I have been hearing rumors from some of my car obsessed friends and in other forums that mitsu is bringing a 6MT to the GSR for the 2010 model year. I think this would be amazing and make it far superior to any other Car. Do you think this could be true? IF there was 6mt on GSR do you think that would make MR's stop selling. TO me the only selling point of MR is that trannie is 6 speed even if it is a shitty DC that cant handle any torque! If they give Evo gsr 6mt who would spend an extra5k+ on crappy MR?

I sure hope this rumor is true bc 5 speed=:wallbash:
and MR DCT=:ghey: :bggay:

What we need is 6mt GSR which would=:props:Liquid_AgLiquid_AgLiquid_AgLiquid_AgLiquid_AgLiquid_Ag

yes 6speed GSR but MR will be 8 speed.

Why does a six-speed mean that much to you?

Wow award for the gayest post goes to the OP.

6spds are so over rated. I drove a MR and didn't like it. I drove a 335i with a 6spd manual and it wasn't all I expected it to be. I think the 5spd in the GSR is fine as it is. I mean you can say I'm biased....but what ever. The GSR rocks as it already is. Plus wouldn't the gearing of a 6spd manual go against what the GSR was made for...those looking for a more track and performance oriented car?

Wow award for the gayest post goes to the OP.

6spds are so over rated. I drove a MR and didn't like it. I drove a 335i with a 6spd manual and it wasn't all I expected it to be. I think the 5spd in the GSR is fine as it is. I mean you can say I'm biased....but what ever. The GSR rocks as it already is. Plus wouldn't the gearing of a 6spd manual go against what the GSR was made for...those looking for a more track and performance oriented car?



Ok? Six speed= closer gearing= better for track bc easier to stay in boost. That's why IX mr was better than IX GSR.

Six speeds also means better gas mileage at cruising speeds!

Have you been on track? At Infineon and Thunderhill you are almost always in 3rd and 4th gear.Very few times I am in 5th gear and never do I run out of gear. I'm in a braking zone before I would ever need a 6th gear. And with the shorter gears I would have to shift more and be off throttle more. So staying in boost is about the same, if not less bc of the shifts between gears.

And once again MPG is not the point of the GSR, you want a better cruising car choose a MR...

Have you been on track? At Infineon and Thunderhill you are almost always in 3rd and 4th gear.Very few times I am in 5th gear and never do I run out of gear. I'm in a braking zone before I would ever need a 6th gear. And with the shorter gears I would have to shift more and be off throttle more. So staying in boost is about the same, if not less bc of the shifts between gears.

And once again MPG is not the point of the GSR, you want a better cruising car choose a MR...

MR=:ghey:

I don't want a shitty SST that can't handle any torque!!!

6 speed is better. WHy do you think every other car company that makes reputable sports cars has a 6 speed on their cars(if they are smart enough to offer manual)?

Because it's a fad. You tell me why it's better then. But you don't dispute my logic why 5spd is better on track. But I didn't buy a GSR to get crazy cruising MPG. And it's not a SST problem it's an automatic problem. Oh and what was that problem with the 6spd in the IX MR? Ohhhhh ya they couldn't hold power. ROFL. For some reason the more gears the better and more excited people get. But for performance that is not always best as you gotta take the time to shift. Where a person could shift 5 gears while a auto could shift what 8? Who knows the exact details...but auto is faster and when on track the fewer the gears the better.

If fewer gears are better by your logic why not just go back to the days of 4 speed? That means very very little shifting? sure you might never be in boost but who gives a shit?? you save time shifting!!! I hear Mercedes is working on a 9 speed auto to counteract the 8 speed lexus auto. WHen will these guys ever quit?

love your signature

thanks man

I think that deer in the middle has a tattoo on his ankle that says THE BOAT.

You know what stop saying MR is gay in respect that some of our members own one.Paddle shifters are not gay it's their choice not yours. So if paddie is gay the whole F1 is gay too. At least mitshu is offering manual and paddie not unlike GTR.

MR=:ghey:
WHy do you think every other car company that makes reputable sports cars has a 6 speed on their cars(if they are smart enough to offer manual)?

Ever heard of the Buggatti Veyron? The fastest car in the world has an SST like transmission. That's good enough for me. The GT-R also has the same type of Transmission (another car that is killing 6-speed manuals around racetracks). The new Ferrari California has a twin-clutch transmission. And Oh yeah... Formula 1 cars (fastest race cars) also use a similar type of transmission. I guess Ferrari isn’t “reputable”?

A manually operated Clutch pedal is an archaic device. Sort of like “Chokes” and “points”. They hearken back to that time. I use my left foot for braking sometimes. My left leg doesn’t need to press in a clutch all the time in order for me to feel “involved”. I guess I’m different

TO me the only selling point of MR is that trannie is 6 speed even if it is a shitty DC that cant handle any torque! I think I'm detecting some bias here.

At Infineon and Thunderhill you are almost always in 3rd and 4th gear.Very few times I am in 5th gear and never do I run out of gear. I'm in a braking zone before I would ever need a 6th gear. And with the shorter gears I would have to shift more and be off throttle more. So staying in boost is about the same, if not less bc of the shifts between gears.
With the TC-SST there is no need to ever be off-throttle to shift. If keeping in the boost is your goal then the full-throttle upshifts and full-throttle downshifts would be a big benefit of the TC-SST.

If your engine has a very wide power band, then fewer gears will be best while if it has a narrower power band, then more gears is more better. A few variables to consider.

But you don't dispute my logic why 5spd is better on track. See above.

And it's not a SST problem it's an automatic problem. Huh??

I guess I’m different And you have a bad attitude too!:godance:

I would like a 6th gear, but no change in existing gear ratios. I just need a better highway gear.

I would like a 6th gear, but no change in existing gear ratios. I just need a better highway gear.

+ 1

And you have a bad attitude too!:godance:


And the guy I responded to doesn't? Why didn't you call him out?

I would like a 6th gear, but no change in existing gear ratios. I just need a better highway gear.

+1


And the reason we dont go back to 4 gears like the OP mouthed off about is because there is a fine balance between having too few, and too many gears. Having too few gears leaves the gearing too tall in order to maintain the daily drivability of the car. Having too many with shorter removes the performance on the track. 5 is just right for a performance orientated/daily driveable car. Having a taller 5th gear however would help with gas mileage on the freeway but depending on the gearing choice could impact performance since there is no real torque without being in boost and boost doesnt pick up early enough if you are lazily (daily driving) through the gears. It would bog down the 5th gear and cause you to give it more throttle and more fuel just to get it into a cruisable rpm.

I would like a 6th gear, but no change in existing gear ratios. I just need a better highway gear.

Best Post of Entire Thread lol.


I have had mulitple cars with 6 speed gear boxes. Everycar Ive ever had 6th gear was pretty much worthless except for high way cruising. The first 5 gear were similar to the GSRs now. Keep the RPMs in the power band then shift to 6th and go down highway a 2k-2.5k rpm at 80. I think the GSR gears are great for keeping the car on the boil, but it would be nice to have a true highway gear. That kinda goes against the Evo attitude though. Performance > comfort.



As far as GSR vs MR, its really tiresome to keep reading these post. Both interior suck you get cheap cloth or cheap leather, you get ugly fake carbon or ugly painted plastic. As for brakes and wheels not a great advantage both GSR stops a foot shorter in about every comparison a foot of braking not that big of a deal. Suspension almost everyone says MR is to squishy which is great for daily driving not for track. If you are really hardcore you will do some adjustable coilovers anyway for track use, so no advantage to either car there. I would replace either of the wheels with something more eye pleasing. Yes F1, GTR, etc have sst type clutches who cares. Some people still perfer to shift who cares. Both are fun great cars, both at some point will be modded to destroy super cars by incredible drivers on a track. I know there are some weekend warriors here, but no one is making a true living with there EVO other than the vendors. When it comes down to it after both cars are modded to the hilt and tweaked to perfection its going to come down to the driver, and I highly doubt many of us here can take either car to its full potential stock. Maybe you think you can, and more than likely if you think you can you probably can not.

schooled by dcasandman, THAT was best in thread!

I looked at both and test drove them both but wife said NO to no clutch :whipping:, she just enjoys the control and involvement more as do i, and in the end that's what your choice should be about. They're both terrific cars and have been tested to be very close to each other with both having pro's/con's so you're never going wrong either way.

Back on topic I agree the 6 speed would be nice purely because crusing on the interstate sticks you at 3k ~ 3.5k rpm and gives you a relatively crappy 200+ mile range before next fill-up. Yes, this is a performance car, but obviously the direction with the X was to make it more liveable so if they can do all that without sacrificing performance it's :+1:, so let's see what mitsu can do. The upside of the gearing though is I never have to downshift when I need to blow by someone on the highway

id rather be hitting my 60 in 2nd than 3rd like a 6sp. just takes that much more shifting to get it going. and im not sure why this would matter that much to you anyways..

id rather be hitting my 60 in 2nd than 3rd like a 6sp.

:amen:

If fewer gears are better by your logic why not just go back to the days of 4 speed? That means very very little shifting? sure you might never be in boost but who gives a shit?? you save time shifting!!! I hear Mercedes is working on a 9 speed auto to counteract the 8 speed lexus auto. WHen will these guys ever quit?

Man I must be old. I remember the days of the 3 speed MT on the column. :freak:

The IX MR did better because of better suspension and another bits im pretty sure the tranny didn't have anything to do with it.

Now go back to teh 9 and look how many 6sp and 5sp have broken.....

The GSR only needs a 6sp for lower cruising rpm and higher top end speed, that is all. All of you crying about a high rpm in the highway go buy a BMW or Lexus the evo is not a luxury car get over it.

There's a reason why the top companies in Japan that tune cars, use a GSR and not the MR.

@the boat (http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/member.php?u=1299) - You can dislike the SST all you want, but bashing it is another story. That's not our style here at evoxforums, so tone it down a notch.

PS - This should be in the Transmission section, not General (moving)

Regarding the issue itself - sure, a 6 speed is nice (especially for the highway), however keep in mind what happened to the 6-speed CT9As...the transmissions broke because they were weaker.

Due to past experience, I'd MUCH rather have one less gear and have a stronger trans to show for it.

And the guy I responded to doesn't? Why didn't you call him out? You're right! My bad.

And I remember chokes, starter circuits (on Weber carbs) and "points".

The CT9As 6 speed transmission's 4th gear poses a bit of a problem in comparison to the 5 speed units because the size of the gears are smaller and more gears took up more of the same sized case and didn't allow as much cooling. But in truth it was down to the people using it. A bit like the "clutch issue", when the car is driven improperly things will break.
(Dino beat me to it)

I don't think people are crying about it, it would be a nice convenience. I think most of us purchased the Evo due to its mix of convenience and performance. If I was only looking for performance with convenience thrown out the window. I would have purchased an Arial Atom (I'd be throwing the windows out as well in that case), LOL.

You can't fault people for wanting just a little more, heck that is why we have an aftermarket, to try and make it better! :godance:

^ LOL an atom. Go for it! Whats wrong with that as a DD. Then you would look just like your avatar on your morning commute.

Well, just like that + a starbucks mug giving the "whats up" head nod to folks staring at you with dislocated jaws.

^ LOL an atom. Go for it! Whats wrong with that as a DD. Then you would look just like your avatar on your morning commute.

Well, just like that + a starbucks mug giving the "whats up" head nod to folks staring at you with dislocated jaws.

Blahahahahahaha! I'm about to do that just for sh*ts and giggles! That would be classic!

Man I must be old. I remember the days of the 3 speed MT on the column. :freak:

Damn, whats a column shifter?? I think I read about them things in history books- I think it was the period after the dinosaurs went extinct?? Lol J/k- but damn- that's going waaay back into time. Was that 3sp on a delorean??

