http://www.hksusa.com/info/?id=3526

http://www.hksusa.com/images_products/EVO-Exh-jdm-2.jpg

is that $825 exhaust listed the price for just the muffler section???

I think so

Yes, it is for the axleback portion. The mid-pipe just finished development and should be available shortly.

Someone here has that muffler.

saulbyu does

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4405

I want full exhaust and SSQV. I had their SSQV on my previous car and I love the sound :)

I will get the intake soon as it comes out!

I want full exhaust and SSQV. I had their SSQV on my previous car and I love the sound :)

You do plan on recirculating it, yes?

I will get the intake soon as it comes out!

Already out in Japan, shingo-san~

HKS Racing Suction Intake (http://www.hks-power.co.jp/products/intake/lineup/70020am006.html)

Yes, it is for the axleback portion. The mid-pipe just finished development and should be available shortly.

Center pipe now available in Japan!

HKS Stainless Steel Center Pipe (http://www.hks-power.co.jp/products/exhaust/centerpipe/lineup/33004am001.html)

You do plan on recirculating it, yes?
If you mean the BOV then no, it's gone with the old car. I'm gonna have to get a new one.

If you mean the BOV then no, it's gone with the old car. I'm gonna have to get a new one.

He means set it to recirculate and not vent to air :P

He means set it to recirculate and not vent to air :P
SSQV doesn't recirculate, it vents into atmosphere. And I've seen quite a few pictures of X's equipped with SSQVs. So, unless there's a specific reason to recirculate air (like with BMW 335, for example), this shouldn't make any difference.
Now, BadBoys question kind of implies that I should be recirculating. Mind explaining why? Is that because MAF sensor reading will be messed up?

Already out in Japan, shingo-san~

HKS Racing Suction Intake (http://www.hks-power.co.jp/products/intake/lineup/70020am006.html)
When is coming out to america? Badboy san~

Mind explaining why? Is that because MAF sensor reading will be messed up?

I believe so, I'm sure he will poke back in soon.

SSQV doesn't recirculate, it vents into atmosphere. And I've seen quite a few pictures of X's equipped with SSQVs. So, unless there's a specific reason to recirculate air (like with BMW 335, for example), this shouldn't make any difference.
Now, BadBoys question kind of implies that I should be recirculating. Mind explaining why? Is that because MAF sensor reading will be messed up?
When you vent to atmosphere you risk stalling out b/c you are disposing of metered air. The Evo X already runs pretty rich, I would not give up any of that precious oxygen, despite the fact that it recirculates prior to the MAF sensor, I still wouldn't do it.

SSQV doesn't recirculate, it vents into atmosphere. And I've seen quite a few pictures of X's equipped with SSQVs. So, unless there's a specific reason to recirculate air (like with BMW 335, for example), this shouldn't make any difference.
Now, BadBoys question kind of implies that I should be recirculating. Mind explaining why? Is that because MAF sensor reading will be messed up?

The very same reason we had to recirculate it on the VIIIs and IXs is the reason it needs to be recirculated on the X: the mass air flow sensor. As air passes through the mass air flow sensor it is metered by the computer to allow a corresponding amount of fuel to pass through the injectors. By allowing the charged air that is 'waiting in line' to evacuate the system and not be recirculated, there will be a gap in the 'line' and the air fuel ratio at that gap will plummet to a point that the car will bog due to the overly-rich condition. Some cars have even been known to stall at a full stop. In the VIII & IX HKS used the EIDS system to compensate for this, for those people who just had to have a songbird living under their hood. HKS also offered an alternative in the form of a recirculation kit that was specific for the CT9A. One of the reasons you don't hear the factory blowoff valve is because of the heavy presence of factory piping and the restrictive airbox. When switching to an open element filter, even though recirculated, the sound of the blow-off valve was evident.

So, a lot of people have asked me: Will doing this fuck up my car? Potentially coming to a stop and stalling at a stoplight? Blowing a big black tuft of smoke at each shift? Destroying the catalyst material in your cat converter prematurely?

There are so many reasons NOT to do the HKS SSQV blow-off valve on an Evo. There seems to be only one reason that people do it for: the sound.

But think about how foolish you'll look when you come to a stop on your big Brembos to the sound of Tweety singing and then *STALL*. As Adam Sandler said in his stand up comedy routine: They're all going to laugh at you!

When you vent to atmosphere you risk stalling out b/c you are disposing of metered air. The Evo X already runs pretty rich, I would not give up any of that precious oxygen, despite the fact that it recirculates prior to the MAF sensor, I still wouldn't do it.

It actually recirculates after the MAF sensor.

I believe so, I'm sure he will poke back in soon.

*poke* *poke* *poke*

When is coming out to america? Badboy san~

When the CARB-sans allow it to~ :bowlol:

he he he BOV arguing... rookies...

It actually recirculates after the MAF sensor.
sorry, that's what I meant to say, the air is metered prior to the BOV recirculating air into the CAI, but the ECU still does Air Fuel Ratio based on the air that is supposed to be recirculated.
And yes, the BOV is audible with a CAI. Other than the sound, I'm not sure an aftermarket BOV would serve a purpose in this car.

sorry, that's what I meant to say, the air is metered prior to the BOV recirculating air into the CAI, but the ECU still does Air Fuel Ratio based on the air that is supposed to be recirculated.
And yes, the BOV is audible with a CAI. Other than the sound, I'm not sure an aftermarket BOV would serve a purpose in this car.

a good aftermarket bov is serve they purpose not because they sound... because in higher boost level where the factory will not hold the boost. So it is not about the X ,its about the boost level.

There are so many reasons NOT to do the HKS SSQV blow-off valve on an
Not trying to argue, out of curiosity, why there are so many pictures of Xs form exhibitions with SSQVs (venting) and why is HKS offering them (well, going to offer) if they are so bad for the car?
My former car was MAP based, so recirculation was not an issue and this MAF problem is all new for me. And yes, I want my tweaty bird back :thumbup:

a good aftermarket bov is serve they purpose not because they sound... because in higher boost level where the factory will not hold the boost. So it is not about the X ,its about the boost level.
Yes, because of its design, SSQV can hold any boost level, so you don't have worry about leaking BOV.

Not trying to argue, out of curiosity, why there are so many pictures of Xs form exhibitions with SSQVs (venting) and why is HKS offering them (well, going to offer) if they are so bad for the car?
My former car was MAP based, so recirculation was not an issue and this MAF problem is all new for me. And yes, I want my tweaty bird back :thumbup:


Yes, because of its design, SSQV can hold any boost level, so you don't have worry about leaking BOV.

i find the APS dual went the best for the previous evo's. Now i will see how will wok on the X. :bowlol:

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Not trying to argue, out of curiosity, why there are so many pictures of Xs form exhibitions with SSQVs (venting) and why is HKS offering them (well, going to offer) if they are so bad for the car?

I neve said they were a bad BOV. Running one without recirculating is bad. I run a SSQV Race Valve (different than the regular SSQV) that vents to atmosphere on my '05 Evo VIII MR, but that car was modified to run on speed density rather than MAF sensor. They do offer an Evo X specific kit that recirculates. Not everyone can read Japanese though so they think just running a VTA SSQV is going to be fine, because they see other people running it. That is Lemming mentality and only proliferates the mis-information that pervades the aftermarket community.

I understand that you are new to MAF based cars, but they run on a different set of rules and it's best (and much cheaper) to follow them rather than try to make things work the way they shouldn't.

So, when the HKS SSQV kit for X's comes out, I assume it will be safe to use with recirculation and everything?

So, when the HKS SSQV kit for X's comes out, I assume it will be safe to use with recirculation and everything?
If they do, you can bet on it! :rock:
But untill i stay with the APS...

Wow! My tweaty bird is coming back! :D

oh boy ... :)

Is anyone else dissappointed that the HKS exhaust is only axle back and cost 850, which is more than all the other companies full exhaust. Is their quality that much superior in exhaust equipment as opposed to buschur, greddy, and ams? Do you get an extra 20 hp or a lifetime guarantee? I think it is over priced for a non full systme.

Is anyone else dissappointed that the HKS exhaust is only axle back and cost 850, which is more than all the other companies full exhaust. Is their quality that much superior in exhaust equipment as opposed to buschur, greddy, and ams? Do you get an extra 20 hp or a lifetime guarantee? I think it is over priced for a non full systme.

Put it this way, Buschur and AMS didn't know or see the Evo, when HKS was modding it./back in the days since Evo 1/ The Mitsubishi give EVo's to HKS before they start selling them. The FQ series using HKS parts. HKS showed up once in US and DESTROYED everybody that day on the track .And that was a first day for them to see where they will race vs home crowed.
No American or EU factory can match with HKS yet on the JDM tuner scene, period.
I know its hard to hear it but no wonder when the HKS is in the Tuner scene for JDM models since 1970's.

I hoped it helped, for the confusion.:bowlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2zQychf1Go

I understand using them on very advanced parts, but an exhaust is pretty plain jane simple. Is their exhaust worth probably 300-400 dollars more.

I understand using them on very advanced parts, but an exhaust is pretty plain jane simple. Is their exhaust worth probably 300-400 dollars more.

with that philosophy i would suggest to get one magnaflow muffler or simular from Summit racing, and go to the local exhaust shop,like Meineke .
Then have them to make one 3" exhaust for you.
That is cheaper then anything. Or instead the Magnaflow you can have just an E-bay resonated test pipe welded in./cost about $40/.

with that philosophy i would suggest to get one magnaflow muffler or simular from Summit racing, and go to the local exhaust shop,like Meineke .
Then have them to make one 3" exhaust for you.
That is cheaper then anything. Or instead the Magnaflow you can have just an E-bay resonated test pipe welded in./cost about $40/.

Ok You Made Your Point. Just needed see if my hard earned money was going to be well spent

From what I have read HKS air filters don't filter well, their axle back is over priced and over weight so ?:wtfsign: Are we just paying for the name?
I do love the look of the tips on their exhaust though.

The other exhausts look well put together as well. I have talked to several people that have buschur and ams, they are completely happy with no issues with the product. Im sure HKS is the cats meow of EVO tuning, but there has to be a few others out there that make a good quality product for not as much money. If I had unlimited money I wouldnt have gotten an EVO lol. I do love my evo though.

Buschur uses slip-fit and dual bolt compression band clamps. Not a fan.

I have a Buschur equipped Evo IX in my service department right now with fitment issues. It was banging against the drive shaft and caused an exhaust leak.

I have a friend with a Buschur built 2.0L 4G63 motor that is nothing more than a lawn ornament at the moment because apparently 5/8" crank end play is normal in a $8k Buschur motor.

And then there's the infamous BAD BISH that disappeared...

You can all piss on me all you want, but I've seen firsthand what a 'budget build' will net you on an Evo. There are people who will hail these false prophets as the reincarnation of the black Jesus and then go silent as they try to figure out how they're going to raise the money to fix their issues, but they say nothing, because it would be downright foolish to lash out at the messiah you just praised a few months back. So rather than say something, it gets swept under the rug. I've seen it happen to the CT9A community, but I simply stayed quiet and did nothing. I'm not about to let it go un-opposed here in the CZ4A community, as unpopular as it might make me.

+1

The other exhausts look well put together as well. I have talked to several people that have buschur and ams, they are completely happy with no issues with the product. Im sure HKS is the cats meow of EVO tuning, but there has to be a few others out there that make a good quality product for not as much money. If I had unlimited money I wouldnt have gotten an EVO lol. I do love my evo though.

If you think HKS is expensive, then look around more deeper in the JDM scene... Modding the car is not cheap, specially if you mis match the products . That can be lead to get less WHP and WTQ what you expected, and reability issues. The Evo is NOT a cheap maintenance car. You are on the wrong market. Since NO performance car is cheap to maintenance, specially after mods.
"If you want to play , be ready to pay" or something like that :)

In the car business wonders are dont exists. You got what you pay for.:bowlol::amen:

You can listen and learn or you can learn it a hard way. :tumbleweed:

HKS is NOT expensive at all. Not compared to the other boutique stuff out there. Look into Coltspeed intakes, ARC exhausts, AMS1000 (no, not the AMS you're thinking of) boost controllers, Kansai intake manifolds, etc... People who can afford this stuff in their cars are also the people that can afford the proper maintenance on these cars, without a hitch. You don't see these cars in horrible condition or sitting in shambles waiting for the next Jiffy Lube oil change. Again, it goes back to the oil change analogy. Would you put Dick's Gas Station Brand or Mobil 1 in your engine just because Dick's is cheaper? So who here likes Dick? =)

All kidding aside if people are going to chince out on their Evo and put a double standard on how they treat their cars in different aspects, such as the best lubricants and gas, but the cheapest drift tires, I have a dropoff box for keys here to anonymously turn-in cars. The bank might think your worthy of this car, but true Evo enthusiasts, who have more couth than I to say something, await the days of repo, total, trade-in or private sale. =).

^ +1
:bowlol::bowlol:


i see at Jason yesterday 2 evo. They are there like months now. Both is on budget build ,if you know what i mean... :ghey:
When they will run again? Who knows?
The owners are regret they decision over 10-30 % less parts price? You can bet on it.
They will post it? Highly doubt.
:amen:

I opened a can of worms on this post, but it is exactly what I wanted lol. I have no issue paying top dollar for stuff, but I want to know that it is worth it. I have paid 1.2k for a set of pirellis tires before and felt like it just paid for the name, because when i replaced them with Toyo TR1s for 800 I was super happy. The Toyos where cheaper, but I felt they where a superior product in every aspect expecially at the track. (Im not a super track star, but I could feel the difference). Im not wanting to go cheap by any means, but before I shell out the money for something that is more expensive than anyone elses product I want to know why they are superior(Not alway does the product that cost the most perform the best). (Reliability/Quality Being of Upmost Importance to Me then Performance). Thx for all the great post on this topic it has been great, and Im sorry for sounding so noobish. Ive never heard of any of these companies untill a month ago when I started looking at getting an EVO.

Oh on a side note I know HKS web post their exhaust for 850. I found it for 650 from a retail web site on the other EVO Forum. I pretty sure it is against the rules to post the site since it is not an approved vendor. 672 with tax. I didnt buy it, but sounds like a good deal me. Mid pipe probably wont cost more than 200 dollars I wouldnt think.

When looking at tires, you have to look at a lot of things. In fact, a lot more than hard parts you'd find on cars. There is treadwear, traction, temperature, tread pattern, sidewall support, etc... Pirellis vs. Toyo might be comparing apples to oranges when you're going application specific. The treadwear on the Toyo T1R is quite soft and the tread pattern might be superior to the Pirelli for track application. Me and Rob have a friend who is running on ADVAN 60 treadwear tires as daily driver with a very aggressive tread block pattern. It actually sounds like all 4 wheel bearings are humming when he drives the car. Sure, he has incredible traction, but the tires won't make it through the year for sure.

also you have to think where and for what you will use the tires.

I understand the tire stuff guys. They were in the same class and for the same purpose. Yes the treads where different with the Toyo with the more aggressive tread, but is was significantly better on track, around town, and much better with the road noise.