Another great find from a post on evom made by Eric, of AMS. Here it is...

OK guys... the wait is over. Not only have we tested all the parts we have made so far but we have now made an astonishing 87WHP OVER STOCK!!!!!

This first chart is showing our EVO X stock compared to it with our Manual boost controller and MAF pipe / Intake pipe. You can clearly see that the gains are AWESOME!!! 45WHP from just a MAF pipe and a boost controller.

Boost was set to 22 psi and tapered to 16-17

http://amsteam.net/files/2/maf%26mbc.jpg

Next on the list of parts tested was the AMS race series Catback exhaust. Again nothing was changed from above except the addition of the AMS catback. So the parts on the car up to this point are:

AMS MAF intake pipe
AMS boost controller
AMS Race series Catback Exhuast

Another 15 WHP Gain!!!!!

Here is a direct comparison between the Intake pipe and MBC and now with the addition of the catback

http://amsteam.net/files/2/cat-backvsmafmbc.jpg

And now all three parts Vs Stock. This would be close to a stage 1 kit for a customer

http://amsteam.net/files/2/cat-back.jpg

Now we add another AMS product to the party. Its time to add a Test pipe to the mix. So now we are up to:

AMS MAF INTAKE PIPE
AMS Boost Controller
AMS Catback
AMS Test pipe

15 WHP GAIN!!!!! just from a test pipe!

Here are the previous parts compared with the addition of the test pipe:

http://amsteam.net/files/2/testpipe-vs-catback.jpg

And now everything up to this point compared to stock:

http://amsteam.net/files/2/testpipe.jpg

We are not done yet. How about we add on An AMS Front Mount intercooler. So now we have the following on the car

AMS MAF INTAKE PIPE
AMS Boost Controller
AMS Catback
AMS Test pipe
AMS Front Mount Intercooler

Another 10 WHP!!!!!

Not only did it pick up 10whp but the stock core would lose 5hp between pulls. The AMS FMIC keep the runs very consistent, fluctuating only a couple HP between pulls.

Here is a chart comparing all previous mods to the newly added FMIC:

http://amsteam.net/files/2/amsic-vs-testpipe.jpg

And again all mods to this point Vs Stock.... amazing!

http://amsteam.net/files/2/AMSIC.jpg

And last but not least is the AMS upper IC pipe. To be honest when we looked at the stock piece we all assumed this would be a strictly aesthetic piece and no real HP was to be made. Sometimes its good to be proven wrong.

The AMS Upper IC pipe for the EVO X not only picked up 5 more peak Whp peak but it made more power everywhere and as much as 10WHP in the MIDRANGE!!!!

So now to date we have:

AMS MAF INTAKE PIPE
AMS Boost Controller
AMS Catback
AMS Test Pipe
AMS FMIC
AMS Upper IC pipe

A pretty basic list of parts that is making 87 WHP OVER STOCK

So here we have all parts previous compared to the addition of the Upper IC pipe

http://amsteam.net/files/2/amsuicp-vs-ic.jpg

And now the final Chart... the one we have been talking about here at the shop all day

Stock Vs the parts on the car now

87 WHP GAIN!

AND STILL STOCK (but safe) UNTUNED ECU!!!!

http://amsteam.net/files/2/AMSUICP.jpg


I Think its safe to say the EVO X is earning it colors nicely. Based on this I would have no problem picking one up myself.

Eric


Now, I'm sure that you guys have seen al the pics of these parts in the other ams thread, and now we have dyno graphs to go with 'em. I know, I know, your welcome.

Holy jeebus... and with a little tune! This is great stuff guys! Can't wait to see it on the market. I am so pumped to get this car!

Yeah, this is all from just breathing bolt ons, no ecu tuning yet. Just wait till it gets tuned. Another 15-20 hp, but the midrange will pick up a ton, though. Just wait.

I am not too good at looking at dyno chart, but the power is pretty liner for a turbo charged car?

And how much this i cost?

so with all of this gain(87whp) what's the street performance 0 to 60, 1/4 mile, track time comapare to stock? also with 87 whp how much will be the crank hp now. i don't know how to convert whp to crank, maybe this car is @ 400bhp already?

MBC and maf pipe and im set. that should be less than 500$ for 45 whp.

so with all of this gain(87whp) what's the street performance 0 to 60, 1/4 mile, track time comapare to stock? also with 87 whp how much will be the crank hp now. i don't know how to convert whp to crank, maybe this car is @ 400bhp already?

Yeah, 87whp is more than 100bhp. So it's safe to say that the car is already over 400hp.

The only thing I question on the dynos is the fact that the stock dyno stops at a lower speed than the rest. I wonder why.

Yeah, 87whp is more than 100bhp. So it's safe to say that the car is already over 400hp.

The only thing I question on the dynos is the fact that the stock dyno stops at a lower speed than the rest. I wonder why.



so it's more tunable than the evo 8 fq400, where they change from turbo to ecu etc... and cost so much. hmmm, let's all go to GSR drop the MR. so maybe mitshu really de tuned this car.

It's actually 84whp gain. But that's nit-picking.. :thumbup:

^323-236 = 87. Do the math. But that's nitpicking. :)

It's actually 84whp gain. But that's nit-picking.. :thumbup:



yeah,,,typo, your from plano, maybe you got the grey evo 8 i saw. im also from plano near jupiter and greenville.

a dejon tool mbc will run $50
depending on the exhaust it could be $600-1200
intake pipe ill assume is in the $150-200 range (seeing how i assume a intake pipe uses the stock airbox)
lower ic pipe ill guess will run $200-300
fmic is gonna be the costly piece probably $700+

SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET....... can't wait to get one and start modding!

Gah thats sexy...

well, the intake does not use the stock airbox. It incorporates the cone filter and maf housing, the relocation of the stock bov and soft piping, as well as the full suction piping leading to the turbo. My guess is around 300.00. And uh, you must be new to the tuning scene, because high quality front mounts usually run in the 1000.00 and up range, not 700. Of course I guess it depends on whether you buy the core by itself or the uicp and licp with it. BTW, the piece in the pic is the upper intercooler pipe, not the lower. AMS does have plans to offer a lower ic pipe soon though. See pic below...

http://amsteam.net/files/5/AMS_EVOX_%20intake01%20copy.jpg

I know it's cool to see the potential of this car, but how many people here are planning on actually putting mods on the car and voiding the warranty? If anything, this just makes me depressed knowing that Mitsubishi could have done a lot more pretty easily. Instead, we have to wait 3 years for the warranty to expire before we start adding stuff.

Or are you guys planning on removing the parts if you take it in for service? How hard is it to remove a MAF pipe and boost controller?

I know it's cool to see the potential of this car, but how many people here are planning on actually putting mods on the car and voiding the warranty? If anything, this just makes me depressed knowing that Mitsubishi could have done a lot more pretty easily. Instead, we have to wait 3 years for the warranty to expire before we start adding stuff.

Or are you guys planning on removing the parts if you take it in for service? How hard is it to remove a MAF pipe and boost controller?
I think like any bolt on parts don't void the warranty though

I know it's cool to see the potential of this car, but how many people here are planning on actually putting mods on the car and voiding the warranty? If anything, this just makes me depressed knowing that Mitsubishi could have done a lot more pretty easily. Instead, we have to wait 3 years for the warranty to expire before we start adding stuff.

Or are you guys planning on removing the parts if you take it in for service? How hard is it to remove a MAF pipe and boost controller?

are you kidding me (lol) i cancare less about the warranty . the only reasonimgetting this car is for the modds and it looks SICK i got big plans for this car when i get in in afew months i doing everything to this car after 10000 miles:rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::ro ck:

are you kidding me (lol) i cancare less about the warranty . the only reasonimgetting this car is for the modds and it looks SICK i got big plans for this car when i get in in afew months i doing everything to this car after 10000 miles:rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock:


Just a few more clicks of the ol' space bar and you'll be good to go, lol

:jk:

evoxgsr - nah, im not that new to the scene. seeing as how this is my third turbo mitsu...

but basing off the fact that the ams intercooler for the viii and ix is $729, i think its fair to say $700+

also, that is in fact in a traditional sense the LOWER intercooler pipe as its not the piper that runs to the intake manifold. its the pipe before the intercooler. where as the upper is usually the pipe that runs to the intake manifold.

Official price list for all those parts please!!! :) (excluding installation)

I would say that you risk voiding the warrenty if MMC decide that any of the bolt ons you've put on 'caused' the issue/malfunction you are trying to claim on.