Ah another one of these threads..
:inout:

The IX MR did better because of better suspension and another bits im pretty sure the tranny didn't have anything to do with it.



There's a reason why the top companies in Japan that tune cars, use a GSR and not the MR.

Exactly. GSR is better car. I'm commenting on SST bc it isn't that paddle shifters make it less manly or something. Its that it is a less capable transmission when it comes to performance. It can't handle much power. If u wanna leave it stock and have slow evo i guess thats your perrogative but honestly why buy an evo if you wan't a (relatively) slow car? Sorry, im into high powered, good handling fast cars. Mistsu wasted time on sst for mr. The mr is a worst car then gsr in many ways. You are dumping losts of money on an underperforming finnicky expensive and unnecesary trannie. Sure it shifts faster if, especially if you suck at driving manual but that's it. i'm not saying all dual clutch is bad. I'm saying sst isn't a good dual clutch bc it isn't capable at least yet. Maybe in 10 years when it can handle more power, be cheapeer and more refined it would be worth it. For now its just an over priced marketing plow. Instead of brining real evo fans what they want with 6mt they wasted lots of money on sst just to sell evo more evos to ppl who wan't a watered down product.

Why not spend money devloping stronger 6mt. I'd way rather spend more money on a capable 6mt then for some sst that overheats and breaks down if you add more torque.

In wanting 6mt i wouldnt want an over drive gear just for cruising. 6mt could offer better ratios and higher top speed. Why not make 3 and 4 and 5th shorter and then add six as being in between 5th and an over drive six. that would be nice bc it would mean better accel in 3 4 5 and not sacrifice top speed or fuel economy much. Or knowing that ppl mod to get lots of power you could make them all a little taller and offer much higher top speed and highway cruising and ppl that do mod 4 high power would have a more appropriate trannie. Then MR would be tuner high power model and 5mt gsr would be for ppl that want a less powerful but equally capable evo!! or you could add 6th speed to gsr but makke it over drive for cruising and then have mr with 6mt with tall ratios for engine tuners. Or offer two ratios on 6 speed in either and have mr as more luxurios and gsr as stripper model.

Anything would be a better use of product development and money than sst. But mistu was in the red so they sold out and made mr so they could sell evo to ppl that would otherwise drive a lexus or some other yuppie status car. Sorry if I offend anyone but im dissapointed they watered down evo x over evo IX.

driving MR doesnt make you a bad person but i just feel like its a waste of money and you are paying only for the cool factor

i just feel like its a waste of money and you are paying only for the cool factorFrom reading your previous comments it looks like you've got that part backwards. If your so disappointed that mitsu "watered down the evo X" buy an evo IX. Sounds like the best option for you. Not only because you think it's a better car, it has a 6 speed gearbox on the MR, It isn't " :ghey: " like the X, and of course you obviously like bashing the X (a common trait most evo IX fanboys share).

I have to wonder if Mr Boat has actually diven an MR yet or if all of this hate comes from somewhere else. I have both an VIII and a X MR and I can really see the value of both types of Transmissions. And I enjoy both cars. They just have slightly different personalities. I guess I am a :ghey:for half the week and not the other half.

As far as the TCSST "breaking" we have not seen that happen that I know of. We have torque limitations on the software to protect the tranny, but no one really knows how much that tranny can take yet. With the right programming that tranny might be able to take 500 HP as it stands or maybe not. Too bad some people have to make snap judgements before all the evidence is in.

perrogative - unnecesary - cheapeer - devloping - makke

I usually don't call people out on spelling but damn dude.

Your post seems all over the place, and the current gear ratios on the 5 speed are perfect, they don't need to be closer.

Just curious do you own either one of them? Or have you even driven one?

And what exactley about the Evo X is watered down? I have more than a few CT9A owners in my local forum that would disagree with you on that one.

Yeah, seems your reading comprehension is about as atrocious as your spelling.

Everyone has said it before, a 6 speed with shorter gears means you have to shift more. More shifting means less time on the throttle. Less time on the throttle means slower lap times. Show me a road course where you hit the top speed of the car in the US and end up needing another gear.

No really.. go ahead... im waiting

Wow. More shifting does have to occur yes, but the closer gearing will mean much more pull. THat will make up alot of time too. On straight aways shorter higher gears will mean much faster acceleration. Trade off man. Like I said before, shifting isn't necesairlily bad. If shifting was so terrible then it would be better to have a 4 speed!

i want an 18 speed like my bicycle.

Thats got to be better! Right?

LOL... @ your anti MR comments... I bet you anything an MR stock will run circles around you in your GSR even if it had a turboback + tune... think about it... in a mile long course how many times do you shift? they add up... And the MR shifts are GTR-esq (almost better...)... so what.. the GTR is a bad car now? Not to mention the MR technology is new... wait till upgraded clutch packs come out and MR's will be running circles around GSR's...

Damn, whats a column shifter?? I think I read about them things in history books- I think it was the period after the dinosaurs went extinct?? Lol J/k- but damn- that's going waaay back into time. Was that 3sp on a delorean??

:D:D:D:D Now just to make things clear, I was too young to drive at that time and yes dinosaurs had just recently become extinct!!:D:D:D

it would of been nice to have 6th gears... I kinda miss it...my 350Z had it :(

Wow. More shifting does have to occur yes, but the closer gearing will mean much more pull. THat will make up alot of time too. On straight aways shorter higher gears will mean much faster acceleration. Trade off man. Like I said before, shifting isn't necesairlily bad. If shifting was so terrible then it would be better to have a 4 speed!

Here I go feeding the troll....

How do you figure that on a straight away, where you end up out of the powerband more often... you go faster with more gears? With the gearing the way it is on the 5 speed with taller gears, you get to hit the spool up point and keep in the power for longer. On shorter gears you will burn through the powerband faster ending up having to shift more often.... thusly you are going to be dumping boost and building it back up again.

Im glad you think all of your years behind the wheel of your playstation make you think that you are an expert and all cars should have a "quick tune" option.... but learn some real world stuff first hand before you spout off about it.

Troll feeding? LOL never heard that before...

Get out from under the damn bridge James Bond! :-P

Yeah... i really should lol

Wow. More shifting does have to occur yes, but the closer gearing will mean much more pull. THat will make up alot of time too. On straight aways shorter higher gears will mean much faster acceleration. Trade off man. Like I said before, shifting isn't necesairlily bad. If shifting was so terrible then it would be better to have a 4 speed!

yes but again you are missing the point. Have you looked at the gear ratio's for the GSR? They are pretty close.

I don't know though if I agree with the argument that having six gears means you have to shift more which means less time on the gas which means slower lap times. That's a bit of twisted logic. What determine's when you have to shift is the gear ratio's more then it is the number of gears.

The gsr's 5 speed is built with performance in mind and has arguably better gear ratios then those 6 speeds you are praising. Also, from a performance standpoint, those 6 speeds actually have 7 gears inside the same size transmission case (including reverse) as opposed to the gsr which has a trick mashing of first and third to generate reverse. So yet again, the GSR's 5 speed is better for performance because it has a more robust transmission.

yes but again you are missing the point. Have you looked at the gear ratio's for the GSR? They are pretty close.

I don't know though if I agree with the argument that having six gears means you have to shift more which means less time on the gas which means slower lap times. That's a bit of twisted logic. What determine's when you have to shift is the gear ratio's more then it is the number of gears.

...and BINGO was his name-o.

Final thought of the thread:

The OP's rant does raise ONE good point though - The SST trans can't currently hold as much torque as the 5MT. But we already knew that.

:deadhorse:

As for a 6MT, as mentioned previously, if they simply kept the 1-5 ratios we already have and then just add a tall 6th, it would be nicer for the highway and save fuel. Yay.

Besides that, this thread is just going in circles...

locked.