After 3 failure runs, I got the launch down. I completely forgot to turn ASC off on all runs, fml. Best 60ft was a 1.8x, as you can see in the video, it seems extremely slow from the launch. Is that due to the ASC still being completely on?

I'm kicking myself in the ass. A cammed 4b11t should be deeper in the 12's on stock turbo would it not?

Nisei UICP
AMS Intercooler
Buschur LICP
HM intake
AMS downpipe
Ichiba test pipe
Buschur Crossflow Exhaust
Kelford 214-A
DW 1000cc's
Boomba intake gasket
BC Racing coilovers
DTM tune - 93 oct

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5UYdVT6a64 12.8 run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoEwboL7DPs 13.0 run

so how much power do you have? with all those mods, i think you should gone high 11. maybe tires or launch techniques.

What elevation are you at?

And yes, ASC being on will bog you down up on launch. Take it off and you should see dramatically better times.

Mustang dyno at 60 correction ( I think ) put me at 311whp at 7,000rpm. I guess the graph was cut short.

Elevation is 80 feet.

I would expect much better times with ASC off.

Work on your launch....you have a very high trap speed for 13.0. Should be low 100's.

However, at the same time 1.8 60's aren't terrible. You can certainly manage 1.7's even 1.6's with a good day. Your clutch may be a factor as well.

Did they prep the track?

Don't kick yourself. 12.8 isn't bad for 311whp. My buddy kicked off 12.5 with 310whp before he toasted his clutch. He had high 1.7's 60'.

Yeah I feel so dumb for forgetting about asc. The track was very well prepped. I was one of the first cars to go down the strip. I could hear the tires being stuck to the pavement.

I dont think the times would be dramatic at all. It may net you a 1.7 but but in the end its still going to give you around a 12.5-12.6. You ran a 12.86 with it on so I would expect to see tooooo much faster of a time. You have alot of mods but not much hp. Is this a conservative tune? Also you have a pretty low elevation so maybe your tune needs to be tweaked. Im at over 3000 and with less mods I ran a 12.3@111 with a 1.7 60'. I think with a better tune you will get down there

With boltons in my MR I did 12.6 at 108, so your et should be much quicker then that.

I am leaning towards your tune or some kind of mechanical issue slowing down your speed. Cams should net you a lot of power tuned.

Do what the others above had said Go back, and practice.

You'll do better next time.

I'm pretty sure it's a very conservative tune. I'll be at TTP Engineering in October and hopefully they can give me the low down on what's going on with my setup, as well as a new tune.

I was looking at other times and that's when it hit me. Why the hell am I running such crappy times for all my mods? It can't be too much of driver error, I've been down that strip hundreds of times in my RSX and netted a 12.4 @ 111 all motor.

Ha, even the track official who sets up the tree was asking me what the hell was I doing. He owns a yellow evo 8.

I'm pretty sure it's a very conservative tune. I'll be at TTP Engineering in October and hopefully they can give me the low down on what's going on with my setup, as well as a new tune.

I was looking at other times and that's when it hit me. Why the hell am I running such crappy times for all my mods? It can't be too much of driver error, I've been down that strip hundreds of times in my RSX and netted a 12.4 @ 111 all motor.

Ha, even the track official who sets up the tree was asking me what the hell was I doing. He owns a yellow evo 8.

I heard that they're horrible at tuning. You should be very careful having them even touch your car. Don't know how true that is, but I wish you the best of luck.

i ran a 12.7 with asc on and 12. 2 with asc off. when i had 300whp

and dont go to ttp.

yep I think ASC cost you atleast .5 off your times. but good first effort! :)

.5 sec? I can see maybe .2 but no more. As a matter of fact I think that I have ran pretty identical times in both. I guess I could be wrong but, well I guess it dont matter

.5 sec? I can see maybe .2 but no more. As a matter of fact I think that I have ran pretty identical times in both. I guess I could be wrong but, well I guess it dont matter hmm you ran identical times with asc both switched on and off? I reckon you could have gone faster then.. asc definatley robbs you at the drag strip.. have you been since mate?

Dont go to TTP

I dont think the times would be dramatic at all. It may net you a 1.7 but but in the end its still going to give you around a 12.5-12.6. You ran a 12.86 with it on so I would expect to see tooooo much faster of a time. You have alot of mods but not much hp. Is this a conservative tune? Also you have a pretty low elevation so maybe your tune needs to be tweaked. Im at over 3000 and with less mods I ran a 12.3@111 with a 1.7 60'. I think with a better tune you will get down there

It does make a drammatic difference because if the ECU pulls power you have to gain speed again, its like bogging, you CAN see a half a second difference with ASC off.

Dont go to TTP

Why not? :confused2:

Keep it up, it's only uphill from here (until something breaks).

and dont go to ttp.
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Meat is right. Please take his word on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOCjETynxg4

You can take my word for it too! Scott at TTP is an ass! I cant believe he is still in biz. POSSIBLEY THE WORST TUNER IN WORLD!!! IF YOU WANT YOUR CAR FUCKED......THEN GO THERE!

TTP= lose

This is my experience with Scott @ TTP....as posted on evom.

keep in mind, if he cant even istall a bov and wastegate.....you really want him messing with the ecu???


My name is Jeremy, and my dealing with Scott @ TTP engineeringhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:forums.evolutionm.net/get/images/smilies/smilie_thumbsdown.gif

I was in Orlando on vacation/work (drive a handicap guy around ) and
I purchased a Forge b.o.v. and matching waste gate actuator, and shorty antenna from TTP. The blow off valve spring wasn't right, and the waste gate actuator was set way to high, also they installed the wrong forge shorty antenna for the 8/9 gen, the x gen. is different. He had the waste gate set so high ( even though he said he would have it set at the lowest possible setting ) and that was Prior to me getting parts installed. It made the car through 5 different codes. I was told the only way to fix it was to get a re-tune, he never once said that he could just adjust it, until I complained via PM. He also never said why he had it set so hight, knowing that I didn't want it tuned, I just had it tuned 3 weeks prior. So I did not want a tune. I told him that before I even came in to get the said parts installed. He new that it was throwing the codes and said, just drive it easy! Even though I had over a 1000 miles to drive home with my mother, and Jim ( handicap guy back to Maryland ) The car would through over boost, and over qt. codes, as well as 3 others and that was with Jim and my mother in the car ( so I wasn't driving hard at all! I WILL NEVER BUY FROM AGAIN!


And if you think I'm just blowing it out of proportion.

Here's a complete copy of my Pm's with TTP. Nice know what his personal feelings of the EVO X MR is before you have him work on yours! I know that if he would have told me he thinks the evo x Mr's are " garbage " I would have never had him touch my car!!!! THEY COULDN'T EVEN INSTALL THE RIGHT ANTENNA!!!!http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:forums.evolutionm.net/get/images/smilies/smilie_thumbsdown.gif


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Originally Posted by jsr426
Hello,

I was in there yesterday getting the bov, and wastegate accuator put on my MR, and Its not working out at all. it went into limp mode on the way home from dinner, sport mode at 3,000 or so rpm, in 3rd gear. If I would have known that I'd be throwing codes I NEVER WOULD HAVE DONE THIS TO MY CAR. I did the shut on and off as you suggested but it won't go back to normal. I've tried this about 10 times now considering its 12 a.m. and nothing. I just want the oem parts back on please, and Ill just have to have the parts reinstalled just prior to retuning. It was my understanding that when we had talked about this on the phone, (when you were checking to see if I was still coming) that it wouldn't interfear with my cars existing tune to this extent. Oviously Ill pay for the parts to get removed, just give me a call as soon as I can get in there. I have to drive a 1000 miles home, I can't have any limp mode happening on the way home. I don't want to have to worry about that while I have my mother and a mentally challened guy in the car....that's enough to deal with alone.

Jeremy Rohrs

I understand your concern. If you would like, we can reduce the loading on the WGA to slow the spoolup characteristics and it should resolve the AccessPort torque mismatch programming that your tuner has loaded. The car would have to cool in any event.

You are not allowing the ECU to power down when trying to reset the limp mode. The dash has to power down and you have to wait about 25 seconds for this to transpire.

ME:

Ok, first and formost why is the actuator set a anything buuuut the lowest possiblr rate? You new I was having the problem? Why didn't you do that yesterday when I was throwing all those codes?Luis used to work for Forge, the manufacturer of the actuator installed in your vehicle. He knows how to install the unit.