I will be taking the hit on the warrenty as I can't be arsed waiting for 3 years. I will give it 6-8 months or aleast 15,000 kms to see if there are any 'teething' issues..

so far so good 4 months and 5000kms so far.

Are you guys going to be offering color options on the piping? *crosses fingers for blue and black*

I know it's cool to see the potential of this car, but how many people here are planning on actually putting mods on the car and voiding the warranty? If anything, this just makes me depressed knowing that Mitsubishi could have done a lot more pretty easily. Instead, we have to wait 3 years for the warranty to expire before we start adding stuff.

Or are you guys planning on removing the parts if you take it in for service? How hard is it to remove a MAF pipe and boost controller?
Ummm..........Evo X Modification Poll = http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1757

Tokeone, the term upper and lower are relative to whether the pipes run along the bottom side of the motor or the top. The terms have nothing to do with whether they lead to the throttle body or the turbo. You can't apply the terms usage on the 9 to the changed locations on the X. The turbo is in a new location and so are the pipes. End of story. Ask AMS, they'll tell you the same thing. Not trying to be rude, just stating the facts. Also, if you actually red my post, you should've seen the part where I said that the intercooler would most likely be in the 1000 dollar range, but then said that it would depend on whether or not you bought the core by itself or with the upper and lower ic pipes with it as a complete set. The intercooler pipes will probably run 150-200 dollars a piece, so 700 for the core+300-400 for the ic pipes and your at 1000-1100 dollars. Read first, open mouth later.
:whipping:

thats funny cause they talk about how its the lower pipe in their thread on evom (page 3 " Lastly on the slate and just about ready to sell is the Lower Intercooler pipe")even though its on top of the motor...
also, not opening your mouth would fully pertain to your comment on the intercooler specially since we were pricing the piping separate (cause as most of us found out in the viii and ix changing the lower pipe didnt yield results cause of the small opening off the turbo intake dump pipe.) so most people stuck to just changing the upper pipe to remove 30% of the bends.

you started the flame but it would probably be best to listen to your own advice of read first, open mouth second, before you attempt to call people out for no real reason. i was giving rough numbers for people to be helpful in what they might be looking to spend on specific pieces if they wanted to do something similar and you came in and started being a know it all a$$hat.

i really see no need for most of your comments in this thread

This is a great thread. Keep it civil and factual team. Will wait for official pricing with bated breath.

Tokeone, you need to read the thread from ams and revise your answer. They said that the location of the pipe is roughly the same as the lower intercooler pipe on the evo 9, but that because of the turbo's config and location, they used that routing path for the UPPER INTERCOOLER PIPE on the X. I wasn't being a jerk in my last post, I was just pointing out that you were in FACT wrong. When I said read first, open mouth later, I was just joking around, and you're being oversensitive. And like I said before, the intercooler prices that I gave was based on buying the intercooler WITH the intercooler pipes. AMS said that they are working on a lower intercooler pipe for the X based on the surprising gain in horsepower from the upper pipe, which was initially expected to be purely asthetic; hence the 1000 range which I broke down piece by piece in my above post. So chill out and quit taking the thread that I STARTED off topic.

^323-236 = 87. Do the math. But that's nitpicking. :)

293 - 281 = 12whp not 15whp. Look at the run chart for the second mod.

yeah,,,typo, your from plano, maybe you got the grey evo 8 i saw. im also from plano near jupiter and greenville.

I do. Where did you see me? I hardly ever take the car out.

I do. Where did you see me? I hardly ever take the car out.

maybe once or twice i saw one grey evo 8 going to dallas via 75, one time i saw blue r34 from 75 i tried to cath up with him but he went gbush... i'm sure yours is not stock, did you have any problems with the dealer? who's your dealer? Don Herring of plano?

maybe once or twice i saw one grey evo 8 going to dallas via 75, one time i saw blue r34 from 75 i tried to cath up with him but he went gbush... i'm sure yours is not stock, did you have any problems with the dealer? who's your dealer? DH of plano?

Sorry for going off-topic guys..:(

Yes, when my water pump went out, I went to the dealer in LA (where I lived at the time) and they wouldn't warranty the car with no cat and headers. I had to get it fixed elsewhere.

