There's been some talk between owners of upgrading the stock brakes to either a BBK or higher friction pads. Both owners and some Japanese tuners have reported wheel lock-up and poor performance after upgrading their brakes as it interferes with SAWC.

It seems like the SAWC ECU does not adjust to the degree at which it operates, even though it inherently adjusts to variations in yaw. So whatever it senses it will give the same degree of brake pressure not taking in account of how much is actually applied.

That means the SAWC ECU will have to be tuned for BBK's or aftermarket pads, and right now it's best to stay with the stock setup. Anyone with more knowledge or articles on this topic please post.

What about upgrading the disks to a two piece light weight dimpled or slotted disk?........ I don’t think it would have much effect on the brakes other than dissipate the brake dust and cool the brakes better. what is everyone else opinion on it

What are peoples thoughts on brake upgrades? Would the evo really need upgrading unless it is predominantly for track work?

One easy GSR upgrade would be to grab the 2 peice Bremo brakes (which are lighter) found in the MR.


That means the SAWC ECU will have to be tuned for BBK's or aftermarket pads, and right now it's best to stay with the stock setup. Anyone with more knowledge or articles on this topic please post

I raised this question about having to tune an aftermarket brake set a couple of months ago, I think the consensus then was it didnt need 'tuning'.. I'd be inclined to stay with the stock brakes till we know more.. but as I said.. best upgrade would be to just get the lighter peices from the MR for your GSR (if you have a GSR)..

Stock brakes for me do the trick without the need to upgrade, fortunately also I have the MR brake setup.

What are peoples thoughts on brake upgrades? Would the evo really need upgrading unless it is predominantly for track work?

One easy GSR upgrade would be to grab the 2 peice Bremo brakes (which are lighter) found in the MR.



I raised this question about having to tune an aftermarket brake set a couple of months ago, I think the consensus then was it didnt need 'tuning'.. I'd be inclined to stay with the stock brakes till we know more.. but as I said.. best upgrade would be to just get the lighter peices from the MR for your GSR (if you have a GSR)..

Stock brakes for me do the trick without the need to upgrade, fortunately also I have the MR brake setup.

From what I have read from the other site, Evo X with the extra power was fine with the stock brakes, on the track. They held up pretty well and they think that the brakes need not to be upgrade.

Old thread, but this topic has to be a myth, right?

We need to know if SAYC is a qualitative system. That would explain if the theory is myth or not. In other words, does SAWC adjust brake pressure in a spectrum or a bunch of 1, 0, 1, 0's depending on yaw moment and speed.

if you are on the race track, you should disable the S-AWC anyway. I'm not worry.

I'm getting rid of these piece of shit brake pads from Brembo when I get the chance. They perform well enough but the squeaking is embarrassing and pathetic on a well known high brand brake system and the brake dust is...well I am surprised my city doesn't get covered in it every time I brake. I was hoping for some Hawk brake pads, I never knew such problems existed with switching pads damn it. Not to mention brembo stock stuff at the dealer is uber over priced, wtf, lose lose situation here.

if you are on the race track, you should disable the S-AWC anyway. I'm not worry.

You can't, this has been already mentioned. You can disable brake assist, traction, and skid control. You CAN NOT disable the SAWC system itself.

You can't, this has been already mentioned. You can disable brake assist, traction, and skid control. You CAN NOT disable the SAWC system itself.

Correct.

S-AWC is the whole new super all wheel controll system packige .... That is a name for it.
What you can't turn off , that is the S-AYC . which is you shouldn't do anyway.

When you shut off the break assist etc , then you are partially turn off the S-AWC. What is left is the S-AYC. / super - active - yaw -control /
The S-AWC is the following controls together:
- AWD
- ASS / it is not an ass :) this is the Active Steering System/
- ACD
- AYC
- ASC
- ABS

now when you disconnect one of them at least , that is not an S-AWC system anymore. Since some system is not working anymore. But if you hold down the button over 3 sec , then basically you delete all the add ons for the S-AYC . So you can refer it not an S-AWC anymore , instead as a S-AYC.
:shades:

more to learn is here :
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/corporate/about_us/technology/review/e/pdf/2006/18e_03.pdf

S-AWC is the whole new super all wheel controll system packige .... That is a name for it.
What you can't turn off , that is the S-AYC . which is you shouldn't do anyway.

When you shut off the break assist etc , then you are partially turn off the S-AWC. What is left is the S-AYC. / super - active - yaw -control /
The S-AWC is the following controls together:
- AWD
- ASS / it is not an ass :) this is the Active Steering System/
- ACD
- AYC
- ASC
- ABS

now when you disconnect one of them at least , that is not an S-AWC system anymore. Since some system is not working anymore. But if you hold down the button over 3 sec , then basically you delete all the add ons for the S-AYC . So you can refer it not an S-AWC anymore , instead as a S-AYC.
:shades:

more to learn is here :
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/cor...006/18e_03.pdf (http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/corporate/about_us/technology/review/e/pdf/2006/18e_03.pdf)

:+1: I think a lot of people are getting all these acronyms confused.

The Active Center Differential and Active Yaw Control can not be disabled. Only the stability controls can be. As Rob states, the moment one is defeated, Super All Wheel Control is no longer active.

:+1: I think a lot of people are getting all these acronyms confused.

The Active Center Differential and Active Yaw Control can not be disabled. Only the stability controls can be. As Rob states, the moment one is defeated, Super All Wheel Control is no longer active.


thanks John.
but i had to fix my post , to try to make it more understandable. Sorry for the fix. My bad, and my poor english ... :mad:

The Active Center Differential and Active Yaw Control can not be disabled. Not entirely true. Grab some parking brake and the ACD immediately goes free-wheeling. It has to or the engine would burn it up post haste.

:+1:

But you know what I was talking about, LOL

I don't think any of us drive around with the parking brake on. Actually I don't think I have pulled a single handbrake turn yet! God damn, I have a new goal for today. Haha

Not entirely true. Grab some parking brake and the ACD immediately goes free-wheeling. It has to or the engine would burn it up post haste.

it does because you would damage the ACD, not the engine.
Besides when you do an e-break turn if you disconnect the rear, the break will be more responsive and more effective . at the same time the front wheels are still in full power and control.
They did that because in the rally the e-break is very much in use. So prevent the ACD from damages.

well if you want to get into specifics ;).. Good info Rob.

it does because you would damage the ACD, not the engine.
Besides when you do an e-break turn if you disconnect the rear, the break will be more responsive and more effective . at the same time the front wheels are still in full power and control.
They did that because in the rally the e-break is very much in use. So prevent the ACD from damages.

Heh cool, learn something new everyday about my car. :thumbup:

i hope i can help.

So guys anyone put aftermarket brake pads on yet in the US??? I hate the brake dust b/c my color is WW and I gotta wash the car every other day b/c of the dust.

So guys anyone put aftermarket brake pads on yet in the US??? I hate the brake dust b/c my color is WW and I gotta wash the car every other day b/c of the dust.
tell me about it.. :godance:

I even have a white rims...:computermad: