Is there one already? If not...I think it'd be a good idea. I think there might be a lot of people who follow MMA here. I mainly follow UFC, but I keep up with the Dream and Strikeforce promotions as well. Mostly 'cause they televise UFC for free to the military... *struts*

:+1:

UFC=Terrible
Boxing=Way better in every sense of the word

UFC=Terrible
Boxing=Way better in every sense of the word

I'ma go out onna limb here and guess that you're a boxer...or your mom is a boxer??

Dude, don't sleep...

Any well-rounded MMA guy in same weight class as a boxer is gonna take that boxer to REM-stage of dream state!!

So while the ref is countin' to ten, you're countin' sheep!!!

I respect and appreciate boxing fundamentals but MMA is more realistic in the sense of how true martial arts are translated in combat and for that alone, I respect it more. There's a reason martial arts like Sambo (which combine elements of many aspects of martial arts, such as grappling, submission, AND striking) are taught to many of the world's countries' special forces and not just "boxing". Like I mentioned, purely out of the respect for how MMA translates to effectiveness in real-world combat scenarios, I give it the nod. But as a betting man, I'd put funds on the MMA guy who's well-rounded; a ground game will put a boxer on his back and either he'll get ground-n-pounded out or get put to sleep or submitted. An effective MM Artist will neutralize the striking advantage of a boxer but putting him on the ground or inna clench where his boxing will be ineffective.

To give credit where it's due, there are some successful boxing converts in the MMA world--I can't think of anybody except Marcus Davis though. But their success is stunted as soon as they come across somebody versed in grappling, submissions, or wrestling.

P3@cE!

Please don't start that whole worn out argument. Seriously it's simple.... A boxer will beat an MMA guy in a boxing match, an MMA guy will beat a boxer in a MMA match.

I watch both sport and enjoy them both, let's all get along in here okay? :godance:

^^thank u weebles... i understand what your saying Johnny and u make a great point. jus dont think its fair for u to say that the mma guy would completely destroy the boxer...(gotta get the boxer on the ground to win like u said). styles make fights and any fighting style can be realistic but thats jus my 2 cents.

p.s. why would u say my mom is a boxer LOL! if anything my father maybe

James Toney just signed with UFC and will be doing a fight in June, should be interesting!!

Please don't start that whole worn out argument. Seriously it's simple.... A boxer will beat an MMA guy in a boxing match, an MMA guy will beat a boxer in a MMA match.

I watch both sport and enjoy them both, let's all get along in here okay? :godance:

I'm not here purely for the sake of debate, my argument reflects my experience and what I believe. I honestly think that you don't have much experience fighting if you think boxing will make you an effective fighter anywhere outside of a ring. if you think a ref is gonna be there to make sure there's no illegal blows or moves, you're playin' yourself. The operating condition of my argument is how MMA translates to real-world combat scenarios. I don't just mean inna war zone. I'm talkin' about self defense in your everyday ordinary encounter with a punk. It's not that hard to close the distance onna boxer if you can tighten your trunk suck up a couple body blows, you can even control which parts of your body receive punishment, cover your face, and then close the gap neutralizing his strikes and then secure a clench. Then, if the boxer doesn't know grappling...then what?? That's my point.

^^thank u weebles... i understand what your saying Johnny and u make a great point. jus dont think its fair for u to say that the mma guy would completely destroy the boxer...(gotta get the boxer on the ground to win like u said). styles make fights and any fighting style can be realistic but thats jus my 2 cents.

p.s. why would u say my mom is a boxer LOL! if anything my father maybe

the word of the day is facetious!! I was just making a mockery of the situation. America, this is you...take a joke!

P3@ce! y'all

for the record, I respect boxing and I think it's critical to learn good striking fundamentals, footwork, hand placement, etc

I'm not here purely for the sake of debate, my argument reflects my experience and what I believe. I honestly think that you don't have much experience fighting if you think boxing will make you an effective fighter anywhere outside of a ring. if you think a ref is gonna be there to make sure there's no illegal blows or moves, you're playin' yourself. The operating condition of my argument is how MMA translates to real-world combat scenarios. I don't just mean inna war zone. I'm talkin' about self defense in your everyday ordinary encounter with a punk. It's not that hard to close the distance onna boxer if you can tighten your trunk suck up a couple body blows, you can even control which parts of your body receive punishment, cover your face, and then close the gap neutralizing his strikes and then secure a clench. Then, if the boxer doesn't know grappling...then what?? That's my point.



I was never saying otherwise, but in this thread here we were all referring to the 'sport' not real world defense. Obviously MMA is going to be more effective in a no holds barred street fight, not sure why you had to point that out.

Anyways, I'm gonna quit with this now because as I said before both sports are great, they are fun to train and fun to watch. If you prefer one over the other so be it that is absolutely fine however they are two completely different sports so saying one is better than the other is just a matter of opinion.

I forgot about Nate Diaz's performance, good stuff...it's about time he won. I think that kid's been robbed inna couple decision verdicts. Namely when he fought guida...I think the UFC judging panel is very partial and operates under strict instruction to (if possible) give a decision to the more sensationalized fighter in order to keep revenues up. Dana White likes to pimp popularity contests, since popularity sells tickets...effing bastard is ruining the sport in some ways.

