but the looks department, is what truly will stand out. regardless of how fast you go. imo.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - I too think the Evo is the better looker, but also for me the new Sti is not bad looking either, all reports suggest it looks much better in the metal, so I'll reserve final judgement till we get to see it here early next year :)

I don't have a preference for sedan or hatch either, having owned many sedans and coupes in the past, I wouldn't mind having a hatch :)

For me, it's going to come down to final cost/value for money/bang for buck etc.

For the Aust. market, this is not looking good for the Evo 10 :(

I'm also going to take into account modding potential/expense.

To this end the Sti shines (here in Aust. anyway) the engine/driveline are nearly the same as previous models, so there's a plethora of knowledge and upgrade hardware/software to get a hold of at good prices.

The Evo 10 is new, not much at all yet in the way of mods and hardware/software (SST may also be a no go in this area ???) and when it does become available, it won't be cheap....

Or I might just hang in there and wait a few more years for the Evo 11 or 12...

how fair is it for the STi, to post this poll on an evo x forum? I mean really...ok so should I go post this same poll on nasioc.com (north american SUBARU IMPREZA owners club) and expect an unbiased statistic?

Lol exactly. If the STi were winning here... well, this would be the biggest failure of an Evo X forum ever :P

Apologies for the multiple posts there guys, my net is playing up - mods/admani please delete the multiple copies :)

If the STI had stayed with the previous body style, I wouldve voted for it.

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/rb32007.jpg

Times 2.
Love the stats that the Sti is putting out. Hate hate hate .. (did I say hate?) the look.

Not too worried about performance comparison with the evo though. Easy to get power out of, as mitsubishi always over-engineers it to cope with the abuse.

If the STI had stayed with the previous body style, I wouldve voted for it.

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/07/rb32007.jpg

Times 2
Love the stats that the STI is putting out. Hate hate hate the new look.
Not too fussed on performance, Evos are easily modified to have insane amts of power with stock parts.

come on now, EVO X is your best bet.... please, go away STI

i would buy the x tough the sti being a good contender,everybody around here thats owns an sti thinks their shit dont stink.everyone i know in the competition circuit always looks down on the evo's.if were to buy one they would all say we knew the eventually you woulkd recognize the sti better then the evo.when they loose to an evo they'll come up with some excuse,like i had a boost leak,bad clutch,missed a gear blah blah blah.like kmx said if you dont like the car dont buy it thats it.

If they didnt make the 08 STi in just a hatchback model this would have been a harder decision....but they made it easy....evo x ftw

I really like the practicality of the STI compare to the EVO but the Subaru lacks the looks.
A bit disapointing in terms of performance for the two of them , even more towards the Evo.
As a canadian, in terms of pricing I'm sure that because this car cannot cross the border as an imported vehicule the price would be a lot more avantageous for the STI.

Another thing I've realize is that I never saw than many people interested in the STI as of today because of the lack of more performance from the Evo? A couple of years ago it wasn't even a question of choosing between the two of them.

Im getting an 08 GMC Acadia...



... and the EVO X :)

now that we know the Evo X is easily tunable, you know the answer (Thanks HKS!)

You know what, because the STI is only coming to Canada fully loaded and will likely sticker at around $49K, it is off my list. I do not really want the hassle of buying in the US, but I will push for every last penny and percentage point from the Canadian manufacturers and dealers.

The Evo GSR? I just don't know. At an expected $43K I just don't think it is worth it. You won't be able to negotiate any deals off MSRP, you won't get any rebates, you won't get better than standard financing and lease rates. The residuals will probably be horrendously low. It is just so expensive in Canada. You guys in the US complain about the price going from $29K for the IX to $34K for the X, just add $10K and think about how screwed you would feel. Then think about doubling it, like in the UK or Australia, and think about how gang banged you would feel.

Now compare (all new):
08 Evo X GSR at $43K (est.)
07 Mazdaspeed6 at $28K (after cash rebate and negot.)
07 Legacy GT Spec.B at ~$34K (ditto)
08 Legacy GT Spec.B at ~$37K (ditto, but with less off MSRP on negot. than 07)

I think the 07 Mazdaspeed6 and 08 Legacy GT Spec.B have the performance/price ratio maxed out here (only chose 08 over 07 subie because a year is a year is a year, and when it comes time to resell an older model year's depreciation will take a bigger bite than $3K, even if the cars are the same age since purchased and have the same kilometres).

The hatch look for the STi is ugly

If the STi was available as a sedan and not just a hatch, I would consider it more. But the new STi is like the ugly step-child....you want to like it, but you just can't.
I'll deal with the fact that the X is half a second slower than its predecessors, because I'm pretty sure that a few minor tweaks will be able to up the power quite a bit, just like any other turbocharged vehicle.

A few tenths of a second is easily improved by driver skill IMHO

If the sti didnt have such a generic front end(lights especialy) i think it would look qwite good. I like those fender flares, and it would look crazy-agressive if you could get your hands on that wrc wing. Dealer in nyc told me over the phone $500 over invoice would put me in one, told him id call him back since im still waiting for mitsu to gimme a damn price. I know he wouldnt give up a sale for 500 bucks though--so it would be tough not to grab an sti for less than 33k. But I guess that would be a mute point if I could get the Xgsr for 35k with sss.

X for me, even though its slower in a straight, I much prefer sharper handling.

Besides the STI is ugly and I don't like hatchbacks, It does look a little better in person though; except the back. At least it looks better than the 135i, I thought that would be nice in person. Nope not a chance its fuglier than the STI.