Just curious, but how do you think these will match up acceleration wise? stock for stock according to Car & Driver mag numbers, EVO X 0-60 is 5.0 whereas the 335i is 4.8.

I went a little further and found that the Vishnu chip brings the 335i to 390-400hp (i'm gonna make the assumption that this is to the wheels) on the protege v2 chip alone w/ 0-60 in 4.4sec. Since the 135i is gonna be 300lbs lighter, i'm gonna assume that the 135i is gonna perform much better. even beyond it's acceleration potential, its 50/50 weight distribution will make it handle damn well, making it one hell of a competitor to the evoX even though its gonna be a RWD.

I'm wondering how you guys think the EvoX will stand up to a chipped 335i (or a 135i). the Evo IX with the chip and passive boost solenoid emulator bring the car to 380hp (again i'm assuming to the wheels) and 0-60 in 3.9sec. and since Vishnu is stating that the EvoX is responding better than the EvoIX to mods in every category, i'm assuming that we can expect the EvoX to be closer to the 3.7-3.8s range, which is crazy fast.

But yea, back to subject. how do you think the EvoX chipped is gonna match up to the 135i chipped???

In accleration field with a nice set of drag radial tire on the 135i
then it might be a even match for the EVO-X, But on the street the 135i has no chance.

50/50 Weight disribution sound good and all but, Its not even a close match to the Evo-X S-AWC, comparison on handling can end here. The M3 cant even out handle an
EVO, The 135i Isnt going to cut it.

:iagree:---I see an evo X with 380whp beating an m3 at the track. But a stock evo would need a short twisty track to give it to the m3.

Bmw 135i 0-100Km/h 5,3sec Bmw 335i 5,5sec...

My take:

With similar power...

-the Evo X will out accelerate the 135i on the street, but it will be close.

-the 135i will out accelerate the Evo X on the track, but again, it will be close.

-The Evo X will vastly outhandle the 135i in any situation

My take:

With similar power...

-the Evo X will out accelerate the 135i on the street, but it will be close.

-the 135i will out accelerate the Evo X on the track, but again, it will be close.

-The Evo X will vastly outhandle the 135i in any situation

I think 135i will ultimately out drag (in top speed) a evo with similar power because 135i is a bit lighter and it is RWD.

I can confidently say that the Evo X will PWN the 135i on the track given they have similar power output.

I can confidently say that the Evo X will PWN the 135i on the track given they have similar power output.

I was hoping BWM'd bring the 5 Dr. 135i to the US since I'm getting rod of my soon to be 5 yr. old FX45 and wanted another daily driver/weekend activity car, but since they aren't going to do that, I now have a deposit in for an MR (will have to have a roof rack to carry bikes and kayak and dog will have to make do in the back seat.) I'll shoot for somewhere around 350 to 380 WHP along with an aftermarket suspension setup which I think will outform a similiarly tuned 135i in 90% of the driving conditions.
BTW, what is "PWN"?

I think 135i will ultimately out drag (in top speed) a evo with similar power because 135i is a bit lighter and it is RWD.

I can confidently say that the Evo X will PWN the 135i on the track given they have similar power output.

I don't know where you guys are getting your assumptions... but a stock 335i vs a stock evo 9 at VIR time attack the 335i was faster by 1.5secs.

The latest Fifth Gear shootout had the 135i ahead by 1.8 secs vs the porsche caymen and the caymen is no slouch. on a 1minute27sec track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn72BfRMT8M

Most good drivers/racers prefer a 50/50 balance 2wd car vs a awd car with 60f/40r weight distribution.

I drove my friends 335i chipped with exhaust and it's very fast with massive tq right from the get go. the 3litre twin turbos of BMW should not be taken lightly. The EVO X is fast but not the holy grail by any means. Lots of other cars have closed the gap on the EVO and STI now.

My 08 STI is at stage 2 but driving a chipped 335i back to back on the streets I'd have to say the 335i is faster in straight line acceleration.

As for the track.. i'll let you guys know in april when I get the drive my buddies 335i in portland.

lol, PWN is supposed to be OWN as in "defeat" or "kick his/her ass". i dont know why there is a P there

I don't know where you guys are getting your assumptions... but a stock 335i vs a stock evo 9 at VIR time attack the 335i was faster by 1.5secs.

Where did you get that info?

The latest Fifth Gear shootout had the 135i ahead by 1.8 secs vs the porsche caymen and the caymen is no slouch. on a 1minute27sec track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn72BfRMT8M


Impressive. However, there is some room for fluff there. Different drivers, their speed from the start of the lap, etc.

Most good drivers/racers prefer a 50/50 balance 2wd car vs a awd car with 60f/40r weight distribution.

I drove my friends 335i chipped with exhaust and it's very fast with massive tq right from the get go. the 3litre twin turbos of BMW should not be taken lightly.

Yeah, that's what I love about the 135i/335i...the motor.

The EVO X is fast but not the holy grail by any means. Lots of other cars have closed the gap on the EVO and STI now.

My 08 STI is at stage 2 but driving a chipped 335i back to back on the streets I'd have to say the 335i is faster in straight line acceleration.

As for the track.. i'll let you guys know in april when I get the drive my buddies 335i in portland.


Sweet.

I don't know where you guys are getting your assumptions... but a stock 335i vs a stock evo 9 at VIR time attack the 335i was faster by 1.5secs.

The latest Fifth Gear shootout had the 135i ahead by 1.8 secs vs the porsche caymen and the caymen is no slouch. on a 1minute27sec track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn72BfRMT8M

Most good drivers/racers prefer a 50/50 balance 2wd car vs a awd car with 60f/40r weight distribution.

I drove my friends 335i chipped with exhaust and it's very fast with massive tq right from the get go. the 3litre twin turbos of BMW should not be taken lightly. The EVO X is fast but not the holy grail by any means. Lots of other cars have closed the gap on the EVO and STI now.

keep in mind that the 335i also has more stock whp. The Evo IX stands around 230whp while a stock 335i is around 250whp. that there is a good difference. again, the test of the 135i vs. the Cayman (btw, it wasn't even a Cayman S so it has a mere 245bhp/201tq to the 135's 300bhp/300tq), the 135i has significantly more power.

Lastly, the topic of this thread is comparing two cars both chipped by the Vishnu chip. The 335i chipped to 380-400whp again has the 0-60 time in 4.4 whereas the Evo IX chipped to 380whp has a 0-60 time in 3.9. this is why we are assuming the X will beat the 135i, since the X, according to Vishnu, has proven to respond better to mods than their Evo IX.

I don't know where you guys are getting your assumptions... but a stock 335i vs a stock evo 9 at VIR time attack the 335i was faster by 1.5secs.

Are you referring to Car and Driver's Lighting Lap test? In 2006 an Evo 9 MR ran 3:13.5. A year later, August 2007, 335i coupe ran a 3:10.5.

Then again Motor Trend's Best Handling article in 2007 recorded these stats at Laguna Seca...so different tracks, drivers, cars=different results.

Evolution IX MR
Best lap 1:47.926
74.7 mph avg
1.36g peak lateral acceleration

BMW 335i coupe
Best Lap 1:49.038
73.9 mph avg
1.32g peak lateral acceleration

Are you referring to Car and Driver's Lighting Lap test? In 2006 an Evo 9 MR ran 3:13.5. A year later, August 2007, 335i coupe ran a 3:10.5.

Then again Motor Trend's Best Handling article in 2007 recorded these stats at Laguna Seca...so different tracks, drivers, cars=different results.

Evolution IX MR
Best lap 1:47.926
74.7 mph avg
1.36g peak lateral acceleration

BMW 335i coupe
Best Lap 1:49.038
73.9 mph avg
1.32g peak lateral acceleration

Ya, it really depends on the track. I think The 335i would DESTROY a stock evo 9/X given enough straight road on the track, while evo 9/X would kill the 335i at a track like Ebisu (the small track on Best Motoring.)

yea, on a straight track with enough road, for sure he 335i will kill the Evo IX or even the X. Evo's and Sti's are accelerators, not top speed cars. my friend actually raced a is350 and they held even till about 90, when the is started to walk away

yea, on a straight track with enough road, for sure he 335i will kill the Evo IX or even the X. Evo's and Sti's are accelerators, not top speed cars. my friend actually raced a is350 and they held even till about 90, when the is started to walk away



I would not be so sure about EVO IX or X, it looks like they are almost same weight
335i = 3571 LB 300HP
EVO X MR = 3594 LB 291HP
EVO X GSR = 3517 LB DITTO ( duh )
EVO IX MR = 3289 LB 286HP

HERE ARE THE LINKS FOR THEIR SPECS.

BMW
http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/Vehicles/2008/3/335iCoupe/Features_and_Specs/335iCoupeSpecifications.aspx

EVO IX

http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/roadtests/0505scc_mitsubishi_evo_ix/index.html

EVO X

http://www.mitsubishicars.com/media/evoinsider/2008_Lancer_Evolution_Technical_&_Mechanical%20Specs.pdf

sorry MEVOX, i don't know what you are getting at. those are just HP/TQ numbers.

^^^

Perhaps he is trying to point out the power to weight ratio?

And the 335 dosent have a LSD, my bro just ordered a 335 coupe AWD b/c the rwd has no lsd. My friend has a chipped 535 and that thing just spins one tire.

cause you say it like "POWN" or like "POWNED" (pwnd) its just an even cooler way to smear it in someones face when you absolutely kick there ass. its derived from online gaming...

back to topic...

Well, I was reading a thread on e90post and a fellow e90 owner also owns a Evo X. He said that the 335i handles like a boat compared to the Evo X. I am hoping to do a comparison between my friend's 335i with sport package to my MR when the car comes.

Also, with new reviews out, seeing how 135i performs, I think it is going to be a tight race with the Evo X in stock form, but I still think the Evo X has more potential when you start modding it.

Well, I was reading a thread on e90post and a fellow e90 owner also owns a Evo X. He said that the 335i handles like a boat compared to the Evo X. I am hoping to do a comparison between my friend's 335i with sport package to my MR and the car comes.

Also, with new reviews out, seeing how 135i performs, I think it is going to be a tight race with the Evo X in stock form, but I still think the Evo X has more potential when you start modding it.


My family has 2 e90 330i's which have the SAME sport setup as the 335i. The handling is pretty good, not as good as the evoX i drove. The Runflat tires we have on one kill the handling and the Mich PS2's on the other one make the car wanna slide straight through a turn. NOT impressed at all.

My family has 2 e90 330i's which have the SAME sport setup as the 335i. The handling is pretty good, not as good as the evoX i drove. The Runflat tires we have on one kill the handling and the Mich PS2's on the other one make the car wanna slide straight through a turn. NOT impressed at all.

How about the steering feel? not a lot of cars have a better steering feel than the 3 series within that class.

How about the steering feel? not a lot of cars have a better steering feel than the 3 series within that class.

Steering feel is great, they have an adaptive steering there they can will adjust the firmness of the steering by driver. Its pretty cool.

Nothing comes close to the tight steering of the Evo line of cars though. Mitsu really knows how to connect a driver to the road.

Nothing comes close to the tight steering of the Evo line of cars though. Mitsu really knows how to connect a driver to the road.

I can't wait :thumbup: I used to drive a G35 coupe, and after driving my friend's 330i, I know what everyone is raving about BMW's steering feel. It is really good news that Evo has a even MORE direct feel than the 3er.

what kind of handling will the 135i have with the pss10 bilstein?
i have the pss9 on my c230k coupe benz and it will out handle anything that comes near it. now what would a good chassi do with 50/50 and lighther wight do with the pss10

It sucks that they made the choices for the Evo so all or nothing. The interior on the GSRs is pretty lackluster, especially when compared to the 135i. The interior in the MR looks a little nicer, but with the MR you get the SST which may not be able to handle these chip type upgrades. If they offered a manual with a nicer interior I'd have already bought one. Now I'm starting to waiver in my decision to wait for the MR and am considering a 135i instead.

Dan