HKS Kansai has posted the specs for their demo SST Evo X they been fooling around with for the past few days.
Max: 382.3 horse power, 48.9kg torque
Main Parts used:
HKS Carbon Air Ducts
HKS Racing Suction
HKS Intercooler Piping
HKS Legal Max Premium muffler
HKS Front & Center Exhaust Piping
HKS Catalytic Converter
HKS Camp 2
HKS EVC V
HKS F-CON IS
HKS HyperMax III suspension
and other misc parts

http://www.hkskansai.co.jp/html/democar/mitsubishi/evo10.htm

god dayam, so the sst is truly modable. fck yes!!

376hp 353tq! not bad at all

:):):) Goood News

i wonder if the "other misc parts" included fuel pump and injectors.

Im sold!
http://www.hkskansai.co.jp/html/democar/mitsubishi/evo10.jpg

Gotta love the HKS F-Con series of engine management.

So let me get this straight, they're making that much power on just an intake, intercooler piping (which does next to nothing) exhaust, and tune via piggy back? Piggy backs are garbage, btw, reflash is the only way to go. However, this looks very good for the evo x because it shows that the car not only responds well to mods, but that the tc-sst is mod friendly. Plus, I'm willing to bet that a reflash will net slightly better results than the piggy back, especially in the driveability department. I'm getting the GSR, personally, because the auto clutch is less involving and really designed for people who either can't, or don't want to drive a stick. But, it's nice to know that both trannys are mod friendly... not just the 5 speed.

nice very nice i'm sold as well.

How much does those mods cost?

around 2-3 grand? If so, that is freaken awesome! a lot of power for just bolt ons!

^ Gotta be at least 4K. The upgraded exhaust system alone is at least 2K ... Im guessing.

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i wonder if the "other misc parts" included fuel pump and injectors.

Nope, stock fuel pump & injectors. The other misc. parts were just seat rails, strut tower bars, towing hooks, carbon trims, etc. Nothing to do with the power or drive train.

So yeah it's basically just intake piping, an exhaust system, a boost controller, and an add on fuel management system. Pretty much what I had in mind except for the add on cpu, I'll go with flashing the main ROM in my Evo.

I would have to agree that flashing the stock ECU would be a whole lot more driveable and friendly than going with an all out engine management system such as the F-Con IS. I have a F-Con V-Pro in my Evo and I love the driveability of it, but it is out of the financial reach of many people that aren't looking to extract power to threshold levels. One of the beauties of the V-Pro is that it allows a 32x32 resolution map on both fuel and timing and that gives a tuner a much finer approach at matching load levels vs RPM levels. I'm surprised that HKS didn't use a V-Pro in this car, but I'm sure they have their reasoning. Most of us are going to use our cars as daily drivers and the most cost-effective (and non warranty voiding) solution would be the ECU reflash.

Just to give a little background on the HKS F-Con line of systems, it's not a true piggyback in the sense that a lot of us are familiar with in the Apex'i S-AFC. Rather it splits duty with the stock ECU. The stock ECU remains in-tact to control non-engine related functions, such as A/C, immobilizer, OBD, etc. The F-Con takes complete control of fuel and ignition timing.

I must admit, I am quite interested in the following:

1) Camp 2 - The original Camp I had in my 2003 Evo. It was a graphical monitoring display of sensor in the car that could give you immediate data right on screen. Now that the Evo has the option of the Navi system, the Camp 2 could link right into the auxiliary port. I do wonder if they used a solution to work around the video cutout when the car is in motion.
2) EVC V - I'm curious as to why they use the older technology EVC V rather than the new EVC VI.

KMxxBadboy - hazarding a guess on your 2nd qn: In Japan, the version that is known as the EVC VI in the USA, is designated EVC V. Pretty confusing, but think that might be the answer.

