OK guys this is what happens when you get too aggressive at an AutoX.

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11777&stc=1&d=1268093434

Front fascia is going to be totally replaced with an aftermarket Kaminari Fascia I had in the garage just WAITING for installation. The tray with the parts on it is from the SS braided brake lines I installed.

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11778&stc=1&d=1268093434

Here you can see that the radiator that was pushed back when the intercooler was pushed back.

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11779&stc=1&d=1268093434

This is where the intercooler hit the curb.

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11780&stc=1&d=1268093434

Radiator support needs to be replaced, so yes, it's a little pricey...

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11781&stc=1&d=1268093434

Here is a video of the previous run. I ran out of memory card that day (Damn vacation pics and vids...) Next run I shave off another second but went through the finish too fast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_fJFqyzosw

Don't tell me that was a cone!

damn dude what did you hit?

Don't tell me that was a cone! No, not a cone...

damn dude what did you hit?
There was a curb near the finish line and I went through the finish line way too fast... oops. I'll post a video of the previous run to this one...

seeing that intercooler makes baby jeebus cry :'(

seeing that intercooler makes baby jeebus cry :'(
I know I know... There is a new one on the way!

well glad it wasnt worse!

at least you get a new IC

No, that's not from being too aggressive. That is from hitting something. Ouch, btw.

Did the Safety Steward fill out an incident report?

Could also be that the course design was a wee bit on the risky side, too close to the kerbing.

wow. who puts the finish line with a curb in sight?!

Messed up course design if you ask me. They really should have known people were gonna gun it through the finish for the fastest time...

Video adonde????

No, not a cone...


Haha good, I was going to say that was one heck of a cone...

Video adonde????
Video added above... Not the crash run but the one before. I ran out of memory card.

Sorry to hear that. Nice vid though. Looks like fun and it looks like your car is a blast to drive.

no this is getting too aggressive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyMDNzhfwn0

lol

that's a bad spot for the finish line.

owwwwwwww no!!!!!

No, that's not from being too aggressive. That is from hitting something. Ouch, btw.

Did the Safety Steward fill out an incident report?

Could also be that the course design was a wee bit on the risky side, too close to the kerbing.

wow. who puts the finish line with a curb in sight?!

Messed up course design if you ask me. They really should have known people were gonna gun it through the finish for the fastest time...

All that might be true but I bumped on the 4th run and I'm not about to blame anyone else. I knew the course by that time. I now future course designs will take this into account.

Sorry to hear that. Nice vid though. Looks like fun and it looks like your car is a blast to drive.Thanks, both the VIII and the X MR are a blast to drive. The VIII is a little more Raw but it is a blast.

no this is getting too aggressive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyMDNzhfwn0

lol
LOL Hah that's defective lug nuts... LOL

This makes me sad.

my hat's off to you sir, could be worse, where i normally go there's a huge ditch that swallows at least 1 car per year.

This makes me sad.Me too, but it will get fixed and now I have a mishimoto radiator... As my wife says, Never replace, UPGRADE!

my hat's off to you sir, could be worse, where i normally go there's a huge ditch that swallows at least 1 car per year.
Like I said... my own damn fault. but now I know. In two weeks I'll be at it again.

damn scoot! time to swap your car for an X.. its 'far' too damaged to fix.

not cool

damn scoot! time to swap your car for an X.. its 'far' too damaged to fix.

HAHAHA... When we do AutoX more than 50 miles from home, we just take 1 car. I've done plenty of AutoX in the X MR. And I really do love both cars. Each has a slightly different personality yet they are both Evos. Like twin brothers that take different life paths.

As to a trade in, probably not going to happen as the VIII (Dax) is PAID OFF!! Now if my financial stuation changes I may get a X as a daily and use the VIII as a track only beast. :D

Wow, I was wondering how bad it was after that pm you sent me. Too bad you can't get insurance to cover it.:innocent:

LOL Hah that's defective lug nuts... LOL Nah, that's a pit crew and a tech inspector that need to be fired. Or tarred and feathered, depending on the weather.

And that course is marked all wrong. The SCCA spec for a vertical cone with a [single] horizontal laying-down cone right next to it is that marks the INSIDE of the corner, often the apex. If it's purpose is a guide or pointer cones, there must be at least two horizontal cones, preferably three. Look at how a ProSolo course uses cone placements.

Like where the first gate is in your video. The right side has a vertical cone and one laying down (horizontal) next to it, on the right. That indicates a RIGHT turn. See pic.

Looking at the exit, if I'm correctly IDing where the timing lights are, the yellow kerbing (is that where you aggressived?) looks to be more than the 75 foot minimum clearance specified by SCCA.

Nah, that's a pit crew and a tech inspector that need to be fired. Or tarred and feathered, depending on the weather.

And that course is marked all wrong. The SCCA spec for a vertical cone with a [single] horizontal laying-down cone right next to it is that marks the INSIDE of the corner, often the apex. If it's purpose is a guide or pointer cones, there must be at least two horizontal cones, preferably three. Look at how a ProSolo course uses cone placements.

Like where the first gate is in your video. The right side has a vertical cone and one laying down (horizontal) next to it, on the right. That indicates a RIGHT turn. See pic.

Looking at the exit, if I'm correctly IDing where the timing lights are, the yellow kerbing (is that where you aggressived?) looks to be more than the 75 foot minimum clearance specified by SCCA.

I can't speak to the course design as that was done by others... Our club broke from SCCA for some political reason and we get zero support from SCCA. (the SCCA Leadership will barely even recognize our existence) That said I know the club owners try to follow SCCA rules and they are insured and all but lately there has been a shortage of core workers. (Everybody loves to play but few put in the time to make it work) That has been remedied recently with an influx of new core workers but we are still smoothing things out. I just joined the core group a few months ago. We do have plenty of time in the mornings for people to walk the course. But the course was not lined either... we don't have enough people to do setup in the mornings.

And yes the yellow kerbing is where I "aggressived"... I went through way too hot and I was not used to how the brakes were working now that I put in the SS braided brake lines. I had just installed them the weekend before. I wish I had had enough memory on the card to record my screwup so I could have seen "exactly" where I screwed up.

would have been interesting to hear the profanity comments as well :-)

Curb : 1
Evo: 0

would have been interesting to hear the profanity comments as well :-)
Bizarrely enough, neither my wife nor I "profaned". It really was an 'Oops' moment.

Curb : 1
Truck : 1
Evo: 0

Fixed ^^^ :thumbup:

nice lol

fookn' chevys

Damn I wounder what happen to your ride man, Your where saying you F'ed it up but I did not want to bring up cause I know it hurts sCOTT (AKA "Chichis") lol. But you might be able get some duck tape and silcone and fix that IC.

No for real though man sucks, but like you guys say, no repairs only upgrades!!! Sorry for damage.

Damn I wounder what happen to your ride man, Your where saying you F'ed it up but I did not want to bring up cause I know it hurts sCOTT (AKA "Chichis") lol. But you might be able get some duck tape and silcone and fix that IC. Nah, it doesn't hurt too much. It's just a car. A GREAT CAR... But I can get another. The IC is actually bent back. I don't know if you can see it in the pictures. I may have to get one of the others.

Edit: Yeah you can see it in pictures 4 & 5.

No for real though man sucks, but like you guys say, no repairs only upgrades!!! Sorry for damage. Again, you gotta pay if you want to play...

Damage isn't bad. That car (and the kerb) will live again.

Thanks for sharing!

No pictures show it fine. Was being a dick saying you could fix it with duct tape lol.

Ohh I get add you to wreck thread!!!

Bizarrely enough, neither my wife nor I "profaned". It really was an 'Oops' moment.

haha then your a better man than me...I would have been cursing myself and lamenting over the damage

Damage isn't bad. That car (and the kerb) will live again.

Thanks for sharing!No problem...

...Was being a dick... And you are so good at it... :p

haha then your a better man than me...I would have been cursing myself and lamenting over the damage Just think about it for a minute... with all the shit that is going on these days this is really "small potatoes", I screwed up, I'll fix it, I'll be racing again in two weeks. It's not something I want to repeat but it's just a learning experience. It's not like I'm dying of cancer or something.

Our club broke from SCCA for some political reason and we get zero support from SCCA. (the SCCA Leadership will barely even recognize our existence) The last year or so SCCA National has moved totally into a membership organization - no more "guest drivers". Not good or bad - used to be you could go to an event and sign the waiver and drive a few times a year. Now you must join SCCA as a member - although they do have a one-time fee that's less than a full membership. I stay out of the politics for the most part.

I don't drive auto-x anymore but I do participate as an SSS (Solo Safety Steward). So I finally get to use all those skills I learned decades past while being a competitor. And I've learned a LOT about course design.

A large benefit to being an SCCA-sanctioned event is the cheap cost of insurance through them. I can't imagine what the cost would be for a small club.

The last year or so SCCA National has moved totally into a membership organization - no more "guest drivers". Not good or bad - used to be you could go to an event and sign the waiver and drive a few times a year. Now you must join SCCA as a member - although they do have a one-time fee that's less than a full membership. I stay out of the politics for the most part.

I don't drive auto-x anymore but I do participate as an SSS (Solo Safety Steward). So I finally get to use all those skills I learned decades past while being a competitor. And I've learned a LOT about course design.

A large benefit to being an SCCA-sanctioned event is the cheap cost of insurance through them. I can't imagine what the cost would be for a small club.

I think we get our insurance through K&K, I need to check with Jim on that. It's not too bad. And I do remember about 6 years ago we would accept SCCA memberships as ER memberships, same discount on the event. But something happened back then where they had a falling out. There seems to have been some kind of personality conflict. Ever since then the Florida SCCA has refused to even acknowledge our existence. Or so that's how I hear the story told. Either way it's a lousy way to promote the sport. Letting personalities get in the way of a larger goal is just poor common sense.

There are a lot of people here at work I don't like, but I just focus on the work and forget about the personalities. Most of these folks are professionals and we get the job done. But it almost seems in my eyes that SCCA is being... Elitist? Snobish? I don't know... The whole thing just sucks. But ER is a great little club and the core members really do work their asses off for this sport.

No, that's not from being too aggressive. That is from hitting something. Ouch, btw.

Could also be that the course design was a wee bit on the risky side, too close to the kerbing.

I agree with you, the end of the course was fast and the exit was tight. More than one person had to make "crazy" turns to prevent accidents. Again, it is a lesson learned but the course was not friendly at all.

I agree with you, the end of the course was fast and the exit was tight. More than one person had to make "crazy" turns to prevent accidents. Again, it is a lesson learned but the course was not friendly at all. From what I could make out in the [rather grainy] video, the course looked like it had the minimum required distances from obstacles, such as trees, kerbs, non-paved areas, etc. - but it was hard to tell from the video what the actual distances were. 50 - 75 feet is the minimum safe distance, depending on the direction and obstacle and it looks like the stop lights are 50 feet or so from the kerb. But it certainly would've been better to not have that exit straight as long as it was

In all cases - let me repeat this just to be clear - in ALL cases final safety is up to the driver. Any incident is always the fault of the driver with perhaps the exception of a nude spectator flashing across the course (don't laugh, I've seen it!) or a mechanical failure - which is the always the responsibility of the vehicle owner. That is in the waiver language (not the part about the nude runner).

As a general rule if I see something that's close after a few cars run, I will change the course to make it safer. And it if's after the lights, then there is no need to give anyone re-runs.

Decades ago we used to have stop cones. I'm glad they're gone as it often put a non-skilled course worker too close to harms way. Some regions replaced them with a sharp exit after the clock - where cones still count past the lights.

Good course design, that's not repetitious or boring month after month is an real art - beyond my skill set.

The original is not grainy (thanks youtube) and I do agree that it's the driver's responsibility... which is even why I titled this thread "getting too aggressive". Just sharing my experience in the hopes someone else might avoid the same.

From what I could make out in the [rather grainy] video, the course looked like it had the minimum required distances from obstacles, such as trees, kerbs, non-paved areas, etc. - but it was hard to tell from the video what the actual distances were. 50 - 75 feet is the minimum safe distance, depending on the direction and obstacle and it looks like the stop lights are 50 feet or so from the kerb. But it certainly would've been better to not have that exit straight as long as it was

In all cases - let me repeat this just to be clear - in ALL cases final safety is up to the driver. Any incident is always the fault of the driver with perhaps the exception of a nude spectator flashing across the course (don't laugh, I've seen it!) or a mechanical failure - which is the always the responsibility of the vehicle owner. That is in the waiver language (not the part about the nude runner).

As a general rule if I see something that's close after a few cars run, I will change the course to make it safer. And it if's after the lights, then there is no need to give anyone re-runs.

Decades ago we used to have stop cones. I'm glad they're gone as it often put a non-skilled course worker too close to harms way. Some regions replaced them with a sharp exit after the clock - where cones still count past the lights.

Good course design, that's not repetitious or boring month after month is an real art - beyond my skill set.

Last week I got my car back and all is well... Repairs have been made, parts have arrived (FINALLY) and been installed... But I thought You might all like to see the aftermath. The intercooler was returned of course...

And here it is... Not too bad really....................... from the front.

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12686&stc=1&d=1270510116

And here is the back... Oops.....

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12687&stc=1&d=1270510116

Well, Dax is back on her feet... errrr wheels and is now sporting a new look. New APS Intercooler, Mishimoto Radiator and Gates Radiator hoses have been installed. Front Fascia is Kaminari, very thick polyurethane. Some will like and some will hate but it's all I have for the moment... Look out for a new Poll in the CT9A section.

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=12688&stc=1&d=1270510116

Haha yeah I was gonna say, the IC doesn't look too bad...

Hey man looks good! Nice and clean.

Great drive scooter, I think aggressiveness is good sometimes in racing since racing is an aggressive sport, but you took it like a champ for that damage. Man, I would be crying but that is racing tho either you go all out or you don't race at all.

Hey man looks good! Nice and clean.

I still have to add the grill and straighten the new intercooler... It seems just a little bit off... then again I'm just picky. Gotta get some stuff soon for Ana's X though. I'm thinking a little CF until she's ready to do real mods.

Great drive scooter, I think aggressiveness is good sometimes in racing since racing is an aggressive sport, but you took it like a champ for that damage. Man, I would be crying but that is racing tho either you go all out or you don't race at all.

Thanks, It cost me a little but lesson learned.... And money isn't everything.

Yeah, that old cooler certainly meets my definition of "twisted".

Glad to see it running again!

was just gonna ask if you're gonna add grilles,

In all cases - let me repeat this just to be clear - in ALL cases final safety is up to the driver. Any incident is always the fault of the driver with perhaps the exception of a nude spectator flashing across the course (don't laugh, I've seen it!) or a mechanical failure - which is the always the responsibility of the vehicle owner. That is in the waiver language (not the part about the nude runner).

I somewhat agree with you, but also disagree. No matter what if a course is desinged badly no driver can compensate while keeping it competitive. A perfect example is from the winter Olympics and the bobsled track. Even the most experience had issues on this course, lowering start positions (a physical change to the course) was the only way to consistently and safely get people down the mountain. If there were multiple issues in an auto-x course I don't believe it was the drivers and lack of experience that is to blame. I mean isn't auto-x not a driving school but more of a lap time competition so why hold back? IDK I feel that this track was just a poor design and I mean how can someone design a course that end into a curb? I mean the track was made of cones...haha. What ever. Car looks sick now.

I know what the issue was, the Country music. Holy hell, you are the first person I have even seen to make an Auto-X video and intentionally record Country in the process... Well done you!

As Jeff Foxworthy said, "You might be a Redneck if..."

I know what the issue was, the Country music. Holy hell, you are the first person I have even seen to make an Auto-X video and intentionally record Country in the process... Well done you!

As Jeff Foxworthy said, "You might be a Redneck if..."

No, that was coming out of my radio... I use country music to calm down betwen runs (either that or some Celtic tunes)... Smooth is fast as they say. So it just got recorded as the camera has decent sound recording. Next time when I edit I'm going to have to add some Wagner or something...

...Maybe a little John Williams. I was slipping between a couple of Semis last week and I had flashbacks to flying down the trench of the Death Star at the battle of Yavin. :confused2:

I somewhat agree with you, but also disagree. No matter what if a course is desinged badly no driver can compensate while keeping it competitive. A perfect example is from the winter Olympics and the bobsled track. Even the most experience had issues on this course, lowering start positions (a physical change to the course) was the only way to consistently and safely get people down the mountain. If there were multiple issues in an auto-x course I don't believe it was the drivers and lack of experience that is to blame. I mean isn't auto-x not a driving school but more of a lap time competition so why hold back? IDK I feel that this track was just a poor design and I mean how can someone design a course that end into a curb? I mean the track was made of cones...haha. What ever. Car looks sick now. If you, as a driver, find something to be unsafe, then you should immediately bring that to the attention of the Safety Stewart and Event Director (assuming SCCA-sanctioned events). There are pretty strict rules and some guidelines that dictate what "safe" means, while some of it is due to interpretation.

But you, as a driver, are the only one controlling your car when on-course. The course does not control your driving.

Unfortunately for auto-x (solo) it is not possible to install tire barriers, gravel traps, etc. like can be done on real race tracks. So generally walls of cones - a visual indicator - and distance are the only options available.

Parking lots with kerbing are just dangerous and it's very difficult to work around the kerbing (and trees!) but you only get to play in the park you have.

To be a fast driver, one needs to be able to "turn on the fast" and then turn it off again. I'm sure there's a name for knowing when.

To be a fast driver, one needs to be able to "turn on the fast" and then turn it off again. I'm sure there's a name for knowing when.
It's called "common sense" which sometimes becomes overridden by the desire to "kick butt". Experience tempers the "kick butt" desire.

no this is getting too aggressive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyMDNzhfwn0

lol

That's jacked up! Learn to torque IMHO.

That's jacked up! Learn to torque IMHO. Someone needs to fire their pit crew and the event's tech inspector(s).

I remember going through tech once at a drag strip and the inspector was checking my lugnuts with his fingers. I laughed pretty hard until he checked another car in the inspection line and was able to remove two nuts (same wheel) with his fingers!