Hey,

I posted over at Lancer Tuners asking the same question. So, I can get an EVO X engine for a great price, and do all of the labour myself. Looking at putting the engine into my 2009 GTS. Does anyone have any comments/thoughts/concerns about the swap that I should know before going into it? It's a 4b11t, pulled directly out of an EVO X MR. Also, I don't want to hear "go buy an evo, it'll be cheaper" as I want to build something, not buy it. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, looking forward to your replies :) .

Hey,

I posted over at Lancer Tuners asking the same question. So, I can get an EVO X engine for a great price, and do all of the labour myself. Looking at putting the engine into my 2009 GTS. Does anyone have any comments/thoughts/concerns about the swap that I should know before going into it? It's a 4b11t, pulled directly out of an EVO X MR. Also, I don't want to hear "go buy an evo, it'll be cheaper" as I want to build something, not buy it. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, looking forward to your replies :) .

I have no idea if it will work but it will probably bolt to the Lancer transmission... you'd have a turbo front wheel drive car.

Yes you can but why? just sell your lancer and buy an evo!

why would you wanna put a evo x engine in a car with marshmellow springs/struts and balloon tires. just buy and evo and build that

you would have to use the evo transmission, you couldnt use you lancer transmission as there is a different setup, which in turn makes you have to get the drivetrain as well being its awd, i say for all that work, just sell the lancer and get the damn evo

Close this thread, just stupid!

Easy fellas, not everyone can be all knowing Evo X Guru's day in and day out. This is a legitimate question, let's give him a legitimate answer.

Putting a turbo on the stock engine would be the better/cheaper route for power. Putting in an Evo engine and all the components will probably be quite costly even if you can do the grunt work yourself. If you do decide to do it make sure you keep us posted. Would love to see the build and the outcome.

it would cost him more to buy the 4B11T and the cost to pull motor and instal new one,, dont think any one would do this!
The GTS is a 2.4L Engine making just under 170HP, he would make more power and spend a 1/4th the amount on a turbo set up,,, no he wont have any of the Brembo's, Recaro's so on, but the truth is, he will make more power with a turbo set up in his FWD Lancer then wasting his money and droping in a 4B11T

I'd just get a nice turbo kit. Like everybody else has said, there's a lot more to it than just swapping the engine. No offense, but this isn't a Honda or an old muscle car. This is a pretty high tech, AWD engine that needs a lot of components to run smoothly and safely. If you can pull it off, more power to you. It won't be an evo, but it will be a hella powerful lancer.

:yeahthat:.. the engenie swap thing is not going to be easy or cheap your better off with a turbo on that little bad boy of yours

go for it bro, you should drop the lancer engine into the X while your at it :drive:Hey,

I posted over at Lancer Tuners asking the same question. So, I can get an EVO X engine for a great price, and do all of the labour myself. Looking at putting the engine into my 2009 GTS. Does anyone have any comments/thoughts/concerns about the swap that I should know before going into it? It's a 4b11t, pulled directly out of an EVO X MR. Also, I don't want to hear "go buy an evo, it'll be cheaper" as I want to build something, not buy it. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, looking forward to your replies :) .

go for it bro, you should drop the lancer engine into the X while your at it :drive:
:ohsnap:

Woah... easy on the comments lol
I'll keep you guy posted on what I'm going to do.
I'm currently at starbucks so I'm not going to bother going into detail atm.

dude go for it!

i know in a logical world, it makes no sense, but like you said, you wanna build it, so if money is not a problem build it.

but you will need a lot more then just the engine. i.e. the transmission, ecu (piggy back, or oem) and all necessary supporting parts for the 4b11t...

but like i said if you have the time and money, go for it and take a million pics and keep us posted :)

it would cost him more to buy the 4B11T and the cost to pull motor and instal new one,, dont think any one would do this!
The GTS is a 2.4L Engine making just under 170HP, he would make more power and spend a 1/4th the amount on a turbo set up,,, no he wont have any of the Brembo's, Recaro's so on, but the truth is, he will make more power with a turbo set up in his FWD Lancer then wasting his money and droping in a 4B11T

as the OP stated.. he can get an evo x engine at a great price.

granted there lots of supporting parts he would need to get in order to have the idea to work..But if he got the money than whatever floats his boat.

the Stock Brembo and recardos aren't really that great. There are other aftermarket stuff out there would performance lot better than the stock.. But it does come with a price, so again maybe money isn't a factor for the OP

dude go for it!

i know in a logical world, it makes no sense, but like you said, you wanna build it, so if money is not a problem build it.

but you will need a lot more then just the engine. i.e. the transmission, ecu (piggy back, or oem) and all necessary supporting parts for the 4b11t...

but like i said if you have the time and money, go for it and take a million pics and keep us posted :)

ECU would already be taken care of. We have a D80 at our house, so millions of HQ pics would be taken. It's a huge project but I think it'd be worth it.

ECU would already be taken care of. We have a D80 at our house, so millions of HQ pics would be taken. It's a huge project but I think it'd be worth it.


If you have nothing to lose then why not you know???

go for it and let us know how it turns out...

everyone is gonna be like " oh its just a lancer" then BOOOOM turbo spools and your off....

like i said, in a logical world, it doesnt make much sense, but if you have time and money DOOOO ITTTTT

Close this thread, just stupid!

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it would cost him more to buy the 4B11T and the cost to pull motor and instal new one,, dont think any one would do this!
The GTS is a 2.4L Engine making just under 170HP, he would make more power and spend a 1/4th the amount on a turbo set up,,, no he wont have any of the Brembo's, Recaro's so on, but the truth is, he will make more power with a turbo set up in his FWD Lancer then wasting his money and droping in a 4B11T

Engine is under 4 grand Canadian, shipped to my doorstep. Cheapest turbo available for the 4b12 is what, 4300 USD plus a tune and install? Plus, on a dyno it puts me at 225whp, whereas the 4b11t would be making closer to 250whp? (not too sure on that one, I've seen alot of mixed numbers). Also, the engine gives me a great base to upgrade on if I'd ever want to, seeing as it is able to take a lot more power than the 4b12. Brembo's aren't a big deal, and I love my seats. Motor would be pulled by myself, as well as the install. Believe me, I'm not trying to get defensive, just stating the facts on my end. Thanks though, input is appreciated.

If you have nothing to lose then why not you know???

go for it and let us know how it turns out...

everyone is gonna be like " oh its just a lancer" then BOOOOM turbo spools and your off....

like i said, in a logical world, it doesnt make much sense, but if you have time and money DOOOO ITTTTT

Thanks for the support :)

why would you wanna put a evo x engine in a car with marshmellow springs/struts and balloon tires. just buy and evo and build that

Suspension has already been taken care of, I'm running TEIN coilovers on my car.

Why not put a evo x engine in a mitsu raider hahahha

good luck with the build. by the way how much do you want for your gts motors? i want to put it in my mighty max. pm me pls


Hey,

I posted over at Lancer Tuners asking the same question. So, I can get an EVO X engine for a great price, and do all of the labour myself. Looking at putting the engine into my 2009 GTS. Does anyone have any comments/thoughts/concerns about the swap that I should know before going into it? It's a 4b11t, pulled directly out of an EVO X MR. Also, I don't want to hear "go buy an evo, it'll be cheaper" as I want to build something, not buy it. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, looking forward to your replies :) .

Why not put a evo x engine in a mitsu raider hahahha
That would be f'in sick!

In '01, we put a 4g63 in a colt, and in '04 we put one in a D50. Both were sick.

Carvs,

Are you mechanically inclined? I'm guessing there's going to be some fabrication involved. If you are capable and it's going to be a project, then do it. When do you plan on starting?

Wanna hear about a sick project, JMS racing here in san antonio is going to put a evo 9 engine in a 1989 civic hatch, ohh btw its going to be rear wheel drive too!!!

I want to see a 4G63 or 4B11 in a Starion.

This wouldnt be my first route for power with a lancer, but if you have the skills, parts and money go for it!
Like others have said keep us updated, a build as unique as this needs to be documented, even if you dont build big power with it it will be one of a kind.

if you are gonna do this, you might as well go rear wheel drive also. 300 hp to the front wheels will net you shit performance.

Hadouken :::::)))) :eek:

how much is a great deal?

Engine is under 4 grand Canadian, shipped to my doorstep.

how much is a great deal?

:yeahthat:

I think a Vette engine in an old Corrola is mechanically inclined enough. Plan for starting the project is in the new years, seeing as how I'm a student and I need the money first. As for your post WRXEATR, I plan on keeping my engine, just incase anything goes sour, however, I will let you know :) . Again, thanks for the support/comments guys, I'll definitely be keeping everyone updated!

I'd be more inclined to take the Turbo setup off the 4B11T and install it on the 4B12. You'll have to look at the length of the Evo's driveshafts as to whether you'll be able to use the evo gearbox (if your getting one) Evos have a wider stance and front nose pieces aren't interchangable without work.

Keep in mind that when you decide to sell it, it will have GTS resale value. You are gonna lose money on that end too. Just trade it. Even if you get it to work, after spending thousands of $$, after all of the labor, it won't have the performance of AWD. Tire spinning and torque steer is all you will achieve. For a project, make something rare that you can't have in the U.S like a EVO VI. Find a cheap Mirage, and convert it. I'm sure it's been done before, so the information and parts are out there. You could even make it right hand drive. That model is lighter and faster than it's bloated Lancer descendants.

hey Carvs did you start this project yet? If you have, I'm curious about your progress!

Have you started anything on this? or was it all talk?

Putting a turbo on the stock engine would be the better/cheaper route for power. Putting in an Evo engine and all the components will probably be quite costly even if you can do the grunt work yourself. If you do decide to do it make sure you keep us posted. Would love to see the build and the outcome.

Exactly. Build your motor you have now, send the tranny to shep for it to be built, and finally get the turbo you want for the car and then you will have to get tires that stick out past the fenders to put it to the ground.

Hey,

I posted over at Lancer Tuners asking the same question. So, I can get an EVO X engine for a great price, and do all of the labour myself. Looking at putting the engine into my 2009 GTS. Does anyone have any comments/thoughts/concerns about the swap that I should know before going into it? It's a 4b11t, pulled directly out of an EVO X MR. Also, I don't want to hear "go buy an evo, it'll be cheaper" as I want to build something, not buy it. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, looking forward to your replies :) .
I feel you I am also building a evo out of a de and at present minus the engine mods and all wheel drive ive bought all the parts to make it so

do you know if you can put evo made aftermarket parts like cam shafts into a regular lancer

If you pull it off that would be a sleeper for sure!!!!

Have you started anything on this? or was it all talk?Given the success rate of swaps this involved, I doubt it will ever be done. 9 times out of 10 guys talk up a build like this and either never get around to it or get neck deep in shit after 6 months to a year of posting updates and then end up selling the car.

This isn't a Honda K-swap or crap like that... the best comparison I have to something like this is the LSX dropped into a 350Z. That was pulled off but he didn't do the work himself and it was $$$. The end result was what looked like a 350Z that came with a factory option Chevy motor :clap:

This, on the other hand, will likely either not even begin or will get maybe half way there and back out.

yeah prb it will fit just when you going to drive it you suspension will brake axles first and then everythink else

Okay, I don't want to take over a thread, but since this one involves pretty much what I am going to do, I will try to expand on this on advise from ruthlessrides.

First, this is going to be my last year in college and I want to begin working on my car. I will be going all out and since I don't want to buy an EVO that is already assembled, I am going to build my powerplant myself.

I am not worried about exterior parts since it is not neccesary, pertaining to performance (yes I know about aerodynamics, but that is not my main priority at the time).

I want to know if it is possible to take the AWD tranny, transfer case, driveshaft, rear end and be able to hook it up to a Lancer chassis? I know I will have to upgrade the ECU, as well as other parts

This project will take time and money, I know that. I am not on a deadline since this is going to be an ongoing project and it will probably take a few years due to loan payments taking place after graduation.

I want to know of those who have sold and upgraded these pieces, how much would I expect to pay. I don't mind getting second hand parts because you can always rebuild a tranny, or swap out pieces that give out, not every piece needs to be brand new.

I noticed there was a decent amount of part-outs on here, so there is an option right there to get parts below the ridiculous dealer costs.

My brother has graduated from UTI a year ago so he will be helping me out on the build, plus he has a connection with a shop where it won't cost an arm and a leg to work on it.

The thing about this build is that it is going to work one way or the other, which means if I have to take every mechanical part off an EVO, it will happen. It is going to take a few years to get the project rolling, but by then parts should be pretty common, and I want to build it by myself, there is no greater feeling than knowing that you built something that runs and works the way you intended it.

Since me and my brother are going to be working in the automotive industry, hopefully for many years to come, I might as well get my hands dirty on my own car before I ever begin to touch someone elses baby.

Any serious input is appreciated. I don't mind the jokes and humor, but I would hope that there is some serious tuners and techs on here that would be able to help me out or give me some advice on this.

Thank you.

just hit up RRM! they built a lancer gts that can beat a stock GSR

ill sell you a perfectly good stock evo x turbo. pm me

Project never took off, the guy ended up selling the engine on me. Sorry guys.

thats funny, you should be happy, very bad idea!

wouldnt there be major fab work needing to be done anyway, considering the evo x is its own platform and not just an awd lancer chassis...?

kudos for the guy that plans to do this but ummmm Y?!

i work with a guy who is building a 600hp ford escort, once again, props n all but Y?!

There is going to be some fitment issues, that is a given, but the thing is that I couldn't afford an Evo at the time that I bought my Lancer...and the point of this project is because it is something to do and not everyone else will have one.

The Evo is already an Evo...I want to build my own. I guess I could buy a rolling chassis from salvage yard, but in the end, it would be an Evo in an Evo shell. I want to take a regular Lancer and turn it into an Evo.
Why create an Evo out of an Evo if I can take something that is clearly nothing in comparison and make it into something better?

The thing that I want to know is that if it is even possible to do it...if not then I can always figure out another way.

There is always the Galant Fortis in Japan that is AWD without a turbo (CY4A) chassis, the same as the Lancer (CY4A) FWD chassis in the U.S.
And then the Ralliart is the same chassis as the Evo (CZ4A), if my research serves me correctly.

I am not certain about the differences between the CY4A and the CZ4A, but I am just going to presume that there is more than likely beefier parts to support the extra power/tq (unless anyone knows the exact differences).

There are a few reasons in wanting to do this. One is because I will be owning this car in a year and a half, so I might as well work on something that will be mine, compared to the bank holding my title until the car is paid off. I don't want payments anymore.
The other reason is because my brother is already a certified auto tech, he will be helping me, and I will be attending UTI, or a similar tech school. He has already done the whole Honda project to get used to modifying, and he wants to create something more advanced. I want to do it because I want to create something unique, how many other people do you know that is willing to try and do this? Or have done this?

I had a 2008 Mazdaspeed 3 for two years. That car limited the power output in 1st and 2nd gears to aid in reducing torque steer. I didn't think the torque steer in the Mazda was as bad as all the reviews stated but Mazda electronically compensated. With that said, I constantly wanted an AWD car because I could never get the power to the ground until about 35 MPH. That thing would just spin the wheels unlike anything you've ever seen. Now imagine that in a FWD Lancer with 30 more horsepower and 16 LBS more torque. With all that said, I'd love to follow your build on here.

