does anyone know if the evo comes with mobil one in it already when u buy it? The reason I ask is because a friend of mine has an subaru Sti and he was told not to change the oil early because it comes from the factory with a different oil for break in. Dont know if this is true with the evo x. I dont want to change it early and hurt the break in. Any input?

The Evo on display at the DC Auto show that I took photos of had a sticker right by the oil cap that had the Mobil 1 logo and said "Factory Fill. Synthetic oil only."

Seeing the Mobil 1 logo and the Factory Fill I would assume Mobil 1 is what they put in there.

The service interval recommendations don't say to change the oil in the car until 5k miles which is what I plan to do once I get my Evo but it's your call on when to change it.

Hopefully the Evo doesn't burn Mobil 1 as much as Subarus do, mine practically drank it. :(

Yup, I got a decal on my engine cover that says 'Mobil 1 Factory Fill'

It won't hurt to change it after the manufactor 600 miles brake in period. Ive changed my oil with my evo 8 after 1000 miles the same with the X.

mitsu released a statement a while ago saying it should be changed every 3k instead of 5k like originally stated.

and my dealer did my break in at 1k

I'm changing my oil as soon as I get the car home.

Break in wear metals = fail.

I'm changing my oil as soon as I get the car home.

Break in wear metals = fail.

I suggest changing it as soon as you get it, 1K, 3K, then every 3K after that. Oh, and Royal Purple goes wonderfully with the X :rock:

...1K, 3K, then every 3K after that. ..

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I'm at 1500 and changing the oil tommorow. If they say syn..then syn it is. I'll be going with European Formula Castrol 0-30 ftmfw. Pawns RP,M1, US Castrol and most other syn's. OR Amsoil for a second choice.

mitsu released a statement a while ago saying it should be changed every 3k instead of 5k like originally stated.

and my dealer did my break in at 1k

I haven't heard or read anything to that effect at all.

I was going to go buy oil to bring in and have them change my oil at the same time as they do the ecu reflash...

I'm not all that knowledge-able and I'm out of town and don't have the service manual on me. If I understood right though I need to have mobile 1 fully synthetic oil. Any other oil voids the warranty?

Also, when I go to buy the oil is there only 1 type of mobile 1 fully synthetic or are there various options? And if there are various options which one should I get?

The only real options are the weight, of that you want 5W-30. There may also be high mileage ones but all you need is Mobil 1 Fully Synthetic 5W-30.

Thanks, I was looking for the thread that listed the type cause I knew I had seen it. But I just couldn't find it. Anyway, come back and realize its 2 below this thread.... I only slept 3 hours last night :wallbash:

i changed mine at 600

Anybody try Royal Purple yet? Mobile 1 has never been really good for me.

Anybody try Royal Purple yet? Mobile 1 has never been really good for me.

I have used royal purple the whole time I've had the car, from the day I got home with her and changed the oil, I love it.

I changed mine at 1500 kms.

The manual that came with the car says to change the oil every 8000 kms :wtfsign:

Wow, you guys like to throw money away. Unless you are hotdoggin the car at every time you take off 5000 mi is fine, 3000 if you drive it hard.

P.S. AMSOIL is the best ;) Had it on my SRT and at 5000 miles it was still clean, mobil 1 in the other hand was black at the same milage. That was also using AMSOIL oil filter.

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Wasting money and guessing - been watching way too many TV commercials about oils. IMHO, time to stop guessing and do some waste engine oil analysis to see what you really have for wear metals, fuel and water solids, silicone content (dirt), etc.

BTW - if you have real [visible] metal particles in your engine oil, changing the oil ain't gonna help. Anything greater than a few microns = Game Over.

And spend some time reading the studies - changing engine oil too frequently INCREASES wear. Something about those small, light metal particulates having a better lubrication quality.

Get a FREE test here:

http://www.polarislabs1.com/test-kit.htm
(before it's deleted for not being an approved site vendor!)

Get some real numbers [of what's in the oil] and made an educated decision from there. Just saying X.xx miles for everyone is unjustified from a user standpiont.

Had it on my SRT and at 5000 miles it was still clean, mobil 1 in the other hand was black at the same milage. That was also using AMSOIL oil filter. So it's the same engine and the same driver and probably the same fuel being used? So where did the "dirt" go with the AMSOIL? Seems it was collected and kept in suspension with the M1 - since you say it was darker - where did it go with the AMSOIL?

If it's the same engine and same fuel then it had to go somewhere.

Do some waste oil analysis and see what's actually in the old engine oil. See how much of the lubrication packages, anti-oxidants, etc. still remain the oil. Color is a very poor indicator - too subjective. Kinda like "Well, it felt fast" compared to a stop watch.

And spend some time reading the studies - changing engine oil too frequently INCREASES wear. Something about those small, light metal particulates having a better lubrication quality.


I don't mean to sound like an a**hole but that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You could change your oil every single day and your motor would be in the same shape as if you changed it every 3000 miles. It would be the equivalent of burning money but wouldn't harm your motor.

As for studies, there was a study done a while back comparing synthetic oil to conventional petroleum based motor oil and the conclusion was that there is no difference in performance. Suffice it to say that I always take "studies" with a large pinch of salt.

OP.

The motor has a factory fill of Mobil 1. You can drive it 3000 miles and change it then. I have always had a habit of doing my first change at 1000 miles and my second at 3000 miles and after that every 3000 mile interval. I know it might not make a difference as they tell me newer engines are already 99% broken in from the factory. But it is just a habit of mine and will put my mind at ease.

And I do agree if you are seeing partials in your engine oil, you have a serious issue. The oil filter is there for a reason after all, and as Yxd68 said it is grabbing partials of the micron sized variety.

