I was reading the new "Road and Track" article comparing the Sti and the Evo today, I am loving the glowing reviews that are being heaped upon the Evo, but the article left me with a question:

Is the MR going to be available in standard 6 speed?

No the MR will not be available in a 6spd manual...Mitsubishi is very adament about the MR housing the latest techno goodie that is the TC-SST while it is no Clutch pedal manual it is a true manual using two clutches activated by computer..... Pro-race drivers praise it and in S-Sport mode it will do a "Heel-and Toe" Downshift exactly where youd want to downshift....

The computer is smart trust it I don't think you'll be disappointed if you try and you just cant beat being able to leave it in automatic normal mode during heavy congested traffic.

No the MR will not be available in a 6spd manual...Mitsubishi is very adament about the MR housing the latest techno goodie that is the TC-SST while it is no Clutch pedal manual it is a true manual using two clutches activated by computer..... Pro-race drivers praise it and in S-Sport mode it will do a "Heel-and Toe" Downshift exactly where youd want to downshift....

The computer is smart trust it I don't think you'll be disappointed if you try and you just cant beat being able to leave it in automatic normal mode during heavy congested traffic.

WOW, that is disappointing. I might have to go with a GSR...technology be damned, I like to clutch....

WOW, that is disappointing. I might have to go with a GSR...technology be damned, I like to clutch....

Technology does be damn the word is the Transmission is built close to its limits so it cant take a lot or very heavy mods you might be able to get away with an intake (turbo or cat) exhaust and maybe a cam but thats probably it.

WOW, that is disappointing. I might have to go with a GSR...technology be damned, I like to clutch....
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This man knows, a manual is the only way to go! I agree with you on that one sir.

I really don't understand why they wouldn't offer a traditional 6-speed in the MR. Maybe if there is enough of an outcry they will correct that in '09 or '10.

The mass appealing of the EVO X MR is why not everyone this car is catered to is into it for just balls-to-the-wall performance...The TC-SST offers the performance of a manual but is ALSO as practical and versatile as an automatic. This broadens the market of the car to not just bare bones enthusiast but individuals who have families and still want the fun an enjoyment of the Evolution...You couldnt get that in the VIII or IX

The mass appealing of the EVO X MR is why not everyone this car is catered to is into it for just balls-to-the-wall performance...The TC-SST offers the performance of a manual but is ALSO as practical and versatile as an automatic. This broadens the market of the car to not just bare bones enthusiast but individuals who have families and still want the fun an enjoyment of the Evolution...You couldnt get that in the VIII or IX

I am pretty sure Mitsubishi could have offered the MR with both a 6-speed and the STT transmission while not affecting their overhead too much. Also, if they wanted to push this new tranny, they should have stuck it in the lower model while keeping the MR with the traditional 6-speed catering to the driving enthusiasts who would be purchasing that car anyway. I think many people, like myself, will turn away from the MR in favor of a traditional manual or, worse, people may look elsewhere for the driving satisfaction altogether.

I am pretty sure Mitsubishi could have offered the MR with both a 6-speed and the STT transmission while not affecting their overhead too much. Also, if they wanted to push this new tranny, they should have stuck it in the lower model while keeping the MR with the traditional 6-speed catering to the driving enthusiasts who would be purchasing that car anyway. I think many people, like myself, will turn away from the MR in favor of a traditional manual or, worse, people may look elsewhere for the driving satisfaction altogether.

I get that man but the driving enthusiast are also the same people that mod the EVO in the first place something the TC-SST can't do heavily. enter the cheaper 5 speed more durable manual.

Sticking it in the lower end models doesn't showcase it at all because despite your taste its a Performance transmission one that has been noted to perform better in all aspects then a manual except drag racing.
Sticking a transmission like the TC-SST in there halo car is a way of showing confidence to the public in its product its a new technology they are trusting to carry the Lan Evo Legacy....Now they are putting it in there lower end models like the Ralliart and Concept RA... I understand your frustration man I'm not trying to sell you on an MR by all means be happier with the 5 spd but dont assume mistubishi is retard because they are not offering a 6spd manual in the MR.

...No the MR will not be available in a 6spd manual....
FYI, all MR's come from the factory with a 6 speed manual...it is just a twin clutch version without an antiquated activation pedal ... the clutch is engaged/disengaged for you with the paddles or shift lever...after my 3 years and 40k+ miles in an e60 M5 with SMG as a daily driver and track events I can tell you that that type of tranny is far superior than the NASCAR-like antiquated three pedal system of days gone by... if you want an old school type car, get a Mustang...if you want a high tech WRC homologated special, stick with the TC-SST...remember WRC and F1 cars have been using a similar system for years...

The MR is not going to be available in 6-speed as standard, but expect us chopshops to have one ready soon

The MR is not going to be available in 6-speed as standard, but expect us chopshops to have one ready soon
FYI, the MR does come with a 6 speed TC-SST manual transmission as standard equipment...it just doesn't have an antiquated clutch pedal like NASCAR...

Fair point my friend

FYI, the MR does come with a 6 speed TC-SST manual transmission as standard equipment...it just doesn't have an antiquated clutch pedal like NASCAR...

Why does it have to be NASCAR associated with clutch pedals. LOL Champ car uses the same antiquated clutch pedal they just utilize a SWOL technology

FYI, the MR does come with a 6 speed TC-SST manual transmission as standard equipment...it just doesn't have an antiquated clutch pedal like NASCAR...


Some of us like to clutch. There is a lot to be said for being connected with your car in that way.

Some of us like to clutch. There is a lot to be said for being connected with your car in that way. After 35 years of three pedal cars, that's what I thought too...until I got my current e60 M5 with SMG...the paddle shifter manuals do connect you to the car in an even closer way IMHO...it took me several weeks to learn how to drive the SMG properly and now I can't imagine anything else...that's why I'm waiting on the MR...

I think that we are seeing these new automatic clutch manual transmissions come of age right now and soon these will become the standard for performance. However, my opinion today is that I prefer the driving experience using 3 pedals and for those people modding their cars' engines there is really no choice but to stick with the more robust option of the 5MT. In the future I'm sure this will be less of a concern.

Some of us like to clutch. There is a lot to be said for being connected with your car in that way.

I've always agreed, but.... When I realized the only real manual available in the EVO X was a 5-speed I changed my thinking: it really needs a 6-speed. Now that I've driven my MR a few months, I observe:

1) The SST really SUCKS off the line; a real clutch is the best way to get a high-RPM motor moving off the line, and with the SST waiting a second between punching the gas and getting decent acceleration is pure agony. An automatic Ford Focus could beat it for the first 15 feet from a standing stop; launch mode works ONLY if you've got the 5+ seconds it takes to switch into S-Sport, disengage ASC, and wait for the RPM to come up to 5K. The SST is even more hopeless when you punch it from a rolling stop. With better programming it could be quicker off the line (for instance, they could rig it so that as long as your foot was on the brake you could rev it all you want with the gas without releasing the clutch), but I doubt that it will ever match a real manual clutch.

2) Once you're moving, the SST is absolutely wonderful; in automatic mode (Normal, Sport, or S-Sport) it always shifts right when you want, and going up or down through the gears is pure music (It's like riding a hot bike or driving a real race car). I'm a racer (but not in my MR yet), and the SST's shifting is perfect: believe it when you read what the Pro racers say about it. In addition, an amatuer racer (like me) can drive much quicker, smoother and with much greater consistency when you can focus just on driving and braking properly.

All told, I've grown to love the SST just for the neat tech-iness of it. In Normal automatic mode you can even learn to communicate with the shift computer through your throttle foot. It's miles ahead of any other automatic I've ever driven.

My street-licenced Ice Race car is a '95 Eclipse AWD 5-speed (3K lbs, with the stock EVO drivetrain from that era): while it's a winner and is much more satisfying off the line it's really annoying at cruising speeds with the high-RPM drone (I drive it long distances to and from the races).

I am pretty sure Mitsubishi could have offered the MR with both a 6-speed and the STT transmission while not affecting their overhead too much. Also, if they wanted to push this new tranny, they should have stuck it in the lower model while keeping the MR with the traditional 6-speed catering to the driving enthusiasts who would be purchasing that car anyway. I think many people, like myself, will turn away from the MR in favor of a traditional manual or, worse, people may look elsewhere for the driving satisfaction altogether.

As everyone has said. The MR is geared towards stealing buyers from luxury german brands like audi and bmw without sacraficing performance. It's intended to broaden the appeal. However, because of the new technology power limitations they have stated several times that the GSR is intended for the die hard performance enthusiast. That is why it comes with a rock solid transmission that can handle plenty of power. The GSR is a great platform to build a performance Evo from. The MR is a great platform for a nice DD and then some fun on the track. The SST will actually make most people faster since you only have to concentrate on the line and not shifting.

They are only going to offer the 230hp/250tq lancer ralliart with the SST also. Only, that SST won't have s-sport mode or the launch controll. Again, you have to wonder why they are doing this. My best guess and what i was told by my dealership which makes complete sense to me is that they have a contract with the manufacturer of the SST to sell a certain number of units. So mitsubishi is forced to push this new transmission.

I bought the GSR because i want a 5-speed and I want to make some decent power. however, I love what mitsu is doing, because when i'm in my late 20s looking to buy my next car then hopefully the SST will have been refined and improved and I will be able to buy a new EVO 15 or whatever and have a killer transmission that is also great for DD without being so hardcore.

The mass appealing of the EVO X MR is why not everyone this car is catered to is into it for just balls-to-the-wall performance...The TC-SST offers the performance of a manual but is ALSO as practical and versatile as an automatic. This broadens the market of the car to not just bare bones enthusiast but individuals who have families and still want the fun an enjoyment of the Evolution...You couldnt get that in the VIII or IX

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I really don't understand why they wouldn't offer a traditional 6-speed in the MR. Maybe if there is enough of an outcry they will correct that in '09 or '10.


well , not sure if you know but the 6 speed in the other MRs are not that good ! We have done five 6 speed to 5 speed conversions and I would trust a 6 speed in any evo . I know that HKS is coming out with a taller 5th gear for teh GSR and thats what I'm doing ; at a retail of $750-$800 is not a bad deal to get 300 rpms more out of 5th gear .