i'm reading these post and i'm thinking...
The evo X is superior for handling over the previus one due the S-AWC etc.
BUT the drivers are the same or new. And what i think looks like most of them are over comfident about the X. What i mean? I think most of them think the X will pull them out of trouble even, if they over shoot. So no offense for anyone , but please try to get to the limit first on the track.
One thing you need to remember, AWD is great , but unlike the RWD will punish you without warning. Basicly for beginners or unexperienced driver the awd system will give you less reaction time or less noticable warning like the rwd. So when this occur it is hard to correct it. Now with the X this limit even go further , so when the over shoot will occur you will have less time to react. The X is superior and everything, but some need to practice before try to get the X limit in the corners. Know you limit first and then try the X limits after.

so i just want to say be safe.

:thumbup:

Safety First!!

I've owned an AYC car. I'll just say that you need big balls of steel to take the new SAYC to its limits on the streets.

I've owned an AYC car. I'll just say that you need big balls of steel to take the new SAYC to its limits on the streets.

I've seen a lack of brains work just the same. :(

yep and that is what scares me. i think there is guys out there who thinks i can make this turn ,because i will get that "starnge feelings " what everybody and magazines talk about, and the car just will turn in...

Good point there.

Well put. Be safe out there guys, and sign up for some track days!

Well put. Be safe out there guys, and sign up for some track days!


Already signed up for one. And the best part.....it wont be MY X on the track :rock:

Wow, who's are you using?

Yes very good point! I am use to my old Saturn Redline which had some body roll but for a FWD could do pretty good in the twisties.....I know that AWD is hella different. That is why I am highly considering about going to this: http://lvrscca.org/?page_id=14

+1

But I don't think I have the ballz to even push the Evo X to the limit, even on the track, nonetheless on public road.

yep absolutley. well put. I found its limits on the track and it was impressive.. better to find those limits on the track than on the road.

Every new performance car owner, Evo X, STI, or otherwise, in Metro Vancouver should spend a little time at the Mission Raceway doing driver training with the instructors of Driving Unlimited. The BMW Club and MINI Cooper Club arrange these days from time to time. I would also check to see if there are any other car clubs holding track days in your locale. There may not be enough local Evo X owners, but perhaps you could set this up through Revscene.net or other car enthusiast group in Vancouver. It would be wild to take my wagon out on the track, but I'd consider it! Would have to take out the child car seat and stroller.

i'm reading these post and i'm thinking...
The evo X is superior for handling over the previus one due the S-AWC etc.
BUT the drivers are the same or new. And what i think looks like most of them are over comfident about the X. What i mean? I think most of them think the X will pull them out of trouble even, if they over shoot. So no offense for anyone , but please try to get to the limit first on the track.
One thing you need to remember, AWD is great , but unlike the RWD will punish you without warning. Basicly for beginners or unexperienced driver the awd system will give you less reaction time or less noticable warning like the rwd. So when this occur it is hard to correct it. Now with the X this limit even go further , so when the over shoot will occur you will have less time to react. The X is superior and everything, but some need to practice before try to get the X limit in the corners. Know you limit first and then try the X limits after.

so i just want to say be safe.

:thumbup:
Very Good point. And for those that read car owners manual it is on P.3-111 (Read CAUTION box under S-AWC explanation).

Wow, who's are you using?

I guess it will belong to Mitsubishi. they are having a UK launch day at Prodrive - http://www.prodrive.co.uk/level2.html?id=22

Only 3 weeks to go now :thumbup:

Sweet! Im gunna push the X to its limits, then im gunna work on extending those limits out further!

im with this post 100%. My buddy switched from an 06 RSX-S to the X and it does have some impressive handling but the first time my buddy took a turn doing 90mph I was freaking out. I know the car can handle but that is a little crazy for a highway on ramp circle. Granted the car did not make a sound so I kind of calmed down a bit and held on to the "Oh Shit Handle"! I'm pretty good when it comes to controlling cars and can feel the limit of the car from the seat. I'm just worried that some day he will turn like that again and not notice the little dust of rocks and spin right off into the ditch. I just had something recently happen to me and like I said I'm very good at handling a car I stay calm witch is the best thing. I was coming up on an on ramp and noticed I was in the wrong lane. Hit the brakes(lock up) and try and get into the other lane. I had just noticed a car in the lane and swerved back into my original lane and hit a patch of light sand. I panicked, "This was my first mistake". I was heading toward a center median and didn't want a head on collision so far away from home. I let off the brakes and let it correct and it did. I went to correct the position because even though the car was straighting itself out it wasn't fast enough. I was now heading toward a median. So when I tried correcting the position of the I felt like I was floating. I was still on sand and was heading for a median. I swerved the car to brake the sand and all it did was turn me left to right. Right back in the path of the median so I braced for the worse. BTW this all happend at 30mph. I had hit the median with my drivers side fender and my wheel took most of the blow. It was no biggy because it was my winter steelies. The car did get a big punch in the bumper but it could have been alot worse if I just slammed head on to the center divider or median. I consider it luck mostly. My skills of driving at that time went down the shitter. Sorry for the long pst just trying to make a whole connection.

My vote is take a road racing class, and go to track days once a month or every other month to let the little adolescent out every once in awhile. He or She needs to come out and place sometimes, but by all means be safe. If you think it might be tight or you may wreck just don't do it. USE YOUR BRAIN

Every new performance car owner, Evo X, STI, or otherwise, in Metro Vancouver should spend a little time at the Mission Raceway doing driver training with the instructors of Driving Unlimited. The BMW Club and MINI Cooper Club arrange these days from time to time. I would also check to see if there are any other car clubs holding track days in your locale. There may not be enough local Evo X owners, but perhaps you could set this up through Revscene.net or other car enthusiast group in Vancouver. It would be wild to take my wagon out on the track, but I'd consider it! Would have to take out the child car seat and stroller.

X owner get-together!!! WOOOOOO!!!! As soon as my X arrives and I break it (in), I'd be totally down for that! And I betcha Jackygor would too...once he gets his X.

verkion

X owner get-together!!! WOOOOOO!!!! As soon as my X arrives and I break it (in), I'd be totally down for that! And I betcha Jackygor would too...once he gets his X.

verkion

LOL JackyGor reporting! Ya, I would very interested :D

X owner get-together!!! WOOOOOO!!!! As soon as my X arrives and I break it (in), I'd be totally down for that! And I betcha Jackygor would too...once he gets his X.

verkion

those event are usually is a very humbling experience for most people with Evo's... :)

those event are usually is a very humbling experience for most people with Evo's... :)

That's ok...me = n00b so I don't have any "face" to lose. bwahahhaha. I'd rather LEARN from an expert and have fun while I'm at it...and hopefully, IMPROVE.

verkion
P.S. We'll keep the n00bi-n3ss as our little secret right? Nobody on t3h Int4rw3b will ev4r Kn0!!! :p :bowlol:

Will I need to take a training course? I watched all 4 seasons of Initial D :rock:

i'm reading these post and i'm thinking...
The evo X is superior for handling over the previus one due the S-AWC etc.

Actually, the S-AWC is a drawback.

It seems as if Mitsu "retard proofed" the car with the S-AWC and made it hyperactive. If you really want to push the car to its limits, you need to turn it off from the start and learn the limits of the car.

I can't see the X beating a IX if the SAWC is turned on unless you have and inexperienced driver.

If came into and apexed some turns so fast it scared me, and no hit the limits. If anything I slowed down so I wouldn't mess myself. So yeah, if you hit the limit, its gonna be a quick thing and scary as anything I could imagine.

Actually, the S-AWC is a drawback.

It seems as if Mitsu "retard proofed" the car with the S-AWC and made it hyperactive. If you really want to push the car to its limits, you need to turn it off from the start and learn the limits of the car.

I can't see the X beating a IX if the SAWC is turned on unless you have and inexperienced driver.

i'm speechless.

i'm speechless.


I'm looking for a reason why you're speechless....

Mayhaps it's sarcasm? Mayhaps I missed something obvious? :(

I'm looking for a reason why you're speechless....

Mayhaps it's sarcasm? Mayhaps I missed something obvious? :(


Actually, I might see what you're talking about.

I mis-spoke (typed?) when I said I couldn't see the X beating the IV around a track...WITH THE ASC TURNED ON. I should have clarified that if the ASC was turned off that I feel that the stability/handling of the X with the same driver would be superior (same *experienced* driver). However, after pushing the X around corners day-to-day on our curvy 1/2 mile driveway, the ASC as Mitsu set it up kills power WAYYYY to early.

I typically turn it off whenever I want to push the car to its REAL limits.

The car handles amazingly with all the features on in my opinion. I have already thrown the car on its limits and it has some high limits. Though as the thread starter mentioned, it still has a limit and some people may think it is limitless and when they reach it they have no time to react. Worst of all they may lack experience as well. When you turn the features off the limit is dropped significantly so clearly the S-AWC is a beautiful thing.

When you turn the features off the limit is dropped significantly so clearly the S-AWC is a beautiful thing.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

This is entirely the exact opposite of truth.

S-AWC is a *LIMITER* it kills power when you hit a certain g-force and it reads (what the computer thinks) "slip" or the point of it (or in real world with this car--WAYYY before that happens).

So what people in this thread are saying is that having a computer that limits throttle *BEFORE* hitting the max point of cornering adhesion (for the general public none-the-less) makes it handle *BETTER* then someone who can push the car to the adhesion limit.

Now I'm scratching my head here as this is all double-speak.

In my experience thus far, the car falls flat on its face WAY before it's ability. I'm no "expert", but people who regularly roadcourse and auto-x these cars tend to agree across the board that this is true.

Common sense would tell you that Mitsubishi isn't going to impement this aspect of the car at the "ragged edge". :rolleyes:

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

This is entirely the exact opposite of truth.

