Here is my idea, I know we have issues with the SST making use of any large turbos. However what if i make the most out of the stock turbo.

Build the motor, match up a set of cams, and tune, do as much with piping and exaust as possible.

would the outcome be the same with the SST not letting the car launch, because of the amount of TQ.

I dont want to fill this thread up with people that don't care for the MR/SST. If thats what you want to put down start another thread, this is project that I would like to complete for next years season.

this has pretty much been done. no need to build the motor on stock turbo.

and yes as long as you stick with the stock turbo it will always launch.

my car still launched pretty hard with a green on e85. never made it to the track but i bet it will do 11's.

You'd end up not going that fast, until you swap turbos. You're not going to get that much out of the stock turbo.

SSP has run a lot of big power MRs with their components. It's doable, it just costs, just like everything else.

see "SSP"

just cost more...

I'm testing out some new launch Control maps very soon. The recipe for an 11 second MR is as follows. FP Red, Kelford stage 1 cams, fmic, fic 1100 injectors, intake, full exhaust, Aftermarket trans fluid, Good tune.

Jeremy that is awsome to hear that you guys at SSP are working on the launch!

OK so what do you guys think would be the best set up for D/D and the strip.

I'm testing out some new launch Control maps very soon. The recipe for an 11 second MR is as follows. FP Red, Kelford stage 1 cams, fmic, fic 1100 injectors, intake, full exhaust, Aftermarket trans fluid, Good tune.

So this be a more direct route. i thought you had a built motor, this was more for the circuit track?

sorry to use you as the test for everything MR, Jeremy but you ahead of the game so far

Now the issue is will this just barely make it into the 11's or will we be shooting for 10's.
I know there have been some GSR's to break into the 10's, is it the lack of info we have on the SST right now, that is preventing us from breaking that number?

The MR doesn't launch as well, full stop. It's EASIER to launch, but you can launch a GSR better.

The MR doesn't launch as well, full stop. It's EASIER to launch, but you can launch a GSR better.

dude be careful, if you use MR and GSR in the same phrase it automatically starts flaming wars.

There are a few things that make it hard for the MR to run quick 1/4 mile times.

1) The boost is limited in first gear (to around 15 psi for most)

2) Once you throw a larger turbo on it does not spool enough on the "launch" and crawls off the line

3) The car simply doesn't launch hard even with stock turbo it's a rather tame engagement... 1.8 60' is usually the best you're going to see.

If you want a car that runs 10's... you need to get rid of the MR, plain and simple. The MR all around is just not designed for drag racing... Having said that though I believe my car is capable of 11's.. I've ran speed tracer 1/4 miles and managed 11.8 @ 116~ however I have not verified this on a proper 1/4 mile track yet. I really don't see 10 second MR's coming any time soon, and even if they do you're going to be spending a LOT of money on either a new transmission or beefing up your current one.

I don't understand why so many people want to turn a 2.0 liter, turbo'd rally car into a drag racer. Sure, you'll get a good launch, but the car is limited by its weight and its engine size.

Turning an MR into a drag car is even sillier, in my opinion. You've got a car that doesn't require heal toe shifting and, in fact, shifts faster than a human. That thing should be in the twisties, not at a 1/4 mile.

I don't understand why so many people want to turn a 2.0 liter, turbo'd rally car into a drag racer. Sure, you'll get a good launch, but the car is limited by its weight and its engine size.

Turning an MR into a drag car is even sillier, in my opinion. You've got a car that doesn't require heal toe shifting and, in fact, shifts faster than a human. That thing should be in the twisties, not at a 1/4 mile.

Evo's will always be a part of the drag scene... They have proven themselves time and time again to be top competitors, however.... I agree with you on the MR part. It's just not meant to be a drag racer.

Evo's will always be a part of the drag scene... They have proven themselves time and time again to be top competitors, however.... I agree with you on the MR part. It's just not meant to be a drag racer.


Yeah, I see lots of Evo in the drag scene, but look at the bills paid to get them to that point, kinda nuts, you know?

Yeah, I see lots of Evo in the drag scene, but look at the bills paid to get them to that point, kinda nuts, you know?

/agree...

1) Buy Mustang GT

2) Exhaust, tune, bottle

3) Run 10's

4) ??????

5) Profit.

There are a few things that make it hard for the MR to run quick 1/4 mile times.

1) The boost is limited in first gear (to around 15 psi for most)

2) Once you throw a larger turbo on it does not spool enough on the "launch" and crawls off the line

3) The car simply doesn't launch hard even with stock turbo it's a rather tame engagement... 1.8 60' is usually the best you're going to see.

If you want a car that runs 10's... you need to get rid of the MR, plain and simple. The MR all around is just not designed for drag racing... Having said that though I believe my car is capable of 11's.. I've ran speed tracer 1/4 miles and managed 11.8 @ 116~ however I have not verified this on a proper 1/4 mile track yet. I really don't see 10 second MR's coming any time soon, and even if they do you're going to be spending a LOT of money on either a new transmission or beefing up your current one.

It's a bummer I'm finding out the RA doesn't have those limitations. My boost is not limited in 1st gear on my RA.

Also it's not really the boost being limited on the MR, it's the throttle plate closing.

I predict the RA's being faster in drag then the MR's until everything is uncorked with the MR's.

- Bryan

It's a bummer I'm finding out the RA doesn't have those limitations. My boost is not limited in 1st gear on my RA.

Also it's not really the boost being limited on the MR, it's the throttle plate closing.

I predict the RA's being faster in drag then the MR's until everything is uncorked with the MR's.

- Bryan

Interesting... Mitsu/Getrag must have figured since the RA isn't making as much power they wouldn't add the throttle plate limitation because the SST wouldn't need that extra protection.

My car is so gutless in 1st gear lol, it's funny. Floor it in first and not much happens but a fast rev, as soon as you shift into second gear it begins rapidly accelerating and plants you into the seat...

Bryan does the RA have launch control? I've heard varying answers on this....

Yeah, I see lots of Evo in the drag scene, but look at the bills paid to get them to that point, kinda nuts, you know?

8s/9s aren't that super expensive to get really fast times in.

I love to race AWD cars at the strip. to be honest i never really looked into it, but i have not heard of any rally courses around my area.

Did anyone get an answer about the R/A launch control?

There are a few things that make it hard for the MR to run quick 1/4 mile times.

1) The boost is limited in first gear (to around 15 psi for most)

2) Once you throw a larger turbo on it does not spool enough on the "launch" and crawls off the line

3) The car simply doesn't launch hard even with stock turbo it's a rather tame engagement... 1.8 60' is usually the best you're going to see.

If you want a car that runs 10's... you need to get rid of the MR, plain and simple. The MR all around is just not designed for drag racing... Having said that though I believe my car is capable of 11's.. I've ran speed tracer 1/4 miles and managed 11.8 @ 116~ however I have not verified this on a proper 1/4 mile track yet. I really don't see 10 second MR's coming any time soon, and even if they do you're going to be spending a LOT of money on either a new transmission or beefing up your current one.

How much of the list parts did you have when you speed traced the car.

did the green launch ok or did it lag bad?

I believe my MR can hit mid twenties PSI in first gear. I will try tonight and see on the way to the Oilers season opener ;)

Is that to verify what was said before about the boost being limited in frist gear

Is that to verify what was said before about the boost being limited in frist gear

yes sir

I love to race AWD cars at the strip. to be honest i never really looked into it, but i have not heard of any rally courses around my area. but see, that's like an oxymoron. Racing an MR in a 1/4 mile run is literally the simplest form of racing ever.

It's simply a competition to see how much money you can pour into a car. There is literally nothing else involved. If you can figure out how to get into launch mode, you're done. That's it. You just launch, then, if you want to go faster, you spend more money. Not to say racing a "manual" car is some sort of delicate ballet of form, fashion, and technique, but at least it requires SOMETHING.

I'm not one to mock drag racing, as a lot of our enhancements and power gains stem from there, but fuck man, drag racing an MR? That's not a skill. That's like being able to breathe and walk at the same time.

How much of the list parts did you have when you speed traced the car.

Everything in my sig

did the green launch ok or did it lag bad?

It launches alright, on my new tune I get 1.8/9 60' now.... Still nothing spectacular compared to a "good" launch in a manual car, they average 1.7-1.6 or faster.

I believe my MR can hit mid twenties PSI in first gear. I will try tonight and see on the way to the Oilers season opener ;)

It shouldn't. Throttle plate stays partially closed on MR to protect first gear from being shattered by excessive torque. If you have the only MR on earth that doesn't experience this, I'd be pretty impressed :innocent:

I can SO breath and walk at the same time :)

But basicly isnt all racing the same thing get to a piont the dump more money into it.

I do understand what your saying about drag racing the MR, but even in my Z06 i smoked the second clutch in her this Drag week for Hot rod mag, and now she is getting the Auto swap in it. everything that is really fast and consistant is an auto trans in drag racing

It shouldn't. Throttle plate stays partially closed on MR to protect first gear from being shattered by excessive torque. If you have the only MR on earth that doesn't experience this, I'd be pretty impressed :innocent:[/QUOTE]

SHhhhhh weeble im voting for him :popcorn:

I can SO breath and walk at the same time :)

But basicly isnt all racing the same thing get to a piont the dump more money into it.

I do understand what your saying about drag racing the MR, but even in my Z06 i smoked the second clutch in her this Drag week for Hot rod mag, and now she is getting the Auto swap in it. everything that is really fast and consistant is an auto trans in drag racing


No, because road racing requires the driver mod. You gotta be able to drive the car, otherwise money is pointless.

Yes but what i was getting at is you need to pay to play... you can be a great driver and all and the same goes with drag. but if you dont have a fast enough toy you will most likly place last........ i know i know if you are an amazing driver you will do much better against someone with the same or a little less of a vehicle then you, however as great of a driver you are, your EVO wont take someone like AMs or sierra sierra because $$$.

Im not starting anything dont take it like that. I just like to 1320, with friends and family. that why i play at the track. we have a blast

I know if i wanted to drag the car a GSR would have been faster, but my wife can drive this as well so it is the est of both worlds and I was in because I am waiting to see if this trans becomes somthing really great when it comes to racing. we will see.

you can be a great driver and all and the same goes with drag. Well, yeah, but it doesn't require you to be one to actually succeed.

I weigh 130 pounds soaking wet. I would be a much better drag racer than most people here, simply due to the fact I weigh less than most people; it's like an instant 100 pound weight loss for a car with me driving versus a 230 pound person.

but if you dont have a fast enough toy you will most likly place last........ i know i know if you are an amazing driver you will do much better against someone with the same or a little less of a vehicle then you, however as great of a driver you are, your EVO wont take someone like AMs or sierra sierra because $$$.
But see, on an auto cross course, or something like that? Some jerk off in a 90 horsepower Miata is going to make you look like a fool, or some jerk off in an Impreza RS is going to mock your ballsack from afar, simply because they're better than you at driving. You can spend and spend and spend, but if you can't drive, you can't drive.

Anyhoogle, I know what you're saying, it's just a brick (for gas) and a short length of rope (to hold wheel still), along with a convoluted pulley system to release the brake from outside the car, could drag race an MR quite well, and cut down on weight.

you make me feel like i sould go on a diet now LOL actually come to Ny and run my MR ill being the the 12's with you in the seat (50 less punds) :)

I like your use of the phrase ballsack LOL

Understand. we all know the basics of $ and driving lets move on. plus im gunna look cooler then that guy in the 9 hp miata ( i think we can all agree :) )

oh BTW my friends made fun of me for my green ranger had to change it :(

I'm envisioning an elaborate pulley system to release the brake from outside the car.

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Tell your friend he's a horrible human being.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSGlSUxqkT8

I think I shat myself

stand by im still watching all of this :)