If you are planning on purchasing an Evo X, will it be your first Evo? Discuss.

As for me, yes, it will be my first Evo. I loved the way they drive ever since I drove an Evo 8, but I just couldn't get into the looks of them.

Me yes, same reasons as you Kooldino, and the wife can't drive stick and thinks the Evo X is much more palatable than previous models.

It will be my first. Was gonna buy the IX but started hearing things about the X so I decided to wait. I have wanted one ever since the VII (not released in the US) but was paying off a car at the time now I am free!! and can't wait...

Yes. Here is the list of cars I have bought new (I'm dating myself here)
1988 Mustang LX 5.0 5 speed
1992 Nissan Sentra SE-R 5speed
2003 Chrysler PT Cruiser GT

I am 41 with three kids, so I need the room and safety of the Evo as much as the performance. I am hoping 0-60 will be under 5 sec and a 1/4 mile of 13.0 or less. I know it will handle great, I hope it will have decent ride and NVH too...

^Hoping for the same exact thing. :)

will be my first evo.never had one but drove some on occasions i,m hoping this car will be all thats expected out of it.nothing less and the price flexible as well.

Yes, because it is the first time that it is actually available in Canada!

^Haha, true story.

Yes, because it is the first time that it is actually available in Canada!

Exactly!! I'm really excited. However, I'm rather unimpressed with the fact that the improvement of the Canadian dollar has not been taken into account. I mean the STI is still at an MSRP of close to 50 large here. Ridiculous.

Exactly!! I'm really excited. However, I'm rather unimpressed with the fact that the improvement of the Canadian dollar has not been taken into account. I mean the STI is still at an MSRP of close to 50 large here. Ridiculous.

Every time a we buy a car, we get ripped a new a$$hole :(

it fawken sucks, but such is life.

I've wanted an Evo since I got the first Gran Turismo game. Then when I saw the Evo IV on Jackie Chan's movie "Who Am I" I wanted one more. I didn't really care for 7-9, but X...yeah...I must have one.

Yep, this will be my first Evo. It's seriously killing me right now. I was planning on getting the IX, and I would have had one by now but I decided to wait for the X for several reasons.

I love the look of the IX, looks more raw and edgy. But the look of the X has grown on me. Looking at a pic of the X and IX parked side by side, the IX looks outdated by 20 years, lol. but it will always have a soft spot.

Jesus, 5 or 6 more months? are you kidding me :(

I am looking forward to buying the new Evo X it will be my 1st one. I can't wait to get it out on the autobahn here in Germany I will post a log on the handling. As soon as I drive her off the show room floor.

So...I'm wondering, if they don't adjust the pricing appropriately for us Canuckistanians - I wonder what it would take to purchase one in the States and bring it back here. I'm thinking it wouldn't be too bad and I'd save thousands of dollars.

I am looking forward to buying the new Evo X it will be my 1st one. I can't wait to get it out on the autobahn here in Germany I will post a log on the handling. As soon as I drive her off the show room floor.

That's what I like to hear.

I am 41 with three kids, so I need the room and safety of the Evo as much as the performance. I am hoping 0-60 will be under 5 sec and a 1/4 mile of 13.0 or less. I know it will handle great, I hope it will have decent ride and NVH too...

I'm in just about exactly the same boat as you Parnelli, all be it from a different Country :)

I'm also 41 with a couple of kids and am looking for exactly the same attributes of room/practicality along with at least the performance capability you've outlined.

This will also be my 1st Evo and totally agree with Kooldino and Bud, ie: I've always admired/respected their engineering and performance prowess, but could never get over the look of the things - that's all changed now with this much more 'grown up' and stylish Mk10 :)

had and 03 VIII gone current is 06 IX and will get the X in middle of 09

This will be my first, since again im in Canada. But ive mostly be into Bmw. Still having my Bmw E30 M3. A buddy of mine told me that the evo handles like them but with way more power. From then did my research and fell in love. Can't wait to get it and take to it Mosport and see how she does against my buddies Gallardo lol.

had and 03 VIII gone current is 06 IX and will get the X in middle of 09

Good plan. Wait for them to improve on it a bit, and meanwhile enjoy your current evo.

This will be my first, since again im in Canada. But ive mostly be into Bmw. Still having my Bmw E30 M3. A buddy of mine told me that the evo handles like them but with way more power. From then did my research and fell in love. Can't wait to get it and take to it Mosport and see how she does against my buddies Gallardo lol.

Actually, the Evo will outhandle an e30 m3.

Cool car though. I think you'll really enjoy the X.

I really hope that dealerships aren't pricks about test drives of the X when is finally makes it to the dealership.

They will be. Because they'll be able to.

well if i wasnt so poor i would have bought the evo 8 instead of my srt-4 years back. when this baby comes out ill be ready this time.

I for one can't wait for this baby to come out, I have been tinkering with buying a friend of mine's 04 STi but after seeing this...hands down beats the looks factor, I have always liked both EVOs and STis. Right now I know nothing about speed since my daily driver is a Land Rover, hehe.

This will be my first EVO. I like the technology behind the wheel.

Technology is good.

Welcome to the forum!

Again, a Canadian looking at his first Evo.

Sorry, I need to rant OT. If the dollar is stable for the next 5 months in parity with the US dollar then we Canucks should stand up and demand EVO price parity, too. We already have to pay more because of the GST (and PST, except for Alberta). It is BS for us to pay more!

Wow, looks like the overwhelming majority of us will make this our first evo.

Wow, looks like the overwhelming majority of us will make this our first evo.

I guess mitsubishi has done its job, I sure as hell wouldn't be able to live with the spartan interior of evo 9.

Again, a Canadian looking at his first Evo.

Sorry, I need to rant OT. If the dollar is stable for the next 5 months in parity with the US dollar then we Canucks should stand up and demand EVO price parity, too. We already have to pay more because of the GST (and PST, except for Alberta). It is BS for us to pay more!

News has it that car manufactures will bring the MSRP closer to the US ones. Lets hope so.

I really hope that dealerships aren't pricks about test drives of the X when is finally makes it to the dealership.

The dealership i put deposit on was really nice. Refundable deposit and you can also test drive it before buying it.

Nope. My current one is in my sig.

Nope. My current one is in my sig.

GT35R, eh?

I take it that's a bit on the laggy side? Or does the 2.3L (stroker kit, I assume?) help it spool a bit better?

I'd really like to increase the displacement of my X someday.

You are correct, Dino. The 2.3L displacement of the engine helps quicken spool-time on the turbocharger. The dual ball bearing nature of the turbocharger also helps.

I don't see displacement being too far away, Dino, with the 2.4L 4B11 engine that is present in the new 2008 Outlander 4 cylinder. But remember... the key point of the 4B11T is that it's 86x86mm bore to stroke will allow it to shine rev-wise and that is where true power is to be made on this intake/exhaust MIVEC motor, not boost/displacement.

You are correct, Dino. The 2.3L displacement of the engine helps quicken spool-time on the turbocharger. The dual ball bearing nature of the turbocharger also helps.

I don't see displacement being too far away, Dino, with the 2.4L 4B11 engine that is present in the new 2008 Outlander 4 cylinder. But remember... the key point of the 4B11T is that it's 86x86mm bore to stroke will allow it to shine rev-wise and that is where true power is to be made on this intake/exhaust MIVEC motor, not boost/displacement.

Yeah, I understand that if I stroked the motor, I'd kind of be going against the design of the motor. The piston speeds will be too high to safely rev as high as it would if it was still a 2.0L square motor.

Let's say the stock motor can handle 7500rpm safely, in terms of piston speeds (as far as the valvetrain goes, who knows). That gets us a piston speed of 70.5 feet per second.

Just for grins, let's say that 70.5 feet per second is our target number.

Now let's say for some stupid reason, we couldn't bore the block reliably beyond an 86mm bore, so to get it to the same 2.3L as your 4g63, we'd have to get silly with the stroke, and hike it up to 99mm (note, I wouldn't actually do this, I'm just using this as an example).

The 99mm stroke by 86mm bore would result in a piston speed of 70.3 FPS @ 6500rpm. If that were the case, we'd effectively lower our "redline" to 6500rpm (1000rpm lower than before) in order to get the extra .3 liters of displacement. The displacement would be worth roughly 15% extra torque between idle and 6500rpm, and would likely add a nice gain in throttle response. The question at that point would be whether or not it would be worth losing 1000rpm off of the top of the motor for 15% everywhere else.

In reality, you might be able to bore the motor out a bit and keep it closer to being square, and maybe find a happy medium where you have a ~2.3L with a 7000rpm "redline" or so.

