To any of those contemplating the FP Green and wondering what kind of numbers of to expect, here are some graphs of what I did. "Baseline" was my first run without any of my mods tuned, and then "Tuned" is Jon @ HBSpeed using a Cobb AP. My mods for this were: AMS turbo back + widemouth Downpipe + highflow cat., ETS 4" intercooler, HM "filter on a stick" intake, and of course the Cobb AP.

Finally, the "FP Green" lines are with an FP Green (duh), DW 800s, Walbro 255 + Blaqops kit, and OpenECU (I wanted to get off Cobb, so Jon moved me to this).

Jon said this was a solid tune and that advancing or retarding the timing beyond what he ended up with would not make any more or less power (I was running 93 octane gas since I will be moving to Chicago, but the timing ended up being okay for 91 octane).

http://www.yourpicturehost.com/fp_green/horsepower.jpg

http://www.yourpicturehost.com/fp_green/torque.jpg

http://www.yourpicturehost.com/fp_green/boost.jpg

Cool man! looks good.

I expected more out of the FP green, but than again u have a cat & not all the supporting mods. Get some cams n get rid of that cat & im sure there will be big improvements!

:rock: nicely presented good sir

Idk if it's cause I'm on my iPhone...but the pictures aren't working. What are your numbers?

nicely done! now I just need to wait for that tax return...

all peaks

287 baseline tuned w/ no mods
339 tuned AP tuned w/ most bolt ons stock turbo
382 tuned open ECU w/ same bolt ons and a FP Green.

I expected more out of the FP green, but than again u have a cat & not all the supporting mods. Get some cams n get rid of that cat & im sure there will be big improvements!

I wouldn't call cams supporting mods for FP Green, for the FP Red, definitely.

Pictures are PNG - iPhone doesn't support the format I guess, sorry.

all peaks

287 baseline tuned w/ no mods
339 tuned AP tuned w/ most bolt ons stock turbo
382 tuned open ECU w/ same bolt ons and a FP Green.


Thank you!

Does it it say how much boost he was at with each tune? If not then OP let us know.

I can't see either:(

Yes. Let me just convert these to JPG for you, haha.

Links:

http://www.yourpicturehost.com/fp_green/horsepower.jpg
http://www.yourpicturehost.com/fp_green/torque.jpg
http://www.yourpicturehost.com/fp_green/boost.jpg

base line 19 PSI tapering to 15 (seems off to me tuned)
bolton's w/ tune 27 tapering to 17.5
FB green w/ blt ons 27 tapering to 21.5

I can't see either:(

Converted it all to JPG. Should be good now.

I wouldn't call cams supporting mods for FP Green, for the FP Red, definitely.


Why do you say that? I have stock cams and you can see my numbers in my sig. That is with stock cams. I've actually been told that I may barely get any noticable gains with cams considering the Red might be near it's limits.

But since the Green has a broader power range I think cams will definitely make some nice gains for you. But yea cams aren't really considered under "supporting mods".

http://www.yourpicturehost.com/fp_green/horsepower.jpg
http://www.yourpicturehost.com/fp_green/torque.jpg
http://www.yourpicturehost.com/fp_green/boost.jpg

Cams=Better Spool.

Cams = better spool that is not the case with the green he may lose 200-300 rpm in spool with cams. Proper mivec tuning can get the green to spool pretty quick with cams you get more flow and mivec is less relevant towards getting spool. Look at hollywoodx results with his green with mx1's.

Wow the green seems to make some nice power down low...even though it spools slightly later it's still making more torque sooner than the stock turbo.

You have some serious boost taper though, stock WGA? Mine holds 25 psi all the way to 7600rpm... Haven't tried for more yet, but it does 25 np..

Green is good!

Nice.

Moved to Dyno section

You have some serious boost taper though, stock WGA? Mine holds 25 psi all the way to 7600rpm... Haven't tried for more yet, but it does 25 np..

Yeah, stock WGA - I think I was told no need to upgrade. I am somewhat a newb here. The boost is tapering because of the WGA? So an upgraded WGA would hold that guy up at 25psi or so?

That might be a nice cheap upgrade to try and then get it re-tuned. Any dyno plots I can compare to see this?

Yeah, stock WGA - I think I was told no need to upgrade. I am somewhat a newb here. The boost is tapering because of the WGA? So an upgraded WGA would hold that guy up at 25psi or so?

That might be a nice cheap upgrade to try and then get it re-tuned. Any dyno plots I can compare to see this?

Get a 3 port boost control solenoid (perrin or grimmspeed) and a blouch wga if you're gonna spend money on it... I just got the forced performance upgraded actuator that they offer and like I said it holds boost like a champ. Also as mentioned in this thread I think a set of cams would help you out a bit at this point too, go for some kelford or cosworth mx1.

I don't have any real dyno plots as I was all road tuned but I got virtual dyno sheets and logs if you wanna check'em out. I hit 25 psi by 3400 rpm and it holds all the way 7600+ rpm...

Nice, this is roughly on par with my numbers.

can't wait for my green results when I finally get everything else to support it.

Nice, daam I wanna get a green as well.

Get a 3 port boost control solenoid (perrin or grimmspeed) and a blouch wga if you're gonna spend money on it... I just got the forced performance upgraded actuator that they offer and like I said it holds boost like a champ. Also as mentioned in this thread I think a set of cams would help you out a bit at this point too, go for some kelford or cosworth mx1.

I don't have any real dyno plots as I was all road tuned but I got virtual dyno sheets and logs if you wanna check'em out. I hit 25 psi by 3400 rpm and it holds all the way 7600+ rpm...

Yeah, I guess for whatever reason HBSpeed said no on the 3-port and recommended a MBC, because I was originally all go on the 3-port. Never realized I needed the upgraded WGA; I would have done it had I. And then the next logical step is cams. I guess I just wasn't wanting to jump in to the whole cams thing just yet.

So I guess I will put the upgraded WGA and 3-port next on my list, and eventually schedule some time with AMS once I get settled in Chicago.

Nice, this is roughly on par with my numbers.

Just kicking myself for not addressing the boost taper per the above posts. Fun car though with the tune and the green. The install...well, it was fun once I got done with it. Still monitoring to make sure I don't have a coolant leak. People say I have white smoke coming out sometimes at WOT.

Do I need a re-tune with an upgraded WGA? I assume I would with a 3-port boost control solenoid. Just looking at how I can deal with the the boost taper and the true cost to fix it.

I think youll definitely wanna keep an eye on boost, you dont want it to spike.

congrats! what are your next plans?

congrats! what are your next plans?

1.) Well it appears I really need to hold more boost since it is tapering of to 21.5 and others say they are holding 25psi without issues, so a Baschur WGA would be a simple install. But who sells them? I can't find anyone online selling these things.

2.) I am thinking 3-port Perrin, but want to talk to AMS about this since they would be tuning it most likely. Jon @ HB Speed said they could talk to AMS and get me a deal on tuning, which would be nice.

3.) I told myself I wouldn't do cams...but...for the right price, if I am going to do the WGA and Perrin and have to tune that, I might as well throw in some cams (Kelfords I guess? Anything Stage 2 that makes good power).

4.) I am tempted to start tuning myself since I have the OpenECU, but not sure how much over my head I would be trying to do that.

I did a couple more 3rd gear logs yesterday and its wierd, sometimes I can hold 24 psi at redline, other times it will taper to 22.

Green ftw ;)

1.) Well it appears I really need to hold more boost since it is tapering of to 21.5 and others say they are holding 25psi without issues, so a Baschur WGA would be a simple install. But who sells them? I can't find anyone online selling these things.

2.) I am thinking 3-port Perrin, but want to talk to AMS about this since they would be tuning it most likely. Jon @ HB Speed said they could talk to AMS and get me a deal on tuning, which would be nice.

3.) I told myself I wouldn't do cams...but...for the right price, if I am going to do the WGA and Perrin and have to tune that, I might as well throw in some cams (Kelfords I guess? Anything Stage 2 that makes good power).

4.) I am tempted to start tuning myself since I have the OpenECU, but not sure how much over my head I would be trying to do that.

When it came to cams the choice for me was easy because I didn't want to spend ALOT on them and I didn't want to install new springs or up the rev limiter so the kelford 214a (stage 1) were perfect especially because my car is a daily driver. The only 3 different cams I would consider right now are the kelford stage 1 & 2 and the Cosworth MX1.

