http://www.streetfire.net/video/how-to-crash-an-evo_2185406.htm


Dont know if its been posted before, but its pretty funny.

Can't even hold the steering wheel, but got the gloves on! Love the single-handed cornering technique. Who wants to take bets on the guy talking about racing on the forums?

what baffles me is that neither of them are wearing helmets

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wow what a fail

"Was that the back bumper?"

awww yeah dude I think you may have put a dent in it!!!

FAIL

Not sure if its sad or funny... or funny because its sad.

The guy looks like Vanilla Ice.

repost. his brake fluid was boiling, which is why he never slowed down. besides that, yes, full of fail ;)

repost. His brake fluid was boiling, which is why he never slowed down. Besides that, yes, full of fail ;)

damnit!!!

so much fail in that vid. Gloves yet no helmet, one hand steering, braking waaaaaay too late, general douchebaggery. Its hillarious re-waching the vid cause you can see the passenger hitting the imaginary brake pedal before the turn. Methinks he should have been driving.

:wtfsign::fail:

repost. his brake fluid was boiling, which is why he never slowed down. besides that, yes, full of fail ;)

Is the guy on this forum?

not that i know of. but watch his left knee. you can see he starts hitting the breaks at the right time, but then he says 'no breaks'. all things considered, he did a pretty good job. how would you react if you just realized your breaks stopped working and theres a wall coming at you at +100mph? Probably not mot much better. gloves help give better wheel grip, but yea i don't get why they were not wearing helmets. what track even allows that?

edit: why did he turn with one hand? because his other hand was on the e-brake =/ like i said, pertty good job

that said, its funny how fast all the clueless parking lot queens are to criticize when someone who actually drives their car has some bad luck

not that i know of. but watch his left knee. you can see he starts hitting the breaks at the right time, but then he says 'no breaks'. all things considered, he did a pretty good job. how would you react if you just realized your breaks stopped working and theres a wall coming at you at +100mph? Probably not mot much better. gloves help give better wheel grip, but yea i don't get why they were not wearing helmets. what track even allows that?

edit: why did he turn with one hand? because his other hand was on the e-brake =/ like i said, pertty good job

that said, its funny how fast all the clueless parking lot queens are to criticize when someone who actually drives their car has some bad luck
If he's such a good driver then where is his helmet? He's got harnesses in there? But no helmet?

haha, wow.. maybe he shoulda thought about using the brakes before that turn? or just do anything other than what he did haha

EDIT: Ok, watched video again, I guess he isn't as dumb as originally perceived.. although it does look like he was using the e-brake to make the turn, not to slow down once he was off the course..

how would you react if you just realized your breaks stopped working and theres a wall coming at you at +100mph? Probably not mot much better.

<grin> I know how I'd react. You wanna talk walls? Try an oval. Absolutely frighting.

More accurately and on-topic, reaction doesn't have much to do with it; it's a matter of knowing and anticipating the dynamic. Hell, his line was nonexistent. While I cannot read minds and transfer myself into the same vehicle hoping for a clue, the evidence is pretty self-explanatory to most folks with competetive experience.

ya he entered the turn far too early, he was playing xbox

Not sure if its sad or funny... or funny because its sad.

Yeah taking a closer look I can't see him doing anything better than the way he did it.

if he entered later at that speed, he would have went off sideways and rolled, totaling his car and probably getting pretty fucked up in the process... which is why he should have been wearing a helmet. he should have straightened the wheel though =/

i never said he was good, i said he did the right thing given the situation.

:yeahthat:

this is actually what happens when break fluid boils at cayuga aka TMP :)...i know the guy,,not too much damage just rear bumper..drove home with a rear broken strut or shock tower i believe.

Hes a good driver..seems to win his classes :)..ill let him chime in if he wants but good find hes told me about it but ive never seen it LOL

Hes a good driver..seems to win his classes :)..ill let him chime in if he wants but good find hes told me about it but ive never seen it LOL

Sure, have him post. It might be fun to find out why such an excellent pilot keep cranking the wheel, not unlike a bus driver taking a 90* turn, as his car is plowing off the track. Perhaps it's a new age technique that we could learn something about.

why this is funny? at least this guy is on the track. And when you on the track this can happen with everyone.

why this is funny? at least this guy is on the track. And when you on the track this can happen with everyone.


I think the point is that using a bit of caution and common sense can invaluable to hurting yourself and others.

If he's such a good driver then where is his helmet? He's got harnesses in there? But no helmet?

no one looks good when crash happens... That is doesnt mean they are bad drivers. Probably this guy knows more about driving the evo then some guy who never crashed it , but never been on the track either. Highway pulls will not teach you anything , unless you got a ticket.
From outside and after, everybody can be smart . As usually people do.
Hm, there is something in that saying, small knowledge is a most dangerous.

Rob

ps: this is not for you , in general.

I think the point is that using a bit of caution and common sense can invaluable to hurting yourself and others.

so how that boils down on the track, would you explain to me in this situation?
Besides , he miss judge this situation?

so how that boils down on the track, would you explain to me in this situation?
Besides , he miss judge this situation?

Do you wear a helmet when you race?

I've heard those Cosworth hats are as good as any helmet on the market out to date.

Fail on SO many ends..

Do you wear a helmet when you race?

he crashed because he doesnt have a helmet?
And yes when its a slower - practice runs i prefer not having it. This guy didnt go all out as i see, he got cought on the no brake situation. SInce he wasnt fully on it.
Never a bad idea , just some cases i like without helmet. More visibility etc.
In the states where you need helmet every where, even a bathroom.
Also the passenger is common thing where i came from. Not just only the so called "instructor"./most cases/ And yes there not always wearing helmets , with no every race have a dead or injured record LOL
here is one video from a F1 race track from Hungary, and look for helmets... So they all bad drivers and so on so forth?
:)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWAOtm0L0xQ

I think it's common sense to wear a helmet when racing around a track? Your driving your car at high speeds / pushing it to the limits around corners.. It's like wearing a seatbelt to be safe in case of an accident, or wearing a condom to prevent children, or putting cheese on a grilled cheese sandwich. You just do it because it's the smart thing to do.

I'm not gonna act like I'm something I'm not either. The only track time I get is behind my xbox controller. I've never been to a track in my life. Went the the drag strip once. I'd like to get inti racing, but being in college and this being my only car, it's hard to spend the money and beat on the car like that.

I think it's common sense to wear a helmet when racing around a track? Your driving your car at high speeds / pushing it to the limits around corners.. It's like wearing a seatbelt to be safe in case of an accident, or wearing a condom to prevent children, or putting cheese on a grilled cheese sandwich. You just do it because it's the smart thing to do.

what makes even more common sense to be safe , not even going to the track. Besides what is that have to do , to this guy loosing control /because this thread about that, no? /

I always forget im not home ....:bowlol::bowlol::bowlol:

I'm not gonna act like I'm something I'm not either. The only track time I get is behind my xbox controller. I've never been to a track in my life. Went the the drag strip once. I'd like to get inti racing, but being in college and this being my only car, it's hard to spend the money and beat on the car like that.

as soon as you go to the track the criticizes will be disappearing in you towards others very quickly.
The drag racing is not subject here , i hope. :tumbleweed:

You can go to HPDE and other club events , you will be safe. You got an evo , so dont torture it in the garage, and the parking lot shows - meets. Go out there and use it. You will love it. That is not a torture for an EVo, that's why they made it. It is not an RA or any other sporty car. The EVO is a sport car . You dont have any idea what you have until you use it.
Rob

Well, one could make an assumption (from watching it once, not analyzing it) that since he has "safety belt harnesses" and "racing gloves" but no helmet, that he doesn't really know what he's doin, because his missing the most important safety item.

as soon as you go to the track the criticizes will be disappearing in you towards others very quickly.
The drag racing is not subject here , i hope. :tumbleweed:

You can go to HPDE and other club events , you will be safe. You got an evo , so dont torture it in the garage, and the parking lot. Go out there and use it. You will love it.
Rob

I have to drive it every day to school lol I can't have it broken in the garage? But I'm looking into some events this year. They look like a lot of fun an I have a few buddies who do them.

I have to drive it every day to school lol I can't have it broken in the garage? But I'm looking into some events this year. They look like a lot of fun an I have a few buddies who do them.

try to go without buddies first. Believe me on that. You dont want to be show off, or be embarrassed if it comes down to that :)
Get a instructor and ride with him at the event . Take it slow sometimes is faster :)
Also those club events are not expensive at all. They are great fun , and huge learning experience in every way.
ALL evo drivers should go at least twice , to understand the car behavior and so on.

never mind , i said enough.

We get it, you are defending the guy you know. It still does not excuse the fact that he forgot an important safety feature (helmet). Just because someone hasn't been to the track doesn't mean that he doesn't know that a helmet is an important safety item.

In addition, he wound up crashing his car. Does that mean he was a bad driver? To some people's standards, yes. In your standards, it apparently gives him more credit because at least he did it on a track. To your point, if you are new to driving on a track, then you should drive slower. If he was not new to driving on the track, maybe he should have thought about using some better brake fluid? or some better brakes? or some other "Safety" item that he didn't use that could have prevented his accident.

One way or another, this person was driving an Evo that was not well equipped enough to be on the track performing at the level it was being driven. If it was, he would not have crashed (unless he was completely inexperienced and made a stupid mistake). Since the end result of his actions caused a crash, EVERYTHING he did (including not wearing a helmet) will be scrutinized by the community of people who watch this video and were not the driver/passenger.
/thread

stop acting like the helmet was even a factor when you first (re)posted this video. if he was wearing a helmet, you would still have posted it and called him a noob for turning too early etc. and he would have still went off. that proves that you're pretty clueless, being you still don't seem to understand WHY he went off. btw, driving gloves will do more to prevent an accident than a helmet. stop saying they're a bad thing

it's not easy to boil the brake fluid on an X. If you're 'new to driving on a track', you won't boil the fluid. You'll only do that once you've mastered threshold braking and the braking zones, and can control the car while trail braking through turns. Those are advanced skills. To get to that point suggest the driver wasn't a noob. People who know him also said that. You say if he was more experienced he wouldn't have crashed. I'd suggest that if he were LESS experienced, he wouldn't' have boiled his brakes and thus wouldn't have crashed.

But what do we know? you saw a video on the internet! you are obviously now the authority on all things track safety and qualified to put down anyone who ever has an off. its great for your ego! not so much for your credibility though

:+1::thumbup:not that i know of. but watch his left knee. you can see he starts hitting the breaks at the right time, but then he says 'no breaks'. all things considered, he did a pretty good job. how would you react if you just realized your breaks stopped working and theres a wall coming at you at +100mph? Probably not mot much better. gloves help give better wheel grip, but yea i don't get why they were not wearing helmets. what track even allows that?

edit: why did he turn with one hand? because his other hand was on the e-brake =/ like i said, pertty good job

that said, its funny how fast all the clueless parking lot queens are to criticize when someone who actually drives their car has some bad luck

But what do we know? you saw a video on the internet! you stayed at a holiday inn express! you are obviously now the authority on all things track safety and qualified to put down anyone who ever has an off. its great for your ego! not so much for your credibility though
fixed.
But I will agree with he should have worn a helmet and i am suprised they let him run with out one.

lol...this still going...what blk-majik says is right..i know nothing about how to threshold brake or any of that..but fortunately for me this guy is taking instructor class and ill be learning first hand what to do right!..firstly changing my brake fluid haha..first thing he told me when we met ;)..i wont use my (snowmobile heated visor helmet) either until im told to do so! lol...

When your brake fluid starts to boil you don't instantaneously lose your brakes completely - they just start to fade and the pedal goes long. If you're experienced and recognize this, you adjust accordingly by braking earlier or pumping the brakes.

Not criticizing the guy in the video - I have no idea what went wrong for him. Just saying that boiling brake fluid is something you should be able to recognize and adapt to. It's not something that should lead to a crash.

We get it, you are defending the guy you know. It still does not excuse the fact that he forgot an important safety feature (helmet). Just because someone hasn't been to the track doesn't mean that he doesn't know that a helmet is an important safety item.

In addition, he wound up crashing his car. Does that mean he was a bad driver? To some people's standards, yes. In your standards, it apparently gives him more credit because at least he did it on a track. To your point, if you are new to driving on a track, then you should drive slower. If he was not new to driving on the track, maybe he should have thought about using some better brake fluid? or some better brakes? or some other "Safety" item that he didn't use that could have prevented his accident.

One way or another, this person was driving an Evo that was not well equipped enough to be on the track performing at the level it was being driven. If it was, he would not have crashed (unless he was completely inexperienced and made a stupid mistake). Since the end result of his actions caused a crash, EVERYTHING he did (including not wearing a helmet) will be scrutinized by the community of people who watch this video and were not the driver/passenger.
/thread

i dont know who the hell is that guy , FYI.
I do give him credit to being on track. Which i dont know we can give you that...
i 'll try to explain something :
Track - crash - racing goes hand in hand. Nothing to be judged.
Street - crash - racing . should be judged
No crash - no track - no experience = no judgement :$:
no crash - no track - no experience = judging :duh:

The rhetorical question comes up here: How do you explain the difference for the blind between red and green?


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i'm done here, i think im out of my league with this.

stop acting like the helmet was even a factor when you first (re)posted this video. if he was wearing a helmet, you would still have posted it and called him a noob for turning too early etc. and he would have still went off. that proves that you're pretty clueless, being you still don't seem to understand WHY he went off. btw, driving gloves will do more to prevent an accident than a helmet. stop saying they're a bad thing

it's not easy to boil the brake fluid on an X. If you're 'new to driving on a track', you won't boil the fluid. You'll only do that once you've mastered threshold braking and the braking zones, and can control the car while trail braking through turns. Those are advanced skills. To get to that point suggest the driver wasn't a noob. People who know him also said that. You say if he was more experienced he wouldn't have crashed. I'd suggest that if he were LESS experienced, he wouldn't' have boiled his brakes and thus wouldn't have crashed.

But what do we know? you saw a video on the internet! you are obviously now the authority on all things track safety and qualified to put down anyone who ever has an off. its great for your ego! not so much for your credibility though
In no way shape or form am I trying to relate him not wearing a helmet to wrecking his car. Never did I say that he wrecked his car because he wasn't wearing a helmet, nor did I hint at it. I would have to be a complete idiot to think that. All I said was the guy clearly doesn't have much saftey sense because if he was driving at such a talented level (like you say he is) then he should have been wearing a helmet.

I also said that I watched the video once, wanted to share it, so I posted this thread. I didn't sit there and analyze the video to figure out why he went off the track and write a conclusion as to why I think it happened.

i dont know who the hell is that guy , FYI.
I do give him credit to being on track. Which i dont know we can give you that...
i 'll try to explain something :
Track - crash - racing goes hand in hand. Nothing to be judged.
Street - crash - racing . should be judged
No crash - no track - no experience = no judgement :$:
no crash - no track - no experience = judging :duh:

The rhetorical question comes up here: How do you explain the difference for the blind between red and green?


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i'm done here, i think im out of my league with this.

You are correct, I have yet to have driven on a track. I happen to be the type of person who will plan for an extended period of time (sometimes longer than necessary) in order to make sure I am fully prepared for whatever I am doing. In the case of going to the track, I am not prepared for several reasons, including but not limited to lack of funds for appropriate equipment.

You and I disagree about the first point you tried to explain. I'm sure there are plenty of people who have driven at a track and never crashed. Yes, racing does come with the RISK of crashing, However, NO, it is not a requirement if you race (track and street, but for this conversation, we'll skip over the risks & stupidity of street racing) .

Also, I'm not sure you actually read my post. I was not judging his driving skills, I was saying that he crashed (on video, online) and therefore was open to criticism from the online community. I did not judge whether he did everything he could to avoid the crash or not. I merely mentioned that he neglected to wear a helmet and that a helmet is an important safety item. I also said that he should have been able to avoid boiling his brake fluid (see my being prepared comments above for reason). If it is so hard to boil brake fluid, then he should have known that he was doing something to make the brake fluid start to boil and considered the consequences (i.e. crashing). Your analogy about explaining color to a blind person is a great one, but doesn't fit this situation. I understand that racing takes a large amount of skill, and crashing takes none.

lol at this thread

I don't know the guy nor the full situation, but if he's as experienced as people claim then how would he not have noticed his brakes fading so badly? Also, if he's really knowledgeable, I feel that he would have replaced the OEM fluid with something that could handle his kind of driving. Then, to question going back onto the track...hm, seems fishy.

I mean, sure I can believe the guy is very experienced and all, that's fine, but he made a really bad error, not necessarily on the track, but in setting up his X. But, coming from someone who's only done a couple Auto-X's and is going to his first HPDE in a few months, my words probably mean nothing to the more experienced drivers.

when i boiled the fluid in my OEM brakes at Roebling, there wasn't much warning. I had full pressure through the back section, then almost none on the straight. it wasn't gradual at all. luckily i found out by tapping the brakes half way down the straight, which gave me time to use the e-brake while engine braking to slow down before turn 1. i didn't do that because i was experienced... far from it. i did it because my instructor told me to earlier in the day :) point is that it's not always a gradual change that you would notice and unless you're lucky like i was, that 'experience' comes the hard way. I bet he'll brake check from now on! after that weekend, i got new calipers, rotors and lines :)

fwiw, it might not have been boiling fluid either. could have been glazed pads. theres still ways to tell, but the brake pressure feels the same so you really don't notice until you're braking and everything feels right other than the part about the car not slowing down =/

when i boiled the fluid in my OEM brakes at Roebling, there wasn't much warning. I had full pressure through the back section, then almost none on the straight. it wasn't gradual at all. luckily i found out by tapping the brakes half way down the straight, which gave me time to use the e-brake while engine braking to slow down before turn 1. i didn't do that because i was experienced... far from it. i did it because my instructor told me to earlier in the day :) point is that it's not always a gradual change that you would notice and unless you're lucky like i was, that 'experience' comes the hard way. I bet he'll brake check from now on! after that weekend, i got new calipers, rotors and lines :)

fwiw, it might not have been boiling fluid either. could have been glazed pads. theres still ways to tell, but the brake pressure feels the same so you really don't notice until you're braking and everything feels right other than the part about the car not slowing down =/
Well, you taught me a lesson today

i thought he did an awsome job. i mean he didnt panic at all. he may not have used but one hand but when he lost control but when i raced on dirt i was always taught to use one hand. lol but the best at the track used one hand. and im sure u dont see high speeds on the track or an official would have forced him to use one.

I dont buy anything about boiling fluid. I ran stock fluid full race pads and tires and I cannot get them to fade. That was just some terrible driving and recovering.
Yes, I've gone off track many many times at 100plus for various reasons such as lost wheels, brakes, punted...

I'm willing to bet it was an electronic failure with the abs which has happened to me in german cars where it instantly goes to abs with no braking force one second then back to normal. It was just the pathetic recovery and wank ass driving before hand thats hilarious.

Ladies ladies, you don't have to fight over me ;)

the passenger totally freaked haaha ugh...

when i boiled the fluid in my OEM brakes at Roebling, there wasn't much warning. I had full pressure through the back section, then almost none on the straight. it wasn't gradual at all. luckily i found out by tapping the brakes half way down the straight, which gave me time to use the e-brake while engine braking to slow down before turn 1. i didn't do that because i was experienced... far from it. i did it because my instructor told me to earlier in the day :) point is that it's not always a gradual change that you would notice and unless you're lucky like i was, that 'experience' comes the hard way. I bet he'll brake check from now on! after that weekend, i got new calipers, rotors and lines :)

fwiw, it might not have been boiling fluid either. could have been glazed pads. theres still ways to tell, but the brake pressure feels the same so you really don't notice until you're braking and everything feels right other than the part about the car not slowing down =/

this is what happened..period. 6 pages of people arguing..most of whom never drive the evo in the winter let alone at a track..:) brakes boiled..no warning..he tried brake check..e brake..fail...walls..drove home from cayuga to peterborough..over an hour away..just shows you the evo can take a licking and keep on ticking :):)

Ladies ladies, you don't have to fight over me ;)

I believe you over valuate yourself here .
We agrued on the situation , not actually about you. Fact personally i dont even know you . :bowlol:
And as i said, i give you credit to not to be a poser = you using your car what its made for.
That is the reason i do defend that situation what you have been, there for others will not be discouraged to going on the track and laugh at it, if they do make a mistake... that is about it. Nothing more or less.
I like those guys who actually drive they evo, and not just talking about it. And if you crash what ever reason is, you try, ,not just going around , so you have it ! And you deserve the Evo. Crash happens all the time, nothing biggie about it.

Rob

this video just made my day, somebody tell the guy to go pick up an ID ten T form from the tent on his way home. dumbass.

I believe you over valuate yourself here .
We agrued on the situation , not actually about you. Fact personally i dont even know you . :bowlol:
And as i said, i give you credit to not to be a poser = you using your car what its made for.
That is the reason i do defend that situation what you have been, there for others will not be discouraged to going on the track and laugh at it, if they do make a mistake... that is about it. Nothing more or less.
I like those guys who actually drive they evo, and not just talking about it. And if you crash what ever reason is, you try, ,not just going around , so you have it ! And you deserve the Evo. Crash happens all the time, nothing biggie about it.

Rob

You and your FACTS :tumbleweed:

Got Understeer!? Fucking moron...

I think he did great, seriously.

Let this be a lesson to those who are tracking their evo for the first time.

1) Drain the OEM brake Fulid and put in something appropriate for track use. HIGH boiling points people.

2) take the backing plates off the rotors. This greatly help to dissipate heat.

3) While youre in there, swap out to some stainless lines.

These basic mods will greatly improve braking compared to stock form.

The OEM pads and rotors will be fine as long as there is life left in them, after they are worn out switch out to a petter pad compound and some slotted rotors that will further help to dissipate heat.

And in regards to the guys driving...meh. You live and you learn. Guarantee he wont do that again. You learn more from your mistakes than you do from your successes. Props to him for actually tracking it, which is more than a lot of people who will post in here can say.

it's not easy to boil the brake fluid on an X. If you're 'new to driving on a track', you won't boil the fluid. You'll only do that once you've mastered threshold braking and the braking zones, and can control the car while trail braking through turns. Those are advanced skills. To get to that point suggest the driver wasn't a noob. People who know him also said that. You say if he was more experienced he wouldn't have crashed. I'd suggest that if he were LESS experienced, he wouldn't' have boiled his brakes and thus wouldn't have crashed.


I'm not so sure about that. I haven't tracked my EVO yet, but I boiled the brake fluid the first time I took my Supra on the track. I could feel the brakes getting mushy so I slowed it down.

I can't really comment on this guy, but I'm sure he learned something from this. Hah.. and you can see his buddy grabbing his head while they were sliding on the grass (I imagine was wishing he had a helmut on).

Loving the gardening gloves:thumbup:

winner winner chicken dinner

i 'll try to explain something :
Track - crash - racing goes hand in hand. Nothing to be judged. First off, that was NOT racing. Racing involved fire suits and helmets at a minimum. And passengers - in real racing - are extremely rare.

He (they) were just motoring around a track on an open track day. That is NOT racing. So if your car gets stuffed, it's only due to one of a few possibilities:

1. Driver incompetence
2. Driver being too aggressive (See 1. )
3. Mechanical failure
4. The track comes apart or a bunch of cars suddenly crash in front of you (both of which are VERY rare in open track sessions)

I'm still shocked they were allowed on the track, even an open track day, with no helmets.

All of the tracks around here require helmets.

sucks and even suckier driver

You'll only do that once you've mastered threshold braking and the braking zones, and can control the car while trail braking through turns. Huh?? What is this talk of Threshold braking in a car - like the EVO X - with ABS?

Just mash on the pedal hard and fast to immediately - intentionally - activate the ABS - and let the car and assorted computers slow the car. Then ease off (trail) the binders as the car enters the corner (as steering is introduced).

Say "just mash", but say it slowly, with a lisp.

Yeah.

Like that.

Huh?? What is this talk of Threshold braking in a car - like the EVO X - with ABS?

Just mash on the pedal hard and fast to immediately - intentionally - activate the ABS - and let the car and assorted computers slow the car. Then ease off (trail) the binders as the car enters the corner (as steering is introduced).

doesn't mean you still can't threshold brake. only difference when ABS is present is that if you over do it, you don't lock the tires. relying on ABS is horrible for warping rotors and BOILING BRAKE FLUID.

so i see your point :) A noob driver who is standing on the breaks because he read something on the internet like "just mash on the pedal hard and fast to immediately" will probably boil his brake fluid and be in such a video :godance:

Not sure why you guys keep preaching about the helmet. I've ripped it around Nurburgring's GP track a few times and never wore a helmet. Does this make me a noob? Hell didn't even use gloves either. lol

You don't know this man's experience level, so quit judging him. He could be the most experienced one here, and freaked out when he had no brakes and went into panic to try anything and everything. He looks to have been shifting down or into neutral, kind of explains the 1 handed driving. But I could be wrong who knows.

doesn't mean you still can't threshold brake. only difference when ABS is present is that if you over do it, you don't lock the tires. relying on ABS is horrible for warping rotors and BOILING BRAKE FLUID. I don't disagree with you about liking to do threshold braking as I first learned that method and used to teach it professionally,however it was before all the school [street] cars came with ABS.

OTOH I've been to three performance driving schools in the last three years (I like to brush up even though I don't get to spend as much time on-track as in years past) - BMW's M School, Jim Russells's EVO Experience and Bob Bondurant's school (where I used to teach) and ALL of them teach to grab the ABS ASAP to stop/slow down the fastest - on track. Curious, no?

As far as ABS warping rotors and heating brake fluid - well, yeah, it makes sense that if you use the brakes haarder, they get hotter. That's expected. So I'm not sure what your point was. :duh:

I also seem to recall that warping is more a matter of controlled cooling than max temps. In any case pads, rotors and brake fluid are disposable items especially with lots of track use.

Obviously all the experts have already weighed in, but my two cents, having done auto-x and HPDE off and on since 1990 -

- Line going into the corner wasn't all that great
- Did an okay job of recovering - shouldn't have kept turning the wheel. There was a lot he could have done, but he didn't.
- Boiling brake fluid on a practice day? Seriously?
- In his situation I would have mashed the pedal/forced the ABS - but it's hard to armchair QB they guy. I heard racing schools teach you to do that now.
- Like most, where's the helmet? Even on track days, and practice sessions - at least in SoCal - you have to wear a helmet. No way this was a race, unless the passenger was an instructor (he wasn't). No helmet is cool right up to the point one of his rims hooks on the ground and he ends up rolling...
- I think this vid is funnier than shit, because I did this to an 88 Corvette years ago, and after everyone knew I was okay, I was the joke of the track until some dude in a 300ZX went off track in the same place I did. Then we all laughed at him.
- I will keep laughing at this video until I see a different one, or until someone films me spinning out at the end of the month at the local auto-x. In which case, I will post the vid, and you can all laugh at me. I am making the first runs with my new GoPro camera, so you'll have a cockpit view!

I would rather total it on the track than sit in a parking lot on Saturday night staring at it... so I give the guy points for that at least.

WHO CARES!!! People crash all of the time. I will say the one hand technique was friggity fresh. But really who gives a hoot???

This thread is feeling a lot like lock territory. It has gotten to the point where there is little forward movement of thread.

Yes^^^