I'm new to Dallas/FW area and really don't trust anyone to work on my car. If I had to get it fixed, I heard of a guy named KevinD who is really good. Other than that, I'd just take it to the dealer since my car is paid for anyway.

And yes, I live near DH of Plano.

Back on Topic!

Yes, please.

Ummm.......... = http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1757
Obviously that question was a lead in to the rest of my post. Way to take the opportunity to ignore the real intent of my post just so you could be a condescending toolbag.

I'm starting to remember why I steer clear of Evo forums.

Its going to be somewhere around 383.76 bhp based on if it losses 20% at the wheels which is what the N/A lancer losses at the wheels somewhere around 20% also.

Dont worry i have put on my Flame suit .:tumbleweed:

The point i am going make here is that the Evo X seems to be a car thats not Engineered to anywhere near its potential by Mitsu , wether this is a good thing or not , i am not certain off .

If a aftermarket tuning company can get an extra 87 whp with a few minor changes like AMS what does it say about the Manufacturers efforts in Engineering and building this car ?

Cheers
Michael

I agree, lock and load, that the 4b11 wasn't tuned by mitsu to anywhere near it's potential, but I will say this; neither was the 4g63. Dr. Evo, as they call him in Japan, has designed every single evo ever made, and he knows that people buy this car to build it and modify it. I mean hell, they make every single evo for homologation purposes to race in wrc. The new evo is no exception, as mitsu has already announced that they will be using this platform for the next wrc car. I think that Dr. EVO had the car very detuned compared to what it's capable of knowing that tuners will go nuts with it. Auto manufacturers always heir on the side of conservatism and reliability than max power, so this I'm sure played a role as well. Turbo trix disassembled the motor and took pics, and their comments, along with AMS chiming in, is that the bottom end is extremely stout, and povided that the sleeves are up to the task, shoud hold pretty extreme power levels. Beefier rods, strong pistons, and 4 bolt main bearing caps for the new crank to rotate in all help make this happen. The heads are more compact because of the new valvetrain setup, and flow even more than the 9 heads, which is an accomplishment in itself. So, I'd say the car is just detuned from the factory knowing that people will modify it, and maybe they thought if the power levels were higher from the factory that these modifications would put more stress on the motor and that they would be flooded with more pain in the ass warranty claims when some yahoo making 600 hp broke something and then returned the parts back to stock to get it covered. Who knows. But, the motor is built tough, real tough, and the car is making big power with basic bolt ons, so who cares!

Tokeone, the term upper and lower are relative to whether the pipes run along the bottom side of the motor or the top. The terms have nothing to do with whether they lead to the throttle body or the turbo. You can't apply the terms usage on the 9 to the changed locations on the X. The turbo is in a new location and so are the pipes. End of story. Ask AMS, they'll tell you the same thing. Not trying to be rude, just stating the facts. Also, if you actually red my post, you should've seen the part where I said that the intercooler would most likely be in the 1000 dollar range, but then said that it would depend on whether or not you bought the core by itself or with the upper and lower ic pipes with it as a complete set. The intercooler pipes will probably run 150-200 dollars a piece, so 700 for the core+300-400 for the ic pipes and your at 1000-1100 dollars. Read first, open mouth later.
:whipping:


Or we can just stop being :ghey: about things and refer to them as the "hot IC pipe" and the "cold IC pipe". That way, it makes more sense.

When I said read first, open mouth later, I was just joking around, and you're being oversensitive.

No, you were being rude. This is an internet forum, not a meet up on friday night at a local parking lot. The reader has no way of knowing that you're joking, etc. At least use some emoticons or something if you're joking around with people.

@ Tunerhead & saturn - play nice. There's no need for anyone to be condescending, and there's no reason for name call. This is a damn good forum, and I aim to keep it that way.

I agree, lock and load, that the 4b11 wasn't tuned by mitsu to anywhere near it's potential, but I will say this; neither was the 4g63. Dr. Evo, as they call him in Japan, has designed every single evo ever made, and he knows that people buy this car to build it and modify it. I mean hell, they make every single evo for homologation purposes to race in wrc. The new evo is no exception, as mitsu has already announced that they will be using this platform for the next wrc car. I think that Dr. EVO had the car very detuned compared to what it's capable of knowing that tuners will go nuts with it. Auto manufacturers always heir on the side of conservatism and reliability than max power, so this I'm sure played a role as well. Turbo trix disassembled the motor and took pics, and their comments, along with AMS chiming in, is that the bottom end is extremely stout, and povided that the sleeves are up to the task, shoud hold pretty extreme power levels. Beefier rods, strong pistons, and 4 bolt main bearing caps for the new crank to rotate in all help make this happen. The heads are more compact because of the new valvetrain setup, and flow even more than the 9 heads, which is an accomplishment in itself. So, I'd say the car is just detuned from the factory knowing that people will modify it, and maybe they thought if the power levels were higher from the factory that these modifications would put more stress on the motor and that they would be flooded with more pain in the ass warranty claims when some yahoo making 600 hp broke something and then returned the parts back to stock to get it covered. Who knows. But, the motor is built tough, real tough, and the car is making big power with basic bolt ons, so who cares!

Can you post a link to the turbotrix thread? Or better yet, start a new thread with that? Gracias.

Don't know if it's true but I heard that the EvoXs are detuned to stay under 280 hp in Japan (advertised spec is 280 hp). If you go beyond 280 hp, the vehicle has more strict regulations it needs to clear from the Ministry of Transportation in Japan.

I agree, lock and load, that the 4b11 wasn't tuned by mitsu to anywhere near it's potential, but I will say this; neither was the 4g63. Dr. Evo, as they call him in Japan, has designed every single evo ever made, and he knows that people buy this car to build it and modify it. I mean hell, they make every single evo for homologation purposes to race in wrc. The new evo is no exception, as mitsu has already announced that they will be using this platform for the next wrc car. I think that Dr. EVO had the car very detuned compared to what it's capable of knowing that tuners will go nuts with it. Auto manufacturers always heir on the side of conservatism and reliability than max power, so this I'm sure played a role as well. Turbo trix disassembled the motor and took pics, and their comments, along with AMS chiming in, is that the bottom end is extremely stout, and povided that the sleeves are up to the task, shoud hold pretty extreme power levels. Beefier rods, strong pistons, and 4 bolt main bearing caps for the new crank to rotate in all help make this happen. The heads are more compact because of the new valvetrain setup, and flow even more than the 9 heads, which is an accomplishment in itself. So, I'd say the car is just detuned from the factory knowing that people will modify it, and maybe they thought if the power levels were higher from the factory that these modifications would put more stress on the motor and that they would be flooded with more pain in the ass warranty claims when some yahoo making 600 hp broke something and then returned the parts back to stock to get it covered. Who knows. But, the motor is built tough, real tough, and the car is making big power with basic bolt ons, so who cares!

I do understand that car manufacturers are concerned with emmision and warranty issues and hence detune the cars ,run them rich to pass inspection etc .Maybe Dr EVO has shares in aftermarket companies hence he keeps the car at this state of detune .

My current car the Mazda RX8 is the opposite its been engineered to the max , the only way to get a potential gain in power is by way of forced induction turbo, supercharger , or nitrious :godance: anything else has resulted in minor power gains and in some mods theres been loss of power .

Cheers
Michael

Can you post a link to the turbotrix thread? Or better yet, start a new thread with that? Gracias.

Here you go being the main Man :godance: can start a new thread if you like :thumbup:

http://www.turbotrix.com/wordpress/

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=324162

Cheers
Michael

wow!!!!! that dyno chart...just made my nipples all hard hahaha :D:jk: but wow its amazing how much power you could get out of these cars...cant wait for these parts ;)





Rene

wow!!!!! that dyno chart...just made my nipples all hard hahaha :D:jk: but wow its amazing how much power you could get out of these cars...cant wait for these parts

You're not the only one!!!... did I say that out loud?

Or maybe I didn't say anything because I'm typing and not speaking... shhhh....

F#ck Yeah!!!!!

Any chance of showing the torque curve and figures?

Amazing!

Any chance of showing the torque curve and figures?

They just posted it on their own thread...

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2298

ok now no one i sgoing to use this thread any more.

I totally have the AMS Intake and UIC piping on order as of now... well, 2 minutes ago, but who is counting?

:rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock:

And this thread will not be dead!

hahahahaha im counting!!!!!!!!!:rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock: