http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=6387

This is the best review of the car yet. I won't spoil the results of the comparison tests, but in addition the reading the article, YOU HAVE TO WATCH THE VIDEO. Seeing the evo's handling at it's best is incredible. Note that they turn off the asc completely, leave the ayc on, and set it to tarmac. This seems to net the best results that can be gotten out of the car.

c'mon people, I see a lot of views and no responses yet. chime in!

well seem like the evo had almost no contest there by winnning in almost every event.

See thats why i want the MR.....

HOLY CRAP! That looks like so much fun to drive! She slides so well and so smoothly... That was an awesome vid, nice find!

like i said before...fck the haters

all the idiots on evom talking trash about the x after it didn't do so well against the STI in another car mag review....what excuse are the haters going to come up with this time?

Evo X MR ftw.

Wow.

Look terrific going around a track...

I can't wait to drive mine like that!

like i said before...fck the haters

all the idiots on evom talking trash about the x after it didn't do so well against the STI in another car mag review....what excuse are the haters going to come up with this time?

Evo X MR ftw.

ah yes that is so true one reason why i left from there i hate evom.evoxforums FTW.

:pnothing new ... the evo wins against the STI :bowlol:

Still lot to do with the driver. The Evo was always more driver "friendly" . So to keep up with the STI you need to be more talented driver. But when you get a good driver the STI can keep up with the evo. I don't know about the X vs 09 STI though.
Seems to me 2.5 sec tell something about the driver too. Never before any test they did, MR came out with this much gap. So the driver help /S-AWC/ really does the job for lesser drivers.:godance:

big thumbs up for the X!:rock:

like i said before...fck the haters

all the idiots on evom talking trash about the x after it didn't do so well against the STI in another car mag review....what excuse are the haters going to come up with this time?

Evo X MR ftw.

lol...from what i see, a lot of the hating has toned down since a few months ago, not sure if they had a change of heart or just straight got owned and dont want to admit it, but a hate post here or there sometimes come (from the same idiot(s)) that just make me laugh

If you think it's good on the Dry Tarmac, wait till you put it in Gravel mode and whip around in the Wet Tarmac. It's been raining all week in the Bay Area and it's just a blast. I'm having more in the X in the Wet than i do in the wet in my Race prepped Evo 8. I still wouldn't trade roles of my Evos... They worked out perfectly

Yeah, I've noticed that the hating has toned down quite a bit on evom. The early evo X tests in the magazines were pre-production models that gave varying less-than-impressive straight line results, but clearly now that the kinks have been worked out, the car is showing that it's quite capable indeed. And, I talked to my local dealer (the one that I placed a deposit with 3 months ago), and they told me that he will be more than happy to match norco's offer of invoice + 500.00, so I'm getting the car for below MSRP guaranteed! Plus, although the one that I ordered was white, he said that if I like a different colored/option equiped car that they have on the lot (they're getting like 8 of them), that I can get whichever one I like! I no longer am worried about getting the car for an affordable price. Peace of mind, you can't put a price on that.

evom FTMFL

i really like that the evo was still faster in both trims mr and gsr over the sti.it also hugged the corners better then the subbie.

If you think it's good on the Dry Tarmac, wait till you put it in Gravel mode and whip around in the Wet Tarmac. It's been raining all week in the Bay Area and it's just a blast. I'm having more in the X in the Wet than i do in the wet in my Race prepped Evo 8. I still wouldn't trade roles of my Evos... They worked out perfectly

if you can only keep one which would you choose?

Nice review and video. This is a great result for the Evo X. It is truly an amazing car! This would be the car for me if I was going to track it regularly and not need much cargo room in the back.

Take a look at the data sheet:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/0308_cover_mitsuVwrx_chart.pdf

With respect to straight line acceleration, looking at the gear ratios for the GSR and STI I see the STI needs to shift to 3rd to get to 60 mph while the GSR gets there in 2nd gear. This is a common feature when comparing cars with 5 speed versus 6 speed gear boxes. The data seems to show that the driver in the STI took a long time to shift from 2nd to 3rd judging by the fact that up to 50 mph it was 0.2 seconds ahead of the Evo then 0.1 seconds behind at 60 mph. I still think the STI will do better in a straight line, whether looking at 60 mph times or 1/4 mile times, as evidenced by many other comparisons, but it comes down to the driver, too.

But who takes life a 1/4 mile at a time? :) The Evo X kills on the twisties with its lack of understeer compared to the STI, a completely tossable car!

Congrats to all the new Evo X owners out there. But I hope you are all very careful!!! You are driving a machine that needs to be respected. Also respect everyone else on the road, including pedestrians, and don't do anything stupid. If you want to race your car, take it to the track or strip. /rant

Awesome video!

The Evo is stil the big boy IMO.

like i said before...fck the haters

all the idiots on evom talking trash about the x after it didn't do so well against the STI in another car mag review....what excuse are the haters going to come up with this time?

Evo X MR ftw.

:+1:Well said

:shades:

Meh, it'll keep on like that if Subaru didn't improve the handling, performance and styling like Evo does

It's no wonder Evo keep on winning, cause it still better than Subaru does

Also glad to hear that it has less turbo lag than the previous model.

Well I've said the same thing on the Sti forum....

Both of these new cars are outstanding in my view. The Sti suffers from a poor tire choice in my opinion, and the camber setup. Both of which could be remedied. I don't think you can go wrong either way with these cars. It will come down to which mfr. you trust with your hard earned money.

And on most forums, whatever they buy is the deal and everything else sucks. It'd be nice not to see that kind of mentality around here. A true enthusiast respects cars in general, not just what is parked in their own garage.

I want an AWD performance machine so both of these meet my criteria. I love the comfort access and the Rockford Fosgate sound system in the Mitsu.
I like the hatch and boxer in the Sti. For me, it will be a tough decision as both cars exceed my driving skills. It really will come down to what kind of deal I can get on either (such as invoice), what kind of financing, reliability, MPG, and warranty. My local Suby dealer is quite cool. If you purchase a Cobb AP and go stage 1....if they install it they will honor any warranty issues. They have to know what is going on with your car though....if you try to mod the hell out of it you'll be on your own. But since I'm only going to install an AP I'd be good going that route. :rock:

be nice not to see that kind of mentality around here. A true enthusiast respects cars in general, not just what is parked in their own garage.

most people here have a lot of respect for both STIs and Evos :)

if you can only keep one which would you choose?

I would keep the Evo 8 only if i was forced to sell one. I cannot give up my track monster.

Part of it comes down to just personal preferences, but I have yet to see one test result in any magazine comparing the two to give the nod to the sti over the evo. The evo has won every comparison unanimously, so it really comes down to this: if cargo space is worth the massive trade in performance (mainly handling performance), then the sti has you taken care of. However, blending practicality with performance is what these cars have always done well, having 4 doors and 5 seats and still being able to romp on 2 door sports car costing twice as much. Subaru leaned too much on the practicality side this time and not enough on the performance side. It's mainly their suspension/chassis setup. Subaru just can't seem to get it right. The evo's always had the nimbler chassis and far better suspension setup, and have always been noted in EVERY single review since the 8 came out that the handling was just far superior to the subaru. Even without ayc, the evo still rotates well, far better than the suby. Look, I have an 04 STi, and I have had to work hard to fix what subaru didn't do right from the factory. To get rid of the understeer, I've done a whiteline anti-lift kit, do-luck aluminum subfrme w/ dual lateral cross bars, cusco strut bar in front and strut bar +v-brace in the rear to give a stiffer rear bias, cusco sway bars fornt and rear, yet again with a stiffer rear bias, pol-tec spherical ball-joint end links, the list goes on. This has gotten rid of a lot of the understeer, but it still doesn't have the steering of an evo. And the bottom line is that if I did all that to an evo, then it would just be that much more of a handling monster than the suby. The sti has an amazing tranny, though. Better than the evo's. that's the only thing that suby really did right was the tranny...bullet proof. However, the evo's tranny is still good, and the new 5-speed is supposed to be bomb proof, according to a lot of the reviews and tech specs. BTW, if you want an sti, fuck the 08, buy my 04! It's got a lot of great parts on it, and it's been meticulously maintained. For sale until I trade it in on the new evo. My dealer said the delivery date was just pushed back again until the 19th, so you guys have until then to make an offer. 24K and the title is yours.

The EVO X does look like fun. If was buying just a track car that would be it. The Evo's have always out handlind the STI mainly do to shorter suspension travel. Coming from a guy that does who will do probably 6 trackdays a year that means I'll be driving my car on the road for 98% of the time.

I ended up getting the 08 STI mainly due to the price in Cdn but it does have other factors that it excels at like the suspesion. The stock suspension is fantastic. I've been in lots of cars from 911s, NSX, Audi's but seriously drive around Stanley Park for those of you who know... is very curvy and bumpy. Other cars if would feel like I would fly off the road, with the STI new revised suspension it just soaks up everything making it all too easy! The grip is phenomenal! Most cars I the first thing I'd change is the suspension. But with this car I might just leave it be. Two of porsche friends are looking at selling their cars to buy a STI after they drove mine. I tried to get them to buy the EVO X but they liked the looks of the STI more. So go figure... beauty is truely in the eyes of the beholder. Look wises for me it's a toss up. Both look good in different ways. :)

I also like the lower end torque on the STI, makes driving in the city less hectic.

the EVO looks like hella fun... but most trackday organizers will kick you off the track if you were sliding your car around corners like that.

That is my 2cents... both cars are awesome! See you at the track with slick tyres 265s all around, a bit more camber on the tyres, sways and it'll be very close. But I'll have in my hatch my street tyres and a jack to change everything over for the ride home.

Can't wait to meet some Vancouver peeps with the EVO X. Maybe we can swap cars and do a really comparison test. My point is don't rely on other peoples opinions to make your choice, especially magazines where I find are very biased depending on which car company spends more advertising dollars with them.

According to ROAD and TRACK


http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=6387&page_number=2


I havent seen this posted up yet :thumbup:

Video too - http://www.roadandtrack.com/video/index.html?bcpid=717440069&bclid=713053299&bctid=1389981829

I think the STi will always lose these comparison tests. It's unfortunate that just because it loses in the track comparison tests it gets some sort of bad name. Both of these cars are probably fantastic for your average spirited driver. I've never driven them but I honestly can't imagine that either one would disappoint as a daily driver.

*Edit: This coming from a n00b of course :P

72.6 mph in the salom...

that is damn impressive!

dude i was going to post this but then i thought i would be a repost lol.

I peed on an STi today at the Subaru storage lot. Hey, I had to go.

Lol!!!!!

This is bad news in a way. STI sales drop. Subi drops STI in 2010
Mitsu with no competition goes back to their old ways and make crappy cars again.

no, after they drop the subi that go for cars likes corvettes to take on and make evo 11 and wipe out corvette then 911's WITH THE EVO 12 HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA we will controll the WORLD! all the way up to bugatti veyron! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:props:

^lol

:jerkit:Yes.... R&T is official just like every on print and TV. Yes this is a repost.

I peed on an STi today at the Subaru storage lot. Hey, I had to go.

That's rude, who are you Calvin? :jk:

nice link!

:jerkit:Yes.... R&T is official just like every on print and TV. Yes this is a repost.
The official bit was tongue in cheek. But I forget some ****s dont have senses of humour. If you are so bothered about the repost bit then put in a complaint eh? Seeing as its a "March" article and I havent seen it then I thought it might be new :jerkit:

Well you do have to give one thing to Subaru....they didn't miss the ball and delay their product like Mitsu. When is the MR going to be available again?

Damn, that's impressive. Seeing the X and the STi on the same course really shows how much better the X handles.

Well you do have to give one thing to Subaru....they didn't miss the ball and delay their product like Mitsu. When is the MR going to be available again?

Pretty easy to stay on a time target when they didn't come out with some completely brand new transmission.

Pretty easy to stay on a time target when they didn't come out with some completely brand new transmission.

Not to defend Mitsubishi, but it is new almost everything, not just the SST.

Right, but the SST is what is holding up the MR, not everything else.

Lets just chaulk this delay do optimisitic misjudgement

Oh I have a sense of humor... I think you're the one that is taking it personal.

yes it is a repost... from 2 weeks ago.

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2132&highlight=road+track



The official bit was tongue in cheek. But I forget some ****s dont have senses of humour. If you are so bothered about the repost bit then put in a complaint eh? Seeing as its a "March" article and I havent seen it then I thought it might be new :jerkit:

yes it is a repost... from 2 weeks ago.

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2132&highlight=road+track


Well done, go grab yourself a medal from the "acting like a ****" awards box eh? :rolleyes:

yes it is a repost... from 2 weeks ago.

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2132&highlight=road+track


Threads merged...good eye.

Well done, go grab yourself a medal from the "acting like a ****" awards box eh? :rolleyes:

:mad:

Enough. Let's grow up. I want to see no name calling, no petty nonsense, and no negative attitude going on here. If I continue seeing this type of crap, there will be consequences. Consider yourselves warned. This message is for everyone, not just Gumbo.

You will not disrespect my forum.

yeah Boy!!!!! Dino's Gonna Give You The Boot Back To No-where-land If You're A Bully!!!

OK, let's settle down and discuss the topic of the thread, the R&T article! Here is the comparison chart: http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/download/0308_cover_mitsuVwrx_chart.pdf

I'm surprised the Evo X slalom speed is faster than the STI in this comparo. Previous tests I had seen definitely showed the Evo X better on the skid pad and better cornering on the track, but the STI won in the slalom and on the straight drag. The previous reviews/tests also mentioned that the Evo X was a little wild in the slalom, like the AYC reaction to the quick changes in direction actually hurt the performance through the cones. Maybe this was fixed or driver compensated somehow (like by turning it off).

I'm surprised the Evo X slalom speed is faster than the STI in this comparo. Previous tests I had seen definitely showed the Evo X better on the skid pad and better cornering on the track, but the STI won in the slalom and on the straight drag. The previous reviews/tests also mentioned that the Evo X was a little wild in the slalom, like the AYC reaction to the quick changes in direction actually hurt the performance through the cones. Maybe this was fixed or driver compensated somehow (like by turning it off).

Im lil surprised as well. Considering the STI is about 200 lbs lighter than the X.

i gotta give mitsu credit, the electronics work wonders!!

It's okay Kooldino,

I never take offense to name calling. Especially little kids over the internet that think they are tough.:shades:

I was merely pointing out that it was a repost and Little G there took it up the rear for some reason.

Btw way this a well run forum. Even though I bought an 08 STI I still visit this forum because of the peeps on this board are definately more mature than over at evoM.

Eventually I will have a EvoX when they do decide to price it more competitively and have better options here in Canada.

I've already got some better rubber on my ride now and there is a big improvement on the handling and steering department. A few more tweaks here and there the STI should be there. Quite suprising how much bad press the STI is getting. Agreed I think the EVOX is a better track car but this review make it seam like the STI is a corolla or something. The fact is the EVO and STI is still very much a drivers car. The difference is not as large as the magazines... especially the R&T review states. I guess whatever sells magazines.


:mad:

Enough. Let's grow up. I want to see no name calling, no petty nonsense, and no negative attitude going on here. If I continue seeing this type of crap, there will be consequences. Consider yourselves warned. This message is for everyone, not just Gumbo.

You will not disrespect my forum.

It's okay Kooldino,

I never take offense to name calling. Especially little kids over the internet that think they are tough.:shades:

I was merely pointing out that it was a repost and Little G there took it up the rear for some reason.

I took offence at the :jerkoff: and your general demeanor! It was a repost BIG DEAL!!! I said I hadnt seen it before in the first post, that clearly wasnt enough for you. But if it makes you feel the Man trying to patronise me then go for it, no skin off my nose. Everyone else managed to post on the thread about the article till you stuck your beak in and the thread degenerated. Maybe you should take a peek in the mirror boy :rolleyes: Still it clearly hasnt bothered you hence the "little kids that think they are tough" For the record Im 6'2 and 280lbs so pop in for a pint next time you are in the UK and we can discuss it :thumbup:

Ive not got a problem with anyone who shows basic respect for a fellow poster, just coming on a thread to say its a repost and trying to be smart is a reflection of a sad little life from where Im sat.

Feel free to delete any offending material Mr Kooldino, the thread was designed to give some info on the car that the forum is designed for, not handbags at ten paces.....

In the interest of civilisation. I will apologize for saying you were acting like a **** and end my input onto this thread he. I didnt want an argument I have a wife for that!

uummm... guys. the train has left the station. keep to the thread topic.

Perhaps a quiet PM to each other behind the scenes will suffice.

uummm... guys. the train has left the station. keep to the thread topic.

Perhaps a quiet PM to each other behind the scenes will suffice.

As I said, the show is over....move along....nothing to see here :thumbup:

well i agree with HRCboy Quite suprising how much bad press the STI is getting. Agreed I think the EVOX is a better track car but this review make it seam like the STI is a corolla or something. The fact is the EVO and STI is still very much a drivers car. The difference is not as large as the magazines... especially the R&T review states. I guess whatever sells magazines.
a subaru sti is an amazeing car but they put it down so much its seem to be a mamas boy car, a nothing but the fact of the matter is, its a GREAT car it handles amazeing, but thay make it seem it cant make a turn.......i LOVEEEE evo's but you gotta give credit where credit is due.