A friend of mine recently finished his Evo X stock turbo conversion on his 09 ralliart. He also has TBE, intake, intercooler, AMS trany cooler and a custom tune obviously and put down 319whp and 340lbs.tq. (see dyno sheet below). Last weekend he put down a 12.45 at our local 1/4mile track which is at 3,300ft above sea level.
The best I can do at this track with my Evo MR is 13.4 with intake, cat-back, test pipe, intercooler and a stage 2 (93) OTS map using launch control.

I am just wondering what Evos are doing with these kinds of power levels since he doesn't even have launch control/ S-Sport option and he has to shift manually, as it goes crazy when he lets the computer do the shifting.

I can't remember if he is on this forum, but I will let him know about this post so he can chime in...

The things he has better than me is a downpipe (UR), Custom tune and a tranny cooler... and pulls a fully second quick times than me with no launch control and shifting by him self. Is his Ralliart a freak or can a downpipe and custom tune really get me that much faster?

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How much less do Ralliarts weigh, if anything?

Obviously not enough to warrant a 1 second difference, but just a pondering.

Very nice congrats to the RA

Any chance on a time slip? What was his 60'?

Thats pretty cool. I would like to see what the weight is on one of those as well

look at his launch vs the mr. in theory he has more boost in 1st.

How much less do Ralliarts weigh, if anything?

Obviously not enough to warrant a 1 second difference, but just a pondering.
I will see if he will drive out to a weigh station by his place... it might not be exact but I can at least compare it to what my Evo MR weighs in at on the same scale..

Very nice congrats to the RA

Any chance on a time slip? What was his 60'?
I will try and get them from him... I wasn't there as I am living in Florida right now but I will see if he can send me some... 12.4 was his best with consistent 12.5s-12.6s for two nights of racing.


look at his launch vs the mr. in theory he has more boost in 1st.
Why would his boost be higher in 1st?

Ralliart does not restrict the throttle plate in 1st gear like an MR does, meaning he can use full power and full boost in 1st gear. The MR can't, we are currently limited to like 50% power in 1st gear.

Weight is about the same for these cars, not much difference at all...

What do each of you trap? Also your not custom tuned, your only on an ots map which is hurting u.

you sure about that weebles?

Its probably only 200lbs or so.

you sure about that weebles?

Yep

Ralliart does not restrict the throttle plate in 1st gear like an MR does, meaning he can use full power and full boost in 1st gear. The MR can't, we are currently limited to like 50% power in 1st gear.

Weight is about the same for these cars, not much difference at all...
Why would they do that on the MR and not the Ralliart? you would think it would be the other way around if anything... Although it would make sense... he takes off the line hard even before the turbo swap


What do each of you trap? Also your not custom tuned, your only on an ots map which is hurting u.
I trapped 103mph with my 13.4 run and I think he was trapping 105-106mph

Why would they do that on the MR and not the Ralliart? you would think it would be the other way around if anything... Although it would make sense... he takes off the line hard even before the turbo swap

Because the Evo makes enough torque that it's a danger to the SST in 1st gear, the ralliart doesn't (stock)....

When you use launch control if it didn't limit the boost/power we would be seeing a lot of failing SST's... It's a safety feature for the sake of preserving the transmission. This is why the MR is not suited for drag racing, even once they figure out how to remove this limitation you're going to have to drop extra money into beefing up SST parts to handle the launch power which in my mind just isn't worth it. If you want to drag get a GSR.

The RA's weigh approx the same as the MR's.

My Sportback RA weighs 3550lbs

It scoots now with 360whp though. ;)

- bryan

Because the Evo makes enough torque that it's a danger to the SST in 1st gear, the ralliart doesn't (stock)....

When you use launch control if it didn't limit the boost/power we would be seeing a lot of failing SST's... It's a safety feature for the sake of preserving the transmission. This is why the MR is not suited for drag racing, even once they figure out how to remove this limitation you're going to have to drop extra money into beefing up SST parts to handle the launch power which in my mind just isn't worth it. If you want to drag get a GSR.
Humm I wonder if HP Logic here in West Palm Beach can tune it out for me and I just wouldn't be able to use launch control... which is fine by me... They did produce some nice numbers on SSP Jeremy's MR and got past the torque limiter (I know I wont have to worry about that, just saying they have done some good work with the MRs and seem to know their stuff).
1/4mile isn't really my thing but when I am back home thats all we really have with race city as their road course is terrible and littered with pot holes that would absolutely crush a rim. :P here in West Palm though... there is a very nice track close to me.

The RA's weigh approx the same as the MR's.

My Sportback RA weighs 3550lbs

It scoots now with 360whp though. ;)

- bryan
haha damn I want 360whp in my Evo... But all this Evo will see for the next few years is what ever HP Logic can push out of the stock turbo on 93 with all the typical bolt-ons.. Until I am back in Calgary anyway where I know I can get away with modifications if something goes wrong...

Humm I wonder if HP Logic here in West Palm Beach can tune it out for me and I just wouldn't be able to use launch control... which is fine by me... They did produce some nice numbers on SSP Jeremy's MR and got past the torque limiter (I know I wont have to worry about that, just saying they have done some good work with the MRs and seem to know their stuff).


Nobody has figured out how to get rid of this limitation yet.

So I was thinking about this limiter that the Evo has in 1st gear. Is it only when you set launch control? or is it there even if I mash the gas off the line?

Because I was playing around tonight and if I hold the brake slightly and tap the gas a bit on and off and mash it when the light goes green, it pulls harder/faster than with launch control.. which is basically what my friend has to do with his Ralliart...

happens when you just mash the gas too.

hp logic did not get around the torque limiter right. i would not go there.

happens when you just mash the gas too.

hp logic did not get around the torque limiter right. i would not go there.

damn thats what I thought.

Well they seem to have done some good work on a bunch of MR's I have seen on here... one being one of the highest powered MRs in the world..

Plus with the stock turbo, I don't think I am going to have to be worrying about hitting the torque limiter... If I hit 340lbs.tq I would be giving one of these dances :dancebanana: ... Right now with the modifications I have, I would be tickled pink.... ahah yes tickled pink... with 320whp/320lbs.tq on HP Logics dyno.

This is the white sedan right? Not that it'd make a full seconds difference, but he ran with all the passenger seats etc. removed doesn't he?

That having been said, there are 4 RA's that have run in the 12's at Race City now iirc.

This is the white sedan right? Not that it'd make a full seconds difference, but he ran with all the passenger seats etc. removed doesn't he?

That having been said, there are 4 RA's that have run in the 12's at Race City now iirc.

Yep that would have been steve... He always pulls everything out when he goes racing.

Was it you that he raced?

Got one customer of mine she's doing a 12.6xx at 107mph on the stock RA turbo with meth but not tuned for it's full use yet. Slip and stuff on the other forum in the drag top 10.

There's also another customer that got the Stage 1-2-3 from AMS for the RA including their tune I had to adjust the air fuel doing 12.4 at 110mph. That's with the X turbo included in stage 3.

Those RA can get really fast

Yep that would have been steve... He always pulls everything out when he goes racing.

Was it you that he raced?

No he didn't run against me. I just chatted with him briefly when I was at Platinum on Friday.

Got one customer of mine she's doing a 12.6xx at 107mph on the stock RA turbo with meth but not tuned for it's full use yet. Slip and stuff on the other forum in the drag top 10.

There's also another customer that got the Stage 1-2-3 from AMS for the RA including their tune I had to adjust the air fuel doing 12.4 at 110mph. That's with the X turbo included in stage 3.

Those RA can get really fast

I think the surprise here is more to do with the times at this particular track. Because of the elevation and general lack of decent surface/prep here, the track generally runs REALLY slow. Cars can easily run a good half second quicker at the other tracks closest to Calgary.

No he didn't run against me. I just chatted with him briefly when I was at Platinum on Friday.



I think the surprise here is more to do with the times at this particular track. Because of the elevation and general lack of decent surface/prep here, the track generally runs REALLY slow. Cars can easily run a good half second quicker at the other tracks closest to Calgary.

The track prep doesn't really affect the AWD guys though. When we run the Corvette or the Gnx, thats where you will pick up the better times going some where else. Until you start spinning the wheels a lot off the line it doesn't affect the times. But none the less Steve is running some fast times but as people have said, its because he doesnt have the restriction in 1st gear like we (Evos) have

Because the Evo makes enough torque that it's a danger to the SST in 1st gear, the ralliart doesn't (stock)....

When you use launch control if it didn't limit the boost/power we would be seeing a lot of failing SST's... It's a safety feature for the sake of preserving the transmission. This is why the MR is not suited for drag racing, even once they figure out how to remove this limitation you're going to have to drop extra money into beefing up SST parts to handle the launch power which in my mind just isn't worth it. If you want to drag get a GSR.


What parts will have to be beefed up beside the clutch packs .
Im definitely interested in drag racing my MR as well . ( ill be tracking as well ) is this a lost cause ?, or should i just get a GSR ?

I really like the X ... i really like the MR ... but dam :wallbash: i dont really want to trade in for a GSR ... Id sooner buy a used GSR and keep both , however all that mulu could be used for modding ( what to do? )

What parts will have to be beefed up beside the clutch packs .
Im definitely interested in drag racing my MR as well . ( ill be tracking as well ) is this a lost cause ?, or should i just get a GSR ?

I really like the X ... i really like the MR ... but dam :wallbash: i dont really want to trade in for a GSR ... Id sooner buy a used GSR and keep both , however all that mulu could be used for modding ( what to do? )

If you want to drag race, get a different car... This also depends on your goals though, if you want low 12 second or high 11's then I think the MR is fine but anything faster than that is a lost cause at this point.

My car is an absolute beast from a roll, but launching is still pretty lack luster.. Get something like a 5.0 stang if you want to build a 1/4 mile dragger :P

If you want to drag race, get a different car... This also depends on your goals though, if you want low 12 second or high 11's then I think the MR is fine but anything faster than that is a lost cause at this point.

My car is an absolute beast from a roll, but launching is still pretty lack luster.. Get something like a 5.0 stang if you want to build a 1/4 mile dragger :P

I definitely wanna drag race , but not solely for it as id like to hit stratotech through the summer aswell . I guess my goals are to have a versatile street/strip car , as for the quarter mile , Id be happy with consistent high 11's ya ...

My head is trying to convince me to do a tranny swap:duh:(is it possible), but that'd be a BIG chore ...I like my leather intereior , my sunroof , my navi , all the fixens that DO NOT come in a GSR ... in Canada anyhow :(

I definitely am looking forward for rip in your car/Beast Weebles , as im gonna purchase some type of turbo/cams/injectors upgrade and it'd be nice to have some kind of bench mark to reference off of ... prolly make a purchase during boxing week .
So busy with work lately , working long hours , = no time to come in to town , its so late :(



btw , sorry to hijack this thread for a little bit :o