Am I the only one who can't decide between the 6 speed manual and the DSG-style transmission that will be available for the EVO X? I'm trying to weigh out the pros and cons.

I'm guessing the DSG style trans will cost more, but since this is Mitsubishi's first crack at a DSG style gearbox, will it be as reliable as a classic 6 speed manual? Will it really perform that much better? Will you have to sacrifice some control with such a transmission? Discuss.

Am I the only one who can't decide between the 6 speed manual and the DSG-style transmission that will be available for the EVO X? I'm trying to weigh out the pros and cons.

I'm guessing the DSG style trans will cost more, but since this is Mitsubishi's first crack at a DSG style gearbox, will it be as reliable as a classic 6 speed manual? Will it really perform that much better? Will you have to sacrifice some control with such a transmission? Discuss.

Surly it will cost more, but I think it will be worth it. As far as it perfoming better ?!?!?!? I'm just guessing it will be just that much more of an experience driving it. We will have to wait to see what it's tru Dyno Specs are!!

Seriously though, a sport car is a sport car and I can't live w/o a manual gearbox... But who knows I could be persuaded ya know.

CHEERS!!

I read a blurb in Sport Compact Car about the DSG style trans, and how it's computer controlled. Apparently the shifts are all calibrated for a stock horsepower car, etc, etc. So if I got the DSG style box, I might have to deal with the TCU headache.

I'm starting to lean towards the manual now.

Why? Your thinking of moding it already...lol! Still, it would be nice to have all the options though...but I see what your saying.

BTW, I wasn't expecting a memo but you never told you were considering the Evo X. I don't blame you though...wish it was coming to Canadia...or is it?

Moding it? Of course! I hope to someday know the X as well as I do the Protege.

Yeah, I've been considering the X for a couple of years now.

It SHOULD be coming to canadia. The 8's didn't because of some bumper nonsense.

I will be going 6 spd. I have driven a few DSG/paddle shifer cars andyou cant replace a clutch. SOrry. Its fun at first and yes it can shift faster than a human, but i am buying the car to enjoy it. So 6spd all the way for me :):cool:

Something to think about guys and I don't want to be a party pooper but I find as I get older....manual is getting annoying. Especially since I live in a city, lots of lights and traffic. I'm leaning towards paddle shift option to have the best of both worlds.

^I can sympathize with you, Jay. I despise my MT when I'm in the city. And it can be a real PITA. Honestly, I was all about the paddle shifters until I read the potential tuning limitations with that trans for the high powered cars. For some mild power mods, the DSG box shouldn't be an issue, but knowing me, I'll go nuts with my X.

First.......what's Canadia?

lol, ok anyway...... I drive my speed6 in the city with the 6 speed manual, I don't mind it, it doesn't bother me at all, even with the lights and traffic...

besides if you want to be able to mod this car and WRING it out to high holy heck, you'd be better off with the manual...... I never believed all that electronic garbage and when you need to handle the higher HP, you can get a bigger/better clutch setup to hand the power, I don't see how you'd do that for an electronic transmission.....

6 speed manual for me....

First.......what's Canadia?

It's a fictional land that didn't get any evos yet.

besides if you want to be able to mod this car and WRING it out to high holy heck, you'd be better off with the manual...... I never believed all that electronic garbage and when you need to handle the higher HP, you can get a bigger/better clutch setup to hand the power,

I hear ya.

I don't see how you'd do that for an electronic transmission.....

Tuning! (maybe).

Tuning! (maybe).


lol @ fictional land....... i have a buddy in my FORZA race club on xbox live... we were all in a chat once and he typed Cananada (he's from canada) and my other friend was like

Holy **** you ****ed up your own country

and he goes...... it's already ****ed up, not my fault, it was funny, but he bombed the spelling of the name, like me typing United States of Ameria

:p


ok aside from that......... tuning for the DSG ? hmmm I dunno.......the tuning companies would have to crack that code some how, and I can see Mitsu only using the 6 speed in the races, not the DSG..... just my 2 cents.

There will be a market for companies to crack the TCU, mark my words. And apparently, the DSG style box is faster...so I wouldn't be shocked if they used that in racing.

lol @ fictional land....... i have a buddy in my FORZA race club on xbox live... we were all in a chat once and he typed Cananada (he's from canada) and my other friend was like

Holy **** you ****ed up your own country

and he goes...... it's already ****ed up, not my fault, it was funny, but he bombed the spelling of the name, like me typing United States of Ameria

I like that...AMERIA...lol! Ya Canadia..I got that from Kooldino and I thought it was funny...and it stuck. Canadia, Cananada who cares, we got bigger problems in the world. I don't let things like that bother me and besides...I'm not going to get all defensive with the guy who's tuning my car.

Ya and tuning the DSG box...I was thinking of that to, I'd put my money on that. I could just see it now...2-3 years from now in a thread in this forum (Speedcircuit now tunes DSG's transmissions).

I like that...AMERIA...lol! Ya Canadia..I got that from Kooldino and I thought it was funny...and it stuck. Canadia, Cananada who cares, we got bigger problems in the world. I don't let things like that bother me and besides...I'm not going to get all defensive with the guy who's tuning my car.

LOL. "No, Jason...that crackling sound is NORMAL at WOT"

Ya and tuning the DSG box...I was thinking of that to, I'd put my money on that. I could just see it now...2-3 years from now in a thread in this forum (Speedcircuit now tunes DSG's transmissions).

Hahaha. You never know.

Another thing I'm curious on with the DSG style box...how do you launch it? You can't exactly slip the clutch.

Do you rev it up in neutral and then bang it into first? Wouldn't the car bog or the trans explode?

it will asplode

i don't think mitsu usually makes things super hard to crack. for example there are some AYC controllers out there

and canadia can also be referred to as canuckistan

it will asplode

You think? How the hell do they launch them then?

i don't think mitsu usually makes things super hard to crack. for example there are some AYC controllers out thereThat's a good sign.

and canadia can also be referred to as canuckistan

http://funkyheart.com/images/stories/Borat/verynice.gif

You think? How the hell do they launch them then?

good question. what other awd DSG cars are out there? lambos? is that it?

which lambo has DSG? The gallardo?

What about that Audi that's built on the gallardo platform?

the gallardo is awd and offers "an advanced six-speed electro-hydraulically controlled auto-clutch manual, or, as Lamborghini abbreviates it to, "E-gear"." the murcielago offers the same e-gear and is awd

the R8 is awd (quattro, different than lambo awd) and offers manual or what they're calling an R tronic transmission which i have to assume is a DSG and not an automatic with manual function

i'm trying to think of other awd cars that came with a DSG type of transmission. did bmw ever put it in the xi 3-series? did mercedes in their 4motion? i definitely can't think of a car with not much low end torque that would really require a huge clutch dump (like the evo) to get good quarter mile times

Exactly. I'm thinking you'd need a clutch for a nice launch.

However, the FWD 13 second DSG 2.0T GTIs run 2.1s 60' times, which is solid.

but in fwd or rwd you're launching at like 3-4k usually and if you dump it the tires will break traction, saving the driveline. to get good 60' times with the evo you're launching at 5-6k and the tires aren't going to break free so your driveline takes the abuse if you dump it. my prediction is asplodation if you try to launch a dsg equipped evo like an evo needs to be launched

I almost want to go test drive an audi or VW just to screw around with a DSG box.

why is CVT not an option? *dons flame suit*



*p.s.: I friggin hate CVTs.. my mom's 07 Altima has one and I want to cry when I drive that thing.

CVT trannies generally can't withstand high output from a motor.

i like the CVT better then manual in my opinion

i like the CVT better then manual in my opinion

but you push the gas and the revs just .. they just stay there! agh it's the worst feeling in the world the first time, it's like you're driving a car that is overpowering the clutch.

Hi guys i am new to this forum i am from Downunder ( AUSTRALIA ) currently driving a Rotary powered Mazda RX8 , but its time for a change and i am considering the EVO X .

The DSG gearbox appeals to me as i have allways had manuals and i am getting to old to muck around in heavy traffic changing gears .

( getting older and wiser ):uzi:

From what i have read the only downside to a DSG as opposed to a 6 speed standard manual is that if theres a problem with the system all the gears are affected and it renders the car undriveable ...... IS this correct ?

Cheers
Michael

Well if there's a software glitch in the system, yeah that could happen. You're in no way physically connected to the gearbox so you are relying on not just the car's electrical system but also the ECU (and I'm assuming a separate module just for transmission control). Blow a fuse somewhere and you can lose control of the transmission. With electronic shifter linkage, throttle control, push-button ignition, and automatic clutch modulation, the car can do whatever it wants. Hopefully VW cancelled that research into fully electronic steering systems that they were doing.. then the car is in complete control of your life :P ...not something I'd trust to an unstable German car.

That being said, Mitsubishi isn't sadistic so I'm sure there will be failsafes :)

But why abandon the rotary? :'( :'( kidding sorta :) it's all good

Kansai

"But why abandon the rotary? " quote

The rotary has been my ride for 4 years its been great fun albeith with its fair share of Mazda quirks :uzi: to get more power out of it i would have to either Turbo or Supercharge it , the cost of doing this the effort required on a money to power ratio is in excess of $20,000 Aud .


If things go to plan most likely i will hand down my rotary to my 19 year old son , keeping and running 4 cars in a family can get expensive :peace:

Cheers
Michael

Hi guys i am new to this forum i am from Downunder ( AUSTRALIA )

Welcome! I think you're our first Aussie member. How'd you come across the site, if you don't mind me asking?

currently driving a Rotary powered Mazda RX8 , but its time for a change and i am considering the EVO X .

Going from a good car to a great car. Nothing wrong with that.

From what i have read the only downside to a DSG as opposed to a 6 speed standard manual is that if theres a problem with the system all the gears are affected and it renders the car undriveable ...... IS this correct ?

I haven't heard of that being an issue, but I wouldn't discount that as an issue.

I've also read of POTENTIAL issues with the DSG style box in the Evo X in terms of tuning. The shift timing it set up for a stock car with stock power, and if you stray too far from stock power, the trans will not be set up right, and may prove to be a limitation. Until, of course, they hack the TCU.

Kooldino

Came accross this site as i was wading through info on the Evo X , using Google :)

Glad to be the first Aussie on board , you make a good point on tuning the TCU and potential problems with the perimeters on the DSG .
Maybe writing to Mitshubishi could claryfy some of our concers ?


Cheers
Michael

Kooldino

Came accross this site as i was wading through info on the Evo X , using Google :)

Awesome. :)

Glad to be the first Aussie on board , you make a good point on tuning the TCU and potential problems with the perimeters on the DSG .
Maybe writing to Mitshubishi could claryfy some of our concers ?Eh, I doubt Mitsu is concerned about how well the TCU holds up against modifying the engine.

I'm not saying not to go with the DSG box, I'm just saying that if you do, just understand that it *may* limit how much power you can reliably make in some way.

But unless you plan on making tons of power, I wouldn't be concerned. It should be a great trans.

Here's a thread with pics of the drivetrain layout and more info you should check out:

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=235

Being a brand new engine i cannot help but wonder if it will be as robust as the previous one , and be able to be modded as hard , 250kw at the wheels would be a nice daily driver :)

Cheers
Michael

I have a feeling that the 4B11T will get the job done.

This morning i checked with the local dealer apparently the EVO X is being relesed in March 08 here in OZ :popcorn:

Excluding Japan does anyone know were they are being released sooner than March ?

Cheers
Michael

If I had to guess... late this year. I think they will make all the official announcements during the Japan unveiling October. Could be wrong...

Welcome!

This morning i checked with the local dealer apparently the EVO X is being relesed in March 08 here in OZ :popcorn:

Awesome. Should be out here around the same time.

The dealer I dealt with, Vancouver Mitsu, is saying around Feb.08, but they don't know any better than anyone else. They already had 5 deposits down so I'm #6, and I may not get mine right away. Places like Vancouver will hopefully get more cars.

In terms of the tranny I'm not going to be modding my EVO X and not drag racing, so as long as the SST is not too expensive I'll likely go that route. Power transfer is an issue, but I wouldn't be worried about the shift points. In manual mode you use the paddle shifters and decide when to shift. We should be able to red line the SST in manual mode.

Well, the SST box is actually supposed to have BETTER power transfer than the classic manual, so I wouldn't worry about that.

Also, welcome to the forum!

i'd say they have the option to choose.they are both good.i wonder if the dgs will have less moving parts like the manual.

Looks like it's supposed to be an add on part to the manual, more or less.

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=123&d=1185408634

Looks like it's supposed to be an add on part to the manual, more or less.

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=123&d=1185408634


Well it's more like 2 3-speed transmissions (each with their own clutch) with linkage between them

I'd say it's ~50% more complicated than a single manual transmission with clutch.

well the dsg does not disengage between shifts like the manual or smt does.so theres no power interruption.so is this how it works tranny one goes 1gear and tranny 2 goes to 2nd then tranny one geos to 3rd and so forth.so one tranny will have the 1,3,5 gears and the other will have 2,4,6.is this right.thats my understanding.

That may be the case. I'm really eager to try one.

For Asia, its a 5speed MT or the 6speed SST. No 6speed MT :bsflag: !!!!

I'm so undecided.... MT is coming 1st in Dec 07, followed by the SST in Apr 08.

OW! that's so horrible. I don't think I could live with myself buying the SST (just the principle of it bothers me.. even if it doesn't come with a fully automatic mode, it's just a software thing.. it's completely capable with simple AI of being a clunky automatic transmission.

Why they would release the 5MT before the 6SST, that just.. doesn't make any sense. They seem to want to push the SST as the best choice

At first, i was more inclined to the SST but since its a first for Mitsubishi for such a trans, i'm really concerned abt durability & reliability. $$$ for maintenance & repairs.

So MT is fine for me but just a 5speed...!!! Why oh why not a 6speed MT. If 6speed MT then i'll just go for the MT. No more headache.

If youre modding definetely go for the MT , shame you are only getting 5speed :bggay: WTF , we get the 6speed here in Australia .

Hopefully enough research and R&D have been done on the SST tranny to avoid durability issues guess only time will tell .

The fact that the SST is being released later by 6 months indicates that maybe more fine tuning is needed on the tranny :popcorn:

Hi guys, I've already posted my choice in another thread, but it's SST for me :)

As Michael (Lock n Load) has pointed out already, the older you get, the sicker you get of putting up with a manual in congested everyday driving traffic situations and if Mitsu get it right, it'll be quicker than the standard stick shift too - best of 'all' worlds :)

Hi guys, I've already posted my choice in another thread, but it's SST for me :)

As Michael (Lock n Load) has pointed out already, the older you get, the sicker you get of putting up with a manual in congested everyday driving traffic situations and if Mitsu get it right, it'll be quicker than the standard stick shift too - best of 'all' worlds :)

I agree with you on the older you get part. As a rally enthusiast (a.k.a. "left foot braker") I'm looking forward to the SST. Takes a lot of operator error out of the equation!

Are you sure you're getting the 6speed MT ??? The catalog show 5MT & SST only. Pls clarify.... tks.

If youre modding definetely go for the MT , shame you are only getting 5speed :bggay: WTF , we get the 6speed here in Australia .

Hopefully enough research and R&D have been done on the SST tranny to avoid durability issues guess only time will tell .

The fact that the SST is being released later by 6 months indicates that maybe more fine tuning is needed on the tranny :popcorn:

According to the Mitshi sales guy and some articles i have read i believe a 6 speed is available , guess only time will tell .


Cheers
Michael

i have heard both options will be available.

DSG tran for me

Although the DSG does sound cool n stuff I need the six speed manual it will just be easier for mods.. Also have one of DSGish shifters on my 325 it is not bad car accelerates faster when shifting with it than just leaving in drive but all in all I like clutch action better.. and another big factor my woman cant drive manual so that is the deal sealer if I have ever had one..

Are you sure it's a DSG style box? Or is it just a tiptronic auto?

Not sure I think it is DSG type and not tiptronic but I am far from an expert

What year is the car?

Its a 2004

Admin, please change the poll titles to "GSR 5-Speed" and "MR SST 6-speed".

Crap, are we sure the manual is a 5 speed now? I like being able to have 5 gears with v.close ratios for in town and 6 speed for highway cruising.

I've never owned any thing other than a manual but if I do go for a "X" it will be the SST, since that's the only config for the MR.

Crap, are we sure the manual is a 5 speed now? I like being able to have 5 gears with v.close ratios for in town and 6 speed for highway cruising.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/automotive_news/4224695.html

"You’ll have choice of two gearboxes to mate with the new four-banger: a five-speed manual and new six-speed Twin-Clutch Sportronic Shift Transmission (TC-SST). The latter is an electrohydraulic manual transmission that’s not unlike VW’s DSG. It can select two gears at once—one engaged, the other all spooled up and ready to go. When the gears are changed, there is no lag time because the clutches are swapped simultaneously. It delivers quicker shifts than most manuals, but with the smoothness of an automatic."

"You’ll have choice of two gearboxes to mate with the new four-banger: a five-speed manual and new six-speed Twin-Clutch Sportronic Shift Transmission (TC-SST). The latter is an electrohydraulic manual transmission that’s not unlike VW’s DSG. It can select two gears at once—one engaged, the other all spooled up and ready to go. When the gears are changed, there is no lag time because the clutches are swapped simultaneously. It delivers quicker shifts than most manuals, but with the smoothness of an automatic."

Bah, what do they know. But evidence is mounting. Don't they know the STI will have a 6 speed manual? And more power? And will be a continuing force in the WRC?

In the autoweek article they say:
"—dubbed the Evolution X in non-U.S. markets—"

So maybe in Canada we will not have the MR named version.

I think I'll be going 5 speed in light of a lot of the info I've seen.

I think I'll be going 5 speed in light of a lot of the info I've seen.

Most of the reviews has been done on the 5-spd. I dont think they've actually tested/reviewed the production SST model.

Bah, what do they know. But evidence is mounting. Don't they know the STI will have a 6 speed manual? And more power? And will be a continuing force in the WRC?

.

Yes but it looks like its been hit with the ugly branch .

Cheers
Michael

Yes but it looks like its been hit with the ugly branch .

Cheers
Michael

:+1:

Most of the reviews has been done on the 5-spd. I dont think they've actually tested/reviewed the production SST model.

They have, i think, but they haven't test the 0-60mph nor the 1/4 mile.

Yes but it looks like its been hit with the ugly branch.

Let's wait and see the final package that the STI comes in (I'm liking some of what I see), but for sure the EVO is ahead in the looks department so far. I do like having the hatch, though.

Let's wait and see the final package that the STI comes in (I'm liking some of what I see), but for sure the EVO is ahead in the looks department so far. I do like having the hatch, though.

According to some articles later down the road within a year of release the Evo is also coming in a hatch .
I think the Subby STI will go through a morphin stage before it becomes pretty , few facelifts and bum tucks wont hurt it :popcorn:

Nice avatar mate.( I'm liking all that i see and love to see more ) lol

Cheers
Michael

According to some articles later down the road within a year of release the Evo is also coming in a hatch .



Look better than the New STI IMO...
http://images.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/frankfurt/0510_frankfurt_02+2007_mitsubishi_sportback_concept+side_view.jpg


http://images.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/frankfurt/0510_frankfurt_04+2007_mitsubishi_sportback_concept+front_view.jpg

Where and when did this concept appear? I do like it. Boy, this is becoming more and more like shopping for a computer, you think you got what you want and what is hot right now, but something better is always coming soon. Not that I think the hatch is better looking, mind you, I just like the versatility of it and the ability to throw a full size stroller in the back! Ha, bet that caught you off guard. :-)

Opps, here's an edit, it was the Frankfurt auto show in 2005!!! Well, I won't be waiting a year for that.

Look better than the New STI IMO...
http://images.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/frankfurt/0510_frankfurt_02+2007_mitsubishi_sportback_concept+side_view.jpg


http://images.automobilemag.com/auto_shows/frankfurt/0510_frankfurt_04+2007_mitsubishi_sportback_concept+front_view.jpg

^For sure. Also keep in mind though, that came out around the same time as the Concept X, which is hotter than the true evo x.

.:iagree: :hititsign:

this thing is hot.

http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/129599.gif

^I like that bump... haha. I can't stop looking at it O.O

Looks like the SST is popular.

http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/129599.gif

Freaking hilarious!

stick all the way

SST - the best driver will always be faster regardless

SST - the best driver will always be faster regardless

QFT.

Looks like the SST is popular.
I agree… check the Audi TT DSG vs. Manual transmission tested by 5th Gear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWdnsfgzUHE

I agree… check the Audi TT DSG vs. Manual transmission tested by 5th Gear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWdnsfgzUHE

Awesome video and comparison of the two transmissions on a track. I agree with the result, but also agree with the driver, there is something more thrilling when you learn the sweet spot of the engine and make the perfect shift. It just feels exhilarating! Plus it costs less. I will go manual this time. Maybe next time I will consider an SST/DSG style transmission.

Can you really make a bad choice with this car?

I agree… check the Audi TT DSG vs. Manual transmission tested by 5th Gear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWdnsfgzUHE

Wow! That chick can drive. Well the DSG proves itself again. But only by 4/10?

one thing i like about it the sst is thst there will be no power lag between shifts.

SST is more advanced than DSG

Read where Mitsubishi has the SST set up to allow braking and gas pedal use at the same time i.e. left foot braking

the DSG systems kill the throttle pedal when you hit the brake simultaneously

I agree… check the Audi TT DSG vs. Manual transmission tested by 5th Gear

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWdnsfgzUHE

Very cool video. 4/10ths of a second isn't a huge lead, but it adds up in the long run. Impressive.

Can you really make a bad choice with this car?

Not buying one is about the only bad choice I can think of.

SST is more advanced than DSG

Read where Mitsubishi has the SST set up to allow braking and gas pedal use at the same time i.e. left foot braking

the DSG systems kill the throttle pedal when you hit the brake simultaneously


^This is true. That's a big deal for hardcore racers. No dual-pedal pushing would be a deal breaker for me if I was racing frequently.

one thing i like about it the sst is thst there will be no power lag between shifts.

QFT! Im with you on that one.

Wow! That chick can drive. Well the DSG proves itself again. But only by 4/10?

0.4 seconds out of 120+ seconds is not a significant difference. I would only conclude that they are equivalent within a fairly large error band. You think if you drove the same track with the exact same car you could keep your lap times within 0.4 seconds? That would be a neat trick.

Also, she drove the track first with the manual, and then a second time with the DSG. If she did it the other way around would the manual be slightly faster? You learn the track, you push it a little more because the last time you made a turn easier than you expected, or you manage to delay braking into a turn a little later, take a better line, etc.

I would expect the SST to actually give significantly better lap times, so this result is actually a good thing for me in my purchase of a 5MT Evo.

You can rationalize your desire to not spend the extra money for the SST any way you choose, but the reality is that she's experienced with a manual and not the SST. Go back and watch the vid again, she's sliding excessively and losing momentum numerous times on her SST run. Far from optimum driving IMO. All it proves to me is that a crappy SST lap is still better than a well run manual lap.

The Mitsu test drivers lap an SST 2+ seconds per lap faster than the Evo IX on their proving ground test track.

You can rationalize your inability to afford the SST any way you choose, but the reality is that she's experienced with a manual and not the SST. Go back and watch the vid again, she's sliding excessively and losing momentum numerous times on her SST run. Far from optimum driving IMO. All it proves to me is that a crappy SST lap is still better than a well run manual lap.

The Mitsu test drivers lap an SST 2+ seconds per lap faster than the Evo IX on their proving ground test track.

TeamEvo, you may be right about her experience using the DSG but I do not see much difference in the way the car goes around the track on the two runs. If anything both laps were equally good/bad.

I'm sure that the SST improves lap times because there is next to zero time lag between shifts. That does not change my perception that a manual shift will be more enjoyable to drive for ME!

I see parallels to time keeping in this argument. I prefer a mechanical watch to a quartz. The quartz keeps better time and costs less, but yet I prefer a mechanical movement. Cost is not a primary factor.

I highly doubt that a crappy SST lap will be better than a good manual lap. There is just not that much difference between the two when driven well. You be better to say that a crappy SST lap will likely be better than a crappy manual lap. As has been said before, the better driver will be faster despite the transmission. In track racing there is more importance placed on choice of line, braking, smoothness and corner exit speed than on the speed of your shifts.

Watch what you say, TeamEvo. I can afford to buy cars many times the price of the Evo X. What I am is frugal and not wanting to pay extra for something I do not want. I choose to not pay luxury car prices because I feel they are not worth it. I will also choose not to pay a 25% premium just because I live north of the 49th parallel. What may swing me more is the expected resale value for the Evo X with SST, but for now I will stick with the 5MT.

One benefit for me going with 5MT is I will have first crack at the Evo X in Canada. When will you get yours, TeamEvo? :confused:

Manual for sure... less money and more fun for me. Plus I plan on working on it quite a bit.

i dont know if you've been over this or not but will the mr just be sst or will there be a manual option on it

i dont know if you've been over this or not but will the mr just be sst or will there be a manual option on it

The MR will be an SST only. At least for the 2008 models.

can u get the nav and leather seats in the other version

can u get the nav and leather seats in the other version

I think so... Take look...
http://try.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/ncc2/jsp/config.jsp?model=203&year_type_id=10&param=1191610947452&ver=6

Hope you can read Japanese.

My apology, bad choice of words, edited as below:

You can rationalize your desire to not spend the extra money for the SST any way you choose, ....

The MR will be an SST only. At least for the 2008 models.

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Still prefering the 5MT!!!

I'm still preferring the SST - BUT that will definitely change if it becomes knowledge that the SST equipped vehicles can't handle a major or at worst no power upgrades at all.....

Will wait and see what the outcome is....

SST, always going for the latest tech

i have changed my mind going with an sst instead of a 5mt.

5-speed manual tranny

Still prefering the 5MT!!!
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No regrets with my 5 MT choice.
I prefer shifting myself, and the mechanical function. Call me silly.. but I feel more connected to the car with the 5MT.

SST, always going for the latest tech:+1:

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No regrets with my 5 MT choice.
I prefer shifting myself, and the mechanical function. Call me silly.. but I feel more connected to the car with the 5MT.

Exactly my thinking. Well, I got my 5MT, just not in an Evolution! It is a sweet feeling to rev the engine, feel the boost kick in, take 'er up to red line, quick shift and do it all over again, and again, and again!

I am enjoying it, but I now realize that things I used to be able to do in the Escape Hybrid (with CVT) I can no longer do, like drink coffee AND talk on the cell. :shades: I am on the look out for a Bluetooth system I can integrate into my car that does not cost an arm and a leg. I have an ear piece but haven't got around to using it. I also want a nice looking cradle for my BB Curve that puts it somewhere I can easily see while driving, but I do not want it to look tacked on. I already have the Garmin 360 NUVI GPS mount low down at the center of the windshield.

But I digress, 5MT FTW! :rock:

the 5MT is better, especially if your gunna be racing the X. An auto just cant short-shift as well as a human can! Plus, why take the fun out of driving by going auto?

Just giving this a little bump.
Anymore info on the tunability and durability of the SST?
If I got the SST I think I would wait 3 years till the warranty is up before I even look at modding my car. That way any glitches that pop up will be repaired compliments of Mitsu. Im sure the second I even change the exhaust tip Mitsu would fight to void warranty.
Plus as of now everyone is saying it cant handle any power. I'm sure within 3 years this new tranny will have been ripped apart by companies and mods will come out. That cheesey training video even states that within a year individual parts will be able to be repaired. I'm honestly not worried about the tunability of it as much as the durability. Of course if you want to mod right away then get the manual. If you want the newest technology then you'll have to wait but im sure in time you will be able to tune the SST just the same.
Anyone feel the same way here? Im opting for the SST. I love having the newest greatest thing on the block :-P

Just giving this a little bump.
Anymore info on the tunability and durability of the SST?
If I got the SST I think I would wait 3 years till the warranty is up before I even look at modding my car. That way any glitches that pop up will be repaired compliments of Mitsu. Im sure the second I even change the exhaust tip Mitsu would fight to void warranty.
Plus as of now everyone is saying it cant handle any power. I'm sure within 3 years this new tranny will have been ripped apart by companies and mods will come out. That cheesey training video even states that within a year individual parts will be able to be repaired. I'm honestly not worried about the tunability of it as much as the durability. Of course if you want to mod right away then get the manual. If you want the newest technology then you'll have to wait but im sure in time you will be able to tune the SST just the same.
Anyone feel the same way here? Im opting for the SST. I love having the newest greatest thing on the block :-P
I'm with ya man, it really is a tough choice, for A LOT of reasons, but I think I would still go 5MT also for a lot of reasons. Then again the SST has a lot of pros to it to...its a very confusing thing but I'm guna say 5MT lol

Id like to change my vote to the 5MT:)

In a perfect world, we could get MR with 6MT. THERE IS NO GOD!!!!

I just don't believe I can live with RPM's above 3000 RPM on the freeway any more. With the X even lower geared than the VIII, it's gotta be the 6-speed.

I have to say I am truly torn! At first, I was definitely going to wait for the MR's arrival so I could get the SST box, but that was before I saw the finalized MSRP, and frankly, that increase over the GSR's sticker is outrageous:mad:! I'm not sure the SST is going to be the box for me anymore...

the 5MT is better, especially if your gunna be racing the X. An auto just cant short-shift as well as a human can! Plus, why take the fun out of driving by going auto?

What are you talking about?!?! Every review has stated that the SST is as close to a formula 1 race car tranny as you can get! I highhhhhly doubt you can shift as quick or quicker than it. Just readddd the reviews on the MR.

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But I'd still go for the 5MT. ;)