So if you browse around the news section, you'll see conflicting reports about the MANUAL (the true manual, not the DSG style box) trans in the Evo X. Some sources say it will be a 5 speed manual, while others report a 6 speed.

Or perhaps, both will exist. For instance, while the evo 8 was a 5 speed, the evo 8 MR was a 6 speed. Although from what I heard, the 6 speeds broke easier and cost more.

So do you think they'll have 5 speed, 6 speed, or both? Do you think the 6 speed will be weaker? Or worth the extra money? Discuss.

Uh, I'm hoping that the manual is a 6 spd. The Mazdaspeed6 has a 6 spd. The MINI Cooper S has a 6 spd (not comparing MINI to the Evo, just saying...). The STi has a 6 spd. So the Evo X has gotsta have a 6 spd.

I do think that I may go with the dsg-like auto cause I'm in sales and will need to be talking, etc. Also, I'll never be able to clutch and shift faster than the dsg-like tranny. Is the 0-100km/h time faster with the auto???

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David

Well, it seems to be driver dependent. See attached.

looks like the 6 speed is faster

That depends on the driver. Look at the pic again and read the fine print.

i did, and there is a HUGE variance. a slow 6speed driver is as fast as the twin clutch with a good driver. a good driver is significantly faster

I would rather the 6 speed. I like to have the feeling that I'm in control of the vehicle.

i did, and there is a HUGE variance. a slow 6speed driver is as fast as the twin clutch with a good driver. a good driver is significantly faster

Well, a good driver with the manual vs a good driver with the SST box are identical...

Well, a good driver with the manual vs a good driver with the SST box are identical...

thats a pretty big variance!

I agree, but my point is that the SST box isn't inherently faster. It's just faster for most people. Mind you, much of that "red" area will be taken up by people who leisurely shift gears and take several seconds to do so.

In other words, if you shift fast enough to make the synchros cry, then you're in good shape.

6 speed it is :p

They say the automatic is more convenient, but in reality it might not be so. Consider this:

While on the phone, the two handed approach isn't very manageable, however regular driving might prove that shifting with the paddles is a huge inconvenience. When you turn the wheel, you turn the paddles, and if your hands are always in the 10o clock- 2 o clock position, the paddles will be there, but what if u drive with one hand, or in a different position, you will have to awkwardly move to shift, or constantly move back to the designed position to shift. Also, the gears will be sequential. There will be no 5-3rd gear down shifting.

I have a feeling people who can't drive stick are gonna buy the "auto" and its going to be a very nauseating, jerky ride that they will get frustrated with very quickly, while killing their engine.

I'm not a fan

6 speed it is :p

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5spd on the ralliart perhaps? seems sensible

In other words, if you shift fast enough to make the synchros cry, then you're in good shape.

LOL.

Well, apparently the DSG style box has the same synchros.

They say the automatic is more convenient, but in reality it might not be so. Consider this:

While on the phone, the two handed approach isn't very manageable, however regular driving might prove that shifting with the paddles is a huge inconvenience. When you turn the wheel, you turn the paddles,

Actually, you don't, and that's a big gripe of mine. The paddles are apparently static. :-(

and if your hands are always in the 10o clock- 2 o clock position, the paddles will be there, but what if u drive with one hand, or in a different position, you will have to awkwardly move to shift, or constantly move back to the designed position to shift.

Well, I think you can alternately use the center console shifter to move up and down gears.

Also, the gears will be sequential. There will be no 5-3rd gear down shifting.

I feel you here, but a double tap shouldn't be that bad.

What would have been cool is if they had a standard manual shifter that acted just like a standard manual shifter, only you didn't have to use the clutch.

I have a feeling people who can't drive stick are gonna buy the "auto" and its going to be a very nauseating, jerky ride that they will get frustrated with very quickly, while killing their engine.

I don't think it will be jerky. The car rev matches and such on downshifts, which is the only time it would really make it jerky.

If I recall correctly, on the MR-2 spyder (latest gen) when they first offered a clutchless manual it was just like that.. just a very normal looking 6-spd manual shifter.

and yeah it'll revmatch absolutely everything, supposedly perfectly every single time.

What? I never even heard of that. Badass!

nvm it was just +,-

.. but it is just a true manual transmission with a computer controlled clutch

"One of the MR2's more interesting features is the clutchless manual transmission. This is a true manual, with a friction-based clutch, but the actual clutch-out-change-gear-clutch-in operation is handled by the car itself, while the driver tells it to shift up or down via steering wheel pushbuttons or a pretty chrome shifter knob in the usual place. This knob is clearly not for an automatic, because it has no Park or Drive positions - reverse, neutral, plus, and minus are the choices. You start out in neutral, move to S, and then pull to move up a gear or push to move down"

From what I've read it was very slow shifting too... but this was like.. a bunch of years ago and the first I had ever seen of a clutchless manual in a non-supercar

Cool.

i never liked the paddle shifter.one of my friends has a lancer gts its smooth but the changes seem choppy at times. or the autostick on some cars my charger has autostick and just plain does not cut it for me i love to use the clutch.maybe its because i have always use it since my first car.now i drive a diesel truck with manual tranny for work and i never het tired of driving it.

Don't confuse the DSG style trans in the Evo X with an automatic trans that just so happens to allow you to choose shift points. The DSG style transmissions are lightyears ahead of the latter.

It's a simliar setup to BMW's SMG, right?

Don't confuse the DSG style trans in the Evo X with an automatic trans that just so happens to allow you to choose shift points. The DSG style transmissions are lightyears ahead of the latter.

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.. but I do think that as costs come down just a little bit on DSG gearboxes that they will totally replace automatic transmissions on mainstream cars (and eventually even the likes of the Kia Rio). Yeah they're quite a bit more complex than a traditional manual transmission, but anything is better than the hell that is an automatic transmission (or CVT). Plus, then you don't have the big fat power/efficiency loss of an autotragic.

To me, they are still just an automatic that lets you choose the gears. They might not have the efficiency loss of a traditional automatic or the slow shifting, but if you can just put the gearshift in a mode where it does the gear selection for you, it's an automatic and I just can't buy that. Hell, I'm hesitant to buy a manual car that uses a cable-actuated shifter lol. I like being connected right into my transmission with steel rods and poly bushings :) :)

Don't confuse the DSG style trans in the Evo X with an automatic trans that just so happens to allow you to choose shift points. The DSG style transmissions are lightyears ahead of the latter.

sorry 'm new to this:confused: anywho i think the evo should have the option of a six speed why not the eclipse is 6 speed.not comparing.as far as manual vs dsg.would'nt the dsg be quicker then the manual as far shiftpoints.a manual disengages at everypoint of shift and power is interrupted while the tranny changes gears.same as the smt.so the dsg would be faster then us shifting the manual.we could down time on the 0-60 or the 1,4 mile due to no interruption of power from the engine while shifting.

Guys, the so called SST is like the tranny in Mitsubishi Galant VR4 right?

Why would Mitsubishi create it with paddleshift? (if it's wrong spelling, sorry)

Sounds kinda weird, if you ask me...

But a 6 speed manual! I wanted X like that...but if it's weaker, guess I just stick around with 5 speed then.

Something been bothering me too. Why didn't Mitsu create a sequential manual gearbox like in BMW?

Guys, the so called SST is like the tranny in Mitsubishi Galant VR4 right?

Why would Mitsubishi create it with paddleshift? (if it's wrong spelling, sorry)

Sounds kinda weird, if you ask me...

But a 6 speed manual! I wanted X like that...but if it's weaker, guess I just stick around with 5 speed then.

Something been bothering me too. Why didn't Mitsu create a sequential manual gearbox like in BMW?

Noob? It is sequential.

wow old tech in a new car i dont think so.this tranny is way up the ladder better then the v-dub ones.

Guys, the so called SST is like the tranny in Mitsubishi Galant VR4 right?

Why would Mitsubishi create it with paddleshift? (if it's wrong spelling, sorry)

Sounds kinda weird, if you ask me...

But a 6 speed manual! I wanted X like that...but if it's weaker, guess I just stick around with 5 speed then.

Something been bothering me too. Why didn't Mitsu create a sequential manual gearbox like in BMW?

Hey REX, I had a Galant VR4, 1997. The shifter on those is based off the Porsche Tiptronic system. It shifted at ~800ms with each lever action. The new SST shifts up in ~8ms.

That is 10x faster than the current gen SMG from BMW and 100x faster than the sequential automatics out in the market now.

Btw my car also had an AYC with gauge meter like on the new EVO X telling how hard it's working. Yaw control is amazing, you guys will love it :)

I'm curious. For everyone who is debating on the plusses and minuses of a 5 speed manual versus a six speed manual, can you please tell me the rationale you use to pick one or the other?

I'm curious. For everyone who is debating on the plusses and minuses of a 5 speed manual versus a six speed manual, can you please tell me the rationale you use to pick one or the other?

For me it is so I can get the freaken' BBS rims, leather recaro, blisten, eibach, and my rocksford.

Lots of traffic in my area.

Oh, resale value is usually higher, in Vancouver at least, and easier sell too.

I'm curious. For everyone who is debating on the plusses and minuses of a 5 speed manual versus a six speed manual, can you please tell me the rationale you use to pick one or the other?

As far as I know 5spd manaul is the only stick shft.
The SST's come with the 6 spd sequencial manaul.

I picked 5 spd because I like having 'old school' way of shifting.
It also is slightly lighter (rumoured).

Presuming that the transmission will be cheaper to work on in the 5spd since its old technology. When I put down 400hp it will be easy to slap a new clutch and pressure plate on the 5 spd. Who knows how expensive an upgrade would be on the SST. Not to mention the electronic/programming issues when you put down more power.

GSR-SSS-With NAV for me.
I will buy the suspension and wheels that I want instead of settling for the factory stuff. And leather is overrated.

For me it is so I can get the freaken' BBS rims, leather recaro, blisten, eibach, and my rocksford.

Lots of traffic in my area.

Oh, resale value is usually higher, in Vancouver at least, and easier sell too.

Jackygor, I think he meant 5MT versus 6MT, not 5 MT versus SST.

If we are talking in general, why I prefer a 6 spd manual over a 5 spd manual, it is because of the closer ratios between 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th gears. Also, typically the 6th gear is taller in a 6spd than the 5th gear is in a 5 spd, so you get better fuel economy on the highway.

I kind of wish they had made a 6th gear for the GSR. On the freeway I want to shift to 6th so bad cause it sounds like it wants to climb the revs a little higher.