I do not see why it will be that big a deal besides the money wasted involved.. I think most of the parts can be used a Lancer Ralliart the chaissis on this car is similar ins size to that of a regular lancer. Also, worrying about acd and ayc would not be an issue.. i dunno...

dump the lancer and get an evo...

Hadouken :::::)))) :eek:

One of the most awesome things I've seen on here. :thumbup:

dump the lancer and get an evo...

Give me the money and then you will not have to see an AWD Lancer rolling around...until then, this is the plan.

Okay, I don't want to take over a thread, but since this one involves pretty much what I am going to do, I will try to expand on this on advise from ruthlessrides.

First, this is going to be my last year in college and I want to begin working on my car. I will be going all out and since I don't want to buy an EVO that is already assembled, I am going to build my powerplant myself.

I am not worried about exterior parts since it is not neccesary, pertaining to performance (yes I know about aerodynamics, but that is not my main priority at the time).

I want to know if it is possible to take the AWD tranny, transfer case, driveshaft, rear end and be able to hook it up to a Lancer chassis? I know I will have to upgrade the ECU, as well as other parts

This project will take time and money, I know that. I am not on a deadline since this is going to be an ongoing project and it will probably take a few years due to loan payments taking place after graduation.

I want to know of those who have sold and upgraded these pieces, how much would I expect to pay. I don't mind getting second hand parts because you can always rebuild a tranny, or swap out pieces that give out, not every piece needs to be brand new.

I noticed there was a decent amount of part-outs on here, so there is an option right there to get parts below the ridiculous dealer costs.

My brother has graduated from UTI a year ago so he will be helping me out on the build, plus he has a connection with a shop where it won't cost an arm and a leg to work on it.

The thing about this build is that it is going to work one way or the other, which means if I have to take every mechanical part off an EVO, it will happen. It is going to take a few years to get the project rolling, but by then parts should be pretty common, and I want to build it by myself, there is no greater feeling than knowing that you built something that runs and works the way you intended it.

Since me and my brother are going to be working in the automotive industry, hopefully for many years to come, I might as well get my hands dirty on my own car before I ever begin to touch someone elses baby.

Any serious input is appreciated. I don't mind the jokes and humor, but I would hope that there is some serious tuners and techs on here that would be able to help me out or give me some advice on this.

Thank you.

This was actually done on the other forum by someone it worked by not really well. Its not my place to tell you what to do and not do by any means since I have gone this path with other cars before much like many others on here.

One thing I do encourage you to do as you go is start a log of every part you put into it and piece you have to modify to get something to work. once that is done you can market a kit for others who are looking to do the same.

Good luck and maybe start a new thread for progress.

if you are gonna do this, you might as well go rear wheel drive also. 300 hp to the front wheels will net you shit performance.

Not with the right tires/wheel set up. FWD TT 3000gt/Stealth guys do it all the time, as well as AWD swaps, but with that platform you just need to bolt up he rear subframe. Much more WHP then that will give you major traction issues though. And for those who said you would need the whole AWD drivetrain i think you are wrong. With 3S's you can modify the AWD getrag trans to be FWD, i believe it requires welding the VCU. Of course a GSR 5 speed may be completely different.

I've done a lot of crazy engine swaps similar to this, although not on the Evo X chassis, usually it ends in disappointment, only because you will run into a million small cost/time setbacks that will, in the end prove to have been not worth the effort. Not telling you what to do by any means, but think about it long and hard before plunging. Would you consider a Genesis 4b11t? Price is decent and RWD.

do it and do it well. I cant wait to watch the process

I would just sell it and use that money on a daown payment on an evo or buy a turbo kit for your car. Sorry everyone cant have an evo but will give you soming to work towards. Besides once u get an evo engine u will just want to modd it. Ask any of us, our addiction isnt cheap.

ditch the bitch and get a evo

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Engine is under 4 grand Canadian, shipped to my doorstep. Cheapest turbo available for the 4b12 is what, 4300 USD plus a tune and install? Plus, on a dyno it puts me at 225whp, whereas the 4b11t would be making closer to 250whp? (not too sure on that one, I've seen alot of mixed numbers). Also, the engine gives me a great base to upgrade on if I'd ever want to, seeing as it is able to take a lot more power than the 4b12. Brembo's aren't a big deal, and I love my seats. Motor would be pulled by myself, as well as the install. Believe me, I'm not trying to get defensive, just stating the facts on my end. Thanks though, input is appreciated.


Just to let you know,

The 4b12 is a great motor. As a matter of fact, Magnus has developed a low compression pistons and rods for that particular motor.

It has a 97mm stroke so it makes GOOOOBS of low end grunt. If you chucked in a set of Magnus stroker low compression pistons, Magnus rods, head studs and rod bolts and some race barings, threw on a turbo from an EVOX you could potentially out power the 4b11T easily.

The 4B11T has a 86mm stroke but the crank has 50mm journals.
The 4B12 has a 97mm stroke but the crank has 48mm journals. (hence the larger displacement) maybe your way way safer option then totally dismantling the Lancer.

Only thing to figure out would be the ECU tunning.

All the best,

NEWB

to make into a fwd turbo car, I'd just buy something else...

and everybody thought paulekas was crazy.:neener:

Thanks for the support :)

I am all for this idea to, matter of fact I was thinking about doing this seeing that the 08 evo x engine is pretty cheap I saw one on ebay but I rather buy it from a company may I know what website sells an 08 4b11 forced induction engine. But I also have two plans either do the swap you are doing or maybe their could be a more simpler route to take. Why not just build up our n/a 4b11 with evo x parts. Evo x block + Evo x header + Brian Crower stroker kit + Evo x crank + arp head studs + Evo x intake manifold, evo x pulley if possible if not leave the stock pulley or the rrm pulley,Energy Polyurethane motor mounts to reinforce the moto mount, and install all that at once along with a high boosted forced induction turbo or supercharger. But of course before doing all that if you have a cvt transmission since rrm tested out our transmission with forced induction and the only thing that got owned by the forced induction pressure was the cvt belt. So first things first before building up the engine and add forced induction turbo or supercharger, you would need to wait untill mods come out for the cvt transmission which is bound to come out to make the cvt more stronger under forced induction pressure. Levelten.com said they also like the new automatic cvt transmission and are going to start working on bullet proof cvt transmission this year. rrm and mitsubishi are working together to build a stronger cvt belt which is the main problem with the cvt transmission, I sent jatco an inquire seeing that they are making stronger cvt belts which is a big +. and once you knock out and solve the transmission problem it would be a BIG + to get stronger custom cv and axles from, thedriveshaftshop.com which would cost $800 which is lovely. So Transmission and stronger axles come first then the engine build up with evo x parts along with a turbo or supercharger to install everything in one hit because driving a build up engine with no forced induction I heard feels like crap etc. oh and dont listen to that guy saying why would you want to make our car fast just because it has squishy suspension and other crap that didn't make sense, thats why they have racing suspension kits and racing brakes and its not that expensive. I'll add as much money to get my car at 290 hp with 300 torque I love fwd its the underrated awd and of course after getting my car faster I would love to add some brown leather racing seats, I think I just had a mangasm lol :godance:

dude no ones saying it cant be done? but the costs would not make the project not worth it.

It would probably be better ditching the 4b11 and installing a 4g63t from the older evos as the parts are more available and alot cheaper.

I cant see you getting an engine + turbo and Trans for under $6000. I seen an 4b11t engine for sale on ebay yesterday from latvia selling for £4000 GBPs about $6500!!?? they are not cheap, i dont think you could use the NA 4b11 bottom end?

no. this. bad. Just do it to a honda or 240 its been done before so youll know beforehand all the possible issues and you can do it cheap.

LOL..... instead of wasting money and time just buy the EVO!!!

LOL..... instead of wasting money and time just buy the EVO!!!:+1:i know!! i dont get the whole..."lets try and turn my crapy lancer into an evo just cos its got a 4b11 engine" thing lol