: The difference between 11.4 and 11.0 or 10's?


evo8604
03-30-2010, 05:53 PM
Here is some data I have been studying the past 2 weeks on 2 different cars which I would like to share.

Both cars are Lex08Gsr and Evo a mula which are 2 clients of mine and have both been to the track with great success in the past 2 weeks.

As you all know Lex08Gsr (Alex) and Evo a mula (Allen) have ran 11.4 @ 121.6mph and 11.0 @ 127mph.

I am overlaying one dynosheet comparing the 2 setups and the 4 tenths between the 2 cars best times so far at the track.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9974/overlays.jpg

Now Lex08Gsr has a bone stock motor with a blouch 2.0 compared to Evo A Mula which runs our upgraded blouch stock appearing turbo and kelford 214b cams/valve springs.

As you can see @ 8,000rpm Evo A Mulas car is making 100whp more than Lex08Gsr with our upgraded turbo and the Kelford 214b cams and valve springs at the same boost (31psi).

Now many of you are going to say with all that extra hp, how come the difference is only 4 tenths of a second?

Evo a mulas car weighs 3,500lbs and is on 18X10.5 Advans w/ all season street tires compared to Lex08Gsr 3,700lbs on stock rims w/ a taller tire and an Ichiba 20mm spacer.

Here are the 2 time slips comparing both best passes to date coming right off the dyno with the overlaying comparisons:

Lex08Gsr:

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3559/1142912163.jpg

Evo a Mula:
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/7859/timeslip.jpg

Both cars are capable of going much faster from 60ft alone I am just comparing 2 cars that are a lot different in power and combination's but not too far away from track time at the moment being.

At first glance we can all conclude that Lex08Gsr can use some cams/valvesprings but with the turbo being just about maxed out how much will a cam change help us?

We can also conclude that Evo a Mulas rims/tire combo is far from efficient and was the difference from running a possible 10.6/10.7 compared to his 11.0.

I will be updating this thread as both cars make progress with their setups.

Now that I have valid proof this is simply to show the community what is needed off my dyno to run the current times with my tuning and the given setup.

Here are both cars setups starting with:

Lex08Gsr:

Blouch 2.0 Turbo
Coolingmist Alcohol Injection (375cc Nozzle, 100% meth)
Full Tbe w/ Ets o2 Dump
4" IC w/ IC Piping
Forge Blow Off Valve
800 c.c Injectors w/ walbro 255 lph fuel pump
Act 6 puck clutch w/ flywheel
ssp master cyl
DG Motors Slave Block
Bone Stock Motor from valve cover to oil pan
Stock ecu, maf, intake mani, exhaust mani, throttle body
31psi Peak/93 Octane/100% Meth
3,700lbs
Ecuflash

Best Pass To Date: 11.42 @ 121.6mph

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6KzUbqTnIY

Evo a Mula:

DG Motors Dominator Turbo ( Custom Blouch Stock Appearing 65lb/min )
Kelford 214B cams/ dual valve springs (un-ported head)
arp head studs/ arp rod bolts
Exedy Tripple Ceremetallic HD Clutch
DG Motors Slave Block/ DG Motors Clutch Master Cyl. Conversion Kit
Ets 4" IC w/ piping
Full Tbe
DG Motors 750hp Fuel System ( In-Tank Walbro 255 w/ inline Bosch 044, -6 in/out fuel lines, ams fuel rail, 1,000 c.c Injectors)
Boomba Throttle Body
Buschur Racing Diff Pins
Mini Battery
Stock Ecu/Maf/Intake and Exhaust Mani/ Stock Bottom End
3,500lbs
31psi/ E-85 Fuel

Best Pass To Date: 11.07 @ 127mph

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Vfh5hJYus

All opinions, comments, concerns are welcome!

Thanks!

Ams EVO X10
03-31-2010, 03:21 AM
i love allens car.. i was there to see it run 11 flat loved it! i talked to him for a while to.. great Car!

pmbaby24
03-31-2010, 03:29 AM
did you get your evo yet bro?

[qute=Ams EVO X10;407771]i love allens car.. i was there to see it run 11 flat loved it! i talked to him for a while to.. great Car![/quote]

Ams EVO X10
03-31-2010, 03:33 AM
will be here may 16th 100%!! its coming in from the port brand new phantom black man! cant wait!

pmbaby24
03-31-2010, 03:34 AM
nice color man..

will be here may 16th 100%!! its coming in from the port brand new phantom black man! cant wait!

Ams EVO X10
03-31-2010, 03:38 AM
thanks man.. im going all black rims and so on... cant wait to run 11s

pmbaby24
03-31-2010, 03:44 AM
we'll see ;)

Ams EVO X10
03-31-2010, 03:51 AM
yes u shall.. lol i have my fp red sittin nice and preety in my basement

bradze
03-31-2010, 04:29 AM
so drag racing fans don't understand simple math? how is 11.07 rounded down to 11.0? wow, that's bad

bradze
03-31-2010, 04:31 AM
well, i guess its like the mustangs with a 5 point 0, will never understand that one either....

pmbaby24
03-31-2010, 04:41 AM
:ttiwwp:

yes u shall.. lol i have my fp red sittin nice and preety in my basement

-Evolved Boost-
03-31-2010, 04:44 AM
what RPM's was Evo a mula crossing the line at in 4th at 127mph?? im still on stock cams so im a little worried about when i go to the track i might hit the limiter too soon.

on2it
03-31-2010, 04:55 AM
good post and thanks for sharing. its good to see what sort of numbers we should be seeing at the qtr based on your mods, whp and dyno power range.

however its probably good to also point out that even though the 60 fts were very similar, both cars were being driven by different drivers therefore have different styles which 'can' equate to different terminal speeds and 1/4 mile times...

but a great post non-theless as it gives me an idea of what sorts of times I should be doing with the mods and whp.

pmbaby24
03-31-2010, 05:08 AM
:amen:i saw your beast evo x on youtube. it's fucking fast..


what RPM's was Evo a mula crossing the line at in 4th at 127mph?? im still on stock cams so im a little worried about when i go to the track i might hit the limiter too soon.

Ams EVO X10
03-31-2010, 05:11 AM
:ttiwwp:

lol u always do this to me.. ask jermey got it from him! look in the old threads my name next to it yessss:thumbup:

pmbaby24
03-31-2010, 05:17 AM
AWW YOU BOUGHT IT USED?

lol u always do this to me.. ask jermey got it from him! look in the old threads my name next to it yessss:thumbup:

-Evolved Boost-
03-31-2010, 05:19 AM
:amen:i saw your beast evo x on youtube. it's fucking fast..

lol thanks man. notice how im reving in 4th at 7,400ish rpm and at around 110mph...thats what makes me worry about what the hell im gonna do at the track as i believe my limiter is at 8k or 8,300, i forget, but i dont know if i will run out of gear before i cross the line.

Ams EVO X10
03-31-2010, 05:19 AM
he only used it for a little bit, he is going a diff route now as u can see in his thread.. its a beaut man ported and polished Mint and saved alot :)

pmbaby24
03-31-2010, 05:27 AM
yes man, god damn your rpm hits 7300'sh mad quick.

lol thanks man. notice how im reving in 4th at 7,400ish rpm and at around 110mph...thats what makes me worry about what the hell im gonna do at the track as i believe my limiter is at 8k or 8,300, i forget, but i dont know if i will run out of gear before i cross the line.

evo8604
03-31-2010, 12:10 PM
good post and thanks for sharing. its good to see what sort of numbers we should be seeing at the qtr based on your mods, whp and dyno power range.

however its probably good to also point out that even though the 60 fts were very similar, both cars were being driven by different drivers therefore have different styles which 'can' equate to different terminal speeds and 1/4 mile times...

but a great post non-theless as it gives me an idea of what sorts of times I should be doing with the mods and whp.

There ya go, one nice post! Of course driving will play a huge role but judging off the 60ft should/will determine how you should be running down the 1/4 if you can slam 3 more gears.