: Boost limit in 1st gear


LVSBB6
12-10-2009, 08:50 PM
Has anyone removed the 1st gear boost limit in SST? Objective is to improve launching without using launch control. Anyone know how to make this work?

hollywood_X
12-10-2009, 09:14 PM
Just FYI for anyone looking to disable any of their limiters on the SST cars, use extreme caution. I cant get into it further and information is still being collected but increasing power and turning limiters off is not a good idea as of right now.

gunzo
12-11-2009, 08:58 AM
Just FYI for anyone looking to disable any of their limiters on the SST cars, use extreme caution. I cant get into it further and information is still being collected but increasing power and turning limiters off is not a good idea as of right now.

nothing wrong with it .. you're just increasing the wear on the clutches ..just like a manual car ..

hollywood_X
12-11-2009, 02:17 PM
nothing wrong with it .. you're just increasing the wear on the clutches ..just like a manual car ..

Not entirely the same, and Im saying this from experience adding too much power on these without proper upgrades will result in catastrophic failure. Way more than just wearing out some clutches.

Martin Donnon
12-11-2009, 07:04 PM
Not entirely the same, and Im saying this from experience adding too much power on these without proper upgrades will result in catastrophic failure. Way more than just wearing out some clutches.

Please elaborate hollywood, would certainly be interested in hearing about this catastrophic failure :shades:

hollywood_X
12-11-2009, 07:22 PM
Please elaborate hollywood, would certainly be interested in hearing about this catastrophic failure :shades:

As of now I can't get into the the reasons why I am warning people. I will just say that with the SST and how it operates you dont have the same forgiving clutch slip that the GSR's have. The pressure plate in my manual has the same clamping pressure at all times if Im not pushing in on the clutch pedal. With the SST its not the same type of setup the clamping pressure (again not an expert on this) it is dependent on hydro pressure that is dependent on rpm.

A larger turbo with stock like spool will increase the power by 30+ % but your clamping force will not if that makes sense. I just want to caution people against adding too much power to quickly until the experts in these matters sort out the data for the how's and why's.

Vauge I know but I just dont want to see any decimated engines from pushing the limits.

Martin Donnon
12-11-2009, 07:29 PM
We understand the operation of the SST transmission well :)
and also the behaviour of wet clutches and ther friction index. Its our business. Unlike a conventional dry clutch arrangement the transmission fluid in the SST acts as a cooling agent for the clutch faces, so that slip - when it occurs - doesnt cause the same catastrophic wear as it does in a dry application. More so we were interested to hear about any failures you may directly know of :)

steelbahamut
12-11-2009, 08:00 PM
Martin, have you removed any of the SST limits?

gunzo
12-11-2009, 11:18 PM
We understand the operation of the SST transmission well :)
and also the behaviour of wet clutches and ther friction index. Its our business. Unlike a conventional dry clutch arrangement the transmission fluid in the SST acts as a cooling agent for the clutch faces, so that slip - when it occurs - doesnt cause the same catastrophic wear as it does in a dry application. More so we were interested to hear about any failures you may directly know of :)

Exactly .. in fact it buffers better than manual in the shock department..

There is no difference between the 2 models .. do the wrong things and you can cause catastrophic results on ANY cas ..

been running more torque than any of you MR guys can run for almost a year now .. and at a lower rpms .. the cars are tracked almost every month ..

I will say this again .. my clutches probably won't last as long as another guy's .. but thats part of wear and tear that I've come to accept ..

HR2L
12-11-2009, 11:30 PM
Exactly .. in fact it buffers better than manual in the shock department..

There is no difference between the 2 models .. do the wrong things and you can cause catastrophic results on ANY cas ..

been running more torque than any of you MR guys can run for almost a year now .. and at a lower rpms .. the cars are tracked almost every month ..

I will say this again .. my clutches probably won't last as long as another guy's .. but thats part of wear and tear that I've come to accept ..

How much WTQ you putting down Gunz? Still running stock packs? Just curious to see how many miles you have on your car and your overall opinion of how well your clutch packs have held up with the excessive stress as well as it being tunned to allow for more TQ.

kozmic27
12-12-2009, 07:35 AM
When a wet clutch clamp limit is passed, the fluid acts as a lubricant, resulting in full unloading of the engine. Ask big power motorcycle guys if you are confused. A dry clutch, even when slipping is still loading the engine. So imagine your wet clutch hydroplaning on the metals. Now imagine this at full boost. Martin, the power levels they are talking about exceeds the help your fluid gives, and then some. All Hollywood is saying is be carefull. The toque limit tables are now adjustable (at least for Cobb guys). Find out where your clutch starts to slip, and set those limits BELOW that. Might not guarantee everything hangs in there, but it will at least give you a fighting chance.

gunzo
12-12-2009, 09:26 AM
The toque limit tables are now adjustable (at least for Cobb guys). Find out where your clutch starts to slip, and set those limits BELOW that. Might not guarantee everything hangs in there, but it will at least give you a fighting chance.

The clutches doesn't slip .. so you don't really get any indications :p

The ECU detects 50 rev/s (sorry not sure abou the scaling yet) and disengages the clutches totally .. found this out on a suspected slipping gearbox .. the guy is running Martin's stuff for test now .. THANKS AGAIN MARTIN

I have mine tested to 350ftlbs wheels now on a stock turbo .. HB is 380-390ftlbs I think .. no indications on slippage

Ultimately .. the REAL torque limit is NOT adjustable .. :D for now ..