General comment: wonder if the HKS Kansai unit is truly an SST car. The picture (white car with gold rims) looks like a modded RS (black side mirrors and door handles). Really hope the SST can achieve those numbers... still waiting for mine to arrive in a couple of weeks!

General comment: wonder if the HKS Kansai unit is truly an SST car. The picture (white car with gold rims) looks like a modded RS (black side mirrors and door handles). Really hope the SST can achieve those numbers... still waiting for mine to arrive in a couple of weeks!

Yea it says SST on the web site; i'm pretty sure you can pick a SST tranny with the RS in Japan seeing as you can configure the Evo's there any way you want pretty much.

I'm shocked to see a SST boosted in power so soon; I can't wait to see the times it produces.:popcorn:

Pretty sure the RS is only available in 5MT, even in JDM. If one could order an RS with the SST, I might have gone for that:
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/evo/grade/gra_06.html

The HKS Kansai Evo is car #140 in the last post on this page. Timing for the Revspeed Tsukuba challenge (car might have been further modified since then.)
http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1252&page=2

Looks like your right RS is MT only; that is the GSR spoiler on the back so its probably a GSR w/ SST. Perhaps the body color handles are an option over there. I know a couple of Japanese options like the Fog lights are standard on US models, so I could see that being optional on JDM's.

Pretty sure the RS is only available in 5MT, even in JDM. If one could order an RS with the SST, I might have gone for that:
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/evo/grade/gra_06.html

The HKS Kansai Evo is car #140 in the last post on this page. Timing for the Revspeed Tsukuba challenge (car might have been further modified since then.)
http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1252&page=2

You are right .. maybe it's a picture error ?? There is no option for SST-RS .. coz that's my 1st choice :D

But you're wrong about the Fcon iS .. it is a piggyback .. it does none of the functions of a Vpro .. it works in principle the same way as an emanage ultimate .. you can only use the navigator to modify basic functions .. and you need the powerwriter to edit other functions ..

Anyway .. according to the kansai sst .. it says Carbon airbox ?? and sponge/cloth airfilter????? the airbox looks stock to me :D

If everything is stated correct .. it reinforces my theory that the new evos come from the factory 'detuned' by introducing boost tapering .. as so far most guys who change the exhaust and added boost controllers seem to be getting in excess of 350Fhp ..

So if it's a 152G16 turbo .. I believe that most likely the limit of the turbo should be 400 or so compared to the gen3 magnesium turbo .. happy birthday

Time to get a talk to Tom Collins about doing a piggyback for the X until a flash software is available !! :D

I wonder how they got around the SST transmission control module. The FQ series from UK didn't release FQ330 and above for the SST model yet. Perhaps they want to ensure reliability and doesn't impact their warranty program.

Looks like your right RS is MT only; that is the GSR spoiler on the back so its probably a GSR w/ SST. Perhaps the body color handles are an option over there. I know a couple of Japanese options like the Fog lights are standard on US models, so I could see that being optional on JDM's.

Not my intention to be argumentative, but the regular "GSR" spoiler is an option for the RS. We get to buy JDMs where I'm from, so pretty sure about that.

In any case, hope it's an error in the picture and not a typo! Would be great if the SST is indeed so tunable.

Another thing I noticed about the Kansai webpage: "ＣＢＡ－ＣＺ４Ａ　平成１９年１２月"... That means the car is a December 2007 vehicle. HKS Kansai received their RS vehicle in October 2007, so maybe the text does refer to the SST. Hope that its just case of the pic not matching the text.

I did notice that the first 5MT HKS Kansai Evo X RS had no lip spoiler. The one in this picture does. I really doubt they would buy a spoiler after wards and add it on, so maybe this picture is the SST model?

Not my intention to be argumentative, but the regular "GSR" spoiler is an option for the RS. We get to buy JDMs where I'm from, so pretty sure about that.

In any case, hope it's an error in the picture and not a typo! Would be great if the SST is indeed so tunable.

Another thing I noticed about the Kansai webpage: "ＣＢＡ－ＣＺ４Ａ　平成１９年１２月"... That means the car is a December 2007 vehicle. HKS Kansai received their RS vehicle in October 2007, so maybe the text does refer to the SST. Hope that its just case of the pic not matching the text.

No worries, I know what your saying; I realized that it is or looks exactly like the X they had done up when they received the 5MT. I hope your right and it is just the wrong picture, or a twin.

That car is hot, I'm really pleased to see the power they're making out of it too.

@EVOXGSR (http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/member.php?u=314) - I don't agree with your universal hate for piggybacks...some are good, some are bad...

Just to give a little background on the HKS F-Con line of systems, it's not a true piggyback in the sense that a lot of us are familiar with in the Apex'i S-AFC. Rather it splits duty with the stock ECU. The stock ECU remains in-tact to control non-engine related functions, such as A/C, immobilizer, OBD, etc. The F-Con takes complete control of fuel and ignition timing.


So basically it's a parallel system.

A true piggyback simply manipulates I/O to the ECU.

KMxxBadboy - hazarding a guess on your 2nd qn: In Japan, the version that is known as the EVC VI in the USA, is designated EVC V. Pretty confusing, but think that might be the answer.

General comment: wonder if the HKS Kansai unit is truly an SST car. The picture (white car with gold rims) looks like a modded RS (black side mirrors and door handles). Really hope the SST can achieve those numbers... still waiting for mine to arrive in a couple of weeks!

Good info.

Are you in Japan?

So basically it's a parallel system.

A true piggyback simply manipulates I/O to the ECU.

nah .. the iS is a piggyback.. only the vpro is a parallel system ..

That car is hot, I'm really pleased to see the power they're making out of it too.

@EVOXGSR (http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/member.php?u=314) - I don't agree with your universal hate for piggybacks...some are good, some are bad...

The piggybacks have been a disaster on the Mazda RX8 the ECU simply resetts itself AFTER A FEW CYCLES because its a learning computer , so It reverts back to the original settings produced by Mazda .

Most piggybacks only change the air ,fuel ratio and ignition timing which is not the ants pants of tuning IMHO.

Cheers
Michael

The piggybacks have been a disaster on the Mazda RX8 the ECU simply resetts itself AFTER A FEW CYCLES because its a learning computer , so It reverts back to the original settings produced by Mazda .

Mazda ECUs are notorious for being a PITA and learning around the tune. However, there are tricks to make it obey if done properly.

Kooldino, allow me to ellaborate on why I don't like piggybacks so that you understand where I am coming from. Piggybacks, as you mentioned, simply manipulate the input/output signals of the stock ecu. Now the problem with this is that by manipulating the commands sent by the stock ecu there is almost always a slight delay in response because of this "reprocessing." Secondly, most piggy backs are only programmed for wide open throttle, which always results in a slight jerky/jolting feeling when transitioning from partial to full throttle. Lastly, almost all piggybacks use static timing maps that don't work with the stock ecu's safety parameters, like the ability to pull timing if knock is detected. So, if the piggyback is tuned too agressively, you can destroy your motor in no time. I've run piggybacks in the past on my wrx and sti, and reflashing is the best way to go by far. My results have been night and day better with the reflash, both in peak power numbers as well as in quicker spool up and torque available earlier and longer in the rpm range. Driveability is also far better; like stock with a lot more power. Reflashing the ecu also allows more control over more parameters, such as much more intricate tuning of the wastegate duty cyle mapping. And, you get to keep all of the stock ecu's learning funtions that can help smooth out any rough edges, as well as maintaining all of the stock safety features. BTW I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just felt as though I owed you a proper explanation of why I made the comment about piggybacks being garbage. Either way, different strokes for different folks, right? We're all going after the same thing, I guess it's up to you how you want to get there. Cheers.

that looks good!

Kooldino, allow me to ellaborate on why I don't like piggybacks so that you understand where I am coming from. Piggybacks, as you mentioned, simply manipulate the input/output signals of the stock ecu. Now the problem with this is that by manipulating the commands sent by the stock ecu there is almost always a slight delay in response because of this "reprocessing." Secondly, most piggy backs are only programmed for wide open throttle, which always results in a slight jerky/jolting feeling when transitioning from partial to full throttle.

I've personally only dealt with one system that I SUSPECT only worked at WOT...It was the DSMLink. I don't know much about the system, other than the fact that I spent about 10 minutes figuring it out and about 20 tuning it. It didn't have a TPS axis, so I think it was only accounting for WOT.

That said, I have heard of other low end units that are only good for WOT, but there are plenty out there (the UTEC, for instance) that works at various throttle positions.

Lastly, almost all piggybacks use static timing maps that don't work with the stock ecu's safety parameters, like the ability to pull timing if knock is detected.

One piggyback that I use often (the SMT6) more or less overlays its timing table over the stock ECU's. It allows you to add or subtract timing by X number of degrees relative to whatever the stock computer is doing. Because of this, the maps are just as dynamic as the OEM maps, since they are simply a shift of whatever the stock ECU is doing at any given moment.

So, if the piggyback is tuned too agressively, you can destroy your motor in no time. I've run piggybacks in the past on my wrx and sti, and reflashing is the best way to go by far.

Which piggybacks did you use?

Also, which reflash setups did you use?

I personally like reflash setups, but only the ones that the end user can do via the OBD-II port.

My results have been night and day better with the reflash, both in peak power numbers as well as in quicker spool up and torque available earlier and longer in the rpm range. Driveability is also far better; like stock with a lot more power. Reflashing the ecu also allows more control over more parameters, such as much more intricate tuning of the wastegate duty cyle mapping.

IIRC, you can tune the wastegate duty cycle on the UTEC.

And, you get to keep all of the stock ecu's learning funtions that can help smooth out any rough edges, as well as maintaining all of the stock safety features. BTW I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just felt as though I owed you a proper explanation of why I made the comment about piggybacks being garbage.

I completely understand.

Your points are valid, but the only thing I disagree with is that "piggybacks are garbage". While many of them on certain cars very well may be, that's not to say that they all are on all cars. Some piggyback setups work flawlessly. Others make you want to drive the car off a cliff, assuming it could actually make it there.

the cobb access port is the best reflash software by far, in my opinion. It allows adjustment of every aspect of the ecu, there's really nothing that it can't do. I don't personally see the benefits of goig to a standalone, there's really no need for one and they are much more difficult to tune. And you're right, some piggybacks aren't that bad, I just think they are crude alternatives o reflashes. To each his own, right?

sweet ride piggy backs arent so bad though

Good news this is....

Approx. 280kw and 480nm from a HKS aftermarket tuning kit :)

My interest in the Evo10/SST is rekindled :)

Good news this is....

Approx. 280kw and 480nm from a HKS aftermarket tuning kit :)

My interest in the Evo10/SST is rekindled :)



Spending............. $10 -15,000 on HKS are we :+1::rock:


Cheers
Michael

HKS Kansai has posted the specs for their demo SST Evo X they been fooling around with for the past few days.
Max: 382.3 horse power, 48.9kg torque
Main Parts used:
HKS Carbon Air Ducts
HKS Racing Suction
HKS Intercooler Piping
HKS Legal Max Premium muffler
HKS Front & Center Exhaust Piping
HKS Catalytic Converter
HKS Camp 2
HKS EVC V
HKS F-CON IS
HKS HyperMax III suspension
and other misc parts

http://www.hkskansai.co.jp/html/democar/mitsubishi/evo10.htm
Yo that's sweet!!! I don't know if you did so already, but you should post this up in the Evom forum to shut them up and s#%t talking stops! awsome find!!!

Spending............. $10 -15,000 on HKS are we :+1::rock:


Cheers
Michael

Damn, didn't know/think it would be anywhere near that much :(

To answer the question, maybe not then :(

Damn, didn't know/think it would be anywhere near that much :(

To answer the question, maybe not then :(

He's just sh!tting you ..

piping kit $700
Boost controller EVC $700
Exhaust $800
Intake kit $300
you go do the maths ..
An Fcon iS cost you around $700 or $1200 with the navigator set ..

All in you spend at most $4000 for powermods and $12000 to make it look better ..:godance::godance:

He's just sh!tting you ..

piping kit $700
Boost controller EVC $700
Exhaust $800
Intake kit $300
you go do the maths ..
An Fcon iS cost you around $700 or $1200 with the navigator set ..

All in you spend at most $4000 for powermods and $12000 to make it look better ..:godance::godance:

I hope that's the case, even here in Australia those prices listed above for those specific hardware items look about right :)

All up not a bad spend to get the quoted power increase numbers :)

Agree on the aesthetic upgrade costs, a decent set of 20" wheels and lowering suspension would already add to no less than $7-$8,000...

I hope that's the case, even here in Australia those prices listed above for those specific hardware items look about right :)

All up not a bad spend to get the quoted power increase numbers :)

Agree on the aesthetic upgrade costs, a decent set of 20" wheels and lowering suspension would already add to no less than $7-$8,000...

Shit cost crazy over there! :omg:

Shit cost crazy over there! :omg:

Yeh, we get ripped hard here :(

A set of BBS LeMans rims in 19" will set you back $10,000 - forget 20" BBS's :(

You can get a set of average brand 20's for as low as $2,200 though with tyres included, that's not so bad :)

Yeh, we get ripped hard here :(

A set of BBS LeMans rims in 19" will set you back $10,000 - forget 20" BBS's :(

You can get a set of average brand 20's for as low as $2,200 though with tyres included, that's not so bad :)

Oh well, I am sure there are countries that gets raped harder than you guys.

Oh well, I am sure there are countries that gets raped harder than you guys.

Yes that's true, there are...

Can't remember which country, but there was a member here with an Evo 10 who said he paid around $92,000 U.S. dollars for it.....far out !

Yes that's true, there are...

Can't remember which country, but there was a member here with an Evo 10 who said he paid around $92,000 U.S. dollars for it.....far out !

Oh, I think that person is from singapore! MASSIVE TAX!!! :idhitit::idhitit::hitit::hitit:

Oh, I think that person is from singapore! MASSIVE TAX!!! :idhitit::idhitit::hitit::hitit:

I feel for him...

Massive taxes is what kills it for us in Australia too :(

Funny how you log on to your favourite forum and you see dancing fruits illustrating your country's fiscal regime. Lovin' it!

To be honest, I'm happy to pay high car taxes in exchange for low income taxes. For e.g. if someone earns say US$55k a year, effective income taxes are only about 5%, due to the graduated/tiered tax system. That's even lower than Hong Kong's flat 15% rate.

Anyway, back to the car... I've been told to expect my SST by end Jan. Will let you guys know if it pans out.

Funny how you log on to your favourite forum and you see dancing fruits illustrating your country's fiscal regime. Lovin' it!

To be honest, I'm happy to pay high car taxes in exchange for low income taxes. For e.g. if someone earns say US$55k a year, effective income taxes are only about 5%, due to the graduated/tiered tax system. That's even lower than Hong Kong's flat 15% rate.

Anyway, back to the car... I've been told to expect my SST by end Jan. Will let you guys know if it pans out.

Expect February probably :godance:

Release is late Dec 07 .. so inclusive of shipping and documentation .. it'll arrive late Jan 08 maybe .. after customs and certifications .. most likely mid or late Feb :D

Funny how you log on to your favourite forum and you see dancing fruits illustrating your country's fiscal regime. Lovin' it!