Anybody try Royal Purple yet? Mobile 1 has never been really good for me.

What does that mean???? Corvettes, AMG Mercedes, Vipers...... all come from the factory with Mobil 1. What do you know that they don't?

So it's the same engine and the same driver and probably the same fuel being used? So where did the "dirt" go with the AMSOIL? Seems it was collected and kept in suspension with the M1 - since you say it was darker - where did it go with the AMSOIL?

If it's the same engine and same fuel then it had to go somewhere.

Do some waste oil analysis and see what's actually in the old engine oil. See how much of the lubrication packages, anti-oxidants, etc. still remain the oil. Color is a very poor indicator - too subjective. Kinda like "Well, it felt fast" compared to a stop watch.
Ok let me be a bit more especific. The AMSOIL was not clean like new, but it was not black like th mobil 1 at around the same milage, yes same driver. Same style of driving and in the same area, so gas was the same.

I used to be in the Navy as and F18 mechanic, i had access to a Oil Spectrometer and did my own test. While i had no baseline from the manufacturer the AMSOIL had less PPM of silica and and metals than the mobil one. Once again the AMSOIL filter is like 15 bucks so i am assuming it is very good at doing what it does. :shades:

I don't mean to sound like an a**hole but that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You could change your oil every single day and your motor would be in the same shape as if you changed it every 3000 miles. It would be the equivalent of burning money but wouldn't harm your motor.

As for studies, there was a study done a while back comparing synthetic oil to conventional petroleum based motor oil and the conclusion was that there is no difference in performance. Suffice it to say that I always take "studies" with a large pinch of salt.

The studies you mentined might not have said anything to related to performance, but it is true that synthetic oil last longer(as it does not break down as fast as convencional oil) and it keep the engine runing a bit cooler. :thumbup:

What does that mean???? Corvettes, AMG Mercedes, Vipers...... all come from the factory with Mobil 1. What do you know that they don't?
That's what i was thinking :confused2:

The studies you mentined might not have said anything to related to performance, but it is true that synthetic oil last longer(as it does not break down as fast as convencional oil) and it keep the engine runing a bit cooler. :thumbup:

Oh, I know that synthetic oil is far superior to conventional motor oil. That's why I made the last comment about taking it with a grain of salt, lol. I was trying to make a point that studies are often flawed in someway, and very often there is an initial bias when studies are performed. :)

Oh, I know that synthetic oil is far superior to conventional motor oil. That's why I made the last comment about taking it with a grain of salt, lol. I was trying to make a point that studies are often flawed in someway, and very often there is an initial bias when studies are performed. :)
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Nice car, if you had Aero we would be driving the same thing

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Nice car, if you had Aero we would be driving the same thing

Sweet! Yeah I love my Apex Silver. I personally like the Evo X better without the aero kit, though I do like the rear corner air damns a lot.

Ok so what SAE rating of Mobil full synth oil do you have to use? Stricly 5W30 or is there no problem using 0W40 5W40 etc.?

Service manual states 5W30 as the only alternative but I have never seen this thing in any other car manuals. Usually a number of alternatives is given (eg. 5w30, 10w50, xxWyy depending on climate in your area etc. etc.)

I have 2k km (~1.3k miles) and planning to change at 7.5k km (~4.7k miles). I asked the engineer at the dealer few weeks ago and he said that first inspection is at 15k km (~9.3k miles) and that they are usually using Mobil full synth 0 or 5W40 depending on stock. Mine is the first Evo X in my area sold by them.

Should I insist on using/go buy Mobil 5W30?

I would stick with what's in the manual. I really doubt there's an engineer working at your dealership. I take it you mean mechanic.

I usually stick with what the manual states, just never saw so far a single type of oil as the only alternative. Besides, you've read what they said about what they usually use... I'm really lost now. :)

No, didn't talk to mechanics yet, I talked to the service dept. chief who introduced himself as an engineer.

What does that mean???? Corvettes, AMG Mercedes, Vipers...... all come from the factory with Mobil 1. What do you know that they don't?


I know in my infinity G-20 with the SR20DE motor if I go past 3k with the Mobil 1 it smells burnt and the guys at Kwik Kar Lube and Tune want me to do an engine flush. I get pretty busy at times and need to go to 4k miles. I cannot do that with Mobile 1. I also don't get very good gas mileage past 2k miles with it.

Royal Purple on the other hand, not only do I get better gas mileage, I have gone as far as 6k miles with no ill effects. Oil smells fine and looks fine.

The BMW 328i my wife drove, would run forever with Mobil 1. It may be a difference in the engines? I don't know.

Mobile 1 has not been very good for ME. Maybe I should say "My 2002 infinity G20 sport model SR20DE motor does not do well with Mobile 1"

I feel this thread will turn into a Chevy vs. Ford or Remington 700 vs. Winchester Model 70 but everybody will have their opinion.

So I'll add this....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqvhRi7-iMA

If Mitsu says Mobile 1, then I'll use Mobile 1.

Like I said earlier, the BMW loved Mobile 1. My truck and current car love Royal Purple.

here in Greece dealer suggest not to change the first oil comes with
the car as it contains some additional helps the engin during rotation.
1rst refil 7.500 km.

jnk

Being that I Time Attack, I change it like everything other track day..

Or if I have had to drive it around, every 1200-1500 miles :)

here in Greece dealer suggest not to change the first oil comes with
the car as it contains some additional helps the engin during rotation.
1rst refil 7.500 km.

jnk

Your dealer is full of shit! If he will not change it, do it yourself (very easy to do) and then let the dealer change it from then on according to the schedual.

Keith