rumors are that the BMW 135i, which will have the same engine as the 335i, will be coming out in 2008 with 300hp in a coupe. in the 335i people are making 100hp gains with just a tune (who knows if the 135 will have the same turbos though). they also should both be priced in the mid-30s. so which would you buy?

Meh i'd never buy a bmw```

IMO, X all the way. It's a purpose built balls out funbox. And BMW styling isn't as nice as it used to be.

That said, I prefer the TT v6 engine.

EVO X!

the 1-series is so painful to look at, even in 5 door hatch form

shoehorning a 335 engine into a 1-series does not a performance car make.

what if it's an M 1-series with the 335 engine? they just won't call it the M1. not a luxury car with a nice engine but a truly sporty car with a nice engine.

can't say i'm thrilled with the looks of the 1 series coupe but i've seen worse, and with some bigger wheels i think it'll look a lot better
http://images7.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070605.001/6070605.001.mini3L.jpg

http://images7.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos/6070605.001/6070605.001.mini2L.jpg

^Yoda owns this thread.

That roof line is BAD... that thing is hideous no chance I'd buy that over the X.

Mmm.. Infiniti M class.. :D
http://www.infiniti.com/m/photos/exterior_photos.html

^Little too chunky for my tastes.

^Little too chunky for my tastes.
G-35??

G 35 is nice.

G 35 is nice.:D

Evo X!

at first i was going to say X hands down... but after seeing the pictures... 135 might be doable... but remember its a stripped down economy bimmer... with cloth seats and A lot of noise gets through into the cabin.

different kicks for different pricks ;) but seriously an AWD X is a track beast and an 135i with NO LSD is a street performance car.

and I just started romping on my 335i... girfriend was actually scared lol... that never happened in the G

ppp

edit: and actually G37 FTW at that price point... but again its a different market. and its between X and 135i

The 135i is based on the e46 3-series platform but somehow they managed to make it look totally shitty in the transformation.

At the base price (not the 300hp variant) of $25,000, I'd say it might be a decent value (still 200something HP), but at $35,000 (price for the 135i) I'd look elsewhere, and by elsewhere I mean right at an e46 330ci *drools*. actually I'd have a hard as hell time deciding between a lightly used e46 330ci and the Evo X.. very different cars, but both would make me very happy inside.

The only BMW I'd consider would be the M3. But I prefer the e46.

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http://www.germancarfans.com/spyphotos/6041118.001/6041118.001.Mini3L.jpg

True story.

I would take a new G35 over the bimmer.. and the X over the G35 just cuz thats what I think will be the most bang for the buck.. I think moding X will be easier too..

Just a side note, they wouldn't call it an M1...that's already been made.

http://www.ssip.net/upload/bmw-m1-side-1_115.jpg

Love the E46 M3. The Laguna blue is also hot. Besides the X, I'm gonna make that my goal to own.

Since the 1-series is on the E46 chassis, why get the big bunch of ugly (135) when you can get sex on wheels (330ci)?

Even a sedan is much nicer looking than the 135. My buddy Brian has a 330xi that's an absolute blast to drive. He's looking into the Dinan stage 1 suspension for it next. That's gonna make it even more fun.

rumors are that the BMW 135i, which will have the same engine as the 335i, will be coming out in 2008 with 300hp in a coupe. in the 335i people are making 100hp gains with just a tune (who knows if the 135 will have the same turbos though). they also should both be priced in the mid-30s. so which would you buy?

It all depends on what you looking for in a car...if it's outright performance - Evo hands down !

As for looks, that's each to their own, for me the Evo 10 looks better too.

In terms of interior kit and quality of finish, I think the Beemer may be better, but you certainly pay for it (at least we do here in Aust.)

I'd definitely go for the Evo 10, because it'll still have the better o/a performance, especially handling, cornerring and braking, no Beemer will come close on that front :)

The 135i 'might' match it in a straight line (stock vs stock) but add a wet or loose road surface to the equation and the Evo again will be far superior :)

In all past Evo models, high hp gains with just a tune have also been simple to do ! given time after their release I'm sure the '10' will be the same, I'm also sure (to answer the question above) that the 335i and 135i share exactly the same engine and as a side note, I think it is a beautiful twin turbo powerplant, with impressive numbers everywhere, it certainly outshines the older n/a IL 6 in the previous model M3's and Z4's.

For me the final deciding factor is that for us here in Aust. the 135i will definitely cost alot more than the Evo 10...

Mitsu= paying for performance
BMW= paying for the name... the bmw should be prices less than what it is

Mitsu= paying for performance
BMW= paying for the name... the bmw should be prices less than what it is

Yes you pay more for BMW however they are a great car to drive I have had two and as far as a car goes they are one of the best out there.. Now if we are talking speed and performance it is not the case with most of them, but for all around driving BMW is one of the best out there.. For the record I am going to get a EVO X not cause I dislike my 325 I just wanna go alot faster than that car can go.. particularly acceleration.

X for me

The 135i is a vile looking little porker. I'd go with the 335i over the "one". OTOH, I'm gonna wait out the "X" as I do like its looks, it should have a similar price point but have great all weather capability. Now the question is whether or not the X will manage to match or exceed the earlier gens.

But I will also be cross shopping the Audi A5 and there's the remote chance that the next STI won't be as ugly as we expect.

there's the remote chance that the next STI won't be as ugly as we expect.

That's a very, very good point:)

The more I see of the new '08 Sti, the more I like it, recent pics of it are IMHO very appealing indeed, it certainly looks 10 times better than the standard new Wrx hatch or sedan (we won't get the sedan here in Aust. anyway)

Don't know about the U.S but for the Aust. market, the new Sti will have the 2.5ltr boxer engine and according to reports be rated at 225kw and 430nm stock, that's a great starting point, the tuning potential is awesome and the 2.5ltr boxer is capable of very high power and torque outputs (I've driven one here with 315kw and 615nm, '05 model) all I can say is WOW and very scary until you adjust to the super quick acceleration and it was still docile and well behaved enough to use as a daily driver :)

It'll be very interesting to see the final result, I'll just wait and decide from there :)

The new evo X will trash the new sti which is so ugly it makes ugly look good

I'm going to chime in for the defense of the new STI

A. Better price point
B. I like the look better the lancer. Let's not confuse the concept with whats on the road right now. There's a lot of room for improvement.
C. The new Lancer is HUGE, at least imo, It's the reason I don't like the mazdaspeed6 they're boats.

As far as BMW goes... I'd rather pay for luxury and add my own performance but that means I'd buy Lexus IS250 and boost it.

THe new STi are ugly as ugly can get,:tmyk: the 07 sti which hurts to look at is a better looking ride than the 08 which will only be a hatch..

THe new STi are ugly as ugly can get, the 07 sti which hurts to look at is a better looking ride than the 08 which will only be a hatch..

At this point we really don't know how the final draft for the new STI will turn out. It is possible that FHI will manage to make a silk purse out of the new Impreza (just call me an optimist:)

As an interesting side note, I've always been impressed by the Evo. I work at a hospital about 15 to 20 miles from the one Mitsu dealer that had a couple of left over IX MRs. I had a struggle to resist a drive 'cause I might have made the switch, which seems unwise with the gen "X" nearly out of the oven. Anyhow both of the MRs were bought by nurses where I work. What are the odds of that? One gal is even what one would describe as "mature" and hardly in the usual Evo demographics.

Pics of said nurses? :)

Pics of said nurses? :)

Yah... you wish :) Both are married and the younger one is not only beautiful but she has a smile that is totally disarming. Anyhow, neither seem to fall into what we would expect to be Evo demographics. I do intend to suck up to them on the hopes that one of them will toss me the keys...

Haha, sounds good.

(i still want pics though)

:-P

Haha, sounds good.

(i still want pics though)

:-P

+1

+1

Rootstown!?!?... you live about a beer can toss from me (Stow). I work at the local hospital. By this time next year I will have either a A5 or a Evo or have been lost at sea in my kayak...

Rootstown!?!?... you live about a beer can toss from me (Stow). I work at the local hospital. By this time next year I will have either a A5 or a Evo or have been lost at sea in my kayak...

Hahaha, what are the odds eh? Yeah, I live 4 houses from the Dusty Armadillo...

One thing to say..It will be ugly if it is built off of the current body style check out link: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1249090

The link above shows the 'basic' Wrx hatch, not the Sti...but as always it's each to their own, when it comes to aesthetics :)

I too don't like the new basic Wrx hatch, but when I viewed the new Sti, I thought the opposite.

