I bought a 2009 Evo X SST a few weeks ago, I had an E46 M3 before but i wanted to change.

I took it to track yesterday for the 1st time (Yas Marina Circuit in Abu Dhabi) and to my surprise, i couldnt do more than 2 continous laps without getting this "slow down".

Is this a common thing? I thought E46 M3's with SMG transmissions are bad, this was even worse! it was so disappointing and frustrating.

Would a transmission oil cooling kit (from AMS for example) solve this problem?

Thanks

Luay

There is a lot of info in this Forum regarding keeping the SST cool, talk to SSP about SST coolers and even SST clutch-upgrade if you want to add more power to you car!
/L-O

Sure its not a 2008?

^^Look where he is from. I have a 2009 as well.

Go check out SSP - check out this link (http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25177) from this forum.

Everything you will need.

Ahhh...thanks for clarifying. but no changes from the 2008, right? just curious..have not seen any write ups on the 09...interesting that they would only do 09 in some countries.

The 08 and 09 vary a little in programming - a few more safety catchs to get rid of than the 08 but not as much as 10 (correct?)

Didnt make sense to bring out 09 in us as the economy was broken.

Are you left-foot braking while simultaneously on the throttle?

There is a lot of info in this Forum regarding keeping the SST cool, talk to SSP about SST coolers and even SST clutch-upgrade if you want to add more power to you car!
/L-O

keeping cool yes but more power lies more towards TCU although the clutch pack can handle more

Thanks Guys

The question remains...if i get any kind of transmission cooling kit, would it solve the problem? can i push the car as much as i want without worrying?

If you get the SSP front mount transmission cooler, yes you can push your car harder without slow down. The other kits aren't as good so don't waste your time.

Another helpful hint is; don't use S-Sport mode, do manual shifting in SPORT mode and you will be able to squeeze in more laps before the slowdown.

There is LOTS of information on this forum regarding your questions so just browse around; Also send SSP_Jeremy a PM and see what he can do for you, SSP = the SST masters right now.

:dancebanana:

I took it to track yesterday for the 1st time (Yas Marina Circuit in Abu Dhabi) and to my surprise, i couldnt do more than 2 continous laps without getting this "slow down".


How do you like the Yas Marina circuit? I saw the F1 race there last year and it looked amazing.

read this even though its on that other douchebag site, very common problem. glad there's another MR owner that's into road racing, not that stupid boring straightline bullshit http://forums.evolutionm.net/motor-sports/380724-vorshlag-motorsports-evo-x-mr-build-stu-ttb-one-lap.html

How do you like the Yas Marina circuit? I saw the F1 race there last year and it looked amazing.

Its a wonderful track, very well organized and clean...the corners are a bit hard though but hey, where's the fun without corners!

The 1.2 km straight line is amazing, F1 cars can reach up to 300+ kph, mine did around 230 kph.

Guys

I just installed the SST cooling system from AMS, and went to track AGAIN!
SAME PROBLEM but this time i got 1 additional lap before getting the "slow down" message!
I have a few solutions is mind, would like to share them with you

1. install the original cooling kit along side with the AMS or
2. remove the fog lights to allow more air to come to the radiator
3. get the SSP cooling kit which is the most expensive solution for me

i can combine option 1 & 2 and see how it goes

The Blitz SST cooler runs in parallel with the stock cooler
http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24706

Guys

I just installed the SST cooling system from AMS, and went to track AGAIN!
SAME PROBLEM but this time i got 1 additional lap before getting the "slow down" message!
I have a few solutions is mind, would like to share them with you

1. install the original cooling kit along side with the AMS or
2. remove the fog lights to allow more air to come to the radiator
3. get the SSP cooling kit which is the most expensive solution for me

i can combine option 1 & 2 and see how it goes

ssp is way to go, and get their oil too. now tune it with ap or anything available. there is a few cars on track esp mr and they like it.

We have seen our Pro Red transmission fluid run 10-14 degrees cooler then oem Diaqueen (track testing). And that's with out the aid of a aftermarket cooler.

http://www.sspperformance.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/works.top_.jpg

Aww DAMN, I got my first track day with X in couple of weeks. It would be a disaster for me if this happens because I am driving 10 hours to get to the track.

I am banking on the cooler temperatures in Virgina these days. I hope day is cool enough that I wont get any of these warnings.

To the thread owner, may I ask what was the day temperature at the track when you tracked it?


Also, I have experience with other DSG cars on the track, none are as bad as X MR.


Trans coolers are a MUST with this car.

To the thread owner, may I ask what was the day temperature at the track when you tracked it?


Also, I have experience with other DSG cars on the track, none are as bad as X MR.


Trans coolers are a MUST with this car.

Don't use super-sport if you don't have any extra cooling. Stick with manual shifting in sport mode and you will be able to get more laps in before slow down message.

Temperature in the UAE doesnt exceed 70-75 F these days plus i only track it on afternoons.

If you're driving 10 hours to get to the track then you have to be prepared! at least remove the fog lights to allow for more airflow.

Good luck

looking forward to some feedback

Don't use super-sport if you don't have any extra cooling. Stick with manual shifting in sport mode and you will be able to get more laps in before slow down message.
Will do. I appreciate the advice.

I am absolutely pumped about this track day, as it will be first with this car and my first one this year. I hope it would not turn out to be a buzz kill.

I am researching the aftermarket coolers and will get one before I track it if necessary, but again, I think it may be alright because it'll be mid march and temps down there are in 50-60s these days.

Temperature in the UAE doesnt exceed 70-75 F these days plus i only track it on afternoons.

If you're driving 10 hours to get to the track then you have to be prepared! at least remove the fog lights to allow for more airflow.

Good luck

looking forward to some feedback
SH!T.

That's exactly what I didn't want to hear. I was hoping you'd say "90 to 100 F +"

But we'll see. Thank you for the response though.

I'll report back after my track day

what weebles said is correct, both myself and xMR were doing that at track days last year.

SH!T.

That's exactly what I didn't want to hear. I was hoping you'd say "90 to 100 F +"

But we'll see. Thank you for the response though.

I'll report back after my track day

Dude, remove the fog lights and you'll thank me later..:)

A guy i know had the stock cooling system and did even more laps than me....the only difference were the fog lights.

Dude, remove the fog lights and you'll thank me later..:)

A guy i know had the stock cooling system and did even more laps than me....the only difference were the fog lights.

If you remove fog lights be sure to make yourself some sort of air guide since you will no longer have one where the fog is missing, this is the only way you will see a benefit doing this.

just dont do what i initially did, when i took out the fog lights, i also removed every air guide. big mistake, went back a few months later and fixed em. no wonder i was getting slow down so often.

Originally Posted by weebles http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=377272#post377272)
Don't use super-sport if you don't have any extra cooling. Stick with manual shifting in sport mode and you will be able to get more laps in before slow down message.
Hello,

we are racing an EVO X with SST during endurance races here in Germany. Our experiences are the other way round. To keep the temperature stable, keep care about the following things:

- use the super sport mode
- do not use manual mode (believe me, a professional driver is doing more failures in manual mode than the SW is doing in auto mode)
- install the extra cooler in serial to the stock cooler. I read somewhere, that people install the cooler in parallel. Therewith, you will change the pressure and therewith the flow through the coolers.
- keep care about the oil amount and do not overfill!
- we were driving with original diaqueen oil

Therewith, we were able to keep the temperatures stable, also during 24h race! Even during tests in Interlagos with 35°C outside temperature, we achieved a stable, uncritical temperature in the transmission.

Regards

TICer

Hello,

we are racing an EVO X with SST during endurance races here in Germany. Our experiences are the other way round. To keep the temperature stable, keep care about the following things:

- use the super sport mode
- do not use manual mode (believe me, a professional driver is doing more failures in manual mode than the SW is doing in auto mode)
- install the extra cooler in serial to the stock cooler. I read somewhere, that people install the cooler in parallel. Therewith, you will change the pressure and therewith the flow through the coolers.
- keep care about the oil amount and do not overfill!
- we were driving with original diaqueen oil

Therewith, we were able to keep the temperatures stable, also during 24h race! Even during tests in Interlagos with 35°C outside temperature, we achieved a stable, uncritical temperature in the transmission.

Regards

TICer

Trust me, this guy knows what he is talking about. The key is to install a small cooler in serial to the stock cooler and refill with no more SST-F than the service manual says.

what weebles said is correct, both myself and xMR were doing that at track days last year.

What he said is WRONG .. thats the worst info that is ever spread here ..

You keep it in SSPORT and FULL auto for the least amount of temperature and stress on the transmission ..

You want to be FAST on track you leave it in AUTO ..

Hello,

we are racing an EVO X with SST during endurance races here in Germany. Our experiences are the other way round. To keep the temperature stable, keep care about the following things:

- use the super sport mode
- do not use manual mode (believe me, a professional driver is doing more failures in manual mode than the SW is doing in auto mode)
- install the extra cooler in serial to the stock cooler. I read somewhere, that people install the cooler in parallel. Therewith, you will change the pressure and therewith the flow through the coolers.
- keep care about the oil amount and do not overfill!
- we were driving with original diaqueen oil

Therewith, we were able to keep the temperatures stable, also during 24h race! Even during tests in Interlagos with 35°C outside temperature, we achieved a stable, uncritical temperature in the transmission.

Regards

TICer


are you the guys went to nurburgring too?

are you the guys went to nurburgring too? yes, you are right. In addition, we wre sharing our experiences also with other teams with great succes.

Some people prefer the Sport mode instead of S-Sport mode to prevent higher temperatures.

It might be, that the temperature is less than in S-Sport mode. I believe, this is caused by the lower engine speeds in Sport mode than in S-Sport mode. For the track, reducing the engine speed and driving in higher gears can not be the propper solution.
Of course, in general, we can dicuss about best shift points for a turbo charged engine with max torque at 4500rpm. It will be lower than 7000rpm. ;)

Regards

TICer

no josh, our coolers might be somewhat effective, but just to be safe we should change our DNA so we are like that guy from X-men who can freeze stuff just by pointing at it. if we did that while were driving that would keep the temps down, huh?

Dude, remove the fog lights and you'll thank me later..:)

A guy i know had the stock cooling system and did even more laps than me....the only difference were the fog lights.
I got a C West Front bumper cover. It eliminates the fog lights and that area is open with just mesh on it, so thats already been done.

pics? aren't a lot of MR's with body kits or are you from another country?

just dont do what i initially did, when i took out the fog lights, i also removed every air guide. big mistake, went back a few months later and fixed em. no wonder i was getting slow down so often.
Are you taking about the air guide on the bumper cover? Or is there something else behind the cover?


I just mentioned that I got the C West front bumper cover. So now I am wondering if that'll cause any issues, because it has no air guide.

I'm pretty sure Bradze is talking about the black plastic guides that are actually mounted to/very near the oem cooler. Not necessarily on the bumper.

pics? aren't a lot of MR's with body kits or are you from another country?
Oh no, I am from Ohio.


I'll get Pics for you. I never really took any, so don't have them off hand.

Are you taking about the air guide on the bumper cover? Or is there something else behind the cover?


I just mentioned that I got the C West front bumper cover. So now I am wondering if that'll cause any issues, because it has no air guide.

There is a small plastic "shroud" which guides air into the cooler, it's not the greatest design but it does help big time. You'd be better off molding your own and removing the fog light.

there are air guides on the cooler itself.(or mounted next to it)
Oh good. I kept that.

Thanks Guys

The question remains...if i get any kind of transmission cooling kit, would it solve the problem? can i push the car as much as i want without worrying?
Yes. I would swap fluids at the same time. Expensive yes, but worth it.

Yes. I would swap fluids at the same time. Expensive yes, but worth it.

First thing to do would be to follow our DIY SST Temperature Gauge install thread and monitor the temperature of the transmission....then you can gauge how effective your modifictions are at controlling temperature after that. You may get some surprises! :shades:

Clicky - http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25432

Fog lights removed, ducts installed...went to track and same thing happened again! the "slow down" alert just kept on showing!
I used to have an E46 M3 and this sh!t never happened to me before, track days were fun..now its just frustrating!

If you want a sure fire way to NEVER get that slow down message again....

SSP EVO X MR FRONT MOUNT TRANS COOLER


http://www.sspperformance.com/products/images/frontmount.jpg

luay ams sucks... get the ssp kit works had no problem at all today... well my brakes.. i killed em :O) see you next time

luay ams sucks... get the ssp kit works had no problem at all today... well my brakes.. i killed em :O) see you next time

I guess you're Andreas (White Evo X)
yeah man, i agree, AMS sucks...i was told that you were pushing your car hard today and you were really fast...
i think i should go for SSP and solve this thing for good.

for your brakes check this out http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27994

may also want to try titanium shims http://tispeed.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_7_23_35&products_id=30

Hey Guys,

TOTAL newb question, so I apologize if the answer is obvious...

It sounds like upgrading the cooler/pan/fluid would be a good idea if I track the car or do a lot of long-distance and fast driving. Would these upgrades also help protect my SST from my new found power and harder, more aggressive launches? For that, it seems like I would want to upgrade the clutch packs.

Thanks!

IMO...the more fluid the better. Helps keep fluid temps down, which in turn help your transmission happy...for longer. We have seen reduction in overall clutch disk wear (stock or SSP) when our fully synthetic trans fluid is added to the equation.

Actually .5L less than the factory indicated refill amount of 5.5L will help the SST run about 10 degrees cooler. This is only safe for cars that don't have to worry about extreme cold or extreme up/downhill parked starts. Less fluid also helps guard against splash losses.

Actually .5L less than the factory indicated refill amount of 5.5L will help the SST run about 10 degrees cooler. This is only safe for cars that don't have to worry about extreme cold or extreme up/downhill parked starts. Less fluid also helps guard against splash losses.


I would highly suggest NOT doing that. That's like saying if you drain a qt. of oil from your motor it will run cooler. And what are you talking about "splash losses"?

I have launched my car countless times. I used to get the slow down after about 3 drag runs. After the ssp cooler install, no more. I also did the fluid swap at the same time. I know the fluid helps the trans perform better, because my 60' times dropped by over .15 seconds. If you are going to push your car hard on the track, wether road coarse or drag strip, you NEED the ssp cooler. Do it BEFORE you modify for more power, so you won't be crying when your trans tells you "NO, NOT TODAY. SILLY BOY"

I would highly suggest NOT doing that. That's like saying if you drain a qt. of oil from your motor it will run cooler. And what are you talking about "splash losses"?

Think what you like, this is exactly what the Getrag dudes do with their 24hr race X MR in addition to a small serial cooler. They have no problems and no overheating in a 24hr race, so there must be something to it.

Also, 1qt is more than .5L. And there are risks to running less fluid in regards to extreme cold and hill parking starts which I mentioned.

I would love to get your front mount, but folks should be aware of other effective options.

we'll know better after the 21st. and every other person i've told that less oil makes more sense totally agrees

we'll know better after the 21st!

Yep! I was going to keep this jem a secret until after, but I am excited and couldn't resist sharing. :)

i also started left foot braking again, so if that doesn't trigger a slowdown at PIR, then we're good.

i also started left foot braking again, so if that doesn't trigger a slowdown at PIR, then we're good.

Don't you usually prefer the dirt and weeds for slowing down? :)

na, i think ill get a parachute so i can be like all the cool guys into drag racing

na, i think ill get a parachute so i can be like all the cool guys into drag racing

Might as well grow a neck cape then too! :)

you must mean mullett, right. i've never heard that before

you must mean mullett, right. i've never heard that before

Yep, you got it Billy Bob!