Has anyone made the switch from the 5mt GSR to a SST MR? I bought the GSR not really knowing if I would want the SST paddle shifters after having mostly manual transmission cars my whole life. Then when I heard that the SST couldn't take modding then it was a for sure thing that I needed the GSR. But now I see SST cars can make 500whp+, which is more than I plan on making. It makes me think maybe I want to give the MR a chance now. I shift so slow (everyone does if you think about it) and it would be cool to be able to shift faster (or not have to at all). Getting in the right gear in a competition makes all the difference in the world from what I have experienced. I was in awe when I raced my friend on his bike by how quick he was able to shift. As soon as I had to shift, it was over. Not that being able to shift my evo faster will allow me to take down crotch rockets but just being able to shift faster overall and being in the right gear is appealing to me. Just looking to see if anyone has made this switch or thought about making the switch and what their thoughts are on the difference

Has anyone made the switch from the 5mt GSR to a SST MR? I bought the GSR not really knowing if I would want the SST paddle shifters after having mostly manual transmission cars my whole life. Then when I heard that the SST couldn't take modding then it was a for sure thing that I needed the GSR. But now I see SST cars can make 500whp+, which is more than I plan on making. It makes me think maybe I want to give the MR a chance now. I shift so slow (everyone does if you think about it) and it would be cool to be able to shift faster (or not have to at all). Getting in the right gear in a competition makes all the difference in the world from what I have experienced. I was in awe when I raced my friend on his bike by how quick he was able to shift. As soon as I had to shift, it was over. Not that being able to shift my evo faster will allow me to take down crotch rockets but just being able to shift faster overall and being in the right gear is appealing to me. Just looking to see if anyone has made this switch or thought about making the switch and what their thoughts are on the difference

SST also holds boost between shifts which is a huge advantage. :)

http://norcalmotorsports.org/users/bryan/mods/EVO/tech/evo10/sst_boost_plot_2nd_to_5th.gif

I own a RA with SST. I also own a 05 Evo MR that has had two 6 spds and now has a 5 spd.

SST is great for the reasons you spoke of. You will miss the feeling of being 100% connected to the car coming from a manual, but the SST is so versatile and really is a very cool trans.

- Bryan

i had a gsr for about a year and a half. i traded it in on a mr back in october 09'.

i have modded my mr alot, fp green w/full boltons on e85.

the sst is great but it was a pia getting someone to tune the sst correctly.

if your positive 450whp is good enough for you and have the money to beef up your sst i would say go for it.

i'm thinking of trading my mr back in on another gsr, i want more power. i'll trade you cars.

SST is much easier to live with specially if you communite alot. I like the GSR, but in heavy traffic driving for a couple hours I wish I had the SST.

I originally didnt want an MR because I like shifting and being more in tuned with the car like Bryan said. But once I test drove one, and now owning it for almost a year, Im really glad I got one. The shifting under high loads is awesome (in sport/s-sport at least) and like everyone else said, its a whole lot nicer in traffic. Although it does get weird and confused sometimes rolling up to stops. But Im in manual mode 95% of the time and its really the best of both worlds. Its controlling the car like a traditional manual, but way more foul proof and alot faster. From a stop, you can just mash the accelerator, and bang out through the gears like youve never thought you could. I love it. Plus the automated rev matching when downshifting is tits :rock:

Hope that helps.

SST also holds boost between shifts which is a huge advantage.
- Bryan

Bryan,

Is this only when the SST is tuned or inherent when stock?

I want too. Hate driving my GSR in traffic, 2008 model bought in June 2009 and has 14,000km = 8,500mi for anyone that wants to trade?

NEWB

bryan da man . . .

OP - No, nobody had "converted" their 5speed GSR to an SST. It would be MUCH, MUCH cheaper to sell your GSR and then buy an MR.

OP - No, nobody had "converted" their 5speed GSR to an SST. It would be MUCH, MUCH cheaper to sell your GSR and then buy an MR.
No, that's not what I was asking. I meant selling the GSR and buying an MR

No, that's not what I was asking. I meant selling the GSR and buying an MR

I've been contemplating doing it for a while now. I guess I'll soon squeeze the trigger. It's only :$::$::$:

good for you, almost everyone who changes does the opposite

Thanks for the replies so far guys. What did you have to do to "beef up" your SST to handle the mods? Clutch pack, fluids, and re-tune? I'm trying to figure out what I would have to do to daily drive on it with ~350awhp/tq. My friends think I'm crazy to sell an evo to buy another evo but I honestly can't think of any other car that I would want. Maybe 335xi (yes I need awd in buffalo!) but I think I would miss out on a lot of the fun that I get to have driving the evo.

Another question: how is the SST on the highway? I absolutely hate cruising at ~75mph and having the car up around 3500rpms in the 5sp. It's very annoying. That's the only thing I liked better about my STi was the 6sp.

I want too. Hate driving my GSR in traffic, 2008 model bought in June 2009 and has 14,000km = 8,500mi for anyone that wants to trade?

NEWB

Hey man you pay for the shipping and we can trade:D

I would swap my MR for a GSR any day of the week. I am very serious if anyone is also.

Well hey, if anyone wants to trade me their MR for my GSR straight up I'm definitely up for it! I have a 2008 GG w/ SSS and 34k miles. Lez do eet! :)

SST is much easier to live with specially if you communite alot. I like the GSR, but in heavy traffic driving for a couple hours I wish I had the SST.
True story
SST also holds boost between shifts which is a huge advantage. :)

http://norcalmotorsports.org/users/bryan/mods/EVO/tech/evo10/sst_boost_plot_2nd_to_5th.gif

I own a RA with SST. I also own a 05 Evo MR that has had two 6 spds and now has a 5 spd.

SST is great for the reasons you spoke of. You will miss the feeling of being 100% connected to the car coming from a manual, but the SST is so versatile and really is a very cool trans.

- Bryan
I love the SST. The GSR is a great car, but I love the SST for its performance, and great tech. And with upgraded clutch packs available from SSP for up to 500 whp, it is easily one of the best (if not THE best as Road and Track named it) dual clutch transmissions out there. Great technology and peroformance, especially for the price.

To the OP: Call SSP about what would be involved for the switch if you are serious, or it might be cheaper to sell it or trade one in. Good luck and keep us posted!:shades:

If you're even considering selling/trading your GSR to get an MR that says a lot. Basically you're willing to give up shifting (unless you want to). Not that it's a bad thing...I'm considering an MR just so my gf can drive it too...but I just can't do it. I gotta go stick personally.

I would check with a local dealer and tell them you're after an MR. Maybe you can trade-in for a used one they have in stock for only a few $k. But it's gonna cost you no matter what you can work out. But it sounds like you want the MR so I say go for it. Follow your heart.

I like my MR. That being said, there are a few things that I have issue with.
1. The inability as of yet to launch larger turbo cars. This will get sorted out, but until then, its going to bug me.

2. The random failures of the SST (TCU) that seem unrelated to mod levels.

3. Mitsubishi's lack of parts support for the $9k transmission. You can't even buy a pan gasket, let alone a gear or bearing.

4. Mitsubishi's relentless effort to avoid warranty claims on the engine and power train of the evo, forcing MR owners to avoid the dealership at all cost in anything but a bone stock car. (I know there are exceptions, but not many). This coupled with item 2 makes modding an MR a calculated risk with potentially huge costs.

Well hey, if anyone wants to trade me their MR for my GSR straight up I'm definitely up for it! I have a 2008 GG w/ SSS and 34k miles. Lez do eet! :)

If there was a way to trade a financed car I would give it some hard thought... :waiting:

If you're even considering selling/trading your GSR to get an MR that says a lot. Basically you're willing to give up shifting.
Not looking to give up shifting, looking to shift faster than is humanly possible actually. I see it as a performance advantage

If there was a way to trade a financed car I would give it some hard thought... :waiting:
I don't see why you couldn't. Take out a loan on my car and I'll take out a loan on your car and we pay off each others loans with the bank money
:dancebanana:

id be down for a trade too...i have a 2010 gsr

I love my SST. Was hard initially going from a six speed 350z transmission to a non manual shift transmission. However, I commute allot. And when driving up in the hills and canyons, all I have to do is focus on where I'm going and not shifting. Seriously, the SST in sport or supersport mode is sooo smooth. No misshifts.

id be down for a trade too...i have a 2010 gsr

Hum, this temps me. I have an MR with roughly the same build as your GSR. :drive:

I drive a 08 SST too. Mild mods and mild driving manner. However, on a drag, leaving the SST on full auto and in S-Sports mode, you are really a very fast little rocket. On a track, some may feel that they want more control of the shifts and so may decide to change gears "manually" or you can just leave it to the ECU to decide when and where to change. It is indeed a beautiful piece of work.

I like my MR. That being said, there are a few things that I have issue with.
1. The inability as of yet to launch larger turbo cars. This will get sorted out, but until then, its going to bug me.

2. The random failures of the SST (TCU) that seem unrelated to mod levels.

3. Mitsubishi's lack of parts support for the $9k transmission. You can't even buy a pan gasket, let alone a gear or bearing.

4. Mitsubishi's relentless effort to avoid warranty claims on the engine and power train of the evo, forcing MR owners to avoid the dealership at all cost in anything but a bone stock car. (I know there are exceptions, but not many). This coupled with item 2 makes modding an MR a calculated risk with potentially huge costs.

Jeremy from SSP has offered fully built SST trannies for $4k. The $9k number is highly inflated.

I have driven both cars, I find both to be really fun, I think I can live with either or.

Hum, this temps me. I have an MR with roughly the same build as your GSR. :drive:

yeah, keep me posted. what color?

Jeremy from SSP has offered fully built SST trannies for $4k. The $9k number is highly inflated. That $4K is to build YOUR SST box, or with exchange of a good core.

The $9K is to get a new box to be built. So a new, built box outright (with no core) is closer to $13K.

That $4K is to build YOUR SST box, or with exchange of a good core.

The $9K is to get a new box to be built. So a new, built box outright (with no core) is closer to $13K.

That isn't what he said. I was talking about having a completely dead SST, he said he could replace it for 4k. /shrug maybe miscommunication.

SST also holds boost between shifts which is a huge advantage. :)

- Bryan

that being said, I cant hear my BOV every time I shift! :) still love it though!

That $4K is to build YOUR SST box, or with exchange of a good core.

The $9K is to get a new box to be built. So a new, built box outright (with no core) is closer to $13K.

I can get you a complete long block, and trans for under 13k....with low miles. :D

That isn't what he said. I was talking about having a completely dead SST, he said he could replace it for 4k. /shrug maybe miscommunication.

I got mine replaced at 4K miles. it was acting weird. mitsu replaced it for a new one under warranty and I saw the bill. $10k+

That's from mitsu though. And also includes installation.

I can get you a complete long block, and trans for under 13k....with low miles. :D

Jeremy, was I wrong? How much would a new built tranny cost from you? (about)

That's from mitsu though.

wouldnt they charge themselves the cheapest price? or the price the dealer charges the corporation is the same they charge us?

Who knows with mitsu and getrag. Something is definitely weird with the whole deal. Still no serviceable parts?

Also, warranty work, they still put the full price.

Jeremy, was I wrong? How much would a new built tranny cost from you? (about)


Depends on what you go with. We have lots of upgraded parts that you don't necessarily have to get if you're just looking to do a trans swap.

Here's the breakdown:

$3200 oem trans with core (we can work something out on the GSR core)

SSP Upgrades:

$549 for SSP Internal viton seal kit
$600 for Pro red trans fluid
$249 for SSP Light weight flywheel
$799 for SSP Deep pan with dipstick
$950 for SSP Front mount trans cooler
$1300 for 400hp clutches/steels
-1400 for 500hp clutches/steels
-1500 for 600hp clutches/steels

*edit* oops didn't mean to bump this! haha

I might as well weigh in, I've tracked my GSR for 3 years plus daily driving 50k miles total. After the freak engine fire took out the car, I decided that rebuilding what was left would be silly since then I would have a salvage title car and you never know if everything will be 100% reliable. I really really liked my GTX30 combo I had before, and it reall was the perfect street Evo X in my mind.

When it came time for replacement it took me several days to decide on a 2011 MR and so far I'm really liking the new setup. Basically in manual mode I can do everything that I could before plus boost holds between shifts. I only leave it in Normal Drive mode probably 10% of the time since I don't like how it desperately tries to shift to 6th and cruise at 2000 rpm.

Mileage isn't so hot, maybe 18 MPG city and 23-24 highway but with efficiency mods I think I can improve on that. On the speed side the car will only get faster since already it ran 12.6 @ 109 with a K&N filter, FMIC, and tune. For daily driving it is better in traffic, lower RPM's on the highway, and overall more fun to drive.

After some tweaks to the tune, the car responds super quick coming off the line and even the mechanic at the local Mitsu dealer remarked on how responsive it was when he was diagnosing a CV joint issue. With beefed up SST parts this car is going to be an absolute blast next year, I really can't wait. I'll know more after tracking it with the stock turbo in October, the car will go under the knife for a bumper to bumper upgrade in December. :shades:

I might as well weigh in, I've tracked my GSR for 3 years plus daily driving 50k miles total. After the freak engine fire took out the car, I decided that rebuilding what was left would be silly since then I would have a salvage title car and you never know if everything will be 100% reliable. I really really liked my GTX30 combo I had before, and it reall was the perfect street Evo X in my mind.

When it came time for replacement it took me several days to decide on a 2011 MR and so far I'm really liking the new setup. Basically in manual mode I can do everything that I could before plus boost holds between shifts. I only leave it in Normal Drive mode probably 10% of the time since I don't like how it desperately tries to shift to 6th and cruise at 2000 rpm.

Mileage isn't so hot, maybe 18 MPG city and 23-24 highway but with efficiency mods I think I can improve on that. On the speed side the car will only get faster since already it ran 12.6 @ 109 with a K&N filter, FMIC, and tune. For daily driving it is better in traffic, lower RPM's on the highway, and overall more fun to drive.

After some tweaks to the tune, the car responds super quick coming off the line and even the mechanic at the local Mitsu dealer remarked on how responsive it was when he was diagnosing a CV joint issue. With beefed up SST parts this car is going to be an absolute blast next year, I really can't wait. I'll know more after tracking it with the stock turbo in October, the car will go under the knife for a bumper to bumper upgrade in December. :shades:

Funny, I sold my SST after 1 year to get the GSR.... missed shifting myself too much (maybe I am old school). Yes the SST was great but I think it comes down to personal choice... for me a SST is in the end nothing more than a better Automatic.
Siyah

I love the idea of tracking an MR but I've heard way too many horror stories. Jeremy's probably the only one I've seen with success on that ticking time bomb. Knowing my luck, my SST would've came with a very short fuse and a whole slew of Mitsubishi employees just waiting to show me a giant bill they refuse to pay.

While I envy the MR guys' awesome transmission made of glass, I'm glad I have my 5spd.

I think much depends on how you drive the car as well, you have to expect problems if you are consantly drag strip launching everywhere you go, where as road course racing might be ok assuming you keep fluid temps in check.

From the factory the MR bogs off the line then takes off at 5000+ which might seem "safer" but it means people are pinning the throttle to get moving and the shock just hits higher up in the RPM range when power suddenly kicks in. Whenever you go WOT from a stop on the stock tune it revs the engine first then moves forward once the car reaches 2500-3000... that is great if you are timing from a stop but in the meantime every other car has already started moving in traffic for 1-2 seconds and then you leap forward.

With carefull tweaks I think I have my MR coming off the line much more responsively up to 3500, with reduced boost from 3500-5500 (20-22 psi), and then unrestricted 5500+. Compared to stock the car seems faster at 50% throttle since the power is more progressive so I don't need to mash it everywhere I go. :)

I love the idea of tracking an MR but I've heard way too many horror stories. Jeremy's probably the only one I've seen with success on that ticking time bomb. Knowing my luck, my SST would've came with a very short fuse and a whole slew of Mitsubishi employees just waiting to show me a giant bill they refuse to pay.

While I envy the MR guys' awesome transmission made of glass, I'm glad I have my 5spd.

I think This pretty much sums up how I feel as well. I would love to have the MR to track and auto x. However, at this financial point in my life I couldn't have a $9k liability looming ahead. Also, as this is my DD, aside from heavy traffic, having the gsr allows for more driver interaction/feelings toward it.

Wait! OEM SST Tranny is only 3200? Where the hell does the 9K number come from?

Wait! OEM SST Tranny is only 3200? Where the hell does the 9K number come from?

Labor to remove and install plus an uncomfortable chair they try to bend you over in the waiting room. :(

I love the SST but mitsu has to get that 9k down to 4k, I'm thinking of going GSR and turbo upgrade.

I love the SST but mitsu has to get that 9k down to 4k, I'm thinking of going GSR and turbo upgrade.
get 8 or 9 and go all out

I love my SST. Was hard initially going from a six speed 350z transmission to a non manual shift transmission. However, I commute allot. And when driving up in the hills and canyons, all I have to do is focus on where I'm going and not shifting. Seriously, the SST in sport or supersport mode is sooo smooth. No misshifts.

fully agree. The main advantage is not that you don't have to shift because you don't like to, but well that you don't have to shift and so you can concentrate on the road, brakes, accelerator and driving wheel. Sport mode is great, S-Sport mode is really incredible.

The only thing I would like is to be able to increase rpm when starting to move (as it is possible with an audi-vw-porsche system).

There are ways to have higher revs, like for a special "race only" tune you could set idle for 2k or something silly. I can only imagine how jumpy that would be off the line.

id be down for a trade too...i have a 2010 gsr

Your sig says you have an SE.....

I like the SST. No basis for comparison, though, since I've never driven a GSR. Shift times for me are a TAD slow in Sport/Manual until the car is COMPLETELY warmed up. Same for SSport. If I'm doing alot of driving I'll go with SSport since once the tranny is fully warmed up SSport is LIGHTNING quick. Just going to work I just leave it in Normal/Auto.

Only thing that I DON'T like is not being able to use cruise in Sport or SSport and not being able to go into SSport on the fly.

Only thing that I DON'T like is not being able to use cruise in Sport or SSport and not being able to go into SSport on the fly.
Has anyone tested if changing the ECU Options #3 (bit14) that toggles cruise on/off makes a difference? Mine is set 0 from the factory and I only get cruise in Normal, perhaps that would allow cruise in all mode if I set to 1? It's worth a test I guess. :)

Has anyone tested if changing the ECU Options #3 (bit14) that toggles cruise on/off makes a difference? Mine is set 0 from the factory and I only get cruise in Normal, perhaps that would allow cruise in all mode if I set to 1? It's worth a test I guess. :)

On 2010+, 0 is cruise ability on. 1 is cruise ability off. On RA/MR/GSR

On 2010+, 0 is cruise ability on. 1 is cruise ability off. On RA/MR/GSR

that explains my confusion back on my RA. when I was looking through the ROM, I found it at value 0 - yet my cruise control worked. you would think 0 = off, 1 = on :neener:

On 2010+, 0 is cruise ability on. 1 is cruise ability off. On RA/MR/GSR

Heh that seems off. In all of programming 0 means no (off, nil, null) 1 means yes (on)... damn OEM always doing things backwards :)

On 2010+, 0 is cruise ability on. 1 is cruise ability off. On RA/MR/GSR

Ah ok, Mitsu at it again! :neener: