I'm a moderator on two other car related forums and I'm seeing a lot of resistance in the acceptance of the Evo X. Some people seem to have gotten the idea that because some of the Evo X's are priced near $40k that all of them are. Here is a post that I made in reply to a member stating that they would rather go out and buy a BMW/Audi/Mercedes instead of a fully loaded $40k Evo. Let me know what you all think.

Lets do a little price comparison. The Lancer Evolution IX GSR when it very first came out had a MSRP of just under $32,000. A Brand new Evo X has an MSRP of $32,990. A brand new 2008 BMW M3 starts at over $50,000 and a '08 BMW 135i just under $35,000. We're not talking about wheeling and deals, just straight MSRP pricing. Now if you still want to go out and pay for a more refined Audi, Mercedes, BMW, whatever, go ahead. However some people love the Mitsu brand and the Evo for that matter. Sure you don't want a $40,000 fully loaded Evo, but don't knock the person who goes out and purchases one for himself.

On to my next point, If you were to buy a brand new less than 10 mile Evo IX when they were first released you pay your $32,000. Add a comparable Nav System, 18" wheels, HID's, Front Lip, Side Skirts, Rear Air Dam, S-AYC -- Not even available for USDM VIII / IX's. (Now remember these are factory options, with the exception of S-AYC, on the Evo X.) You're going to be paying the same amount if not a little bit more. Sure you can go out and get a '08 BMW 135i which MSRP's for just shy of $35,000 and goes up and over $45,000 fully loaded. You also switch from AWD to RWD which may not be the most practical thing for Minnesota winter if you daily drive your Evo. Sure the Evo X may slightly outweigh the BMW 135i, but does it corner as well? For those of you hardcore track nuts, are you really going to leave your car stock and prevent yourself from weight reduction mods? Or are you just going to buy a GSR with no options and strip it down and rebuild it into a track monster?

I'm not trying to say the X is better than the VIII or IX, I'm just trying to get you to understand that the price isn't high as you all think. We are just getting more factory options which increases the price up-front versus adding all these via after market.

NEXT: All you TC-SST haters -- I'm pretty sure that F1, WRC, etc have been using a similar technology for many years in Sequential transmissions. Some of these cars may still have a clutch pedal, but it is only used to start from a dead stop and go into reverse. Others like the Evo X MR don't even have clutch pedals. If Sequential / Paddle Shifters were really less capable than a 5/6MT why would they still be using them? If it is really going to ruin your fun to have a car without a clutch pedal then get the 5MT. You just can't beat the consistency of the TC-SST transmission with a 5MT. I know that people are going to use there car for different purposes. Some of you will primarily drag race, and some of you may primarily road track race. I think that the offering of a 5MT and a TC-SST really caters to both groups.

Just remember, not EVERYONE is going to use their car road racing, drag strips, auto cross, whatever. You're always going to have the group of people who just use a sports car as a means of transportation from point A to B.

I cant compare prices because In the UK the prices are ridiculously higher than you guys pay. But for me anyone saying they can go and buy a BMW for that price clearly knows fuck all about motoring. The price I paid for my M3 Coupe I could have gone out and bought a HOUSE with at the time. But I didnt want a house I wanted an M3. I can go out and buy 2 mercedes for the price Ive paid for my X but I dont want 1 mercedes because they are dull. The X isnt comparable to the likes of a 135 BMW because they are designed with completely different things in mind and targeting a completely different demographic. The ONLY car you can compare with the X is the Subaru because they are aimed at the same market, anything else is irrelevant because they are down to different things you want in a car. Ive had refinement in an M3, Ive had boredom in a 350Z and now i want unadulterated sheer fucking lunacy in a 360BHp 4wd road going rally car. Thats what I want and no amount of "vell built cherman engineering" could change that.

As I said anyone comparing an Evo X and a BMW, etc want shooting in the face. FACT.


N.B I dont really condone shooting people in the face, we dont even have guns over here :)

A hater IMO is someone that's jealous of the X and wants one but can't have one, so they talk down on it.

Are we comparing apples-to-apples here? I bought my VIII fully loaded (sunroof, sound, MR trim with gauge cluster) for $32 + taxes.

I'm sure that the IXs could be purchased for the same price.

When it's all said and done, most people want a decked out X and most of them are indeed coming with options which would put the average price a few grand over the IX. Add taxes, etc.. and you are looking at $40k+ easily.

Maybe that's why they are saying they could get something else?

I don't hate Evo X MR. I like it but I hate Mitshu for failure to deliver on time. Well if Mitshu did not solve the problems with MR, Im gonna buy one of the 3 cars I posted here. I'm getting tired of waiting. 4 months max form this date.

It probably comes down to two things.
For those that need justification of their current purchase they will put down whatever threatens it, even if it means evolution or a technological advance - Ego problems. Remedy: Education.
For those hating on SST, it's simply a fear of the unknown. Remedy: Imagination and open-mindedness.

It probably comes down to two things.
For those that need justification of their current purchase they will put down whatever threatens it, even if it means evolution or a technological advance - Ego problems. Remedy: Education.
For those hating on SST, it's simply a fear of the unknown. Remedy: Imagination and open-mindedness.

I get what your saying but I dont agree with it. I personally have absolutely NO desire for an SST car, I think they are completely pointless, just a gimic for those who want to be Michael Schumacher. And Ive paid $20,000 MORE for a manual Evo X than the SST version, so jealousy certainly doesnt come into the equation :shades:

The whole SST vs 5MT is a hard question for everyone I think, its like you can have the SST which is much more practical for the daily driver and it also has quicker shifts, or you can have the 5MT which more fun...toughy, they need a 5MT/SST...all in one :)

I get what your saying but I dont agree with it. I personally have absolutely NO desire for an SST car, I think they are completely pointless, just a gimic for those who want to be Michael Schumacher. And Ive paid $20,000 MORE for a manual Evo X than the SST version, so jealousy certainly doesnt come into the equation :shades:

Yes, but your car comes with an extra few ponies so it's not exactly apples:apples.

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Yes, but your car comes with an extra few ponies so it's not exactly apples:apples.

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True, but my point was Im happy to spend more to get more HP whereas I could have been desperate for the flappy paddle, which Im not :thumbup:

I like how people in the UK call paddle shifts flappy paddles :-D. Maybe people do in the US too but not anyone around where I live. That's not meant to be an insult just think its funny.

Thats another phrase that came from top gear :D

It probably comes down to two things.
For those that need justification of their current purchase they will put down whatever threatens it, even if it means evolution or a technological advance - Ego problems. Remedy: Education.

I'd agree with this statement.
But it also comes down to Self-assuredness and security. I have a mate that has an Rs4. There is no put down between the two of us.. we both enjoy and give respect to each others cars. I think if you are a true car lover, you will have preferences but certainly have respect to other performance cars out there.

SST vs 5MT is separate argument.

My question with the SST is will it be like vw's DSG, with horsepower limits. 260's seem to be the best they can do with that tranny (to the wheels) without it having problems.

^^^

Most likely, but I hope it at can least hold 300 whp without blowing up.

^ HKS Kansai's SST car (silver) seems to be able to have 380 hp. think torque is the limiting factor?

One lives in hope.

at least I have no choice with my gtr

there are just many unanswerd questions with the evo x and the sst for that matter, every one will soon open there eyes and all the haters will be lovers, this happend with the evo 1 when it came out, its just a phase that each geration of cars goes thru, i really think the reason behind makeing just a 6sp sst and not a 6sp mt also is because they wanted plp to give it a chance, because all of us here would get the mt over the sst hands down, but since we are force to choose the sst for a 6sp i think our eyes wil be opend to how great it really is, now me being a guy who wants the 5sp, enjoy the thrill of going thru the gears and feeling the vibration of the motor thru the stick shift, its just a different feeling, witch ever one you choose to have the car will be more excitement then we could ask for, so all we can do is sit down and wait for the author to wright the rest of the book to see how the endng turns out to be :thumbup:

i know what you all mean...today when i was driving home from Chinatown Showoff (car show) in LA...there was a white evo 7 i think...behind me...nice looking car...so i let him pass me..and wanted to say hi....meaning waving my hand..but the fool looked at me and started to rev his engine...and started to cut me off...i'm like...wow...man i just want to give you a thumbs up for a nice car!! then he rolls down his window and says...lets go!! i wanna see how bad i could kill this EVO X....so i just slowed down..and let him pass...





Rene

what a jerkoff

i know what you all mean...today when i was driving home from Chinatown Showoff (car show) in LA...there was a white evo 7 i think...behind me...nice looking car...so i let him pass me..and wanted to say hi....meaning waving my hand..but the fool looked at me and started to rev his engine...and started to cut me off...i'm like...wow...man i just want to give you a thumbs up for a nice car!! then he rolls down his window and says...lets go!! i wanna see how bad i could kill this EVO X....so i just slowed down..and let him pass...





Rene

I hear ya man, there are so many people out on the road that want to test out the evo x, people that really shouldn't even be trying to keep up with it. It get really rediculous, especially on the interstate :wtfsign:

I hear ya man, there are so many people out on the road that want to test out the evo x, people that really shouldn't even be trying to keep up with it. It get really rediculous, especially on the interstate :wtfsign:
welcome to the Evo world... :rock:

thats makes me so mad....... how can you hate a car that is from the same company that you are and a new model......i just dont get it, its an EVO mother !@#$ing X! i mean come on!!!!!!!!!!

lets face it some peope are afraid of change,you will never give anyone the full satisfaction.they just go on and on about how the previous car was better untill the new one proves better in every way.after that you get now i see why this car was made the way it was.people always find something negative to talk about in a new model.

lets face it some peope are afraid of change,you will never give anyone the full satisfaction.they just go on and on about how the previous car was better untill the new one proves better in every way.after that you get now i see why this car was made the way it was.people always find something negative to talk about in a new model.


that is so true, but understandable. To get the "old " engine to some level it was many dead ends and mistakes and tests etc.
And now with the new one you can't just jump in it, and say the new is in every segment is better. Because its just not true. Will be better? Sure, but right now its a long way to go. I would say next year defenietly will be better or we will know more. Right now we know it is capable to do amazing things . But we dont know the limits. Untill you dont know the limits hard to say or exept . Wich is logic , right?
If you are really watch the new "blind" X fans , almost 90% new evo owner or shops....
did i have to say why? And most of them call the sceptical ones: Fan boys or my favorite: haters...
Well those fan boys and haters made the evolution name famous in US. without them the new ones wouldn't even consider to get a $35k mitsubishi lancer...

i know its hurts some , but this is true . Some do understand what i'm saying ,some will later when the XI will come out...:bowlol:

yeah you're right,i think most people are to quick to judge without knowing anything about the car.they just listen to what reviews and others say and follow the crowd.

the evo x will be as legendary as the lX and the Xl will be picked on and shoved around untill is gets ripped and teras everone a new one, and so the great circle of life:workout:

I wouldn't call them haters, I'd just say they're jealous..

Thread revival? Sure!

So the other day I'm driving my boss's jeep to Home Depot. I see an VIII in the parking lot and pull over to check it out. Looks pretty nice, I notice he has a license plate frame that says "I <3 Haters" and "JDM Ego" inside of the heart. This is key! remember this!

So as I'm checking it out I see the owner walking over and figure "Oh, I'll say hi!"

I tell him I like his car and it's very nice. I then tell him I have a X.... His response?

"I don't like the X."

And he says nothing else and hops in his car...

WTF?

So hypocrite much? With that hater license plate frame? I mean, damn, it's part of the evo family. I always appreciate another car owner's car. Even if it's not something I personally like I understand that they are also a car fan. As long as they aren't a douche.

good... less evos around me the better :)

i just think that everybody wants to believe that their car is better. i dont know how many people hate on my car. there are XIIIs and IXs that talk shit cause i have the new style. even though all they have is exhaust they claim they are faster and that type of shit cause i wont race them. but when i tell them to go to the track do you think they go? hell no.

it could be jealousy but lets just face it... people dont wanna think that someone elses car is better. espessially when the same car but a new model comes out

- I love my Mitsu Evo X
- I love my MR-SST


I hate HEATERS!!!!!!:whipping:

haters are fans too

some people are just not 'quite right' in the head.. couldv been one of those.

I dunno guys .. I'm an EVO X "hater" .. but I'm not jealous since I owned one for 8 months. And in my honest opinion, it was the biggest pile of garbage I've ever driven. Too bad I had to lose so much money to figure that out. I'll stick tot he 2003 EVO VIII that we have.

I honestly think that Mitsubishi did not take enought time and research on this car before they decided to sell it. I know many first model year of cars have problems, but these cars are rediculously expensive to have such catastrophic problems. Just not worth it IMO.

I dunno guys .. I'm an EVO X "hater" .. but I'm not jealous since I owned one for 8 months. And in my honest opinion, it was the biggest pile of garbage I've ever driven. Too bad I had to lose so much money to figure that out. I'll stick tot he 2003 EVO VIII that we have.

I honestly think that Mitsubishi did not take enought time and research on this car before they decided to sell it. I know many first model year of cars have problems, but these cars are rediculously expensive to have such catastrophic problems. Just not worth it IMO.

The evo X is the first ALL NEW Evo that Mitsu released in the US. Your Evo 8 is essentially a tweaked Evo VII, so th Evo VII was the one that went through the growing pains.

Furthermore, I know of the issues you had with yours, and most of them were due to your mods.

Sure, a lot of us have had issues with shift knobs or Aero kits, but at the end of the day, those aren't that big a deal.

The evo X is the first ALL NEW Evo that Mitsu released in the US. Your Evo 8 is essentially a tweaked Evo VII, so th Evo VII was the one that went through the growing pains.

Furthermore, I know of the issues you had with yours, and most of them were due to your mods.

Sure, a lot of us have had issues with shift knobs or Aero kits, but at the end of the day, those aren't that big a deal.


Well said. Anytime you buy a first year model you get tons of issues. It doesnt matter if it is BMW, Audi, or many others. I expected them. The major issue is service. The reason to buy the X is one its looks a hell of alot better than any Evo before it (I respected their performance, but they where butt ugly), and 2 once enough R&D is done the X will be the Evo to have. It is already showing to be faster this early in developement. (Im not talking about drag strip I could car less.)

Well said. Anytime you buy a first year model you get tons of issues. It doesnt matter if it is BMW, Audi, or many others. I expected them. The major issue is service. The reason to buy the X is one its looks a hell of alot better than any Evo before it (I respected their performance, but they where butt ugly), and 2 once enough R&D is done the X will be the Evo to have. It is already showing to be faster this early in developement. (Im not talking about drag strip I could car less.)

Thats sort of true about all first year model cars having many issues. But its not always with all of them. My buddy bought a nissian titan the first year the came out and it had many problems. My dad bought a merc 350 the first week they released them a little over a year ago has only had one small issue with it. That was the they had a recall for some latch or metal clip or something. It was something that we never new was on the car. Took it in and an hour later they gave back to us and never had anothe problem since. Maybe we got a good car and other new c-class models had a little more trouble, but none that I heard of. But yeah, the 08 x imo was a good and still is a good car. All those little small issues with seats falling apart or shift knobs or rattles should be no biggy to a real evo lover. It's a big improvement imo over the IX and VIII. Sucks that the economy is real bad though that many people who want to try the X out can't. I'm sure if many could afford to, many many more people would see the car's true purpose in a every day livable fun form. my .02cents though.

Oh and yeah haters....tell me about it. People need to learn to respect whats not theres.

Furthermore, I know of the issues you had with yours, and most of them were due to your mods.

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That actually couldn't be further from the truth. I had many, many problems within 4k miles. I didn't start modding it until after I gave up on them every fixing the clutch under warranty. Even after I took everything off and had Al flash it back to stock, I still had problems with the S-AWC. At that point, still not being able to drive it to work, I traded the stupid thing in.

I enjoy my SRT on so many more levels, other than the fact that I can beat the living snot out of the car and it doesn't even hiccup. My EVO couldn't even withstand 10 track passes .. (stupid thing broke the case to the rearend, not the diff or anything, just the case). My SRT has 150+ track passes EASY with the worst problem being popping off vaccum lines. I'm a drag racer, and I drive my cars hard for the 1/4 at the track. Given, the X is a road race car, it needs to stay just that.

That actually couldn't be further from the truth. I had many, many problems within 4k miles. I didn't start modding it until after I gave up on them every fixing the clutch under warranty. Even after I took everything off and had Al flash it back to stock, I still had problems with the S-AWC. At that point, still not being able to drive it to work, I traded the stupid thing in.

I enjoy my SRT on so many more levels, other than the fact that I can beat the living snot out of the car and it doesn't even hiccup. My EVO couldn't even withstand 10 track passes .. (stupid thing broke the case to the rearend, not the diff or anything, just the case). My SRT has 150+ track passes EASY with the worst problem being popping off vaccum lines. I'm a drag racer, and I drive my cars hard for the 1/4 at the track. Given, the X is a road race car, it needs to stay just that.


Sucks, sorry to hear about all those issues. Especially on a new car. But maybe you had a lemon car dude? Alot of people here have had the car for a long time now and have not had any issues at all. Others have had many. I guess people got a good car, an okay car, or like you a lemon. Either way I don't blame you for trading it in. I would had probably did the same thing. I had an 08 GTS that I traded in after 10 months because that thing kept giving me problems also. But none the less. IMO the X is a big improvement over last year models. But everyone has their opinions.

And those SRTs are fun to drive. Espcially when modded.

^^^LOL Not a Dude. I guess could be if he was :ghey:

Mine was probably a lemon. Or I just have bad luck. I thinkt he car is perfect for road racing, auto-x type situations .. the S-AWC is definitely superior.

Everyone always thinks I'm a dude lol...

got 23,750 mis on mine the only problem that i have is i need braking fluid or new pads dont know yet and i think my clutch is about to go. those are my only issues

Mine was probably a lemon. Or I just have bad luck. I thinkt he car is perfect for road racing, auto-x type situations .. the S-AWC is definitely superior.

Everyone always thinks I'm a dude lol...

haha my bad. Sorry. Didn't think about it. Yeah most likely a lemon.