Believe me the Sti looks much better than that, the only part of it I don't like are the tail lights, it has nice large pumped guards, wider wheel track, quad tail pipes and a much nicer front bar than the basic hatch.

I'll have to put some pics up, that we have on some of our car magazines in Aust. :)

:bggay: my opinion of new wrx look (sti will not look much better) :uzi: what I would like to do to the person who designed it.. But hey thats just my opinion..

The link above shows the 'basic' Wrx hatch, not the Sti...but as always it's each to their own, when it comes to aesthetics :)

I too don't like the new basic Wrx hatch, but when I viewed the new Sti, I thought the opposite.

Believe me the Sti looks much better than that, the only part of it I don't like are the tail lights, it has nice large pumped guards, wider wheel track, quad tail pipes and a much nicer front bar than the basic hatch.

I'll have to put some pics up, that we have on some of our car magazines in Aust. :)

Agreed and at 29k I may own one.

Yes, Mr Win, that's pretty much the same with me too :)

I still prefer the Evo X hands down, BUT, if the new Sti does look as good as some of the latest pics I've seen and if it's going to be priced alot less than the X on the Aust. market, then I may own one myself :)

As previously mentioned the tunability of these is awesome and some very serious performance can be obtained from them with little in the way of effort and money outlay :)

Wraith you should post those pics I am interested to see the difference between the two (Wrx & STi)

Unless you know someone I highly doubt that you are gonna get a new STi for under 32k (US).. But what do I know..:tmyk:

Wraith you should post those pics I am interested to see the difference between the two (Wrx & STi)

Here you go guys - not the best pic, but a recent pic of what the new Sti will look like :)

You'll have to use some imagination and picture it without the Subaru rally paint job, in plain white, blue or red, I think it'll look very neat :)

I'm not a fan of huge wings or spoilers, but the one pictured there looks not bad and they say it will be available as an optional extra, the standard rear wing will be a smaller neater upper mounted item.

The pumped guards and dual or quad rear exhaust add some dimemnsion compared to the basic Wrx hatch :)

Optioned up with some fog/driving lights up front, it should look nice and finished.

Price wise, it should be alot cheaper than the new Evo X as well :)

We'll just have to wait till it's released and pass final judgement then :)

http://i3.tinypic.com/4yhi33t.jpg

that wing.. from behind.. would look disgusting.

plus that's a whole lot of rally car type stuff. could one actually get away with a front bumper support that teeny in the states?

Yes the street car won't feature that spoiler or the additional vents up the top...

It's on the optional extras list for those that would want it...

I've seen it from behind, it actually looks not bad, from reports I've read, there are a few people who've seen these new rexes in the metal and most did say they look far better in real life than any of the pics :)

For myself, I still prefer the Evo 10, but here in Aust. rumour is that the new Sti will be similarily priced to the outgoing model, which will make it alot cheaper than the rumoured Evo 10 pricing, hence why I'm keeping an eye on this car :)

Yes, Mr Win, that's pretty much the same with me too :)

I still prefer the Evo X hands down, BUT, if the new Sti does look as good as some of the latest pics I've seen and if it's going to be priced alot less than the X on the Aust. market, then I may own one myself :)

As previously mentioned the tunability of these is awesome and some very serious performance can be obtained from them with little in the way of effort and money outlay :)

If tunability is what you're after, then traditionally Evos are the way to go.

Price wise, it should be alot cheaper than the new Evo X as well :)

What makes you say this exactly?

Historically (in the US), Evos and STis have been priced about the same. Unless of course you count the Evo RS, which are kind of stripped but cheaper.

If tunability is what you're after, then traditionally Evos are the way to go.

Here in Aust. it's 'about' the same, but there does seem to be more people/performance shops doing the subies than the Evos :)

What makes you say this exactly?

Historically (in the US), Evos and STis have been priced about the same. Unless of course you count the Evo RS, which are kind of stripped but cheaper.

Once again, speaking with regards to the Aust. market, except for the last Evo 9, all previous models were priced way more than the equivalent model Sti...

Just going by the lastest info here, the new basic Wrx hatch will be priced at under 40k, that's actually cheaper than the outgoing model here in Aust.

Speculation on the new ralliart Lancer, the new 'middle model' has been put at 42-43k.

One thing to remember is that the new Sti dosn't have a total ground up everything new done to it as the new Evo, basically the engine and drive train will carry through from the previous model (at least the Aust. spec version is like that) and at this stage there's no mention of an SST like trans option on the Subies.

Going by the above and from speculation I've read, I'm assuming that the new Sti here in Aust. will be priced lower than the Evo 10, only time will tell.

Real Sti picture for evreyone not quad exahuast but no roof scoop or wing must say that one looks cool but it will not be what we can get and besides Evo are easier to tune STi=UGLY here is link :tmyk: that picture you posted is a concept picture in the link it is nis comparasion between the two cars EVO= tuff STi=chick car

oops forgot link http://blogs.edmunds.com/Straightline/2270

Now I'm a little confused lol, that pic in the link is actually a concept pic from some time back :confused:

The pic I put up is in a current edition Aust. car mag as being 'nearly' 100% representative of 'our' new Sti (ie: the Australian market), it may or may not be the same for other markets and it may or may not be accurate, only time will tell :)

Like I've stated earlier, my interest is due to an expected lower purchase price here in Aust. than the Evo and over here the tuning for these is very ubiquitous and I think it looks ok, ie: if it's like those pics above :)

If I can stretch the budget, the Evo is definitely 1st choice, but if not the new Sti might have to do ??

All will be known in due time :)

What makes you say this exactly?

Historically (in the US), Evos and STis have been priced about the same. Unless of course you count the Evo RS, which are kind of stripped but cheaper.

In the states you can't get an STi (current model) for under 30k but you can get the evo for just under 30k (the RS.. which from all the reviews I've read performs nearly as well as the MR but without any of the luxuries like A/C and a radio, plus without a lot of the nice performance-enhancing tech --but it's light enough that it still performs really well) Though the Evo X is a more substantial car (thus raising the price), the STi is too (on the legacy platform now). only time will tell I guess

http://www.subie.tv/index.php/article/2008_subaru_sti_images_appear_in_japanese_magazine/

Sorry put the wrong link in from my favorites last time I am a idiot.. anyway scroll down page this is what the STi is gonna looj like :jedi:

also kinda funny this went from EVO vs a BMW to what STi will look like and cost just find that kinda funny.. intercool placement on STi is another reason why I am not a big fan.. now its time for :hitit:

http://www.subie.tv/index.php/article/2008_subaru_sti_images_appear_in_japanese_magazine/

Sorry put the wrong link in from my favorites last time I am a idiot.. anyway scroll down page this is what the STi is gonna looj like :jedi:

Thanks for that, I must say, I still like it, side on it looks very nice IMHO :)

Oh and threads usually do start one way and end up another, appologies for my part in going off topic :)

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I didnt care thought it was just funny no appologies needed:afro: I played a slightly small :) part in it too...

EVO-X is the best all of the choices discussed.. :popcorn:

But hey somtimes.... :imstupid:

Oh yeah and the reason for my post.. I must say I do like the quad exhaust... But I am wondering if they still put intercooler on top of the engine.. I dont like personally

Yes, with the air intake still on top of the bonnet, the IC is still located up top of the engine.....

It seems to be the IC location of choice for Mazda too.

I for some reason really dont like it placed there I think they are more effective in the front of the car.. also I have heard that the do not have a blow off valve.. you know if that is true?

If I were to get a new bimmer I would prolly go with the new 335xi very nice and car cruise control that has radar to match speeds with car in front of you.. Talk about useless stuff that nobody needs but I might have to have.. 300hp 0-60 in 5.1 Range thats not to shabby the cost is an oucher though....

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I for some reason really dont like it placed there I think they are more effective in the front of the car.. also I have heard that the do not have a blow off valve.. you know if that is true?

As far as I know, all modern turbo charged forced induction engines are fitted with a blow off valve (BOV).

They are of the 'recirculating' type as opposed to 'atmospheric' which simply means they re-circulate the air back into the system, so they are therefore quiet and not very audible.

If these new models don't have a BOV as you've mentioned above, they must be using some new type of system, but nothing I know about....

My friend was telling me that about the BOV but I have yet to see a new sti so I really dont know.. Sounded fishy to me when he was sayin it though..

My STI pricing is going by a Car and Driver article. I definitely don't want to own a stripped down version of any car... comfort is key.

You guys are speaking about a BPV (Bypass Value) it recirculates the air back into the system. I would be VERY surprised if any factory turbo vehicles didn't have one.