SCOTT @ TTP WRITES:


The problem lies not in the actuator, but in the Accessport boost mapping in which we have no access to modify as you left your AP at home and do not have it with you. The Evo X is a complex vehicle with an even more complex ECU.

The actuator minimum spring rate is 19psi, regardless of the preload of the turnbuckle. The stock actuator crack pressure is 11-13psi.

We had to wait hours in order for the car to cool to the point to be able to work on it to start with. Making additional changes to the actuator turnbuckle loading would have created an additional 2-3 hours wait for you which would have had to be reversed once you were getting your AP retuned. We softened the hardness of your valve to improve driveability and provided tips to prevent and deter engine codes until you could get back to your accessport.

The boost maps need to be modified in the ECU and we tried to access that information for you however your Accessport locks out the ECU.


ME:

Dude, i saw how much the Wastegate actuator was set!!!! What were you guys thinking?? you told me you would have him set it at the lowewst possible setting, Not in the middle!!!!, there was literally more than 1 inch it could have been backed out!!!! WHAT WERE YOU DOING?, TRYING TO BLOW MY CAR UP? OR SCARE ME INTO A TUNE!!!!! AND THEN DRIVING IT THAT HARD BACK AND FORTH in front of your shop, KNOWING IT WAS OVER BOOSTING and throwing codes!!! You have some nerve calling your self a tuner..... It's people like you that give Pro Tuners a bad name! And don't think for one second that this is over, people are going to hear about what you did!!!!![/quote]



SCOTT @ TTP WRITES:

I am not going to have an intelligent intellectual conversation with someone that does not know what they are talking about. I've been working on these turbo Mitsu's for coming up on my 15th year now. Our tech worked for the manufacturer of the WGA and was the on site installer for the USA operations here in Orlando for years. A WGA fully backed out would boost LESS than wastegate pressure as the wastegate would be open all of the time. The stock wastegate actuator has preload itself however the spring rate is lower.

We could care less if we tuned your car, the MR'S ARE GARBAGE AND WILL NEVER MAKE ANY REAL POWER due to the SST transmission. We tune 5-7 custom tunes weekly and that is about our capacity. We only tried to access your ecu in order to fix the accessport maps which were mismatched in their expected torque and airflow maps for how the car was set up. I would not have had time to tune it that day.

I test drove the car in order to see what adjustments might be needed in order to reduce the airflow mismatch code from appearing. Overboost code does not mean the car is overboosting, it means the airflow mismatches what the ECU is expecting to see at a given RPM. We drove the car to locate what condition would initiate the code and see what driving style would alleviate it. Evidently you could not refrain from driving it more aggressively than we advised.

Best of luck to you going forward.

nice runs man! like the launch on the 2nd vid!!

Sounds like you were being an ass to them. Oh well, thanks for the info.

What elevation are you at?

And yes, ASC being on will bog you down up on launch. Take it off and you should see dramatically better times.

What elevation are u guys talking about? :confused:

Sorry I know I fail but everyone learns from somewhere.. Please explain and me love u long time

What elevation are u guys talking about? :confused:

Sorry I know I fail but everyone learns from somewhere.. Please explain and me love u long time

Like how far above sea level are you. I'll run dramatically slower in Colorado at 7k feet as opposed to California at sea level.

Why not? :confused2:


Because the dude is an ass, rude as hell, and likes to argue even when he is flat out wrong. He tried to tell me that getting any flash tune will damage my car if its from "out of town". Thats total bullshit, several vendors make conservative general tunes that work in all the states with premium fuel. I corrected him and he no longer wanted to help me diagnose my boost leak issue I was having. I also HAD a clutch installed by him on my last Evo X, guess what I found out later, the mount bolts were put in backwards and lose and my transmission housing was missing 1 bolt. I also dont know how he's still in business.

:amen::yeahthat::yeahthat::+1::mswerd::iwdumbass:

Meat is right. Please take his word on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOCjETynxg4


LOOOLLLL

This was the best shit ive seen ever.

109mph traps with 311whp on a properly set Mustang dyno with a heavier Evo 10 sounds just right to me.

I had a customer that made 315whp on our mustang in his Evo 10 run 12.6@109 mph with a 1.87 60ft.

Almost exactly what you did. :)

Work on the 60fts and your ET will drop.