http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_D3CWrVzx8 , i couldnt belieave it untill i saw it.......i cant belieave it.:wtfsign:

Omgz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Holy Repost!!!!!!!!!

oh my bad, didnt know.....sry

its freakin cool though. I had'nt seen it. Good news for the RallyArt though!!!:godance:

just to let you know teher are three parts to that video, lol

are they worth watching?

i guess i just really watched the first one cause of the drag race.

Jon i was so right !!!!!!!!! BUHHHHHHHH

Believable to me honestly....I knew the fastest drag cars in the world were automatics you can't beat there consistence...but its pretty cool to see it has finally trickled down into the street level of performance.

Seeing how the GSR performs around the same as the JDM one (straight line), SST is probably the same the as the JDM as well.

its the same old story with the vw's to. DSG is faster than the 6speed.

Cant wait to see how the RallyArt will be against the WRX with the SST!

Cant wait to see how the RallyArt will be against the WRX with the SST!

It should already have power and weight on its side this wont be a transmission or driver battle in there stock form.

Shorter Gears means faster accel. The SST also shifts lightning fast, i'm not really surprised.

The RallyArt lancer is a watered down booboo version of the evo....it wont even compare.:ghey:

They already said the X-MR is faster then any Pro in a Manual.

Automatics are always faster. That is, good automatics. Pro stock drags all use autos. The reason is the shift time is reduced to nil instead of your average 500ms

Yeah Automatics are always faster they just dont know whats in front of them all the time...so circuit/road tracks are difficult for them...usually involves late and more aggressive braking to trick the computer to go down a gear.

You guys do realize you're comparing a 5-speed with a 6-speed. You're pretty much kidding yourselves if you think that video proves anything about the transmission.

You guys do realize you're comparing a 5-speed with a 6-speed. You're pretty much kidding yourselves if you think that video proves anything about the transmission.

Or this post could just be a case of denial...>_>

You guys do realize you're comparing a 5-speed with a 6-speed. You're pretty much kidding yourselves if you think that video proves anything about the transmission.

IT IS SAYING A LOT ABOUT THE TRANSMISSION, BECAUSE ITS COMPARING THEM BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!

What I find funny is now that the "automatic" is being acknowledge as faster manual lovers are going "Well it won cause its a 6 spd and the manuals a 5 speed it doesnt prove anything"

Obviously a 12 speed bike also < 5 spd and 6 spd :rolleyes:

None of you understand basic math. I'm embarassed for all of you. If you think that the fact that one is a 5-speed and the other is a 6-speed doesn't make a difference you're just not that smart.

And for the record I drive an automatic, don't like manuals, and would only get an Evo if it comes with the SST. Still doesn't change reality.

None of you understand basic math. I'm embarassed for all of you. If you think that the fact that one is a 5-speed and the other is a 6-speed doesn't make a difference you're just not that smart.

And for the record I drive an automatic, don't like manuals, and would only get an Evo if it comes with the SST. Still doesn't change reality.


Be embarassed for us then...but I get the strong feeling you wouldnt be opening your mouth at all if the Manual was the one that had won.

None of you understand basic math. I'm embarassed for all of you. If you think that the fact that one is a 5-speed and the other is a 6-speed doesn't make a difference you're just not that smart.

And for the record I drive an automatic, don't like manuals, and would only get an Evo if it comes with the SST. Still doesn't change reality.

trust me, the amount of gears has little to do with it. the technology, and gearing ratio is!! A normal 5-speed automatic can be out-performed by a 5-speed manual of you have the right driver. This is not a normal automatic Saturn boy!!

Wow. I don't even know where to begin.

This is very, very simple. No 5-speed and 6-speed are going to share the same gear ratios especially when you're talking about the same car. So, it's not a fair test to say that the SST is an inherently faster transmission when you're comparing apples to oranges. If both cars weighed the same (which they don't), were driven by enough drivers in enough conditions in enough instances to rule out variability (which it wasn't), and had the same gear ratios (which they don't) then we could conclude something. All this test proves is that in one instance, with one set of drivers, one car that weighs more than another, with a different set of gears, goes faster in a straight line for a certain distance. This isn't even close to a useful, scientific test.

Over a year ago the GLI was tested with a DSG vs. manual. They had the roughly the same gear ratios and weighed very close to each other. That test showed that the DSG variant was faster in the 1/4" once the drivers got the hang of how to launch it (the launch control wasn't all that good and allowed for tons of tire spin and wheel hop if you overdid it).

If you took 4 seconds to actually read my posts you'll notice that nowhere did I say anything derogatory towards automatics, the SST, torque converters, the Evo, or anything you idiot fanbois else want to concoct. You're so keen on trying to prove that you know something else that someone else doesn't you create a make believe argument in an attempt to prove your vast superiority for knowing something you read on wikipedia or saw on YouTube.

While this site is clearly a good repository for information it seems as though the vast majority of the people on Evo boards are immature, stupid teenagers that will destroy their credit trying to pay for a car that they can't afford so they can pretend like they're race car drivers. I can deal with dreamers who hope to one day be able to afford their dream car, but I can't deal with the sheer overabundance of ill-informed fanbois who struggle with the most basic of grammatical constructs in an attempt to sound important. It is a complete and utter joke.

I think I'll just stick to reading posts and stop posting. Trying to engage in a conversation is a waste of time.

dude you're so emotional!!! Is not a direct comparison goober! They're just the 2 transmissions offered by the Evo X, so its easy to compare since it is the same vehicle, chasis, engine, etc.
Chill out, apples and oranges are two popular fruits, and some like apples while others like oranges!!!
Would you like a Fuji apple or a Navel orange Saturn??:D

Seriously BWHAHAHA

Dude I'd like to point out no one here took this video as gospel. We just decided to challenge the fact that 1. You took this video far more seriously then any of us did. 2. You assumed because we posted the video and were optimisic about the SST that we took this video as gospel to the transmission. 3. You haven't actually tried to have any conversation for that matter instead all you've done is belittled a video in an attempt to be some sort of pseudo-intellectual when it comes to transmissions.

WE could argue VARIABLES all day but that would turn this in to a fallacious arguement which gets no where. There are many infinite possiblities out there to prove the 5 spd faster. Just as there is an infinite number of possiblities to prove the SST faster.

So my advice take a chill pill. Stop making ignorant statements and get on with life. If everyone on here took everything in life as serious as you I'm sure we wouldnt even have an Evo X Forum.

Lets make this a debate and discussion about facts. Not one about name calling (or baiting)

Saturn, your last post although informative didn't need the last paragraph. I'd also ask the rest of you to cool it also and get back on track with the thread.

This could be a good thread, discussing SST vs Manual if\where 'any' performance comparison 'can' be made, if there is opinion and info about it, we should discuss and debate it.

We're here to swap information, gain knowledge and challenge our own conceptions.. or misconceptions not to start flaming or put down people.

Wtf for a minute I was thinking I was over at evom

I might add to this discussion in saying that most of the literature I've read states that the MR is faster than the GSR if an average driver got behind both wheels. A very good 'manual' driver could 'keep up' with the MR or possibly dare I say it 'beat it'.
Note this is for the track - I haven't read anything about a straight drag race, but I would guess that the MR would win due to faster shift times, although in saying that; both cars will have different launching limits + the variables below which may influence the endgame) Obviously the video states that the MR is king, although I'd like to see a couple more runs thrown in.. I'm sure the MR would start overheating and slowdown\blow up, leaving the GSR to win :)

Time will tell, once the MR gets out on the streets and has a few months of road/tracktime under its belt against the GSR.

The variables:
- Car weight\distibution may be different
- SST shift times and technology will be different (faster) from manual shift times
- Launch limits.
- SST integration with SAWC?
- Gear Ratio
- (any others?)

The question is do these (or one of these) variables make the stock Manual or the SST potentially faster?

Non Variables: Same driver, same level of driver skill with manual and SST, same track and environmental conditions.


This thread also covers similar information:

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1158&highlight=SST+manual

true

The SST is pretty much a manual transmission in the way it operates. It has two independent clutches, and the dang thing pre-loads your next gear, which allows it to shift through the gears very rapidly. This is NOT your average automatic transmission. It is a very complex piece of work, that requires a lot of computer control to even operate properly.

It is, without a doubt, better then a standard manual transmission when it comes to speed of shifts, down shifting (it rev matches for you), and track events (you can keep your hands on the wheel). The down side is its a closed transmission that cant be worked on, will be prone to more issues that a standard MT, and is a new technology for Mitsubishi. In fact, if it weren't for this complex transmission, the MR would already be out.

All I can say is everyone should be marveling at this transmission. Its truly amazing that a sub 40k car is getting such an amazing piece of technology!

1. the guy in the 5sp only shifted at 6000rpm????? 2. I know for a fact the 5sp mt WILL hold more power than the SST. 3.the so called automatic is NOT an automatic in the first place, its a MANUEL, TWIN -->CLUTCH<-- (key word) with ALOT of techology, the SST is amazeing, but tell the guy to shift at 7600rpm next time and we will see what happens.;)

1. the guy in the 5sp only shifted at 6000rpm????? 2. I know for a fact the 5sp mt WILL hold more power than the SST. 3.the so called automatic is NOT an automatic in the first place, its a MANUEL, TWIN -->CLUTCH<-- (key word) with ALOT of techology, the SST is amazeing, but tell the guy to shift at 7600rpm next time and we will see what happens.;)


theres no power up that high, unless its tuned!

just look at the video and he's shifting at 7200rpms thats higher then the mr's 7000rpm shift. sry i dont mean to make a big deal bout this but its true

Its well known the EVO X makes its best pull from power at 6000RPMS because the boosts drops off a little to drastically for our taste

So while I wouldnt call it an advantage or disadvantage but working with the best you're given.

Automatics are for those who dont know how to use the stick. PERIOD

Automatics are for those who dont know how to use the stick. PERIOD


Well thank god the TC-SST is not an automatic... I was worried there for a second

/sarcasm.

looks good!

Automatics are for those who dont know how to use the stick. PERIOD

Or for those that know but don't want to. Look, there are reasons for going with an automatic, and the nice thing is that the SST is not necessarily a downgrade and in the stock Evo X is actually the better performer. So don't go slamming people because they don't want the 5 MT.

I've been having fun in my 5 MT, and recently took to practicing my downshifting while blipping the throttle to rev-match. Works well on the street at the low level of rpm, in ~2,000 rpm in 3rd, clutch in, blip revs to ~3,000 and shift smoothly into 2nd. Need to try it at higher rpms and maybe try it dropping from 4th straight to 2nd (more likely on a track, no?).

Not quite at the heal-toe stage yet (braking and down-shifting and rev-matching in a corner). Need the right road to practice that on. Also, the way my pedals are set, I don't think heal and toe are the right parts of my foot to work, more like the ball of my foot on the brake and the middle right side of my foot on the gas. I also need to wear my driving shoes and try these things!

Hmm my blip almost comes without me doing it if that makes sense. I might get it checked out. It seems to keeping slight blips for 2ms longer during gear shifts (on acceleration). Perhaps I need to work some more on my clutching. Certainly didnt happen in my Evo2

The SST is not faster than the 5 speed from a launch, see almost every single recent test that has been done. The SST with its launch control (While in super sport mode, holding the break down while revving the engine) will only allow 5000k on the tach for launch. It will slip the clutch to limit the amount of torque transmitted. The manual seems to be very hefty as there is no longer the restriction on revs that the VIIIs and IXs had. So it can be pushed up to the optimum rev range and launched from there. Road & Track tested both and say the SST loses about .2-.3 seconds for it. Also they mentioned that the manual felt more powerful around the track again because the SST was slipping the clutch to limit the torque. However they felt more comfortable with the MR's combination of not having to shift, better suspension set up and lighter wheels. So around the track it just nipped the manual in their hands. I personally would only purchase a manual because I enjoy the feel of it and controlling down shifts on my own especially in the snow or rain. But I would love to toy around with the SST and feel like an F1 or WRC pilot. It is a fantastic transmission and there are many people saying it eclipses the DSGs and SMGs from VW and BMW. It also gives the Ferrari's transmission a run for its money for a lot lower cost though with it seems a lower torque capacity. It may well end up replacing automatics as we know them (which would be a great thing, slush boxes make me cringe)

That video seems like a promo, and was from a long while ago on JDM Evo's as well.
With the new MR's programming that seems to be needed before they are released maybe that will improve its launching performance but I don't see it gaining more than a tenth. Though you never know.

Happy spirited and safe driving all. :drive:

i need to start track racing so i can understand this heal toe talk, dose it come normally or what, let me know plz.

The SST is pretty much a manual transmission in the way it operates. It has two independent clutches, and the dang thing pre-loads your next gear, which allows it to shift through the gears very rapidly. This is NOT your average automatic transmission. It is a very complex piece of work, that requires a lot of computer control to even operate properly
Good knowledge. :+1: