I'm not one for the whole go green movement but I did hop on this.

Tomorrow Forced Performance will be shipping me the new GREEN turbo.
Its the one just a little smaller than the RED but with plenty of potential for a street car. You all have seen people talking about missing that down low grunt when switching over to the larger turbos. Well this is the Turbine that fills that hole :godance:

I spent over an hour talking to the owner of FP and his turbo tech. Once I got off the phone I was wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy excited that I got this opportunity for the first one.

Red = 60 LB/MIN
DOM 2.0 = 52 LB/MIN
Stock = 40 LB/MIN
DOM 2.5 = 47 LB/MIN

GREEN = 54 LB/MIN

So for me this is a really good fit and anxious to see what it can do when it gets here.:shades:

how much will it go far? and when will it hit the streets as far as mainstream production

Im sure this is going to be mass production. Price is probably similar to the Red

Congratulations!
Interested for results

Yeah I'm not sure since mine was a different deal but I'd say around $1300 or so from what I understand.

mm can`t wait for the results.. but.. holywood_x , don`t you have the regular red installed already?

cant wait to see numbers:))

Numbers numbers numbers

mm can`t wait for the results.. but.. holywood_x , don`t you have the regular red installed already?

Had it but had some unforseen issues that were fortunately covered under warrany, hence the reason I get the new Green. I will say he customer service at FP is top notch and theguys are quick to respond to questions, but do not jump to conclusions. Great people with awesome attitudes, my experience with them has soildified my faith in there work and how they run there business.

Had it but had some unforseen issues that were fortunately covered under warrany, hence the reason I get the new Green. I will say he customer service at FP is top notch and theguys are quick to respond to questions, but do not jump to conclusions. Great people with awesome attitudes, my experience with them has soildified my faith in there work and how they run there business.

would you share with us what issues did you have if you don`t mind?

All these new turbo options are tempting.. Green/BBK/Dom3. Makes decisions harder!

would you share with us what issues did you have if you don`t mind?

Had a little issue with a bearing caused some shaft play.
They are still looking into "Why" it happened but they said definately warranty work so they gave me a choice between the new Red or Green. So for me Green means Go :rock:

Like I said after dealing with their custom service now first hand, Im all for keeping my business with them.

nice can't wait to see your results and report on it!

nice I was wondering when this was going to come out. Congrats on the first, can['t wait to see the track times.

Hopefully the green costs closer to a grand, especially since you can get the Red for 1199

That would make me very happy, and quite possibly in the market for a turbo if that were the case.

I can't wait to see how this turbo performs, we need more options like this. I really want a larger turbo, but I don't want to sacrifice bottom end power as much as you have too with the current options that are out there.

Hmmmmmmmmmm

I can't wait to see how this turbo performs, we need more options like this. I really want a larger turbo, but I don't want to sacrifice bottom end power as much as you have too with the current options that are out there.

I will take mid-range power over top end any day for a daily driver and autoX car and some track applications. Drag racing a larger turbo is more beneficial as well as some track applications or if you just want a dynoqueen EVO X.

awesome, been waiting for the green. Can't wait to see the numbers and that curve hollywood.

Hopefully the green costs closer to a grand, especially since you can get the Red for 1199

Not anymore, that was so they could get rid of all the old versions now its $1399 for the Red.

What were the updates made to the FP Red on the new versions?

Sounds like the FP Green may be better matched to the stock Evo X Turbo housing and give better results on pump gas boost (~25-27 psi). My guess is that it should offer better low end torque in exchange for less top end than the FP Red although we won't know for sure until we see some numbers!

Definitely keep us in the loop, sounds like a good option for those wanting better response. I still haven't seen an explanation from Forced Performance themselves as to why the FP Red likes 30-35 psi of boost before really delivering on it's rated 60 lb/min internals.

Will the Green be direct bolt on? or no?

Yes is direct Bolton.

in for updates, and excited to see the numbers.

Looking forward to updates on this one!!

holywood, did fp tell you when do they want to start selling the green.. maybe christmas special..mmm .. or thanksgiving!! :D

Congrats man! Subscribed....can't wait to see some numbers and your feedback on this...also can't wait for xmas ;)

I will take mid-range power over top end any day for a daily driver and autoX car and some track applications. Drag racing a larger turbo is more beneficial as well as some track applications or if you just want a dynoqueen EVO X.

I agree 100%. I daily drive my car, and though I haven't tracked it yet I will. No drag racing for me, road racing and auto-x only so I want something with good response and low end power that is still better up top then the stocker. I hope this fits the bill. Even better, is that it is stock appearing and bolt-on.

Can`t wait to see pictures/results :)

I look forward to the results. You gonna run it at the track anytime soon?

I wish I'm heading to Alaska today for 2 weeks then I'm back in Idaho for 12 hours before hopping a plane to Miami then a cruise ship to Jamica for 5 days.
So me hitting a track in not going to happen I probably won't have the turbo installed until mid November.

dude you are all over the place lol

not gonna lie hollywood ur jobs pretty sick. I wish i was being forced to go on a cruise to jamaica for 5 days and getting paid!

Alaska is the job Jamica is a cruise I bought and paid for last year.
I have to take it now because my son is due on Nov 7th.
Long story but I also need the airline miles etc, so getting it all done in one shot.

damn you Justin lol. cant wait for next year. Its gonna be on!!

This looks like the "ideal" street turbo.
Numbers please.....:waiting:

is there a date on when this will be out? I didnt see it in the thread....

cant wait to see some numbers on this

Alaska is the job Jamica is a cruise I bought and paid for last year.
I have to take it now because my son is due on Nov 7th.
Long story but I also need the airline miles etc, so getting it all done in one shot.

Cool vacation. Where in Jamaica are you going to?

I was born and grew up in Jamaica.

If you're going on a Cruise you'll probably stop in Ocho Rios. Got to check out Duns River Falls. That's nice.

I'm more of a fan of Negril than Ocho Rios - located on the western tip of the island. Much more relaxing imho.

Hope you have lots of fun.

And here's a tip, don't buy stuff in the tourist shops, like Rum, Coffee etc. Go to the nearest Grocery store and pick stuff up there. Will be considerably cheaper than the tourist trap shops.

hope it responds well on pump gas

^only time will telll...

Sounds like it might be a good option to run on an MR.:waiting:

Duns River Falls. That's nice.

And here's a tip, don't buy stuff in the tourist shops, like Rum, Coffee etc. Go to the nearest Grocery store and pick stuff up there. Will be considerably cheaper than the tourist trap shops.

Ditto on Duns River falls, i haven't been since I was a child, but still remember.


And good advice on the purchase of gifts... prices are 500% more then if you go in a few miles to the city.


<< ----- Trini and Bajan guyy here.



I am also using this to subscribe ha!

Sounds like it might be a good option to run on an MR.:waiting:


Agreed. Want to see results to help me with my choice on turbos next spring.

Green should be a nice option for those who want the super fast response. I myself, outgrew my red, going GT35R HTA next!

Green should be a nice option for those who want the super fast response. I myself, outgrew my red, going GT35R HTA next!

I thought you wanted 500whp out of the red? Do you not think it will make that much?

I thought you wanted 500whp out of the red? Do you not think it will make that much?

According to FP the red can get up to 600.

Green should be a nice option for those who want the super fast response. I myself, outgrew my red, going GT35R HTA next!

Do I smell a red for sale soon? :dancebanana:

According to FP the red can get up to 600.

600whp?

600whp?

Has to be 600 crank, not wheel. :yeahthat:

Sounds about right, my tuner said the 8/9 reds made 460-470whp on his dyno (1.0CF dyno dynamics) which is about 600 crank.

I have yet to see a 10 red do that though.

Anyone know when this will actually be available from FP? Green sounds like a perfect turbo for my DD EVO X MR!

Anyone know when this will actually be available from FP? Green sounds like a perfect turbo for my DD EVO X MR!

It should be up on their website in the next week or so from what I understand. The one they are building for me I think is the one they are using for pictures when its done.

well arent you lucky lol

if this turbo goes for $1K, i'm game :D

if this turbo goes for $1K, i'm game :D

Agreed! Really hoping for that $999.99 price point!

Agreed! Really hoping for that $999.99 price point!

group buy for $800 (10 people min) lol

Since the Green is 1300- 1700 for the IX. I doubt it will be 1k for the X.

I don't see the price going that low;
THe FP Red for the X is $1400 again because of the new model. They had the sale (FP Red for $1199) to get all the old models off the shelf and make room for the new versions with the upgraded anti surge housing and 3" inlet.

So since the FP Red for the 9's is $1800 and the Green for them is $1700 then taking in account the Red for the X is $1400.... Do you see where I'm going with this?
Also keep in mind the Green is really matched closest with the Dom 2.0 and its around $1300.

still need to find out what exactly has changed in the new FPRed...before i make any quick decisions, plus im planning to convert to E85 in the future...so the New Red might be a better way to go...i dunno...

Anyone know when this will actually be available from FP? Green sounds like a perfect turbo for my DD EVO X MR!

I talked to one of the techs at FP yesterday about an FP Red for my Evo X MR and after telling him what I wanted to do he said they just came out with an FP Green which will spool 200-300rpm's quicker than the FP Red support about 450HP and they are available if you would like to place an order.

I have been emailing FP about the "new" red.

They said nothing has changed, it was simply a sale, so its the same red, they said nothing is wrong with it.

I have been emailing FP about the "new" red.

They said nothing has changed, it was simply a sale, so its the same red, they said nothing is wrong with it.

hmmm...i was about to say that sucks if i got the Red on sale which has problems....i haven't had any problems yet.

either it was "just a sale"...or there was a problem but no one was supposed to know about and hollywood just slipped :duh:

I would like to see a comparison of specs for the FP green vs CBRD BBK.

hmmm...i was about to say that sucks if i got the Red on sale which has problems....i haven't had any problems yet.

either it was "just a sale"...or there was a problem but no one was supposed to know about and hollywood just slipped :duh:

Not sure if this will help you or not but I was told the FP Green for the Evo X has similar if not he same specs as the FP Green for the Evo 9

I have been emailing FP about the "new" red.

They said nothing has changed, it was simply a sale, so its the same red, they said nothing is wrong with it.

Maybe you didn't ask the right question.
Technicallly yes the internal configuration has not changed but it does have the anti sure housing and 3" inlet. I'll get back with them today when I check the progression on my Green.

hmmm...i was about to say that sucks if i got the Red on sale which has problems....i haven't had any problems yet.

either it was "just a sale"...or there was a problem but no one was supposed to know about and hollywood just slipped :duh:

No the issue I had was an internal one and the changes are external. :shades:

group buy for $800 (10 people min) lol

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Waiting for the Evo X FP Green $800 group buy
:coffee:

FP Green Group Buy $800 shipped
1.) Howiewowie
2.) Inner Control
3.) 08MR
4.)
5.)

Lmao jk I wish...

Waiting for the Evo X FP Green $800 group buy
:coffee:


going to be waiting a LONG time! lol

$800 for group buy? I take 2 :evillaugh:
A spare one for my future KTM250.....

Hop on the list guys lol

Thats some VERY wishful thinking, the stocker is $995 on their site lol

Thats some VERY wishful thinking, the stocker is $995 on their site lol

Pppfffffffffbbhhttt lol

Yea you guys are really reaching there, good luck. I would get on it if that was really the price.

going to be waiting a LONG time! lol

You've got that right

My friend runs a FP green on his 07 STi. It's a torque monster. Then when his engine blew he rebuilt everything and it became even more of a monster.

My friend runs a FP green on his 07 STi. It's a torque monster. Then when his engine blew he rebuilt everything and it became even more of a monster.

If you don't mind me asking, How did he blow it?

If you don't mind me asking, How did he blow it?

I dunno. I never asked. He has a thread somewhere on some forum. I'll try to find it. He did street race EVERYONE all the time, so I'm guessing that had something to do with it.

He just said why lol.. it was a subbie... I kid I kid.

Can anyone answer this question:
Currently my Evo X MR with an HKS Drop-In Filter, HKS Legamax CBE and a Cobb AccessPORT is making 312HP/292TQ. Since this is my daily driver I wanted to keep in quiet (hence the HKS Legamax CBE) and stock appearing (in case I need to visit the dealer for more recalls etc. I could just uninstall the Cobb AP) but still fun to drive everyday. With that being said my goal is to make about 325-350whp (similar to the output of the FQ400 in the UK) would it be possible to install/tune the FP Green reusing the stock fuel system? Thanks in advance for the information.

I dunno. I never asked. He has a thread somewhere on some forum. I'll try to find it. He did street race EVERYONE all the time, so I'm guessing that had something to do with it.

Thanks. No need to look for the thread, that pretty much answers it.

Can anyone answer this question:
Currently my Evo X MR with an HKS Drop-In Filter, HKS Legamax CBE and a Cobb AccessPORT is making 312HP/292TQ. Since this is my daily driver I wanted to keep in quiet (hence the HKS Legamax CBE) and stock appearing (in case I need to visit the dealer for more recalls etc. I could just uninstall the Cobb AP) but still fun to drive everyday. With that being said my goal is to make about 325-350whp (similar to the output of the FQ400 in the UK) would it be possible to install/tune the FP Green reusing the stock fuel system? Thanks in advance for the information.

The stock fuel system maxes out at a little over 400whp on a dynojet I think, so you should be fine. Assuming pump gas.

The stock fuel system maxes out at a little over 400whp on a dynojet I think, so you should be fine. Assuming pump gas.

Thanks. Good to know. As far as the gas I use 93 Octane pump gas all the time and wanted to make sure I could get a safe tune without stressing the stock fuel system i.e. injectors spraying correctly without over doing the duty cycle and pump keeping up.

The stock fuel system maxes out at a little over 400whp on a dynojet I think, so you should be fine. Assuming pump gas.

:yeahthat:

Thanks. Good to know. As far as the gas I use 93 Octane pump gas all the time and wanted to make sure I could get a safe tune without stressing the stock fuel system i.e. injectors spraying correctly without over doing the duty cycle and pump keeping up.

Like I said, I think you will be alright, ETS got up to 420 on the stock fuel system before they hit any problems.

Like I said, I think you will be alright, ETS got up to 420 on the stock fuel system before they hit any problems.

Right I remember the vid where they made 422whp before they started to see it leaning out on top

Right I remember the vid where they made 422whp before they started to see it leaning out on top
toss on some meth/water injection for an added layer of protection =)

Can anyone answer this question:
Currently my Evo X MR with an HKS Drop-In Filter, HKS Legamax CBE and a Cobb AccessPORT is making 312HP/292TQ. Since this is my daily driver I wanted to keep in quiet (hence the HKS Legamax CBE) and stock appearing (in case I need to visit the dealer for more recalls etc. I could just uninstall the Cobb AP) but still fun to drive everyday. With that being said my goal is to make about 325-350whp (similar to the output of the FQ400 in the UK) would it be possible to install/tune the FP Green reusing the stock fuel system? Thanks in advance for the information.

Yes and since the green looks like the stock turbo it would really be hard for the dealer ship to notice. I would however suggest at least having the stock injectors re-sized to 700 or 750cc so you can get the most from the turbo and keep the IDC's down for longevity.

so what are the advantages of getting the green over stock? What is the stock turbo lacking that the green will fix? Holding boost up top?

Or is the green just a faster spooling red that will make a little less power and be more responsive?

so what are the advantages of getting the green over stock? What is the stock turbo lacking that the green will fix? Holding boost up top?

Or is the green just a faster spooling red that will make a little less power and be more responsive?

From what I was told the FP Green supports 450HP and spools 200-300 rpm's faster than the FP Red which will support 500+HP. I'm not 100% sure what the lbs/min are on the stock Evo X Turbo but the FP Green is 54lbs/min (FP Red is 60lbs/min). My assumption would be since the FP Green flows more lbs/min than the stock turbo you can tune the car to make more power running the same or lower boost keeping the turbo in its efficiency range vs trying to make power by turning the boost up on a stock turbo and taking it out of its efficiency range and just squeezing hot air into the intake.

Stock is around 40-42lbs/min.

So if the Green is 54lb/min, then you should theoretically be able to get roughly 25-30% more power without sacrificing spool too much.

Awesome, that is exactly what i want....I think FP green is gonna be my turbo. My main focus is daily driving. I wanted quickest spool with the best power band.

next question is, i understand that kelford stg 1 cams are good for the stock turbo and stg 2 cams are good for larger turbos? Which cams do you think will be good for this turbo? Thx for the info.

Awesome, that is exactly what i want....I think FP green is gonna be my turbo. My main focus is daily driving. I wanted quickest spool with the best power band.

next question is, i understand that kelford stg 1 cams are good for the stock turbo and stg 2 cams are good for larger turbos? Which cams do you think will be good for this turbo? Thx for the info.

stage 1 will be perfect for this turbo...especially since you where talking about daily driving...they will give you the best power range and go well with the green.

Awesome, that is exactly what i want....I think FP green is gonna be my turbo. My main focus is daily driving. I wanted quickest spool with the best power band.

next question is, i understand that kelford stg 1 cams are good for the stock turbo and stg 2 cams are good for larger turbos? Which cams do you think will be good for this turbo? Thx for the info.

This is my goal as well " My main focus is daily driving. I wanted quickest spool with the best power band." I'm not building a drag car to commute to and from work with. Also having an Evo X MR I'm trying to keep it safe without having to do the clutch pack yet, So my WHP goal is to make similar power that is currently being made on the Evo X FQ400. It looks like the used a little larger turbo, injectors and remapped the ECU using EcuTek to make 403hp/387tq at the crank which I'm guessing is about 320-340whp/310-320wtq estimating 17-20% drivetrain loss.

This is my goal as well " My main focus is daily driving. I wanted quickest spool with the best power band." I'm not building a drag car to commute to and from work with. Also having an Evo X MR I'm trying to keep it safe without having to do the clutch pack yet, So my WHP goal is to make similar power that is currently being made on the Evo X FQ400. It looks like the used a little larger turbo, injectors and remapped the ECU using EcuTek to make 403hp/387tq at the crank which I'm guessing is about 320-340whp/310-320wtq estimating 17-20% drivetrain loss.

For really quick spool and a little more power "Like the FQ400" you could go with the Dom 2.5 its more around the area your talking about.

As for stomping a FQ400, then the FP GREEN or Dom 2.0 is more what you want.

For really quick spool and a little more power "Like the FQ400" you could go with the Dom 2.5 its more around the area your talking about.

As for stomping a FQ400, then the FP GREEN or Dom 2.0 is more what you want.

I like the FP Green they use a new stock Mitsu turbo with the part #'s on it and everything so from the outside it looks factory unless you take it apart and measure the blades inside.

I see a lot of people calling and talking to FP about the new Green. Yet I havent heard a price yet! How much?

I see a lot of people calling and talking to FP about the new Green. Yet I havent heard a price yet! How much?

I talked to FP yesterday and was told that the FP Green is $1,399 available and will be added to the FP website over the weekend.

I talked to FP yesterday and was told that the FP Green is $1,399 available and will be added to the FP website over the weekend.
So it'll be the same price as the Red... odd.

So it'll be the same price as the Red... odd.

Yes and eventually the price of the FP Red increase.

1.399 seems like a good price, they did include a anti surge housing and 3" inlet so it makes sense. Im going to keep a close eye on this turbo, may be what im looking for.

yea, I was intrigued when I heard about it, so I called them and got one shipped out. Will be here next Wednesday. Not sure if I will get it in before or after SEMA though, I'll let you know how it does on my car.:shades:

FP need to get on here and do a first 5 customer deal or a 10 customer group buy around christmas time, give us some time to save up!!! i would say $1100
cuz i want one!!!

congrats! keep us updated

I thought you wanted 500whp out of the red? Do you not think it will make that much?
I am getting too much surging in 5th gear and want more pump 93 octane power so I'm going over to the 35R HTA. ETS is making me a manifold

He just said why lol.. it was a subbie... I kid I kid.

:pokeowned:

so when can we expect some numbers and pricing?

How bout first 10 customers

I talked to FP yesterday and was told that the FP Green is $1,399 available and will be added to the FP website over the weekend.

Overpriced...

Maybe 1199.99...1399.99 ported and polished! :wtfsign:

I talked to FP yesterday and was told that the FP Green is $1,399 available and will be added to the FP website over the weekend.

so when can we expect some numbers and pricing?

wow that is a little pricy

wow that is a little pricy

Where could someone find an aftermarket turbo good for 100+ extra horsepower for less than $1400? The only thing I can think of is the dealers that were selling the Dom 2.0 for $1299 since FP ended their sale. The guys with the 8' and 9's are paying $1500 - $1700 for the same performance parts, I think we got it pretty good personally.

Its not often you'll see the deal on turbos like they just did on the Reds for $1199. That was a damn amazing deal really.

Where could someone find an aftermarket turbo good for 100+ extra horsepower for less than $1400? The only thing I can think of is the dealers that were selling the Dom 2.0 for $1299 since FP ended their sale. The guys with the 8' and 9's are paying $1500 - $1700 for the same performance parts, I think we got it pretty good personally.

Its not often you'll see the deal on turbos like they just did on the Reds for $1199. That was a damn amazing deal really.
Gotta pay to play.

You're right, the day you made this thread I checked the FP site. Evo 8/9 guys pay a lot more for the FP Red/Green/White then we do.

Gotta pay to play.

You're right, the day you made this thread I checked the FP site. Evo 8/9 guys pay a lot more for the FP Red/Green/White then we do.

SO y do they pay more?

SO y do they pay more?
I couldnt tell you, its just an observation, I made on the FP site.
I think we're lucky
IIRC the Evo 8/9 Red costs $1749, compared to our 1399-1499

$1400? no thanks, at least not now...ill stick to the stock turbo for a while...

$1400? no thanks, at least not now...ill stick to the stock turbo for a while...
Ive been playing with the idea, of getting the most out of the stock turbo.
I really want to break 400awhp with the stock turbo (It may be impossible but allow me to Dream :P)

Ive been playing with the idea, of getting the most out of the stock turbo.
I really want to break 400awhp with the stock turbo (It may be impossible but allow me to Dream :P)

I think its possible ;)

Even on pump...

With this said...it prolly ain't gonna happen without some pnp work...and 400 whp is prolly pushing it to the very brink of what's possible on the stocker...

I think its possible ;)

Even on pump...

With this said...it prolly ain't gonna happen without some pnp work...and 400 whp is prolly pushing it to the very brink of what's possible on the stocker...


All depends on who's Dyno you run on to.
As far as making 400 on the stocker I am sure its possiable but gonna be expensive compared to just doing the turbo really. The one thing you gain with a turbo upgrade vs. other bolt ons is the fact you can sell your stock turbo for like $500 so its not as expensive as it sounds.

^I agree....it will be more expensive to go the stocker route...
And yes....depending on what kind of dyno you use...
Its possible....but just remember...at what price ;)

Maybe I'll give in and get the Green...
Green + Meth should be nice.

Maybe I'll give in and get the Green...
Green + Meth should be nice.

I'll tell you how nice here soon :rock:

I'm tentatively planning to have mine installed the week of the 19th. Hopefully installed a tuned by the weekend.:thumbup: I am curious to hear your feedback Hollywood and maybe compare notes on set up to see what is working best. I'm planning to stick to pump gas(at least initially) and not porting.

I still don't see the green being avaliable for the X on fp's web site.

I still don't see the green being avaliable for the X on fp's web site.

I talked to the owner today about that,, he said he is working on it.
Also mine showed up today :coffee: I can't wait to put it in holla

From the sounds of it they have shipped of a multitude of the new versions of the Red and a couple more of the Greens. So they are for sale just not on the site just yet :freak:

Also mine showed up today

:ttiwwp:

DYNO PLOT NOW!!! :whipping:

:ttiwwp:

I'll get the woman to take some, I'm in Alaska and its at home with her.
If I was anywhere close to it the install would be done :amen:

Atta boy, gotta keep the forum hounds at bay :shades:

I asked FP, they said there is no difference in FP reds now.

If they told you there is a difference, what is it??

Thanks for input:)

I asked FP, they said there is no difference in FP reds now.

If they told you there is a difference, what is it??

Thanks for input:)

K I just hung up with the owner and the guy who builds the turbos.
The "NEW" Reds and Greens are coming with the 3" inlets and the anti surge style housings. Its new to their CNC process and wasn't on the other turbos built before two weeks or so ago.

So what the anti-surge housing supposed to do? What is surging anyways?

So what the anti-surge housing supposed to do? What is surging anyways?

Turbocharged engines operating at wide open throttle and high rpm require a large volume of air to flow between the turbo and the inlet of the engine. When the throttle is closed compressed air will flow to the throttle valve without an exit (i.e. the air has nowhere to go).
This causes a surge which can raise the pressure of the air to a level which can damage the turbo. If the pressure rises high enough, a compressor stall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressor_stall) will occur, where the stored pressurized air decompresses backwards across the impeller and out the inlet. The reverse flow back across the turbocharger causes the turbine shaft to reduce in speed quicker than it would naturally, possibly damaging the turbocharger. In order to prevent this from happening, a valve is fitted between the turbo and inlet which vents off the excess air pressure. These are known as an anti-surge, diverter, bypass, blow-off valve(BOV) or dump valve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dump_valve). It is basically a pressure relief valve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_relief_valve), and is normally operated by the excess pressure in the intake manifold.
The primary use of this valve is to maintain the turbo spinning at a high speed. The air is usually recycled back into the turbo inlet but can also be vented to the atmosphere. Recycling back into the turbocharger inlet is required on an engine that uses a mass-airflow fuel injection system, because dumping the excessive air overboard downstream of the mass airflow sensor will cause an excessively rich fuel mixture (this is because the mass-airflow sensor has already accounted for the extra air which is no longer being used). A dump valve will also shorten the time needed to re-spool the turbo after sudden engine deceleration.

Turbocharged engines operating at wide open throttle and high rpm require a large volume of air to flow between the turbo and the inlet of the engine. When the throttle is closed compressed air will flow to the throttle valve without an exit (i.e. the air has nowhere to go).
This causes a surge which can raise the pressure of the air to a level which can damage the turbo. If the pressure rises high enough, a compressor stall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressor_stall) will occur, where the stored pressurized air decompresses backwards across the impeller and out the inlet. The reverse flow back across the turbocharger causes the turbine shaft to reduce in speed quicker than it would naturally, possibly damaging the turbocharger. In order to prevent this from happening, a valve is fitted between the turbo and inlet which vents off the excess air pressure. These are known as an anti-surge, diverter, bypass, blow-off valve(BOV) or dump valve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dump_valve). It is basically a pressure relief valve (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_relief_valve), and is normally operated by the excess pressure in the intake manifold.
The primary use of this valve is to maintain the turbo spinning at a high speed. The air is usually recycled back into the turbo inlet but can also be vented to the atmosphere. Recycling back into the turbocharger inlet is required on an engine that uses a mass-airflow fuel injection system, because dumping the excessive air overboard downstream of the mass airflow sensor will cause an excessively rich fuel mixture (this is because the mass-airflow sensor has already accounted for the extra air which is no longer being used). A dump valve will also shorten the time needed to re-spool the turbo after sudden engine deceleration.

That is a different type of surge :duh: lol
Not the reason for the turbo to be Surge ported

That is a different type of surge :duh: lol
Not the reason for the turbo to be Surge ported

Just did a quick google to show the basics on surge, didn't have time to get too in depth.

...im listening...

so basically you're saying if im gonna get an FP Red, get the NEW one?

In order to understand how an 'anti-surge' compressor housing works (which is technically a 'ported shroud'), you need understand what surge is, in the first place.

Surge: The 'Surge Line' is the leftmost boundary of a compressor map. This is where flow instability occurs - This is where the compressor wheel is spinning at a high enough speed to force more air than the engine can injest. On initial thought, one might think this would just give you more pressure in the intake - and this is true, as long as you are on the compressor map. Basically, the surge line is the MINIMUM airflow needed to keep the pressure from backing up, and causing reverse flow pressure waves - these are INCREDIBLY damaging to the turbocharger!

Follow that thought a little further - when are you constantly seeing high flow of air, but little entering the intake? That's right, when you get off the throttle from boosting. This surging is what a BOV protects the turbo from. You also see this, if you have attempt to spin a compressor wheel such that it is forcing more air into the intake than the engine can take - or attempting to get more boost per rpm of the compressor wheel, than it is designed for.

That said, the ported shroud allows the surge line to be moved further left - this is because the compressor housing allows some of the air that starts to get backed up in the intake, to flow back out the housing.

Here's a pic from Garrett:

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8144&stc=1&d=1255482323

Or if I wanted to be a d*ck,
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=anti+surge+shroud

k thx guyz, understanding this stuff is very helpful :)

k thx guyz, understanding this stuff is very helpful :)

Here's something else for you. The surge is happening on these two maps when the owner uses high throttle position with low rpm/high load. Note, it's different for each turbo (this is from 1.9TDI w/variable vane turbo), just giving a reference for better sa.

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8145&stc=1&d=1255483092
http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8146&stc=1&d=1255483092

Here is what it looks and sounds like in action;
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/True-Turbo-Compressor_163406.htm

so if im understanding this correct...the older versions of the fpreds have this issue and the newer ones eliminates the turbo surge? damn that's pretty skurry

so if im understanding this correct...the older versions of the fpreds have this issue and the newer ones eliminates the turbo surge? damn that's pretty skurry

All turbos have this issue depending n how they are tuned. You can make the stock turbo do this if you drop the rpms in 5th gear to 2000 and punch the throttle. It can also happen if you get the cam timing off and lug the car. Its not a problems with the old Reds its just something they added as an additional measure.

k...that might make my decision a lil bit easier...i just might stick to getting an FP Red in the future (new one that is) since i think this is gonna favor/benefit from an E-85 set up.

The Green has arrived.:rock: For those of you wanting pictures. Not really anything special to see really, but good to know progress is being made

Hope to install next week...just waiting on injectors to show up now.:mad:

nice!!! I'm really interested in the spool different between stock/green. Are there any visual differences like a nameplate on the green? Just curious.

yea i bet it wil performe nicley. But it still take the red 24+ psi to make 400whp. So i wonder how much boost this thing will take and i wonder how much better it will performe then the stocker.

like i said, i made 370 and 360tq by 4k and the power help steady. the TQ dropped off a little, but that it. and that was stock motor + meth and 29-30psi. so we shall see. stock turbo of course.

nice!!! I'm really interested in the spool different between stock/green. Are there any visual differences like a nameplate on the green? Just curious.

There is an FP etching over the stock etchings

The Green has arrived.:rock: For those of you wanting pictures. Not really anything special to see really, but good to know progress is being made

Hope to install next week...just waiting on injectors to show up now.:mad:

Since your on top of yours and will be playing with it for a few days. Can you get some good pictures of the new inlet, and then take it off to get some pics of the surge porting for eveyone.

i hope this turbo surprises me with the results *crosses fingers*

Since your on top of yours and will be playing with it for a few days. Can you get some good pictures of the new inlet, and then take it off to get some pics of the surge porting for eveyone.

I tried to get some of the new inlet and the flash was bleaching out some angles and close ups, but I will try again. Wife took the "good" camera and I was stuck with an old one.:wallbash:

I couldnt tell you, its just an observation, I made on the FP site.
I think we're lucky
IIRC the Evo 8/9 Red costs $1749, compared to our 1399-1499


The CT9A FP Reds are a different spec. They are actually bigger turbos. The only thing common about them is the name.

The red for the 9 is the same aero as the red for the X, same 76mm HTA compressor wheel and same huge 67mm turbine wheel also, the X benefits from a slightly larger 12cm exh housing (evo9 is a 10.5), so it technically has a exhale advantage over the 9 models.

The Green in both the 9 and the X is a 73mm HTA wheel with a smaller 65mm turbine to get faster spool and throttle response.

76mm HTA mass flow is 60lb/min
73mm HTA mass flow is 54lb/min
stock EVOX mass flow is 42lb/min (should be 400whp capable, dunno why they arent running that yet on stock turbo)

The surge ports evolved from the big inlet idea really, we wanted to eliminate the small inlet elbow on the EVOX, so we cast a new one with 3" inlet diamter and huge internal cavity, at that time we realized that we "could" fit ports into the housing, so we did. With dual MIVEC cam control it is much easier to setup intake system harmonics and setoff a surge condition at low engine speed and high boost than earler engines without such camshaft control.

All these features are now integrated into the 3" inlet Green and Reds for the EVOX.


Booston!

Robert

:yeahthat:

Nice to have you chime in Robert. Now we know we will have the correct information flying around here.

You can also tell all the green haters it is possible to get 480hp on a IX:rock:

The red for the 9 is the same aero as the red for the X, same 76mm HTA compressor wheel and same huge 67mm turbine wheel also, the X benefits from a slightly larger 12cm exh housing (evo9 is a 10.5), so it technically has a exhale advantage over the 9 models.

The Green in both the 9 and the X is a 73mm HTA wheel with a smaller 65mm turbine to get faster spool and throttle response.

76mm HTA mass flow is 60lb/min
73mm HTA mass flow is 54lb/min
stock EVOX mass flow is 42lb/min (should be 400whp capable, dunno why they arent running that yet on stock turbo)

The surge ports evolved from the big inlet idea really, we wanted to eliminate the small inlet elbow on the EVOX, so we cast a new one with 3" inlet diamter and huge internal cavity, at that time we realized that we "could" fit ports into the housing, so we did. With dual MIVEC cam control it is much easier to setup intake system harmonics and setoff a surge condition at low engine speed and high boost than earler engines without such camshaft control.

All these features are now integrated into the 3" inlet Green and Reds for the EVOX.


Booston!

Robert

Thanks :thumbup:

Just so the rest of you know Robert owns FP.

So in other words, the X should be capable of hitting the same numbers as the 9's on the Red?

In theory anyway? I ask because we know the 4b11t is a more efficient motor and with the same turbo should make more power than the 9's. So in theory the X's should be hitting better numbers but i guess i don't think enough people have tried yet?

So in other words, the X should be capable of hitting the same numbers as the 9's on the Red?

In theory anyway? I ask because we know the 4b11t is a more efficient motor and with the same turbo should make more power than the 9's. So in theory the X's should be hitting better numbers but i guess i don't think enough people have tried yet?

i tried my hardest to hit 400whp on stock turbo and stock motor. but i never tunned the car with any sort of datalogging. we just followed the graph to look for obvoius knock. I dont know that i would of been able to squeeze 30 more whp out of my setup, but i bet i could of gotten 10-15 more. And it was one nasty street car.

The red for the 9 is the same aero as the red for the X, same 76mm HTA compressor wheel and same huge 67mm turbine wheel also, the X benefits from a slightly larger 12cm exh housing (evo9 is a 10.5), so it technically has a exhale advantage over the 9 models.

The Green in both the 9 and the X is a 73mm HTA wheel with a smaller 65mm turbine to get faster spool and throttle response.

76mm HTA mass flow is 60lb/min
73mm HTA mass flow is 54lb/min
stock EVOX mass flow is 42lb/min (should be 400whp capable, dunno why they arent running that yet on stock turbo)

The surge ports evolved from the big inlet idea really, we wanted to eliminate the small inlet elbow on the EVOX, so we cast a new one with 3" inlet diamter and huge internal cavity, at that time we realized that we "could" fit ports into the housing, so we did. With dual MIVEC cam control it is much easier to setup intake system harmonics and setoff a surge condition at low engine speed and high boost than earler engines without such camshaft control.

All these features are now integrated into the 3" inlet Green and Reds for the EVOX.


Booston!

Robert

Wow, thanks for the info Rob!