PS - these calculators came in handy and did the dirty work for me:

http://www.bgsoflex.com/displacement.html

http://www.csgnetwork.com/pistonspeedcalc.html

Boring out the motor might not be as easy as it seems, as the 4B11 has pressed steel sleeves in it. If anything, a new set of sleeves would rather be the answer, but the tolerances between each cylinder would also then have to be remeasured, but I'm sure eventually down the road it will be a possibility, with companies like Darton and Golden Eagle. They've been sleeving and decking Honda aluminum blocks for years.

You're correct that by upping the displacement, there would be an initial throttle response increase that would continue through mid-range, but with a built block, and longer rod throw, rod clearance becomes a bigger issue. When I built my bottom end, I had to clearance the inside of the block for cylinder 2 and 3 to make sure there was enough room for the rod to clear. It's one of the downfalls about doing a higher stroke. I don't have MIVEC on my motor, so I worked on head design, valve clearing and cam lift and duration more than anything else in my tune. I run about 500whp on 93 pump without the aid of alcohol/methanol adders (which I detest) and it's always nice to see a throng of kids around my car in front of the dealership. =).

One other concern I would have about that setup you proposed is the valvetrain. In order to compensate for the increased piston speeds, I had the entire valvetrain reworked by Ferrea dual springs, titanium retainers, bronze valve guides and valve seals. I don't like taking any chances and I've done enough 4G63 blocks to know to check everything 10 times before final assembly. LoL.

Boring out the motor might not be as easy as it seems, as the 4B11 has pressed steel sleeves in it. If anything, a new set of sleeves would rather be the answer, but the tolerances between each cylinder would also then have to be remeasured, but I'm sure eventually down the road it will be a possibility, with companies like Darton and Golden Eagle. They've been sleeving and decking Honda aluminum blocks for years.

Valid points.

You're correct that by upping the displacement, there would be an initial throttle response increase that would continue through mid-range, but with a built block, and longer rod throw, rod clearance becomes a bigger issue. When I built my bottom end, I had to clearance the inside of the block for cylinder 2 and 3 to make sure there was enough room for the rod to clear. It's one of the downfalls about doing a higher stroke.

An extra pain in the butt for sure, but I'm sure it was worth it in the end.

I don't have MIVEC on my motor, so I worked on head design, valve clearing and cam lift and duration more than anything else in my tune. I run about 500whp on 93 pump

Nice!

without the aid of alcohol/methanol adders (which I detest)

Any particular reason you don't like alcohol adders? As far as I'm concerned, it's easy, cheap power. So long as your car isn't tuned to rely on it, no big deal.

and it's always nice to see a throng of kids around my car in front of the dealership. =).

I'd love to go for a ride in your car and a tuned 2.0L Evo back to back.

One other concern I would have about that setup you proposed is the valvetrain. In order to compensate for the increased piston speeds, I had the entire valvetrain reworked by Ferrea dual springs, titanium retainers, bronze valve guides and valve seals. I don't like taking any chances and I've done enough 4G63 blocks to know to check everything 10 times before final assembly. LoL.

Yeah, like I said, I wasn't even going to get into the valvetrain stuff. However, if you're not planning on running more revs than stock, it shouldn't be an issue so long as everything is within spec. Whenever I do pull the motor from my X, it will be going back together with a worked head sporting my logo.

There are many reasons I do not like alcohol/methanol injection:

1. An additive injection system is only as good as it's progressive controller and from what I've seen on the market, none of the controllers out there would conform to OEM spec build quality and reliability. I would not want to risk a very pricey motor build on a controller that has the 'what if' possibility of failing, even with a failsafe installed. I have a 55 gallon drum of VP Import if I want to up the boost. =).

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y263/kmxxbadboy/My%20Garage/12583c44e4c6.jpg

2. The corrosive nature of alcohol to an un-anodized surface of aluminum (which is what our pistons and heads are made of) is a factor that cannot be denied, as it is pure science in action. Methanol, although a weak acid, attacks the oxide coating that normally protects the aluminum from corrosion. The following forumla shows that:

6 CH3OH + Al2O3 → 2 Al(OCH3)3 + 3 H2O

The resulting salt is soluble in the next blast of methanol that comes into the combustion chamber, resulting in a clean aluminum surface (which is why so many alcohol/methanol users claim to have such clean piston heads!) which is immediately oxidized by oxygen present. The methanol then acts as an oxidizer on the bare aluminum in the following formula:

6 CH3OH + 2 Al → 2 Al(OCH3)3 + 3 H2
And then the process starts all over again. The back and forth process of these two reactions effectively fuels the corrosion until either the metal is all eaten away or the concentration of the methoxide salt is negligible.

Power hungry people on a budget on EvoM do not often think about the future consequences of their actions. I've already seen 4 Evos put down for having alcohol/methanol related blow ups.

I would not want to risk a very pricey motor build on a controller that has the 'what if' possibility of failing,

Which is why I'm saying you shouldn't tune it for the ragged edge of performance with the alcohol injection.

On top of that, there are other things you can do to save your motor, such as a J&S Safeguard.

2. The corrosive nature of alcohol to an un-anodized surface of aluminum (which is what our pistons and heads are made of) is a factor that cannot be denied, as it is pure science in action. Methanol, although a weak acid, attacks the oxide coating that normally protects the aluminum from corrosion. The following forumla shows that:

6 CH3OH + Al2O3 → 2 Al(OCH3)3 + 3 H2O

The resulting salt is soluble in the next blast of methanol that comes into the combustion chamber, resulting in a clean aluminum surface (which is why so many alcohol/methanol users claim to have such clean piston heads!) which is immediately oxidized by oxygen present. The methanol then acts as an oxidizer on the bare aluminum in the following formula:

6 CH3OH + 2 Al → 2 Al(OCH3)3 + 3 H2
And then the process starts all over again. The back and forth process of these two reactions effectively fuels the corrosion until either the metal is all eaten away or the concentration of the methoxide salt is negligible.

But how long does that take before it does any real damage? I couldn't imagine it eating away your piston in a short time.

Power hungry people on a budget on EvoM do not often think about the future consequences of their actions. I've already seen 4 Evos put down for having alcohol/methanol related blow ups.

I can say that of pretty much any mod. Put it in the wrong (read: uneducated) hands, and things will break.

I've heard people claim that boost controllers were bad because they lead to blown motors. And in the wrong circumstances, they do.

Ahh... good old J&S Safeguard. Ever notice that Mr. Pizzuto sounds like he's on the rag most of the time? LoL.

It's a great unit to have with the individual cylinder knock monitoring and the ability to pull that much timing. I've got one wired into my HKS V-Pro and, thankfully, it hasn't had to work it's magic. But that's the thing about methanol injection... most of the tuners, to show results to customers, tune it very aggressively. The tuner wars are a whole other story as I've heard countless tales from all sides of the front.

As far as the methanol doing damage to the internals, the formulae I posted is one cycle of combustion. With some of these guys starting their ramp at 12PSI .... you get the picture.

Soo running 500whp on your daily driver... just for kicks, what kind of mileage do you get? :P

^^^^

If badboy stays out of boost, he should be getting pretty decent mileage :)

Yes, my evo cherry will be popped summer 2008.

im getting it because my girlfriend cant drive stick and because i have always wanted a racecar that was as cool to drive as it looks. the other ones didnt do it for me.

I have big plans for this beast now that i have a steady career and not financial aid to back me up -lol

Im getting the EVO May 13 2008 happy birthday WOOP!! PSSHHH (BOV sound)

Congratulations!

first evo, but second lancer. bought a new lancer hatchback in 1979. yes. i am that old. into track days and cruises and the MR ticks all my boxes. would have stuck with subaru, but that wrx is not pretty.

Yes, my evo cherry will be popped summer 2008.

im getting it because my girlfriend cant drive stick and because i have always wanted a racecar that was as cool to drive as it looks. the other ones didnt do it for me.

I have big plans for this beast now that i have a steady career and not financial aid to back me up -lol

Im getting the EVO May 13 2008 happy birthday WOOP!! PSSHHH (BOV sound)

LOL. What if your GF tells you to get the SST or else, then what?

When you can watch the fuel needle drop at WOT, you no longer consider things like gas mileage.

I owned a Evo 6 back when I lived in Hong Kong, or rather my dad does. But what's his I consider mine anyways:afro:

I really wanted a IX (blasphemy!), but the passive safety features were a little behind the times. (I have kids). It doesnt hurt that the X has even more advances in its AWD system.

It'll be my first mitsu. I'll also be looking at the G8 when it is offered with a manual gbox.

I owned a Evo 6 back when I lived in Hong Kong, or rather my dad does. But what's his I consider mine anyways:afro:

That's awesome! Got any pics of it?

Where do you live now?

That's awesome! Got any pics of it?

Where do you live now?

I can ask my dad for the picture. Right now I live in LA, I'm a full fledge, money-sink-hole college boy :afro:.

Being Canadian this is my first shot at the Evo as well. I currently drive the SRT4, which has got me hooked on boost. A few things have to happen first before the Evo is in the driveway though.

Being Canadian this is my first shot at the Evo as well. I currently drive the SRT4, which has got me hooked on boost. A few things have to happen first before the Evo is in the driveway though.

Where in Canada are you? Did you put down a deposit?

I'd be driving an Evo XIII right now, but the lack of cruise control killed it for me.

Really looking forward to comparing the X and new STI, although I'm leaning heavily towards the X (Subaru seems to have their heads up their collective butts about what a "performance car" really is).

Glad to hear. Welcome to the forums, Spenk.

yes spenk is my new buddy! welcome spenk welcome

I'd be driving an Evo XIII right now, but the lack of cruise control killed it for me.

Really looking forward to comparing the X and new STI, although I'm leaning heavily towards the X (Subaru seems to have their heads up their collective butts about what a "performance car" really is).

glad to see a 8 owner looking forward to the X! welcome on board :)

Where in Canada are you? Did you put down a deposit?

No deposit and I am in Ontario.

No deposit?! Nice! I had to drop a grand.

No... i drive 6 years my VII, and i sold recently my VII in view to purchase the evo X.

but the disponibility in Switzerland is no communicated... maybe march or june 2008

This will be my first EVO. I did own a Talon TSI for a little while, but its not really the same as an evo...LOL

when i first saw the Evo 7 back in the Phil (was driving an 82 Lancer 'boxtype' and 02 Lancer), i told myself i'll work hard and eventually get myself an Evo. I was joking back then to myself that by that time that would be the Evo X (10). Well, now here in US, with a house and 2 kids, i'm looking forward and getting ready mid next year when i turn 32 for my 1st Evo. cross fingers..

Awesome! Hope your "dream" comes true, rexb.

this will could be my first evo. i'm still not sure on a lot of things about the car. but compared to the others i'm looking at, it's leaps and bounds above the competition.

this will could be my first evo. i'm still not sure on a lot of things about the car. but compared to the others i'm looking at, it's leaps and bounds above the competition.

Which other cars would be on the menu for you?

Audi TT
Audi A5
BMW 328ci

i'd probably buy the TT now if the 2.0t was offered in a manual and quattro. but the power, looks, and overall coolness of the X is winning me over.

Evo X >> Audi TT.

I drove a TT before and I was extremely underwhelmed.

i have to agree with that. but i've fallen in love with the 2.0T FSI engine. add an ECU upgrade and i'm happy.

guess i'll have to wait to test drive the X, to compare.

I guess you are the kind of buyer Mitsu wants, low end to mid range luxury performance. They should think about upgrading their interiors to match (I've gotten used to the interior in my wife's '06 330i). What about the 128i or 135i?

nah... i've looked into the 1 seires and it's a no. one, i don't like the styling, it's too much like the e46 rather than the e92. and the price is too close to the 3 series. once options you might as well as go for the 3 series.

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X will be my second evo, my first one was Evo 8, it was great~~!
cant wait for X...

Right on.

If you are planning on purchasing an Evo X, will it be your first Evo? Discuss.

As for me, yes, it will be my first Evo. I loved the way they drive ever since I drove an Evo 8, but I just couldn't get into the looks of them.

Exactly the same for me. Ive always like the power and ability of the Evo but never liked the looks. Until now :shades:

Evo X >> Audi TT.

I drove a TT before and I was extremely underwhelmed.


I test drove the TT coupe and cab about 5 years ago before I bought an M3. Hated every minute of it, slow, pokey and horrible. Other than that it was good :thumbup:

This will be my first Evo. I've always wanted an AWD Turbo car and I've always liked Evo's over WRX's. :sway:

:bump:

yup. im a subaru driver of 7 years. first was an rs, then a wrx in 05. time to upgrade. i drove a X a couple of days ago and i honestly like it over the new sti.

Yeah this will be my first Evo.

This My 4th EVO. Married so you know how it goes, whats mine is her's, and what's her's is her's. My WW-X has 900 mile on it, I get to drive maybe 200 miles of it.

2003 silver VIII GSR ( Was DD, now Winter Beater
2004 red VIII GSR ( Wife's Car, pickup truck rear end my wife ) Car is R.I.P
2006 GG IX MR ( Wife's DD Car)
2008 WW X GSR ( DD Car)