"It didn't take long for Japan's journalists to get the new STI and EVO X side by side, and the results are now officially in. Tsukuba circuit regulars Kazuo Shimizu and Manabu Kawaguchi spent an afternoon thrashing around the notoriously twisty short circuit just north of Tokyo and here (drum roll please) are the best times they could ring out of the AWD rivals:

Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X : 1:06:46

Subaru Impreza WRX STI : 1:05:95

So there you have it. The new engine placed further forward in the engine bay of the EVO X than in the EVO IX has indeed proven to be a handicap, while the STI's "wheel at each corner" longer wheelbase plus new double wishbone rear suspension has proved its worth.

Neither car is quite as quick as its immediate ancestor though. Check out this 15 year rivalry of the EVO vs the STI as recorded at Tsukuba:

EVO / STI

2006 1:05:07 / 1:04:72

2005 1:04.88 / 1:04:17

2003 1:05:30 / 1:04:69

2001 1:05:17 / 1:06:56

1998 1:04:69 / 1:06:73

1996 1:07:00 / 1:05:92

1994 1:06:52 / 1:06:26

1992 1:10:90 / 1:07:99

[Source: CAR Top magazine]"

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/05/evo-x-vs-sti-tsukuba-lap-times/

Well, there you have it folks.

I am actually surprised at the time gap between the 2 even though STI has a 200-300lb advantage.

I assume they used the GSR.

I'm sorry but .5 seconds is not enough to make the Evo a worst car or the STi the clear winner. Personally, with a test like that I call these cars even. Half a second can be chalk up to driver error or many other things. People need to stop acting like these numbers are written in stone just cause thats the lowest SOMEONE ELSE could put down. Doesn't matter if they are professial or not they're still human which makes them fowlible.

I'm sorry but .5 seconds is not enough to make the Evo a worst car or the STi the clear winner. Personally, with a test like that I call these cars even. Half a second can be chalk up to driver error or many other things. People need to stop acting like these numbers are written in stone just cause thats the lowest SOMEONE ELSE could put down. Doesn't matter if they are professial or not they're still human which makes them fowlible.

People are just angry because its slower than the 9, and most people who complain are 9 owners anyways.

It might be a lil slow but .5 seconds isn't alot. People are disappointed like the car took a giant leap backwards. there's nothing wrong with X, both cars have there strengths and weaknesses. I was going to buy the IX SE but I like the X more. People are only listening to the things they want to, I just got finish reading this discussion on EvoM and some idiot was talking smack til someone pointed out that the IX was slower then the 06 Sti in the above comparison then he didn't believe anything on the list... from what I can tell EvoM is filled with a bunch of cry babies.

yeah there are more vocal X haters over there from what i can tell

most are praising how the 9 is faster than the X, yet as the above lap times show (evo 5 being faster than the 7-9), they act like their shit dont stink

Exactly! They act like only what they think is right. The car was voted most fun to drive but no one mentions that. The car got praised by some of the biggest names in car review but no one mentions that. And the constant "the Evo is going away from it's roots" is bull! It was never a drag car. 0 -60 was never it's goal. Most of the people one there aren't even old enough to know what it's roots are. All they wanna do is race from one light to the next.

Most of the hater on EvoM are hardcore trackers and street racers anyways. I am disappointed in the Evo X's performance too, but I am looking at the whole package, not just the performance aspect, I won't be going to autoX every weekend or race every car I see on the road. BUT if i were to go autoX and street race every car I see, I would definitely get a 9.

And the way I look at it, only the straight line performance went backwards, everything else including safety, looks, interior, and CORNER improved, so I don't see this as a step back for the X.

I am glad we don't have those whinny b1tches from EvoM; it would totally ruin this forum.

^ I agree fuck evom

Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution X : 1:06:46

Subaru Impreza WRX STI : 1:05:95

Half a second difference. Not bad considering the Evo's inferior power:weight ratio.

I'm guessing it outhandles the STi.

So there you have it. The new engine placed further forward in the engine bay of the EVO X than in the EVO IX has indeed proven to be a handicap,

Huh? How on earth is that "proven"? They changed 9000 things about the X...what makes them assume that the engine placement is the culprit? Morons.

Clearly, it's not the extra few hundred pounds that's doing it. It's that the (lighter) engine is 2" forward of where it normally is. That's what killed it.

/sarcasm.

while the STI's "wheel at each corner" longer wheelbase plus new double wishbone rear suspension has proved its worth.

Neither car is quite as quick as its immediate ancestor though.

In the case of the STi, the last sentence negates the sentence immediately preceding it. Wow, these guys are mental scholars.

I am actually surprised at the time gap between the 2 even though STI has a 200-300lb advantage.

You and me both. I guess S-AWC is playing it's part?

I'm sorry but .5 seconds is not enough to make the Evo a worst car or the STi the clear winner.

Agreed. Besides that, one simple mod could easily make up that time difference.

It might be a lil slow but .5 seconds isn't alot. People are disappointed like the car took a giant leap backwards. there's nothing wrong with X, both cars have there strengths and weaknesses. I was going to buy the IX SE but I like the X more. People are only listening to the things they want to, I just got finish reading this discussion on EvoM and some idiot was talking smack til someone pointed out that the IX was slower then the 06 Sti in the above comparison then he didn't believe anything on the list... from what I can tell EvoM is filled with a bunch of cry babies.


LMAO. Amen to that. That's why I'm glad the guys here aren't crybabies about everything. If you know any evom guys who are sick of the general attitude over on evom, be sure to point them this way.

The admin should go to evom and invite the cool people :D

Im so glad that im not the only one tired of the haters on EvoM. Really, its not that the majority of Evo owners hate the X, its that the 15 or so that do, post in every single post about the X several times, giving that illusion. They burt out sentences like "the Evo X is the worst car ever made. Its so slow, Mitsu failed!!" Yet both EvoXs where fractions of a second behind the IX on the track, and even beat it on the twisty course. So in the end, Its fractions behind the IX, but better handling, better looking, safer, and more livable when im not at the track?? Im sold!

More on topic: as the history shows, STi has always beaten the Evo on that track. Whats great to see is how close it is. STI is basiclly working off of old technology. The potential and limits of that format can be predicted. The EvoX on the other hand is all brand new, and to me that is exciting. If its that close in the stock form, what can it really do?? if this was the IX, we would all know because its all been done. But those who get the X will be pioneers and part of this Evo's deveolpment. That is the essance of tuning, jumping into the unknown and trying something that has never been done to see what the car can do.

The admin should go to evom and invite the cool people :D

Already have...but I'm only one man, so help a brotha out!

Im so glad that im not the only one tired of the haters on EvoM. Really, its not that the majority of Evo owners hate the X, its that the 15 or so that do, post in every single post about the X several times, giving that illusion. They burt out sentences like "the Evo X is the worst car ever made. Its so slow, Mitsu failed!!" Yet both EvoXs where fractions of a second behind the IX on the track, and even beat it on the twisty course. So in the end, Its fractions behind the IX, but better handling, better looking, safer, and more livable when im not at the track?? Im sold!

More on topic: as the history shows, STi has always beaten the Evo on that track. Whats great to see is how close it is. STI is basiclly working off of old technology. The potential and limits of that format can be predicted. The EvoX on the other hand is all brand new, and to me that is exciting. If its that close in the stock form, what can it really do?? if this was the IX, we would all know because its all been done. But those who get the X will be pioneers and part of this Evo's deveolpment. That is the essance of tuning, jumping into the unknown and trying something that has never been done to see what the car can do.

Agreed, out of the all the forums I visit daily, I have to say EvoM has the most hate. Even when the G37 came out, which honestly was another disappointment to some, G35 owners didn't bash it nearly as much as X gets bashed on EvoM. People simply went ahead and bought another car, they didn't stay on the forum whining and crying about what an disappointment it was...

I guess the past evo craters around a younger crowd, that is why there are so much hatred...hahaha

No one seem to point out that Evo X is riding on everything NEW, from top to bottom (I guess except for the AWD system?) while the STI is an improved (subjective) version of the last gen STI. So if you think about it, STI only really had one thing to improve on, the looks, and they still fuked up on that.

Oh ya, the insurance of the X should be lower than the 9 because the X should have a higher safety rating.

Never thought about the insurance being lower. I hope you're right.

Rosshole, can you confirm?

the evo x as a whole i think the car is better, and i think that's what mitsu was trying to accomplish. to make the car sell to a wider audience as well. and your weekend warriors.

EVO / STI

2006 1:05:07 / 1:04:72

2005 1:04.88 / 1:04:17

2003 1:05:30 / 1:04:69

So let's take a statistical analysis of this as well as some real-time matchups that I've been to. According to the Tsukuba records, in each of those years, the Evo was beaten by it's STi counterpart. On the average, by about the same half second as seen in the 2008 results. OK cool. Noted.

Each year at Englishtown Raceway Park, we have an Evo vs. STi event on both the dragstrip and autocross. From the pool of ALL the STi and Evo there, 16 of the quickest were chosen for the final 16 car single elimination tournament. Only 1 STi made it to that quick 16 and that was Big Valley's STi from Puerto Rico (yes, they came that far to race. Really dedicated guys Gadiel has.). If anyone knows Gadiel's STi, then you know a man who spent A LOT of money getting that car fast. My point is that not 1 STi made it to the quick 16. They were all eliminated by closely matched up Evos.

Think of it this way. Do you measure your junk on the top or on the bottom, because you'll get two different numbers. By this comparison it seems that every year the STi has the bigger cock, but come race-time it gets fucked by the Evo like the dirty (now add: increidbly ugly) whore it is.

I heard some wise words once: You can take a beautiful girl who didn't score so well on her SATs or her physical fitness exam can easily find a horny benefactor to teach her how to be smarter and train her how to be stronger. Not only will she be beautiful, she'll have the mental and physical power to back it up and be coveted by all. An ugly girl who is at her peak of intelligence and strength has already reached her ceiling. Continued exercise and study will not get her any further in life and she's so ugly nobody would be willing to pay the vast amount of money a plastic surgeon would demand to make her even slightly attractive. So today she might be able to lift more than a supermodel and add better than a supermodel, but she'll always be an ugly underachieving bitch who will watch as her dumb/weak counterpart flies past her tomorrow.

History has this funny way of repeating itself.

Oh, and this is what happens to that ugly bitch when she tries to go to cram school:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y263/kmxxbadboy/My%20Garage/STI.jpg

I gotta say I am satisfy with that result. With a little bit of tuning I am sure that the X can become a hell lot faster.

Even though the new engine might not be as "tuner friendly" as the old 4G63 (since the new one is made of aluminium), Since the engine is flipped around with the turbo at the back, the weight in the car would be more balanced.

There's alot of after-market potential in this car, I can smell it.

like i always say "you can say the STI is better if your ok with being a homo!"

from ryan d. wade avide subaru hater
you got that "subi" kiss my ass


hate hate hate......hate

Perhaps I'm missing something (I usually do) but that would be a Japan spec STI. Likewise what variants of STI's were the previous track results from?

We will still have to see how the US spec cars do over here with 93 octane gas and matching rubber.

I don't trust anything that fails due to gravity.

I also don't trust engines that tick off the dealer lot.

Either way we need to face facts here, obviously the most well rounded performance vehicle out there is the Caliber SRT4. I mean, it's a turbo sport-ute!

:uzi:obviously the most well rounded performance vehicle out there is the Caliber SRT4
:ban:

I don't trust anything that fails due to gravity.

I also don't trust engines that tick off the dealer lot.

Either way we need to face facts here, obviously the most well rounded performance vehicle out there is the Caliber SRT4. I mean, it's a turbo sport-ute!
:bggay:I hope you are joking.

Of course I am. The caliber SRT4 is the Porsche Cayenne for morons.

We will still have to see how the US spec cars do over here with 93 octane gas and matching rubber.Please excuse my international ingnorance, but surely you can get better than 93RON gas over there in the States. In Oz we get up to 100 (Shell VPower Racing) at the pump and there are rumours Shell is releasing a 110 (one hundred and TEN) RON fuel here in 08.

Please excuse my international ingnorance, but surely you can get better than 93RON gas over there in the States. In Oz we get up to 100 (Shell VPower Racing) at the pump and there are rumours Shell is releasing a 110 (one hundred and TEN) RON fuel here in 08.

wow! you aussie gets freakin' racing gas from the pump! lol

At any rate, in US it is rather hard to find 93, I believe, and it also depends on the state you live in.

Im happy everything around me offers 93... but yea... that's the best we've got.

hey can someone tell me when is the new lancer evo x coming out to united states ... cause i heard that it was on january is this true?????

hey can someone tell me when is the new lancer evo x coming out to united states ... cause i heard that it was on january is this true?????

Late Jan/early Feb for the GSR.
Late Feb/March for the MR.

I think in the US we use the PON rating system rather than RON, so 95RON over in Europe / Aus is actually the equivalent of 91 Pump Octane in the US.

People are just angry because its slower than the 9, and most people who complain are 9 owners anyways.


NO.....they are just mad because they bought there 9's.........and then the Evo X was annouced to comes out, and they're like............"WTF!!!!!, my mom and dad can buy me another car,DAMN." Yes I come from Evom forum, and I do not hate the ten. The people that drive 9's that hate the Evo X just don't understand that the car is called "EVOLUTION" for a reason. I lover my 8, but I can afford to get another evo; even though if I had the funds I would.

NO.....they are just mad because they bought there 9's.........and then the Evo X was annouced to comes out, and they're like............"WTF!!!!!, my mom and dad can buy me another car,DAMN." Yes I come from Evom forum, and I do not hate the ten. The people that drive 9's that hate the Evo X just don't understand that the car is called "EVOLUTION" for a reason. I lover my 8, but I can afford to get another evo; even though if I had the funds I would.

I am glad you are a evo 8 owner that doesn't hate the X. Well, you don't have to like it by any means, just don't bash it like the 9 owners do =/

I am glad you are a evo 8 owner that doesn't hate the X. Well, you don't have to like it by any means, just don't bash it like the 9 owners do =/


I'm not bashing it. I think the Evo X is the nices looking Evo thats going to be out in the market to date, the car hasn't even come out yet, and I know that everyone @ Evom hates it but I fought in defence of it. I love all cars....... i'm an enthusiest (sorry for spelling ), and I like the new GTR thats coming out too.

I'm not bashing it. I think the Evo X is the nices looking Evo thats going to be out in the market to date, the car hasn't even come out yet, and I know that everyone @ Evom hates it but I fought in defence of it. I love all cars....... i'm an enthusiest (sorry for spelling ), and I like the new GTR thats coming out too.

+1

I,too, am a car enthusiast, I am loyal to no brands, just like how i am switching from an infiniti over to mitsubishi, I only buy cars that suits my needs well.

Evo x haters calls us evo "lovers", but in fact we are just car lovers.

Sometime i feel 9 owners just bought their cars and mod the fuk out of them to 'pwn' cars on the road.