LOL

To be honest, I'm happy to pay high car taxes in exchange for low income taxes. For e.g. if someone earns say US$55k a year, effective income taxes are only about 5%, due to the graduated/tiered tax system.

That's not true at all. If you make $55K a year in the US, you probably take home about $40'ish. It's certainly much less than $52.5K (which would be 5% tax)

LOL



That's not true at all. If you make $55K a year in the US, you probably take home about $40'ish. It's certainly much less than $52.5K (which would be 5% tax)

I was referring to someone making the equivalent of US$55k in Singapore. Due to the tiered tax structure here, the effective tax is about 5%. Yes, in US, UK, Oz and just about every other country, direct taxes are higher.

But yeah in Singapore, when you see even a Lambo Gallardo roll by (increasing common), you know someone just dropped north of US$500k for his car.

Ah, gotcha.

:bump:

There was a silver Evo X at the HKS Kansai booth at the TAS 2008, i.e. it wasn't the usual white "RS" that one sees on the HKS Kansai website. Can anyone confirm that this is the SST car? If so, what specs does it have?
;)

There was a silver Evo X at the HKS Kansai booth at the TAS 2008, i.e. it wasn't the usual white "RS" that one sees on the HKS Kansai website. Can anyone confirm that this is the SST car? If so, what specs does it have?
;)

No this is manual 5 speed evo x

http://www.nihoncar.com/en/news_pics/707/gallery/HKS_023.jpg
http://www.nihoncar.com/en/news_pics/707/gallery/HKS_019.jpg

I wonder if they tapped into the SST's ECU and Reprogrammed it for the power the car was delivering...I'm convinced the transmission can handle more then the power its pushing...I think Getrag would be a littlre more proud of their work....Now if this is the case we need to figure out how they did it and are they selling it LOL

boy36: thanks. But that's the HKS car (black). HKS Kansai is a sister company, I believe, they had a booth with a silver X, a GTR and a blue STi. Was wondering about that silver one...

I will start saving for all this parts!!!!:rock::rock::rock:

Thank you for the info:thumbup:

Way Cool!!

Kansai has updated their website to show off their SST .. think it registers 349ps with the parts ..

I'm more interested in the HKS euro spec damper !! :D

http://www.hkskansai.co.jp/html/democar/mitsubishi/evo10.jpg

Kansai has updated their website to show off their SST .. think it registers 349ps with the parts ..
.... :D

Yup or 345 hp.

Wow:rock:

The best looking Evo ever:amen:

I'm trying to understand how they can make 30 more ponies by DROPPING the boost, "from 11.8 psi in the standard car to 10.3 psi in the 360."

They state that the mods on the FQ-330, plus dropping the boost, plus a software reflash equals FQ-360. I wonder what kind of stuff the reflash is tweaking, and what kind of power they'd be making if they wouldn't have dropped the boost (FQ-400?).

What HKS exhaust is that? Doesn't look like the legamax. Those tips are nice.

Well they said it was the HKS Super Dragger but the general consensus is that its just been designed for the X. It may look pretty but its quiet as a mouse and from what Ive read and seen on mine, fairly restrictive.

why do they say that the stock psi is 11.8.....when its 21 psi????

why do they say that the stock psi is 11.8.....when its 21 psi????

Redline?

SST at 376hp!!!!!!!!!:rock: NOW WE ARE TALKING:thumbup:

SST at 376hp!!!!!!!!!:rock: NOW WE ARE TALKING:thumbup:

http://www.hkskansai.co.jp/html/democar/mitsubishi/evo10.htm

THIS is the SST .. the other figure you quote is the RS

348ps

BTW .. these numbers typically are flywheel ..

http://www.hkskansai.co.jp/html/democar/mitsubishi/evo10.htm

THIS is the SST .. the other figure you quote is the RS

348ps

BTW .. these numbers typically are flywheel ..


Oh!!!!

348ps is ok:o