I forgot about Nate Diaz's performance, good stuff...it's about time he won. I think that kid's been robbed inna couple decision verdicts. Namely when he fought guida...I think the UFC judging panel is very partial and operates under strict instruction to (if possible) give a decision to the more sensationalized fighter in order to keep revenues up. Dana White likes to pimp popularity contests, since popularity sells tickets...effing bastard is ruining the sport in some ways.

Actually you're COMPLETELY wrong. For someone who seems to like MMA so much I figured you'd know this......

The Judges and Referees are all supplied by the Athletic Commission of whichever state they are in. Dana White / Lorenzo Fertitta have absolutely NO CONTROL over who judges or refs which fight, so despite it seeming controversial in a benificial manner sometimes it's completely coincidental. Dana White is actually a very fair guy when someone gets ripped off on a decision he will sometimes reward the losing fighter with a winning bonus anyways or get them an immediate rematch AND a bonus (See Shogun Rua vs Lyoto Machida). The only thing I dislike about Dana White is when he runs counter-programming to shows like Strikeforce and the old Affliction shows, I think that is a low blow type move but other than that he is an awesome guy to have running the UFC.

Actually you're COMPLETELY wrong. For someone who seems to like MMA so much I figured you'd know this......

The Judges and Referees are all supplied by the Athletic Commission of whichever state they are in. Dana White / Lorenzo Fertitta have absolutely NO CONTROL over who judges or refs which fight, so despite it seeming controversial in a benificial manner sometimes it's completely coincidental. Dana White is actually a very fair guy when someone gets ripped off on a decision he will sometimes reward the losing fighter with a winning bonus anyways or get them an immediate rematch AND a bonus (See Shogun Rua vs Lyoto Machida). The only thing I dislike about Dana White is when he runs counter-programming to shows like Strikeforce and the old Affliction shows, I think that is a low blow type move but other than that he is an awesome guy to have running the UFC.

You are what the dictionary and I'm sure sexual predators like to call "naive"; good luck walkin' alone at night. I know I'll be waiting for you in the parking lot...

Don't mistake compensating a losing fighter as equity when he's prolly tryin'a pacify his own guilty conscience. I'd like some citations as to this compensation for losing fighters too...if you're talking about the fight of the night award, it always goes to both fighters (both winner/loser). That's not compensation for just the loser, it's awarded to both contestants. Most who watched the shogun/machida match thought shogun won, there was a public outcry about the results and that's why there's an immediate rematch, only because the fight was so high profile and ignoring a patent misjudging would have hurt the UFC's popularity if he didn't respond with the rematch as he did. EVEN MACHIDA ADMITTED HE THOUGHT HE LOST!!!

Systems always have loopholes, and your average human being always has a purchase price. If you're saying that all judges are virtuous men, well...I'll just wait for you to say it before I respond to that.

Dana White is a politician, his bottom line is the dollar and not equity. He's done great things promoting the UFC and marketing the sport, even unifying fighters from different promotions but his interest was in the almighty green and not what's best for the sport. To argue otherwise, I think is ignorant...

P.S. since half the fights happen in Vegas, you don't think Dana's got rapport with the judging panel or NSAC?? haha, you're funny...I like you, you make me laugh!

okay, talk about bad vision gone wrong...

this was supposed to be an edit for the above but I guess I clicked quote instead of edit. MY BAD!

just to preempt any potential antagonized response...

I was heckling you about the sexual predator part but I do think you're naive about Dana White's business ethics.

P3@cE!

Stay tuned!!!

Seems like you follow MMA and look forward to exchanging perspectives with you in the future...I'm not looking forward to 112, I think the main event is a mismatch (a gross mismatch) and the co-main event, jiyeah. I love Hughes but I think he is washed up!! The rest of the undercards don't interest me. But if it's anything like 111, the undercards are gonna bring fire!!

I'm sorry but there is as much proof the judges are paid off as there is proof they aren't. That argument tactic works both ways, and in the end is useless.

Dana White CONSTANTLY complains about bad judging decisions and TERRIBLE referees, if you follow his blogs you'd see that he has a very strong hatred for refs like Steve Mazzagatti and Dan Miragliotta.. He's also explained why the judges are so terrible, it's because the athletic commision did not go out and train or hire separate judges for MMA, they are all judges ported over from the boxing world so unfortunately most of them don't know much about grappling etc. If you truly think he had control over the commision why in the world would he constantly complain about them? Just an act to cover up his conspiracy lol?

"Mazzagatti, as a referee?" White said. "This f**king guy shouldn't even be watching MMA on TV, let alone refereeing it. I think he's the worst ref in the history of any fight business, ever. He's horrible. We don't pick the refs. The athletic commission does. Those guys are picked by the government. It's not that I don't like him, he's a nice guy. He's an absolute nice guy, he has no business whatsoever being anywhere near mixed martial arts."

Also, I was not referring to the fight of the night bonus when people get ripped off... He's done losing fighters bigger favors when he feels they get robbed.. the direct example I was referring to can be seen below..