Re-tuning for a 3port installation is easy, you could learn how to do that in no time however tuning for cams I've heard is alot more complicated.

I did a couple more 3rd gear logs yesterday and its wierd, sometimes I can hold 24 psi at redline, other times it will taper to 22.

That is strange... You do pulls on the same road every time? No boost leaks?? What is your wgdc at 7000+ rpm??

When it came to cams the choice for me was easy because I didn't want to spend ALOT on them and I didn't want to install new springs or up the rev limiter so the kelford 214a (stage 1) were perfect especially because my car is a daily driver. The only 3 different cams I would consider right now are the kelford stage 1 & 2 and the Cosworth MX1.

Re-tuning for a 3port installation is easy, you could learn how to do that in no time however tuning for cams I've heard is alot more complicated.

1.) On the cams, Jon @ HB Speed said to at least go Stage 2 - any reason you chose stage 1 instead of stage 2? Was it purely drivability? Or would stage 2's require upgraded springs and retainers?

2.) So you think I could tune for a 3-port and a Blouch WGA on my own? I'm all for trying, that's why I wanted the OpenECU :-)


Also, here is my original dyno plot from HB Speed, just for more detail if anyone is interested:

http://www.yourpicturehost.com/fp_green/fp_green.jpg

would stage 2's require upgraded springs and retainers?

Yes, they do. The MX1s have shown good results without springs. Not sure if we should call them stage 1.5's or what.

Yes, kelford stage 2's require springs and are a fair amount more expensive because of this. MX1's you can do without springs and are a very good choice. I personally went with the 214a because of the sick deal I got on them and I didn't want to do springs.

Re-tuning for a WGA and 3 port should be no problem... Just take your time and do some research, you'll be fine. Plenty of people here to help you out with tons of knowledge.

Just for reference since it's on topic, here is my boost plot which Bryan @ GST so kindly made for a different thread. This plot is with grimmspeed 3 port and Upgraded FP 18psi actuator.

http://norcalmotorsports.org/users/bryan/mods/EVO/tech/HTAfpGreen_evo10_MR.gif

Yes, kelford stage 2's require springs and are a fair amount more expensive because of this. MX1's you can do without springs and are a very good choice. I personally went with the 214a because of the sick deal I got on them and I didn't want to do springs.

Re-tuning for a WGA and 3 port should be no problem... Just take your time and do some research, you'll be fine. Plenty of people here to help you out with tons of knowledge.

Just for reference since it's on topic, here is my boost plot which Bryan @ GST so kindly made for a different thread. This plot is with grimmspeed 3 port and Upgraded FP 18psi actuator.

Yeah - that graph makes me so jealous, haha. Okay, so I will keep an eye out for a nice deal on a 3-port and a Baschur WGA (I believe the Forge have some issues?).

What's considered a sick deal on the 214a? I'll have to look around for the MX1's and see some prices. I'll spend some time researching things - might get tempted to do Stage 2's, but I really hate to start messing with springs, etc., too dangerous and prone to issues.

Yeah - that graph makes me so jealous, haha. Okay, so I will keep an eye out for a nice deal on a 3-port and a Baschur WGA (I believe the Forge have some issues?).

What's considered a sick deal on the 214a? I'll have to look around for the MX1's and see some prices. I'll spend some time researching things - might get tempted to do Stage 2's, but I really hate to start messing with springs, etc., too dangerous and prone to issues.

Well, just PM MAPerformance for a "sick deal" and see for yourself :) they are who I buy everything through and have not let me down when it comes to pricing or customer service.

If you don't want to do spring but want max performance go for the mx1... if you just want a nice little addition to a dd check out the kelfords... mine idle nice and seem to do the job :)

Baschur WGA

It's the Blouch wga that everyone is going to.

Fyi
boost is NOT always more power

TRUST me i ran 26 psi on a red and 32 psi on the same car and Made NO extra power

Nice numbers and I like how this turbo still makes good power down low.

But just one question.. Aren't stock turbo Xs with just TBE, Intake, FMIC/UICP and a custom Cobb tune making 336-340hp on 93? (Cobb dyno database is my source). Seems like there is still is a lot of tuning to be done if you are only making another 40hp more than a stock turbo

http://surgeline.cobbtuning.com/dyno/index.php