S-AWC is a *LIMITER* it kills power when you hit a certain g-force and it reads (what the computer thinks) "slip" or the point of it (or in real world with this car--WAYYY before that happens).

So what people in this thread are saying is that having a computer that limits throttle *BEFORE* hitting the max point of cornering adhesion (for the general public none-the-less) makes it handle *BETTER* then someone who can push the car to the adhesion limit.

Now I'm scratching my head here as this is all double-speak.

In my experience thus far, the car falls flat on its face WAY before it's ability. I'm no "expert", but people who regularly roadcourse and auto-x these cars tend to agree across the board that this is true.

Common sense would tell you that Mitsubishi isn't going to impement this aspect of the car at the "ragged edge". :rolleyes:

No offense but on the Auto-X and on the turns I have taken... the car is phenomenal with the computer features. It is less punishing and forces the driver, expert or not, to work less to do the same work someone who has these features off. If you are not used to them you may actually be doing worse at first but the car is meant to be thrown into a corner harder than another car with out having to actually worry so much about taking the proper line...even though I of course still recommend it for better time on the track. You can read and watch the reviews, the car will be praised for the cornering and handling it has ..guess what is mainly going to be the reason for that? the S-AWC, Y-AWC etc...combined ofcourse with the incredible Advan tires and the AWD. On a corner I began to lose tire traction and squeal the tires at about 55-65mph...that same corner the tires didn't make a peep with the features on and the car simply laughed at it at 90mph.

No offense but on the Auto-X and on the turns I have taken... the car is phenomenal with the computer features. It is less punishing and forces the driver, expert or not, to work less to do the same work someone who has these features off. If you are not used to them you may actually be doing worse at first but the car is meant to be thrown into a corner harder than another car with out having to actually worry so much about taking the proper line...even though I of course still recommend it for better time on the track. You can read and watch the reviews, the car will be praised for the cornering and handling it has ..guess what is mainly going to be the reason for that? the S-AWC, Y-AWC etc...combined ofcourse with the incredible Advan tires and the AWD. On a corner I began to lose tire traction and squeal the tires at about 55-65mph...that same corner the tires didn't make a peep with the features on and the car simply laughed at it at 90mph.


I'm still at a loss here as to all of these explinations.

The SAWC limits throttle BEFORE the limits of cornering limits. You're stating that it is some super-computer that limits it at the 1/100000th of a second of loss of traction (thus instability) which is simply not the case.

With the average driver, yes, the SAWC is a bonus. However, if you're someone who is used to pushing a car to its limits and have the experience/skill to do such, the computer is actually holding you back. I'm saying this out of not only experience, but a BUNCH of people who professionally roadrace *EVOs* who have come to the same conclusion.

Yes, if you want a car that you just mat the gas, push it into a turn and hope that it saves you, the SAWC is great. However, it kills throttle input WAY before it's true limits (as it's intended to do).

As a side note, not to be a snob, but if you think that the stock Advan tires are "incredible" then you haven't really pushed a well set up car around the track.

The S-AWC does intefere with driving for the 'expert' drivers, but from all accounts of track driving - switching off parts of the S-AWC system does elevate the Evo X performance to new limits. personally, I like leaving it all on because I would like to be protected from the limits - Though I do at least 3 track days a year I wouldn't say I am any means near being an expert driver. btw.. I had the advan tires squeeling hard.. but they were incredible as they held up better than other road legal 'sports/race' tires I've had on my older evo..

Quoted from Edmunds.

All-Knowing All-Wheel Drive
All Evo Xs worldwide receive Super All-Wheel Control (S-AWC), which integrates control over the familiar active center differential (ACD) with the rear differential's active yaw control (AYC). This is AYC's first appearance on a U.S.-specification Evo. New additions to S-AWC include a brake control function and a yaw-rate sensor. The front differential remains a conventional helical limited-slip type.

We could spend pages attempting to explain how it all works and still get it wrong. The upshot is that S-AWC actively vectors wheel torque during acceleration and braking in order to influence the car's cornering attitude, even during sub-limit driving maneuvers. The result is more agility with more grip and traction, those qualities that make rally-derived cars different from lesser four-wheel platforms.

Active stability control (ASC) is the new Mitsubishi electronic safety net, and it can be fully switched off for track usage.

Is It Any Good?
Although the cars we drove were Japanese-specification (right-hand-drive) development cars, the car's driving character is established.

When you're driving into a fast corner with some real commitment, S-AWC makes the Evo X eerily effective. Just when you think it's time to apply some opposite lock to correct a slide, S-AWC has already seamlessly rerouted torque to the appropriate wheels. The car simply sorts itself out, rendering the countersteer actions you had anticipated largely unnecessary. By reducing the amount of sawing at the wheel you need to maintain the desired line in a corner, the car makes even an ordinary driver look like a hero.

It's still possible to spin the Evo X when ASC is switched off, but you can really fling this car around and it remains more neutral and composed than the Evo IX. Bump compliance has improved, further enhancing the car's cool self-assurance; you sense that it can rocket down practically any road with ease.

Still, the additional power in the new model is offset by its added pork, so expect straight-line acceleration contests between the 2008 Mitsubishi Evo X and the outgoing model to be a dead heat at best.

Throw in a few turns, though, and the situation changes. Mitsubishi engineers report that they can lap the Evo X 2 seconds faster around their 2.4-km (1.5-mile) course than a U.S.-spec Evo IX. We believe it. The newfound chassis prowess results in cornering speeds that are simply faster in the Evo X.

Speed is one thing, but once we drove the Evo IX that Mitsubishi had on hand for driving comparisons, it was clear that the outgoing car is the livelier ride. The Evo X is quicker point to point by virtue of its chassis magic, while the outgoing Evo IX requires more from the driver to go fast. You can guess which one proved more rewarding to the guy behind the wheel.

No offense but on the Auto-X and on the turns I have taken... the car is phenomenal with the computer features. It is less punishing and forces the driver, expert or not, to work less to do the same work someone who has these features off. If you are not used to them you may actually be doing worse at first but the car is meant to be thrown into a corner harder than another car with out having to actually worry so much about taking the proper line...even though I of course still recommend it for better time on the track. You can read and watch the reviews, the car will be praised for the cornering and handling it has ..guess what is mainly going to be the reason for that? the S-AWC, Y-AWC etc...combined ofcourse with the incredible Advan tires and the AWD. On a corner I began to lose tire traction and squeal the tires at about 55-65mph...that same corner the tires didn't make a peep with the features on and the car simply laughed at it at 90mph.


I know I thought I was going to shit myself. The handling on this car is nothing like I've ever felt!:sway:

Thats what i like, a brown pant ride!

for most of the guys out there the S-AWC is a blessing.
The more experienced ones ,there is a switch off button.

Draw back? Not at all. Step forward , certainly.
The Car give you an option for you. You can match up the car to your driving skill, so that is what you call draw back?
Sound like you want to show or say in a hidden way, you are better then others. :) Poser :)

The fact is most of the average driver will be faster with the X vs IX or VIII. And that is the results of the S-AWC. Period.

for most of the guys out there the S-AWC is a blessing.
The more experienced ones ,there is a switch off button.

Hey, you're finally getting the point. For the "normal" driver it's an easy way to push the car without screwing up by pushing it too far.



Draw back? Not at all. Step forward , certainly.
The Car give you an option for you. You can match up the car to your driving skill, so that is what you call draw back?

I think I'm getting into two different discussions here. The AYC is the only "driver improvement" module there. The SAWC (which I admittedly used the wrong system acronymn before) is only the t-case front/rear ratio. The AYC is hyperactive even for people who have rarely pushed a car to it's limits. It *WILL* save someone from driver error, however, in the hands of someone who's experienced it will produce slower lap times and ETs.


Sound like you want to show or say in a hidden way, you are better then others. :) Poser :)


I'm stating the point that the system (AYC) is overactive. If that means that I'm intimidating someone because I prefer it off, then you can take it that way if you want. I'm anxious to get the X to the next autox and to pocono this late spring. I'll be sure to get you results with both. As for drag racing, I've already proven that with the traction control off I can pull better 60's then with it on (and what a lot of others have pulled with the AYC left on). *PROVEN* and that's with a slipping clutch to boot.

So, take your digs, but also feel free to put your money where your mouth is since you're not-too-distant. :p


The fact is most of the average driver will be faster with the X vs IX or VIII. And that is the results of the S-AWC. Period.

I never argued that the "average" driver couldn't be helped by it. However, those that buy Evos to race typically aren't "average drivers" who just decide to "push the car through a turn" every once in a while.

Actually, the S-AWC is a drawback.

It seems as if Mitsu "retard proofed" the car with the S-AWC and made it hyperactive. If you really want to push the car to its limits, you need to turn it off from the start and learn the limits of the car.

I can't see the X beating a IX if the SAWC is turned on unless you have and inexperienced driver.

i finally get your point?
oh yes right. sorry :bowlol:
also the AYC is not hyperactive . And you can't turn it off. Its reacting after the input made. That is why if unexperienced driver get in trouble, and can work against you. So that is why they put those extra system to prevent that.
With AYC pro road circuit guys lapping faster , when the AYC fails they slowing down in lap times. Even in rally makes the car faster. explain why TM won many times in the row, until they dont let the cars running systems like that.

what actually you turn off is a ASC . Active Stability Control.
Not the AYC or ACD.

http://www.mitsubishicars.com/media/evoinsider/Lancer_EVO_no_contact.pdf

there's a big mixup in terminology here.

ASC has 3 modes. 1.) engine cut on/brake control on 2.) engine cut off/brake control on and 3.) engine cut off/brake control off.

unless you are highly experienced, option 2 is about as far as you should go. and even then BM tested all modes and leaving the brake control on was fastest on a small winding course. YMMV.

AYC can't be turned off or controlled in any way. don't confuse this with the ASC brake control feature which is tied into the AYC computer. from all reports, except the bit about AYC affecting slalom speed, AYC is a great system and if used correctly will be faster than non-AYC.

and of course S-AWC is the all encompassing term for ACD+AYC+S-ABS+ASC

there's a big mixup in terminology here.

ASC has 3 modes. 1.) engine cut on/brake control on 2.) engine cut off/brake control on and 3.) engine cut off/brake control off.

unless you are highly experienced, option 2 is about as far as you should go. and even then BM tested all modes and leaving the brake control on was fastest on a small winding course. YMMV.

AYC can't be turned off or controlled in any way. don't confuse this with the ASC brake control feature which is tied into the AYC computer. from all reports, except the bit about AYC affecting slalom speed, AYC is a great system and if used correctly will be faster than non-AYC.

and of course S-AWC is the all encompassing term for ACD+AYC+S-ABS+ASC

:+1:

and a reason why is the AYC not great in slalom test ,because the counter acting on your harsh input. And that counter acting can confuse unexperienced driver on road course. But its a long story and my english is not that great. :)

^:+1:

Im a beginer driver who thinks shes the shizz when it come to twisties cause i love it but this being my first Evo and reading this thread, i think i need to got back to the manual and read up on this. thanks for the eye opener.

i finally get your point?
oh yes right. sorry :bowlol:
also the AYC is not hyperactive . And you can't turn it off. Its reacting after the input made. That is why if unexperienced driver get in trouble, and can work against you. So that is why they put those extra system to prevent that.
With AYC pro road circuit guys lapping faster , when the AYC fails they slowing down in lap times. Even in rally makes the car faster. explain why TM won many times in the row, until they dont let the cars running systems like that.

I was actually talking about the ASC (the switchable part, which I've been noting that aspect) and the latest aspect which was added to form the "S-AWC" setup in these cars. THAT is what I'm saying is hyperactive, and I prefer off. The rest of the system (acronyms be damned) isn't "switchable". The ASC is so overcompensating that it will kill power on straight-line launching much less allowing you to push the car hard through the corners.

:ghey:

I thought this thread was about keeping it safe.

I thought this thread was about keeping it safe.

yes it was ,but some start the education here.... :bowlol::bowlol::bowlol::shades::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock:

:+1:

yes it was ,but some start the education here.... :bowlol::bowlol::bowlol::shades::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock:


I REALLY need to stay away from threads like this. I lose patience when people who have done nothing notable like to throw around their weight as if they have with a healthy dose of sarcasm and their ability to post multiple emoticons.

You sir, own the interwebs. I = fail.

Go console yourself in your internet prowess now.

:bowlol::mad::thumbup::shades::godance::godance::wtfsign::thumbup::hititsign::go dance::wtfsign::(

I REALLY need to stay away from threads like this. I lose patience when people who have done nothing notable like to throw around their weight as if they have with a healthy dose of sarcasm and their ability to post multiple emoticons.

You sir, own the interwebs. I = fail.

Go console yourself in your internet prowess now.

:shades::bowlol::shades::rock::shades::wtfsign::tumbleweed::tumbleweed::+1::ghey ::amen::hititsign::rock:

I = good @ emoticons!

:amen:

(loosen up)





On topic: Friends don't let friends drive their Evo's drunk!

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:shades::bowlol::shades::rock::shades::wtfsign::tumbleweed::tumbleweed::+1::ghey ::amen::hititsign::rock:

I = good @ emoticons!

:amen:

(loosen up)








On topic: Friends don't let friends drive their Evo's drunk!

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:shades::bowlol::shades::rock::shades::wtfsign::tumbleweed::tumbleweed::+1::ghey ::amen::hititsign::rock:

I = good @ emoticons!

:amen:

(loosen up)





On topic: Friends don't let friends drive their Evo's drunk!


Weaksauce....

You forgot to take advantage of:

:ohsnap:

Hi team, lets keep this on point without any wind-ups. I have a feeling that we are all saying the same thing. Good discussion so far.

In all honesty, I think there are cars which require a much calmer aproach than the X. It is designed to be relatively safe when pushing relatively hard. Give an idiot a Z06 or something similar and then you really have to watch out, but with the X having AWD, SAWC, etc...it is alot more forgiving. Plus it really isn't THAT fast anyways...what does it do 0-100 mph in, 13 seconds? Even a C5 Z06 will do that in less than 9 seconds.

In all honesty, I think there are cars which require a much calmer aproach than the X. It is designed to be relatively safe when pushing relatively hard. Give an idiot a Z06 or something similar and then you really have to watch out, but with the X having AWD, SAWC, etc...it is alot more forgiving. Plus it really isn't THAT fast anyways...what does it do 0-100 mph in, 13 seconds? Even a C5 Z06 will do that in less than 9 seconds.

Coming from trading in my Z06 on my X for the shop, I'll say you hit the nail right on the head. The Z06 handled great, but talk about a car that can come back and bite you....

In all honesty, I think there are cars which require a much calmer aproach than the X. It is designed to be relatively safe when pushing relatively hard. Give an idiot a Z06 or something similar and then you really have to watch out, but with the X having AWD, SAWC, etc...it is alot more forgiving. Plus it really isn't THAT fast anyways...what does it do 0-100 mph in, 13 seconds? Even a C5 Z06 will do that in less than 9 seconds.

yes but you know you have to be care full from the beginning with a RWD car.
The first time feed back was about the X is " idiot proof" ...
And the X is fast enough to punish you. And it is fast. Fast is not only just a 1/4 mile.... And no evo made for 1/4 mile anyway. :thumbup:

Evos are made to be driven, not no 1/4 mile run. I would meet any Z 06 or C5 in a road course track and i will give him a run for his money.

Evos are made to be driven, not no 1/4 mile run. I would meet any Z 06 or C5 in a road course track and i will give him a run for his money.

:bowlol::bowlol::bowlol:

But this topic about the safety driving for EVO's...

yes but you know you have to be care full from the beginning with a RWD car.
The first time feed back was about the X is " idiot proof" ...
And the X is fast enough to punish you. And it is fast. Fast is not only just a 1/4 mile.... And no evo made for 1/4 mile anyway. :thumbup:


Thank you, Mr. God-Of-Evos/Cars-In-General.

I'd really like to know what your accolades are for you to get on your soapbox like you do.

I'm half tempted to give Ivey a call and see if you're some IMSA driver or something.:bowlol:

Evos are made to be driven, not no 1/4 mile run. I would meet any Z 06 or C5 in a road course track and i will give him a run for his money.


In the words of "Icon-Man": "Wow..I'm speechless".

I hope to god you have a fully prepped roadcourse Evo with a professional driver to back up these bold words. An even half-prepped C5 Z06 on a roadcourse is a force to be reckoned with. Even a stock C5 Z06 has been proven to out-G a stock Evo, let alone on the straights where a MILDLY modded (headers/retune/intake) will walk you like a child (my Z with the same mods above ran 119mph on pump gas spinning through 3rd vs. my X with more mods trapping 110mph).

Either you're the seasoned, professional roadcourse guy I mentioned in the last post or your really talking out of your corn-excretion-area.

In the words of "Icon-Man": "Wow..I'm speechless".

I hope to god you have a fully prepped roadcourse Evo with a professional driver to back up these bold words. An even half-prepped C5 Z06 on a roadcourse is a force to be reckoned with. Even a stock C5 Z06 has been proven to out-G a stock Evo, let alone on the straights where a MILDLY modded (headers/retune/intake) will walk you like a child (my Z with the same mods above ran 119mph on pump gas spinning through 3rd vs. my X with more mods trapping 110mph).

Either you're the seasoned, professional roadcourse guy I mentioned in the last post or your really talking out of your corn-excretion-area.

yep and all those facts are on paper. But on the track ...
:rock:

old debate and proven wrong many many times already. No pro drivers running on track mostly.
And get two no pro drivers on track with those cars , most of the time the Evo win, you are believe it or not.:shades:
BUt since you came from the vetee , i undestand your bealives, i'm on a vette forum too. and i know they "story's"....
:thumbup::ghey:

Thank you, Mr. God-Of-Evos/Cars-In-General.

I'd really like to know what your accolades are for you to get on your soapbox like you do.

I'm half tempted to give Ivey a call and see if you're some IMSA driver or something.:bowlol:

something to help you to work with ...

my name is robert martai, and im running aprox 320 whp. evo IX RS , 300 utoq rating rain tires , stock suspension , stock tranny, 3200 lbs car pluss me,no abs etc. second time on road course . Now this event i was the ONLY one who had over 140 utoq tires, but most big guys like vettes where on slick.... :bowlol:

EMRA Time Trials
Lime Rock -- October 2007


Class GT1
Position Driver Car Model Club Best Lap
1) James A Carman Chevrolet Camaro 01:13.92
2) Jim Conte Chevrolet Camaro 01:19.24
Class NEI
Position Driver Car Model Club Best Lap
1) George Abbale Ford Mustang ST 01:03.95
2) Steven Rogate Chevrolet Corvette 01:04.38
3) Dimitri Ioannides Ford Mustang 01:12.78
4) Brad Satow Ford Mustang NEI 01:18.51
Class ST1
Position Driver Car Model Club Best Lap
1) Ed Nelson Porsche 944 tur 01:03.00
2) Bill Hallinan Ford Mustang Co 01:04.98
3) Peter Cernauskas Chevrolet Camar 01:06.32
4) Gregory Dilimetin Chevrolet Corve 01:06.50
5) Romaine Perkins BMW M6 01:11.03
6) Howie Lucus Ford Mustang St 01:16.78
Class ST2
Position Driver Car Model Club Best Lap
1) Ziggy Miejski Chevrolet Corvette 01:04.13
Racer Richard Cox Chevrolet Corvette EMRA 01:04.44
2) Corry Prime BMW M3 01:04.71
3) Benny Chong Porsche 911 Turbo 01:06.21
4) Mark Saladino BMW M3 01:06.79
5) Manny Martinez Chevrolet Corvette 01:07.29
6) Matthew D Jablonski Nissan 350Z 01:08.00
7) Mike Markiewicz Mitsubishi Lancer 01:08.70
8) Greg Zaloga BMW M3 01:09.04
9) Ryan Mecca Acura Integra GSR 01:11.24
10) Joseph Stampfl Volkswagen Corrardo 01:12.76
11) Maryanne Cox Chevrolet Corvette EMRA 01:13.32
12) Timothy Sarchett Chevrolet Corvette 01:18.39
Class ST3
Position Driver Car Model Club Best Lap
1) Michael Panczyszyn Ford Mustang SSSCC 01:06.99
2) Craig Welence Mini Cooper S 01:07.19
3) Andrew Furlong Acura Integra A 01:07.33
4) Douglas Bellows Ford Mustang GT NEI 01:08.49
5) Phil Parlato BMW 325i 01:08.88
6) Rui Borges Mini Cooper S 01:10.01
7) Martin Kozniak Audi A4 01:10.99
8) Steve Gomez Mustang 01:11.83
9) Janik Marcovici Ford Mustang GT 01:11.86
10) Greg Der Calousdian Mini Cooper S 01:16.21
11) Peter Szakats Porsche 944s 01:17.06
Class ST4
Position Driver Car Model Club Best Lap
1) Rob Myles Mazda Miata SSSCC 01:08.41
2) Keith Ogden Dodge Neon 01:09.78
3) Lewis McLaughlin Subaru Impreza 01:10.06
4) Andrew Yoon Mazda Miata 01:10.08
5) Darren Arns Dodge Neon 01:10.54
6) Sean T Noonan Mazda Miata MX-5 01:11.41
7) Phil Johnson Acura Integra 01:11.42
8) John E Pfeiffer Mazda Miata MX-5 01:12.16
Racer Michael French MG Toylet SCUDERIA-X 01:14.14
9) Erica Belmont Mazda Miata 01:14.62
10) Joey Rogers Volvo 850 01:22.02
Class ST5
Position Driver Car Model Club Best Lap
1) Martin Hosek Pontiac Fiero G 01:10.31
2) Tom Bollettieri Ford Focus 01:10.64
3) Roger Maeda Nissan 200sx 01:11.16
4) Richard Blanchard Oldsmobile Star 01:11.93
5) Lars Andersson Volvo 240 01:13.63
6) David Zipkin Volvo 144s SSSCC 01:18.43
7) Erik Tomaino VW New Beetle 01:21.23
8) Gerry Petraitis Hyundai Elantra 01:23.82
Class ST6
Position Driver Car Model Club Best Lap
1) Bob Tackman Datsun 510 01:10.97
2) Rich D'Amato Dodge Omni GLH 01:10.99
Class ST7
Position Driver Car Model Club Best Lap
1) Chris Shea MG Midget 01:16.35
2) Peter J Gillen Ford Cortina 01:16.39
Class SM
Position Driver Car Model Club Best Lap
1) Paul Broomhead Mazda Miata LIVERPOOL 01:10.53
Class T/U
Position Driver Car Model Club Best Lap
1) Robert Martai Mitsubishi Evol 01:04.46
Class T/O
Position Driver Car Model Club Best Lap
1) Benjamin Miller Subaru 01:01.99
2) D J McArdle Nissan 240 SX 01:08.88
Class ESR
Position Driver Car Model Club Best Lap
1) Jon Coffin Entropy Sports SCUDERIA-X 01:09.58
Class WC
Position Driver Car Model Club Best Lap
1) Shaun Ashley BMW 325 01:04.67

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some of the competition as i guess you wish to see:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q54/Robevo_2006/P9200012.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q54/Robevo_2006/P9200019.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q54/Robevo_2006/P9200029.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q54/Robevo_2006/P9200053.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q54/Robevo_2006/P9200033.jpg

and here is me when we put the rims back after race day:http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q54/Robevo_2006/P9200045.jpg

thanks for watching "MR Wise guy". ..

Rob he doesn't know but of what he read.
Those lap times are from real runs not from a magazine or he say she say crap . Remember no slicks and the evo was .08 off from the vette. Nice job Rob.
Don't sleep on a evo......

I agree the EVO X lures you into being comfortable and it is pretty fast. The Z06 you know will bite you in the ass and you have to be on your toes. Ive driven last gen Vette on the track and have yet to put my EVO on the track, but Im pretty sure as of now I could go faster in my EVO X. Im no super track day guy though, I just go for fun. My only comparison is I did go around the track faster in a RX8 than I did in the vette. Again no flaming Im a shitty track day driver and I know it.

I agree the EVO X lures you into being comfortable and it is pretty fast. The Z06 you know will bite you in the ass and you have to be on your toes. Ive driven last gen Vette on the track and have yet to put my EVO on the track, but Im pretty sure as of now I could go faster in my EVO X. Im no super track day guy though, I just go for fun. My only comparison is I did go around the track faster in a RX8 than I did in the vette. Again no flaming Im a shitty track day driver and I know it.

as long as you enjoy the track days, you are not a shitty driver. :amen:

It totally depends on the track and the driver. Unless it is some ungodly twisty track with no straights at all, I would put my money on the z06 every time. That's is just my money though.

The z06 will out accelerate and out brake an evo, stock for stock...it will also pull more g in steady state cornering. It has 115 more hp, much more tq, weighs 500 pounds less, and has tires that are much wider. The evo also has much higher frictional losses because of awd. Take off your evo goggles for a second and use your noodle. Physics are physics.

It totally depends on the track and the driver. Unless it is some ungodly twisty track with no straights at all, I would put my money on the z06 every time. That's is just my money though.

The z06 will out accelerate and out brake an evo, stock for stock...it will also pull more g in steady state cornering. It has 115 more hp, much more tq, weighs 500 pounds less, and has tires that are much wider. The evo also has much higher frictional losses because of awd. Take off your evo goggles for a second and use your noodle. Physics are physics.

I'm confused ... if its out braking,out cornering, out accelerating the evo, plus its lighter , have more hp , more tq,wider tires,etc
Why does it matter the road track as long as its pavement? Or this is just me? The Z06 should kill the evo no matter what , right?
I guess i have a thick glass...:bowlol:

but we going to off topic preatty good now :shades:

something to help you to work with ...

my name is robert martai, and im running aprox 320 whp. evo IX RS , 300 utoq rating rain tires , stock suspension , stock tranny, 3200 lbs car pluss me,no abs etc. second time on road course . Now this event i was the ONLY one who had over 140 utoq tires, but most big guys like vettes where on slick.... :bowlol:

Great job trying to prove this by giving one example.

If this means it's "fact", well, then I'm "surprised" :bowlol::bowlol::bowlol: you didn't post the results from August @ Lime Rock.

Let's take a few snippets of the results to look at:

WP - Any Non-Corvair4SilverLariviere, Travis1990 Honda Civic Si 1-6L/153hp/5sp01:05.3501:04.7801:04.0701:04.07143BluePorter, Philip2002 Corvette 420hp/6sp01:05.0701:04.2601:06.2601:04.2617BlackPlacido, Paul2003 Mitsubish EVO 8 400 hp 5/speed01:05.7001:04.8401:05.5801:04.8494WhiteLariviere, Duane1991 Honda CRX 120hp/5sp01:06.3101:05.6001:05.1701:05.1718GrayHalper, Todd2005 Mitsu EVO 2.0 turbo/6sp01:06.9201:06.0201:06.4201:06.0230SilverYuk, Hugo200x Mitsubishi EVO 01:07.4101:07.0001:06.0701:06.0723WhiteMartai, Robert 2006 Mitsubishi EVO 410hp/5sp01:06.4601:07.4201:06.3001:06.30

So if we're basing answers to the question on your results I guess it's not supporting your arguement.

Interestingly enough, a guy who works for me just went to Pocono the other week. One of the highlights was the prepped 700whp Ford GT. His one comment was "I was amazed that the C5 & C6 Z06s people came with were hanging right with him."

Once again, your point? :bowlol:

So what are you saying? it is bad for the evo or me as a driver with first time on the road track , finish out of 50 some guys in the 11th p[lace? Yes you are right , i cant drive and that is why i try to tell for those who are in the same shoes to be safe with the X. My 9 RS never was even close to 410 hp that is a miss typing and there is a proof for that , just call up Ivey :)
Also one of these events they put me TO class /tuner over which is over 2 liter.../
This post not about my driving skill or my 9rs progressing on track vs race prepped cars. while i'm close to stock. :) OH you are forget to mention that one too...
Thanks to keep proving my points. With the X and the Vettes.

But anyway, this thread about do not be over comfident yourt X because you got the new technology. And wont pull you out of trouble.If you are a newbie. Like me.

You are getting personal here and off topic. This topic was a very nice and calm untill you came here with your "wisdom" and attitude. Seems to me you got some problems at home and try to make it up on the net. :)
And still you fail to come up something to worth to read :) unless you want to be entertained... And you are good for that i 'll give you that much . :)
But for that make your own thread , and call it a trash talk.

holly sh(*t ..
are you a vendor and arguing like the 5 years old... Thats awesome! Great , thing i find it out. So the evo is a soap box / if i got that one right/? And you do work on 4G63.... thats something.
this is your website right?

http://jnztuning.net/shop/catalog/index.php?osCsid=6636b29ccbef92f88736cc2c7dfb6e53

thanks for the debut!
i cant believe you got into this. I thought you are some 18 year old with alots of heat.... thats funny.