Dana doesn't get a lot of props for some of the things he does in public but the prez knows how to hook things up when something goes wrong:

Visibly angry with the decision -- Who cares what I think? I'm only the f***in' promoter! -- White retreats with his entourage to his private dressing room, where he is joined by two financial officers from Zuffa. Along with Lorenzo Fertitta, White decides who should win the bonus money for best submission and the rest. Bonus checks for all the fighters are written out by hand. When they get to Shogun's check, White orders the accountants to "pay the taxes." Meaning, essentially, that he wants Shogun's previously contracted payday to be doubled.

With a check for $250,000 in hand, White goes off looking for Shogun.

When the defeated challenger sees the boss enter his dressing room, he rises shamefacedly from his bench -- his body language says defendant about to be sentenced. His manager stands stolidly at his left elbow; his entourage surrounds him in a semicircle.

White hands Shogun his check. He points to the amount. "Tell him that's the real number," White instructs the manager.

"Thank you, thank you very much," Shogun says in heavily accented English. Back home in Curitiba, Brazil, his wife is expecting their first child. He looks appreciative -- if not exactly satisfied.

"We paid the taxes," White reiterates. Maybe he didn't understand? He points to the check again. "That's the real number there. That's take-home pay."

Shogun listens to the translation. He ratchets his proud, chiseled jaw one crank higher. "Okay, thank you," he says. "Thank you very much."

"I know it doesn't erase what happened."

Resigned: "No, no problem."

"But it's gotta make you feel a little better." White elbows the fighter playfully in the triceps -- I just gave you an extra hundred grand, dude, lighten up!

Shogun breaks down and smiles for real. White regards him appraisingly. "Do you want a rematch?"

No translation is necessary.

i live for ufc... i love it!!.. Rahad evans my favv!.. poor frank mir just got spanked :( and bitch ass dan hardy got embarasse3ed

UFC=Terrible
Boxing=Way better in every sense of the word

Are you serious? One dimensional fight is better than rounded fighting? Cmon now get real. The majority of ufc fighters could take down almost any boxer.


Anyways that's what the off topic section is for.

0o0 yea tonight babby... heres my picks... Bj killing Franki lol... hughes winning smoothly... and anderson with a nice KO... im gettin it ill lett ya guys kno!

Sorry to tell you but you're picks are wrong.

It's already aired live and all I have to say is UPSET.

0o0 yea tonight babby... heres my picks... Bj killing Franki lol... hughes winning smoothly... and anderson with a nice KO... im gettin it ill lett ya guys kno!

BJ Penn vs Frankie Edgar: Penn all the way. I don't think Frankie can pull off the win.

Anderson Silva vs Demian Maia: Although I like both guys, it's hard to pick against Silva. I've heard that he has an underrated ground game but Maia should pick him apart on the ground because he's just that good. In this match up though, every round starts standing up so definitely picking Silva in this one.

Matt Hughes vs Renzo Gracie: Again, both VERY talented fighters. Hughes is a proven warrior with over 50 fights and a very nice record to show for it. Renzo on the other hand has excellent BJJ and his standup isn't too bad either. I think it's a hard call but I always love the BJJ guys so I'm going Renzo for this one.

Can't wait to see how everything turns out. It's going to be a F-ing good PPV event tonight regardless.

BJ Penn vs Frankie Edgar: Penn all the way. I don't think Frankie can pull off the win.

Anderson Silva vs Demian Maia: Although I like both guys, it's hard to pick against Silva. I've heard that he has an underrated ground game but Maia should pick him apart on the ground because he's just that good. In this match up though, every round starts standing up so definitely picking Silva in this one.

Matt Hughes vs Renzo Gracie: Again, both VERY talented fighters. Hughes is a proven warrior with over 50 fights and a very nice record to show for it. Renzo on the other hand has excellent BJJ and his standup isn't too bad either. I think it's a hard call but I always love the BJJ guys so I'm going Renzo for this one.

Can't wait to see how everything turns out. It's going to be a F-ing good PPV event tonight regardless.

BJ Penn is defeated by Edgar by decision.
Silva(wins) gets boo'ed for show boating, but bloodies up Maia. Looks like silva will be dropping to 170 to face GSP
Hughes dismantles Renzo's leg, and you can see the frustration in Renzo's face. Hughes wins

thats fuckin crazzy that it aired b4 we saw it lol

I posted a thread for UFC 113 in the off-topic main forum. We should move discussion there...

thats fuckin crazzy that it aired b4 we saw it lol

Nah I watched it live at 11am this morning :) (1 est)

ahha dam thats siick.. anderson was makin me laugh man... but i got pissed later on he was actin like a bitch.. but the man is nice. hes talin bout movin up to heavy weight lol brock lesnar i dont think so0o

BJ Penn is defeated by Edgar by decision.
Silva(wins) gets boo'ed for show boating, but bloodies up Maia. Looks like silva will be dropping to 170 to face GSP
Hughes dismantles Renzo's leg, and you can see the frustration in Renzo's face. Hughes wins

Good I'll get to say I told you so to the people that said gsp over silva.

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