whatever...I'm sure you "feel" it was the socially responsible thing to do, but it's totalitarian if you can't trust grown adults to make healthy decisions on their own accord.

Anybody who was following that thread

I'm at max dosage for me 100mg of S4 and I have not had any side effects, my body is transforming like crazy. I put on 14lbs in the passed two weeks and it all seems to be lean muscle. I've been eating protein like crazy and a lot of whole grains, some complex carbs but mostly whole grains and protein.

I'm like on day-7 of S4 but I'm taking a break today, I am tired as hayell and I need rest. Back is feeling good, almost done with my first clenbuterol cycle, I got like two doses left and then it's S4 'til I'm finished and then resume my next Clenbuterol cycle.

Go ahead and censor this too, antijournalism chimp!!

I found it

This drug you are using which is a drug is not approved by the FDA one. It is a steroid which requires a prescription 2, but you can't get a script here in the US so not legal. It's ban from every type of athletics. You won't know the side effects until it's to late myocardial hypertrophy. We do not allow street racing cause it's not legal this falls in the same category. Using a drug outside it's intended use or being part of a study is indeed illegal. I can tell you that you are ignorant for taking a steroid for the reasons you are, but it is you body and you will see the consequences I promise.

I'm at max dosage for me 100mg of S4 and I have not had any side effects, my body is transforming like crazy. I put on 14lbs in the passed two weeks and it all seems to be lean muscle. !!


If it does this to body muscle think about what it's doing to your heart muscle. It's not selective. Another adverse effect is it decreases diaphragm musclulature so not only is you heart needing more oxygen you delivering less cause your major muscle that provides O2 is weeker.

I notice you are in Houston, Texas. You didnt happen to have to drive across that stupid border that costs us billions annually to get this stuff did you?

I notice you are in Houston, Texas. You didnt happen to have to drive across that stupid border that costs us billions annually to get this stuff did you?
its easier to get online, shipped right to you. There are tons of stuff out there that is 10x worse than what he's taking.

Yeah, i see some form of cardiomyopathy in this guys future, plus smaller testes....if he even has any.

I would def take sandmans advice in not taking it; seeing how he is trained in the medical field and all. I know I wouldn't want any of that crap in my body, just my 2 cents though.

I could give an enormous lecture on every system that is effected by this and how, but I have a feeling it would just fall on deaf ears cause a lot of young males have a complex just like this guy that non of these side effects that happen in studies, done by people way smarter than me, say will happen. Same kinda person that says that a pitbull is a lap dag that brings the little girl in next door that got mangled and had to have facial reconstruction. All I can say is "HERE'S YOUR SIGN!"

screw roids, do it naturally.

yeah do it naturally.

I can just imagine this guy, "DUDE! I'M FUCKING RIPPED! SURE, COLLAGEN IS SLOWLY STIFFENING MY HEART UNTIL I DIE, BUT LOOK AT THIS BICEPS! RAAAAAAAUGH!"

Seriously, as an athlete and coach, I've yet to see people who take steroids and creatine ever do anything great. In fact, it's their lack of confidence in their own will that slows them down as athletes, not their bodies. Whichever mod deleted that thread, I applaud you, because I was looking at it yesterday and I was going to post essentially what Sandman has said after work today.

A SARM only targets certain receptors hence the name SARM (selective androgen receptor modulator). No danger to the prostate or heart muscle. This is in theory only of course and as the drug is still only in the experimental stages it is not fully refined. IMHO still much safer than injectable steroids. Even though test is best. For those of you insinuating enlarged heart and small testes maybe you should do your research first.

A SARM only targets certain receptors hence the name SARM (selective androgen receptor modulator). No danger to the prostate or heart muscle. This is in theory only of course and as the drug is still only in the experimental stages it is not fully refined. IMHO still much safer than injectable steroids. Even though test is best. For those of you insinuating enlarged heart and small testes maybe you should do your research first.

I did my research.

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0176.htm

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/articles-submit/dana-schneider/clenbuterol-weight-loss.html

http://www.anabolicsmall.com/clenbuterol.html

That's only a small number of sources using Google. Give me Lexus Nexus, JSTOR, or any other professional search engine and I can find even more. Let's see your research, now.

I did my research.

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0176.htm

http://www.bodybuildingforyou.com/articles-submit/dana-schneider/clenbuterol-weight-loss.html

http://www.anabolicsmall.com/clenbuterol.html

That's only a small number of sources using Google. Give me Lexus Nexus, JSTOR, or any other professional search engine and I can find even more. Let's see your research, now.

First of all clen is not a SARM. Second I was not even talking about clen. Third clen is used for weight loss not muscle building. Way to do your research. Try this if you can read.
http://molinterv.aspetjournals.org/content/5/3/173.full?maxtoshow=&HITS=&hits=&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=Ostarine&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

whatever...I'm sure you "feel" it was the socially responsible thing to do, but it's totalitarian if you can't trust grown adults to make healthy decisions on their own accord.

Anybody who was following that thread

I'm at max dosage for me 100mg of S4 and I have not had any side effects, my body is transforming like crazy. I put on 14lbs in the passed two weeks and it all seems to be lean muscle. I've been eating protein like crazy and a lot of whole grains, some complex carbs but mostly whole grains and protein.

I'm like on day-7 of S4 but I'm taking a break today, I am tired as hayell and I need rest. Back is feeling good, almost done with my first clenbuterol cycle, I got like two doses left and then it's S4 'til I'm finished and then resume my next Clenbuterol cycle.

Go ahead and censor this too, antijournalism chimp!!


First off, he was taking clenbuterol, which I addressed.

A SARM only targets certain receptors hence the name SARM (selective androgen receptor modulator). No danger to the prostate or heart muscle. This is in theory only of course and as the drug is still only in the experimental stages it is not fully refined. IMHO still much safer than injectable steroids. Even though test is best. For those of you insinuating enlarged heart and small testes maybe you should do your research first.

You just started spouting off random info about SARMs, which none of us spoke about in the first place. But then you begin talking about our supposed lack of research (which I find funny since an actual doctor has posted about the dangers of these "supplements") when you didn't even understand our posts.

First of all clen is not a SARM. Second I was not even talking about clen. Third clen is used for weight loss not muscle building. Way to do your research. Try this if you can read.
http://molinterv.aspetjournals.org/content/5/3/173.full?maxtoshow=&HITS=&hits=&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=Ostarine&andorexactfulltext=and&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT


As for this post, you still have not told us whether you are addressing the S4 "supplement" or not. You may question my ability to read (laughable), but I question your ability to communicate an idea to a group of people.

Whether S4 is safe or not doesn't matter to me. Clenbuterol is obviously not, which gave the mods more than enough reason to delete a thread. As for petty insults, well, I'm not going to lower myself to that level.

First off, he was taking clenbuterol, which I addressed.



You just started spouting off random info about SARMs, which none of us spoke about in the first place. But then you begin talking about our supposed lack of research (which I find funny since an actual doctor has posted about the dangers of these "supplements") when you didn't even understand our posts.




As for this post, you still have not told us whether you are addressing the S4 "supplement" or not. You may question my ability to read (laughable), but I question your ability to communicate an idea to a group of people.

Whether S4 is safe or not doesn't matter to me. Clenbuterol is obviously not, which gave the mods more than enough reason to delete a thread. As for petty insults, well, I'm not going to lower myself to that level.

Contagius is right about all of this, this drug promotes anabolism without testosterone synthesis.

If you idiots were as educated as you like to proclaim, you would recognize that anabolism is just about growth. This SARM merely enhances the growth that would naturally result as it is. So I do the same workout but get greater results WITHOUT tampering with hormonal balance. And last time I checked, the heart isn't necessarily subject to anabolism/catabolism in the same ways like other muscles in the body.

I was in great shape before, like I said...I wanted to take my performance levels higher. My results could be from a regimented diet and harder training in the gym, but I can't attribute it to that alone since I'm also using the S4. Clenbuterol is just an oral thermogenic that has secondary properties that maintain protein synthesis in the muscles which is why steroid users like it, it maintains results after a steroid cycle is completed. And natural is subjective, testosterone is natural... Some genetics are better than others.

There are tons of products at GNC that aren't FDA approved, 'cause companies come out with the stuff faster than the FDA can screen it via its processes. So arguing that something is not FDA approved is 7-days A WEAK!!! In other words, you're irrelevant. Governator took steroids responsibly and look at him, he's still alive and kickin'. So much for your enlarged heart theory.

Some people here are into fitness and some people use supplements to enhance their gains/performance levels. Let it go, it's a free country, and not everybody has to adopt your value system. Including, what I assume is a sedentary lifestyle for you. If this is a health/lifestyle forum, why would you take it upon yourself to selectively decide what is or isn't relevant?! Just 'cause you don't approve, it shouldn't be here? Wow, that sounds mildly like a nazi socialist party. Why don'tchu tear down your East German 1988 calendar and join the rest of the free world, blondy?!

I like how people feel invited to solicit their opinion in subject matter in which they clearly have no approval or interest; if you're not into supplements why the hell would you even bother reading this thread? Get a job or a hobby, you lames!!

Feel free to leave your estrogen at the door, pussies!! If you're content getting your workout by playing wii sports, that's your choice... You make me laugh, i bet you worked up a sweat typing your furiously judgmental posts.

As for the "coach" who hasn't seen benefits of such supplement usage, it's because anybody who benefitted by it prolly went onto greater things than that peewee league you use to meet divorcees and single moms who've seen more baggage than a TSA agent.

:jpopcorn::scsb:

Wow I did not think MEAT heads could you such great grammer... Props!

Who want's to arm wrestle! Come on let arm wrestle!!! WOOOOO!!! YEAH!!! Want to fight, yeah!!! WOOOO!!! You want to arm wrestle!!!

lol sorry....

So many guys in here are misinformed about Steroids in general, you can take then and be fine the rest of your life if you watch what your doing and take the correct PCT.

So many guys in here are misinformed about Steroids in general, you can take then and be fine the rest of your life if you watch what your doing and take the correct PCT.

dude, you won't convince these people...they're too content to accept the cards their dealt. Some people don't accept mediocre and do what they must to take control of their destiny. I think these are the types that'd rather subscribe to the alarmist approach that EVERYTHING is bad for you. So they live in a damn bubble and miss out on everything. It's a well known maxim that with "Nothing ventured...nothing is gained". So you keep on playing it safe, people. Knoock yourselves out...oh wait, that might require you to get off your couch. They prolly lead sedentary lifestyles so they knock supplement usage or even any interest in active lifestyles because it reminds them of how lazy they are. Word up to your bed sores and that body impression in the couch...

As for this stuff being bad for you??? Dude, EVERYTHING without moderation is unhealthy for a human being.


guy1: hey, I didn't know your couch had memory foam?!
guy2: it doesn't...I'm just lazy

guy1: what do you call freeloading off your mom, watching cartoon network all night, drinking chocolate milk, and eating cheetos in your mom's moomoo?!
guy2: LIVING!!!


hahahaha

these fuckers...I know they got their silly impressions of me, cue the "arm wrestle" and "roid rage" jokes, but damn. If they knew anything about this, they'd recognize they couldn't be more wrong.

Again, people have pointed to research articles written by opponents, you could find just as many that are written by proponents. A good article will delineate the benefits as well as the drawbacks. Do the math...think for yourself, junior!! Let people live, it shows how small you are when you try to make everybody like you instead of accepting/appreciating others differences. Variety is the spice of life and clearly you're hooked on bland. more power to you...I bet you've never left your town, maybe village? Trailer park?! Gypsy caraband--how the hell do you get online?!

Gentlemen,
The mods deleted the thread in question at their discretion since I was personally unavailable to make the judgement call. The substances in question are at minimum debatably illegal, so they played it safe and soft deleted it until I got a chance to review the thread.

Since they were unsure of what to do, they made a good call for the situation at hand, so please don't berate them for that. I closely reviewed the thread myself and reopened it. If things can be kept under control, I'll try to keep it open for you.

That aside, essentially publicly calling the staff nazis for locking down that thread is not the best way to go about things. You're not always going to see eye to eye with the staff, but at minimum you must remain respectful to them. After all, they work hard behind the scenes to keep this place running.

Let's not continue to fight over what happened to that thread. Let's move on.