Very nice

The Green might be the way to go for me also. Can't wait to see the results.

robert,

excellent write-up. i get it(thats an accomplishemnt).

.....group buy?......

thank you,

mike o

robert,

excellent write-up. i get it(thats an accomplishemnt).

.....group buy?......

thank you,

mike o

Since FP isn't an approved vendor here (at least I don't think they are as of now) you would have better luck contacting one of them such as MAP or calling Robert direct. If he were to post something on here about a group buy it would by quickly locked or deleted by the moderators.

Thanks for the questions guys, but I cant keep up the forums that easily. I am normally in my office available to answer questions, it is much easier for me that way. I just signed up to handle some questions that I kept getting asked repeatedly that I thought a lot of people might want to hear about. I just wanted to get you guys some of the answers you were looking for :)

R

Since FP isn't an approved vendor here (at least I don't think they are as of now) you would have better luck contacting one of them such as MAP or calling Robert direct. If he were to post something on here about a group buy it would by quickly locked or deleted by the moderators.

DOTE! which was why i was the first to suggest a group buy. damn noobs.

MAP is awesome. i work with dave when i do business there. they were the first company that came to mind.

Hollywood X, when do you plan to install and tune this thing? I can't wait to see the results.

Hollywood X, when do you plan to install and tune this thing? I can't wait to see the results.

I am hoping to just as soon as I get done traveling. I have some testing obligations to meet for some companies so when I get the hardware for that in and some time I will take a couple ofs hours to install then tuning will start. I am thinking this will all happen in the first week on November.

Hi hollywood_X, I can't wait to hear your review on the green....It's between that and the Dom 2.0 for me.

Hollywood X, when do you plan to install and tune this thing? I can't wait to see the results.
Good work !
Very cool, looking great so far. Keep going, I wanna see it finished! :shades:

Update:
Dropped her off to get the green installed today.:rock:

Should have it tuned and dynoed by the weekend.:godance:

Update:
Dropped her off to get the green installed today.:rock:

Should have it tuned and dynoed by the weekend.:godance:

Werd, look forward to seeing the results

Update:
Dropped her off to get the green installed today.:rock:

Should have it tuned and dynoed by the weekend.:godance:

Niiceeeeeeeeeee

Please write a review if you can. Are you getting any transmission upgrades? Look forward to results as I am doing either dom 2.0 or fp green on my MR next spring.

I'm liking the stats on the green right now, still waiting to hear the ARMS and BBK stats and numbers, which ever can get me to 500-550awhp with the least amount of lag I'm in ;)

I'm liking the stats on the green right now, still waiting to hear the ARMS and BBK stats and numbers, which ever can get me to 500-550awhp with the least amount of lag I'm in ;)

500+ whp MR :rock:

You must take me for a ride if you accomplish this haha.

you got it, and it'll happen, just getting all the supporting mods out of the way ;)

you got it, and it'll happen, just getting all the supporting mods out of the way ;)

neither the dom2 or FP green will get you to 500awhp, even on a dynojet. The FPred for the X with the results shown have had a hard time getting close to 500awhp even on E85. So you are going to have to think bigger I am thinking.

I am just looking for the setup that will get me the best blend of top end power, with not too high of a reduction of bottom end on 91 octane.

neither the dom2 or FP green will get you to 500awhp, even on a dynojet. The FPred for the X with the results shown have had a hard time getting close to 500awhp even on E85. So you are going to have to think bigger I am thinking.

Yea, I would agree the green will have a tough time getting anywhere close to 500awhp. I think the green has potential for 450 max at least here on this dyno on pump gas. The red should be able to get 500awhp on pump gas, again on this dyno and climate. Here is my brief write up for what my car did on the green.

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21514

I'm liking the stats on the green right now, still waiting to hear the ARMS and BBK stats and numbers, which ever can get me to 500-550awhp with the least amount of lag I'm in ;)

When is the ARMS supposed to come out?

Keep us posted on the install.

Keep us posted on the install.

Not sure if you were looking for Hollywood's install, but though I'd give a few days of driving update. My car is still running great, couldn't be more happy with it. I love that I can hear the turbo spool up way more than I could with the stocker. The increase in how quick it spools and accelerates still surprises me every time I take off from a stand still or just rolling along.

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21514

When is the ARMS supposed to come out?

Not sure, but I'm hoping big things from it, thought the BBK is looking good too, I like all the options avail now we need numbers on them all ;)

When is the ARMS supposed to come out?

IIRC the ARMS wasn't too hot on the IX platform. It was okay, but the CBRD BBK was a huge hit.

When is the ARMS supposed to come out?

i'm betting on SEMA 2009!

500whp
on pump on a real dyno will be very near impossible on a stock frame turbo my red made 451@ 25psi on E85 (maxxed out the 1000's)

i think if i run 30+ psi i can make 500-550 but again this is on E85

the exhaust manifold sucks, the intake manifold is tiny,...... i could go on and on

500 whp is also "pipe dream" for anyone who wants a streetable spool. I have a red and yea its great for the track but when i drive stock turbo cars around after tunes i have much more fun.

That being said our car will have a HTA3586 next season. :yay:

I'm debating if I really need to upgrade the fuel system to run this turbo on MR, what is the maximum horsepower that stock injectors can support up to?

500whp
on pump on a real dyno will be very near impossible on a stock frame turbo my red made 451@ 25psi on E85 (maxxed out the 1000's)

i think if i run 30+ psi i can make 500-550 but again this is on E85

the exhaust manifold sucks, the intake manifold is tiny,...... i could go on and on

500 whp is also "pipe dream" for anyone who wants a streetable spool. I have a red and yea its great for the track but when i drive stock turbo cars around after tunes i have much more fun.

That being said our car will have a HTA3586 next season. :yay:

Is it more fun because mid range power feels a lot more better then power up top? I can't decide whether or not to go with a green or a red. My goal is to make girls panties wet lol.

500whp
on pump on a real dyno will be very near impossible on a stock frame turbo my red made 451@ 25psi on E85 (maxxed out the 1000's)

i think if i run 30+ psi i can make 500-550 but again this is on E85

the exhaust manifold sucks, the intake manifold is tiny,...... i could go on and on

500 whp is also "pipe dream" for anyone who wants a streetable spool. I have a red and yea its great for the track but when i drive stock turbo cars around after tunes i have much more fun.

That being said our car will have a HTA3586 next season. :yay:

Oh man . why do I have the feeling that I've been had by an INTERNET FRIEND ?!?!?!?! :bowlol:
:jedi:

How's the green or the CBRD compared to the one you 'had' previously ??

Is it more fun because mid range power feels a lot more better then power up top? I can't decide whether or not to go with a green or a red. My goal is to make girls panties wet lol.

Buy a Ferrari... :D

Buy a Ferrari... :D

based on statistics, the rumble from a V8 maserati wets the panty more than the highpitch roar of the ferrari :D

based on statistics, the rumble from a V8 maserati wets the panty more than the highpitch roar of the ferrari :D

Why not... any of those are a pussy magnet... EVO........not soooo much....


personally... I would buy a Austin Martin DBS cause it is way better looking than any Ferrari or Maserati.

Why not... any of those are a pussy magnet... EVO........not soooo much....


personally... I would buy a Austin Martin DBS cause it is way better looking than any Ferrari or Maserati.

+1 to the DBS or I'll settle for the DB9.

Has anyone else installed this turbo yet?

I will hopefully be installing mine before the end of the month:rock:

Has anyone else installed this turbo yet?

Installed it yesterday, and started tuning / experimenting today.
Ive still got to crunch the data but its safe to say this would be the stock turbo on steroids. This thing leaps out and just fing pulls. Not like the Red above 5k @ 30 psi but if your not running your Red @ 30 this turbo @ 25psi will walk it. So much power across the entire band, not just up top.

I experimented with several different ranges of boost and compared. First was peak of 25 holding to 24 @ 7500 rpm redline. This had the most horsepower up top and was so smooth but still pinned you to your seat. In addition I could run way more timing than normal. The more I increased boost my top end would suffer but I would pick up a ton of torque. Now all I have to do is find the balance I want. Ill have a more in depth write up later hopefully with some graphs for comparison.

BTW for me this turbo is way better than the Red, plus the new nozzle and anti surge housing allow me to run 3" all the way to the turbo and I don't get the surge like my Red had when its lugging a bit. Just instant power. :rock:

videos!!!!

i can't wait to get some numbers and more reviews because i do think i will go with this turbo maybe sooner than expected

Good stuff! are you running their 18psi wga or have you got a Forge unit on the turbo to hold that kind of boost?

Installed it yesterday, and started tuning / experimenting today.
Ive still got to crunch the data but its safe to say this would be the stock turbo on steroids. This thing leaps out and just fing pulls. Not like the Red above 5k @ 30 psi but if your not running your Red @ 30 this turbo @ 25psi will walk it. So much power across the entire band, not just up top.

I experimented with several different ranges of boost and compared. First was peak of 25 holding to 24 @ 7500 rpm redline. This had the most horsepower up top and was so smooth but still pinned you to your seat. In addition I could run way more timing than normal. The more I increased boost my top end would suffer but I would pick up a ton of torque. Now all I have to do is find the balance I want. Ill have a more in depth write up later hopefully with some graphs for comparison.

BTW for me this turbo is way better than the Red, plus the new nozzle and anti surge housing allow me to run 3" all the way to the turbo and I don't get the surge like my Red had when its lugging a bit. Just instant power. :rock:

So when am I going to get a ride in this beast my friend? Ill be at the autoX in Boise this Sunday. Maybe then?

nice! sounds like the Green is what I'm wanting b/c idk how long my internals will last at 30lbs on a red.

Good stuff! are you running their 18psi wga or have you got a Forge unit on the turbo to hold that kind of boost?

Forge with the Red spring, which is funny because on the Red the same exact actuator wouldn't hold less than 30psi. Now that I have it on this turbo its minimum is 22 and I haven't even bumped my WGDC's past 50% and I can hold 30. Forge sent me all the different springs so I may do some experimenting with them to see what works best. I have a feeling the Red spring may hold more than I need it to and Id like to get them minimum down to 18 for a better economy map. Thatway I have the best of both worlds. Plus the 3 port is a HUGE help with holding boost.

So when am I going to get a ride in this beast my friend? Ill be at the autoX in Boise this Sunday. Maybe then?

Yeah sounds like a plan, I didnt realize they had them this late in the year.

This turbo sounds awesome! Think I've made up my mind on purchasing it.

What have you been using to tune your car?

Sticking with ATR or did you switch over?

Yeah sounds like a plan, I didnt realize they had them this late in the year.
This is the last event. Ill text you or call you this Friday or Saturday and fill you in:yay:

nice! sounds like the Green is what I'm wanting b/c idk how long my internals will last at 30lbs on a red.

I don't think the Red will hurt the internals, it doesn't come on violent enough. However with the Green people are going to have to be careful they don't destroy drivetrain parts. The power comes on so quickly it can break a transfer case pronto.
I found this out today when I was mergeing into traffic and rev'd a little too much before popping the clutch. I broke loose all 4 tires and just launched off. I have nevr done that before in this car with ese tires.

This turbo sounds awesome! Think I've made up my mind on purchasing it.

What have you been using to tune your car?

Sticking with ATR or did you switch over?

I am still using ATR and waiting for the new release that is supposed to be the end all program. I have talked to a few tuners using it now and they love it.

I am still using ATR and waiting for the new release that is supposed to be the end all program. I have talked to a few tuners using it now and they love it.

Good to hear, I really hope ATR becomes more popular for the X.

Are you running meth on the green?

I cant wait to see what the powerband is going to be like on the MR.

Any videos? Maybe a 3rd gear pull??

I agree I'm anxious as hell to see the graph from Hollywood and yours being an MR I also can't wait to see the new ATR!! Really hoping for some SST functions ;)

Good to hear, I really hope ATR becomes more popular for the X.

Are you running meth on the green?

I will be once I find the power limits for the turbo. So far I can run up to 30+ psi on 93 pump gas with minimal timing changes. Just have to do more driving and testing.

Sick! This is starting to sound a lot better than I thought it would.

so hollywood, do you know when FP will put ot for sale ontheir site?

Is running 30psi safe on pump gas?? no knock i assume?

I will be once I find the power limits for the turbo. So far I can run up to 30+ psi on 93 pump gas with minimal timing changes. Just have to do more driving and testing.

yeah no knock so it isn't a hairdyer over 27 psi and gets more torque the more boost i run. Not sure when they are going to put it on their site just call AMber and buy it before their is a backorder

Might want to see this on the other forum. Need to edit the link

forums.(insert the other forum here).net/evo-x-dyno-results/454417-fp-green-evo-x-mr-yes-i-said-fp-green.html (http://forums.(insert).net/evo-x-dyno-results/454417-fp-green-evo-x-mr-yes-i-said-fp-green.html)

For SST I will try to run it at lower boost so the tranny will not fight back with the extra torque.

I just noticed you are running meth in your setup, is that what you are testing the turbo with or just with regular pump gas?

yeah no knock so it isn't a hairdyer over 27 psi and gets more torque the more boost i run. Not sure when they are going to put it on their site just call AMber and buy it before their is a backorder

For SST I will try to run it at lower boost so the tranny will not fight back with the extra torque.

I just noticed you are running meth in your setup, is that what you are testing the turbo with or just with regular pump gas?

I haven't messed with the meth on this turbo yet, once I see how it adapts to changes without it then I will get into using meth.

I will be once I find the power limits for the turbo. So far I can run up to 30+ psi on 93 pump gas with minimal timing changes. Just have to do more driving and testing.
Very nice! I may have get myself a Green sooner than later...

How well does it hold boost to redline?

Can`t wait to see what this thing does with meth in place, I think the result could be even more impressive than RED.

Very nice! I may have get myself a Green sooner than later...

How well does it hold boost to redline?


Hollywood has tried 25psi tapering to 24psi, and this is with Forge WGA and 3 port in place.

Very nice! I may have get myself a Green sooner than later...

How well does it hold boost to redline?

It will hold 25 right on through redline an when I am running 30 it tapers a bit on the end but I havent tried to make it hold more yet.

Nice. I'm sure holding 30psi or more through redline may be possible with a new manifold/external wastegate combo :thumbup:

I will be installing mine with Jun turbo manifold and Jun wga, can`t wait to see what kind of boost it can hold.

With 94 octane, what is the safe boost level to run daily with this turbo?

Jun huh? That manifold is gorgeous

I will be installing mine with Jun turbo manifold and Jun wga, can`t wait to see what kind of boost it can hold.

With 94 octane, what is the safe boost level to run daily with this turbo?

Right now I would say tune it to 25 across the board and your good for daily and some seriously fun power.

FP have just shipped out my replacement turbo, can`t wait to see what it can do! Reading your initial impression already excites me...hahaha

Think I'll be running 94 with this too.

I hope the SST tuning makes some serious improvements over the winter while I wait... :dancebanana:


Anyways, thanks for the updates hollywood!

What is the spool like

wow. Im glad I waited for your feedback...thanks for the info. keep it coming!

What is the spool like

2500 rpm = 4 psi
3000 rpm = 15 psi
3500 rpm = 26 psi
That holds straight on without wavering to 25 psi @ 7500 rpm more than likely longer but I only go to 7500. Boost is pretty much instant and after taling with FP it does have a larger turbine wheel as well as a larger modified turbine housing so this kind of spool is amazing.

That is pretty much stock spool. Very impressive for a turbo this size.
I wonder if it can continue making power up to 8000rpm, what is the max rev limit the stock valvetrain can sustain safely?

well i know what i will be saving my lunch money to get

I wonder if it can continue making power up to 8000rpm, what is the max rev limit the stock valvetrain can sustain safely?

Valve springs are cheap, just go all out :p

2500 rpm = 4 psi
3000 rpm = 15 psi
3500 rpm = 26 psi
That holds straight on without wavering to 25 psi @ 7500 rpm more than likely longer but I only go to 7500. Boost is pretty much instant and after taling with FP it does have a larger turbine wheel as well as a larger modified turbine housing so this kind of spool is amazing.

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3000 rpm = 15 psi WHP =
3500 rpm = 26 psi WHP =
7500 rpm = 25 psi WHP =

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3000 rpm = 15 psi WHP =
3500 rpm = 26 psi WHP =
7500 rpm = 25 psi WHP =

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Cant wait to see this at the track Justin. Hello 11s

So here are some comparisons to chew on.

When I got my custom tune from Surgeline I dyno'd my car on a Mustang dyno. After I did my dyno I added 13% to those #'s (Since thats the average that Dyno jets are more than Mustangs) and came up with a close comparison to what a different dyno would have run. When using the dyno feature on the AP it comes up pretty consistant with what I had with my original dyno's for a dyno jet.

So here is a snipet of what I had from my original dyno;

Dyno with 92 octane pump gas, 24 PSI tapering to 18 PSI @ redline.
321WHP & 323WTQ Mustang (Dynojet = 362WHP & 364WTQ)

I also wanted to see what the stock turbo would do if more octane was added and the boost was turned up with the stocked system. So we added Xylene to bump the rating up to 94. With that we cranked the boost to 26 PSI tapering to 19.2 @ redline. Its interesting to see what came from here;
328WHP & 345WTQ Mustang (Dynojet = 370WHP & 390WTQ)

Again the numbers that say Dynojet are what my AP reflected for dyno #'s for those tunes. Also keep in mind that on this dyno a stock GTR puts down 430WHP & 430WTQ (The Mustang #'s). So with that being said the following #'s are what I have on my AP now with the same settings added in just to compare. These are done with just 93 octane pump gas, and NO meth.

This was one of the first tests I did;
Peak WHP is 430 @ 7000rpm with a peak WTQ of 480 @ 4400rpm.
The boost was 30 by 3500rpm tapering to 22 by 7500rpm.

Peak WHP is 510 @ 6500rpm with a peak WTQ of 420 @ 4600rpm.
The boost was 27 by 3500rpm tapering to 24 by 7500rpm.

These are averages over a few runs but give a general idea.

^It's interesting to see less boost gives you higher horsepower, while higher boost gives you tremendous torque!!

Have you tried other combinations like:

30psi by 3500rpm tapering to 28psi by 7500rpm?
25psi by 3500rpm tapering to 24psi by 7500rpm?

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On another note.............Hollywood those are some nice results!!! Is the FP GReen a twin scroll or single?

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On another note.............Hollywood those are some nice results!!! Is the FP GReen a twin scroll or single?
Twin

For reference, dynojets won't read higher than mustangs by 13%, maybe 8 percent.

A 1.0DD reads lower than untouched mustang dynos and the difference between that and a dynojet is between 10-12percent.

So those dynojet numbers are going to be 5 percent or so too high. Great results, but just stick with what your original dyno says, no reason to guess what you would be on another, because it probably isn't as close as you think.

I will say no more about correction factors in this thread, i don't want to turn this into another one of those.

So here are some comparisons to chew on.

When I got my custom tune from Surgeline I dyno'd my car on a Mustang dyno. After I did my dyno I added 13% to those #'s (Since thats the average that Dyno jets are more than Mustangs) and came up with a close comparison to what a different dyno would have run. When using the dyno feature on the AP it comes up pretty consistant with what I had with my original dyno's for a dyno jet.

So here is a snipet of what I had from my original dyno;



Again the numbers that say Dynojet are what my AP reflected for dyno #'s for those tunes. Also keep in mind that on this dyno a stock GTR puts down 430WHP & 430WTQ (The Mustang #'s). So with that being said the following #'s are what I have on my AP now with the same settings added in just to compare. These are done with just 93 octane pump gas, and NO meth.

This was one of the first tests I did;
Peak WHP is 430 @ 7000rpm with a peak WTQ of 480 @ 4400rpm.
The boost was 30 by 3500rpm tapering to 22 by 7500rpm.

Peak WHP is 510 @ 6500rpm with a peak WTQ of 420 @ 4600rpm.
The boost was 27 by 3500rpm tapering to 24 by 7500rpm.

These are averages over a few runs but give a general idea.

Good Stuff! How are you pushing 500whp on the green on pump gas? I figure I can get north of 400 once I put the intercooler on. Given the fact I'm rollin' an MR I would be in line with that first set of numbers. I don't think there is anyway I would ever see 500 on pump gas. Maybe I'm missing something?

I am guessing those AP numbers are pretty far off. They may have been close before but they won't all scale the same. The only way we will know is if you get it dynoed. On a dynojet, you should be able to bust 400whp with the green no prob, but not 500, especially not on an MR. Most GSR's are seeing 475ish on a dynojet on a RED, with the green it will be less, and even less with an MR. I am thinking right around 400whp with a green and MR on pump is what you will see.

I won`t see anywhere close to 400whp on our local MD tomorrow thats for sure lol.

I won`t see anywhere close to 400whp on our local MD tomorrow thats for sure lol.

Who is tuning you? Rocket Rally?

I won`t see anywhere close to 400whp on our local MD tomorrow thats for sure lol.
Not even with all those mods man?

I was at 268whp at 261wtq with stock turbo and my parts on this low reading MD dyno that we have, of which stock MR makes about 185-190whp.
Pretty sure we have the lowest reading dyno across the board :p

Not even with all those mods man?

Oh wow. I bet with your mods though you will have one powerful MR :)

An unmolested mustang dyno typically reads just slightly higher than a dyno dynamics.

However your local one is pretty much in line with my local dyno dynamics. The baseline is all the info you need to give people so they know your true power levels. 400whp on that dyno would be great:)