Hey guys don't know if this is the right area for post, but I am looking at doing a full swop on my 08 ES 4B11 to the EVO X 4B11T. I know what most people would say just buy an EVO X but In South Africa the car is not available and thanks to ridicules import duties the car would set me back R 600 000 ($ 100 000) I can buy the motor and gearbox and rework the motor, suspension, body and give more boost for half that amount, this includes new pistons, head, cams, pulleys etc.

I am basically looking for help, the only car I have owned and worked on was a 93 Vauxhall Astra 2L, so my knowledge on Japanese cars is shallow, also the tuning industry in SA is bad at best (knowledge extends to boost only with no other modifications to the car)

First off, would it be best to do the 4WD conversion, and are the wiring systems similar on these cars? Have tried to find some books on the matter but no luck, what else would I need to take over on the swop out besides the motor and gearbox?


Thanks for any info.
I am a noob at all of this.:duh:

Peace

This thread could go epic.

For an ES it would probably be easier going for the Ralliart drivetrain as it is a direct bolt on. Check with some Euro/Northern Hemisphere places as some of their lancer came out in AWD without the turbo (Russia is one I'm lead to believe). But good luck with the build

This thread could go epic.



:+1:Indeed it could

+2 very Epic lol

For an ES it would probably be easier going for the Ralliart drivetrain as it is a direct bolt on. Check with some Euro/Northern Hemisphere places as some of their lancer came out in AWD without the turbo (Russia is one I'm lead to believe). But good luck with the build

Props to you for making the only useful post in this thread thus far. :thumbup:

OP, I wouldn't look at a full evo X conversion either. Doing a RA drivetrain like speedie mentioned seems like a less convoluted and better way of going about it. You'd have to research a LOT! Nobody has done anything of this magnitude so you wouldn't find much information either, doesn't mean its impossible though. You would be experimenting as you go along.

Good luck!

I love threads like this.

"SWOP"

Thanks for the info guys, I am liking the rallyart drivetrain idea, now its time to start looking for the parts and small extras, I will keep on updating as I go along the motor, gearbox and drive train will take 6months+ to get hold of but once that's done we will rebuild the motor with a 2.2 stroker and new head.

Thanks again guys
Anymore info will be much appriciated!

Peace

I would love to see this happen, let me know if you need anything :)

Is this Pauleka's new project?

Lets see this happen!

http://a.imagehost.org/0173/epic-win.jpg

THIS WILL GO BIG!!

People are swaapping out the rear diff for older evo non acd ones which would make life easier if you can figure out with transfer case they are using. for the transmission if it is a manual then i would stick manual and just upgrade the diff pins. for suspension i would think leaning towards the ralliart would make life a lot easier.

The motor should bolt up directly to the manual gearbox. Same block mounting points.

Do the motor first and get it up and running then start thinking about the AWD aspect.

Also donor parts from the ralliart will be a better fit then then EvoX since the RalliArt and Lancer ES have the same underpinnings.

NEWB

YOUR BASICALLY GOING FOR THIS

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRrs6oTeDC63KkqmppU82kFsIVORI7gwbHgUKmOQpYWN3wwjCTQqA

:D dont give up.

I smell fail.

Also, Hot Dog, when being quoted appears as asterisks for the username.

And I'm drinking wine from a bottle.

Thanks for the feed back guys, the next question is, who would be the best to source the rallyart drivetrain, 4B11T and gearbox from. Still in good condition and well priced?

So from what i have found out and seen my biggest worry is the gearbox and the drivetrain. Would this be a direct bolt-on or am i going to have extras made or addapted?

Thanks for the feed back guys, the next question is, who would be the best to source the rallyart drivetrain, 4B11T and gearbox from. Still in good condition and well priced?

The junkyard is probably your best source unless you want to purchase brand new. If you purchase brand new, you might as well buy a new car.

There is no point in this thread. Never going to happen even if you have the money and the parts. evo x has twice as many sensors as the es. The ecu's are diffrent and if you do manage to swap them you will need to have immoblizer reconfigured hopefully that will pan out. This issue was never will it fit. The stock 5 speed from the es bolts right to the 4b11t block. However the electronics are going to be the hold up. Your going to spend twice the cost of the motor in re-wiring work just to have it run. Your going to have to tune it, Then your going to break something because thats what happenes when you reinvent the wheel. All said and done 10k+ and your going to be really disappointed. Want a awd drive monster find a used eclipse gsx and have fun.

cant you get an older evo? sounds like a waste, theres gotta be a better option

There is no point in this thread. Never going to happen even if you have the money and the parts. evo x has twice as many sensors as the es. The ecu's are diffrent and if you do manage to swap them you will need to have immoblizer reconfigured hopefully that will pan out. This issue was never will it fit. The stock 5 speed from the es bolts right to the 4b11t block. However the electronics are going to be the hold up. Your going to spend twice the cost of the motor in re-wiring work just to have it run. Your going to have to tune it, Then your going to break something because thats what happenes when you reinvent the wheel. All said and done 10k+ and your going to be really disappointed. Want a awd drive monster find a used eclipse gsx and have fun.

He's not in America... the Evo costs $100K where he is according to him, so if he can get it all done for $10K, that's a deal. I think it'll cost considerably more though.

Ok here is a short break down of how imports work in South Africa, you can only get a car from a licensed importer, now what people charge for cars from the USA is the same from the UK, this is because of the Right hand drive conversion and the extra shipping, South Africa does not allow Pre Owned imports at all, So let’s go with the UK EVO X, 36,800 Pounds Times that by 13 add 40% for import duties and an extra 14% for vat, So you get your Amount R 763,526 divide by 8 and you get dollars, $ 98,849 this excludes shipping! Now when you import car parts it’s a 15% duty charge and no VAT, if you find the right guys its even cheaper. So even if a full convert costs me $ 50,000 it’s still half the cost.

So basically what I am looking for is

2010/2011 4B11T FQ400
6 Speed SST Gearbox
ECU
Wiring Harnesses
(From The Same Vehicle)
Rally art Drivetrain
(Also From The 6 Speed SST)

So would you guys recommend the SST Gearbox Or the Manual 5 Speed?


I know the cost is going to be high, i am also doing this for a unique car.

I know the cost is going to be high, i am also doing this for a unique car.

Building a Lancer into a Lancer Ralliart is building a Lancer into a Lancer Ralliart, which makes it as unique as..... a Lancer Ralliart...

usually i let the bullshit slide but this time, shut the fuck up guys. seriously. the guy cant afford an evo x and is doing something different. this is a perfect display of evo owners on there high horses. do it dude. it most definatly wont be as easy as you think, but you will learn alot and the end result will be sweet

usually i let the bullshit slide but this time, shut the fuck up guys. seriously. the guy cant afford an evo x and is doing something different. this is a perfect display of evo owners on there high horses. do it dude. it most definatly wont be as easy as you think, but you will learn alot and the end result will be sweet

Bro, seriously, thanks for letting it slide bro.

usually i let the bullshit slide but this time, shut the fuck up guys. seriously. the guy cant afford an evo x and is doing something different. this is a perfect display of evo owners on there high horses. do it dude. it most definatly wont be as easy as you think, but you will learn alot and the end result will be sweet
AWESOME LMAO , good luck with the build

I would say if you have the cash do do it, and you can't buy and EVO. Do it. Don't let these other guys bring you down. Just know that it's going to be alot of headache...

Hi Osiris Fellow South African.

Here is what you do. Ad a turbo kit like me then get the AWD system from an outlander and bolt that up, it fits straight of the bat seeing that the outlander has the 4b12 motor in it. Our model is the GLS its the same as the 08 GTS in the states.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/almighty_tuna/revival.jpg

And for all the EVO/ Raliart blokes who tells us to buy another car or this is as unique as a raliart please keep your comments to yourself seeing that we dont get those models in South Africa and thus its a very unique build for us.

08 gts are 4b11 but i did a 4b11 to 4b12 swap and tranny bolted right on

Osiris,

If you want a good advice, the best way to convert your car into a ralliart, is by getting a Ralliart.

Like another fellow "forumer" just said, there a lot of sensors to get the engine/car running, and by buying stuff separately, you will surely always miss one, and you will spend years in sourcing your parts or finding why your car does not work.

The idea is: 1) Check if in your place how to import a "scrap" car without taxes (in some countries like in Malaysia you need to cut the car in two)

2) Source for a scrapped Ralliart that still running , or, like some crazy dudes do, buy a cheap Ralliart and ask a junk yard to cut it in half (RIP) :(

3) Bring it all back to South Africa and start your conversion.

This is THE ONLY chance to make it work, go any other way and your car will never work again.

Trust me, I have done my shares of conversion and know what it is (Converted an Escort XR3i in RS Turbo, and Auto Integra into a Type R)

Good luck with your project.

P.S. Japanese are very familiar with cutting cars in half in the case you might be wondering.

You South Africans have such cool screennames.

You South Americans have such cool screennames.

I'm from Spain ;)

I meant to say South Africans but my phone assumed I wanted to say uhhmerica, and I wasn't referring to you, yours is average at best.

Your a noob at this, but are deciding to do a full swap... thats no bueno

I say go for it is always going to be cheaper to just get the tranny than the whole car im guessing (wild guess ) ur conversion shouldnt run u more than 5 to 10k plus 17 for the car is not bad dont forger ra are sstvnot manual so try to get an outlander or evo tranny

At coco loco how did u turn a teggy into a type r? Lots of stickers?jk

The best local way for him to do this is to get an outlander trans and AWD system. We dont have raliarts here plus the outlander and raliart systems are very similar. And we pay taxes on importing Car spares into the country as well. So if he has a look for an outlander system its pritty much plug and play. If he intends to do a raliart engine swop then i would simply suggest adding a Turbo kit to his car like I have. ( lol im giving all my plans away cause that is what i wanted to do. lol)

Cocoloco as for your gutting a car idea, yes he would get the additional sensors. However if he installs a Tubro kit on his car he ads alot of them in anyway. the only missing ones are from the AWD system and that he can get from an outlander without all the issues of gutting a car and importing it at great cost.

I have researched this seeing that i wanted to do the same thing. And thus i started by doing the motor first and now run a 250-260 WHP lancer, Just by adding an evo turbo kit, installed 2k $ including evo cams that i just ordered, which this is more powerful than a raliart. And has the same engine integrity.

I meant to say South Africans but my phone assumed I wanted to say uhhmerica, and I wasn't referring to you, yours is average at best.

Damn, I must have been very tired last night, I read south American. LOL

I deserve the big L right now,, hey hey

At coco loco how did u turn a teggy into a type r? Lots of stickers?jk

I bought the whole car from Japan, striped the car(Including wiring) and put it all in.

My car was already a DC2, so putting all the type R's parts, having it just next door was a piece of cake ;)

This is why I highly recommended the OP to go that way, specially for a car with such amount of tricky parts like those from the latest Lancers.

The best local way for him to do this is to get an outlander trans and AWD system. We dont have raliarts here plus the outlander and raliart systems are very similar. And we pay taxes on importing Car spares into the country as well. So if he has a look for an outlander system its pritty much plug and play. If he intends to do a raliart engine swop then i would simply suggest adding a Turbo kit to his car like I have. ( lol im giving all my plans away cause that is what i wanted to do. lol)

Cocoloco as for your gutting a car idea, yes he would get the additional sensors. However if he installs a Tubro kit on his car he ads alot of them in anyway. the only missing ones are from the AWD system and that he can get from an outlander without all the issues of gutting a car and importing it at great cost.

I have researched this seeing that i wanted to do the same thing. And thus i started by doing the motor first and now run a 250-260 WHP lancer, Just by adding an evo turbo kit, installed 2k $ including evo cams that i just ordered, which this is more powerful than a raliart. And has the same engine integrity.

Wow, you guys pay taxes for scraped parts? Jeeee, this is really bad.

In this case, the turbo kit might indeed the only way for you guys.

Good luck on your build.

+1 on find a used eclipse gsx and then do a turbo swap to the Evo X turbo...the whole lancer es idea sounds like it will be an expensive/virtually impossible/most likely fail realistically...good luck!

ok our version of the lancer is the GLS its the same spec as the 2008/2009 GTS in the states.

As for the eclipse, i think we would have loved to do that exept that we dont get that model here....

The Swop is realistic and can be done maybe not the way he would like to do it with the Evo motor and even with that its possible.

AWD is simple we can just ad the AWD system from the outlander and it bolts up to our cars straight away no mods.


+1 on find a used eclipse gsx and then do a turbo swap to the Evo X turbo...the whole lancer es idea sounds like it will be an expensive/virtually impossible/most likely fail realistically...good luck!

I say do but make sure u also do a tread with lots of pics

Do it for epicness!

Ok here is a short break down of how imports work in South Africa, you can only get a car from a licensed importer, now what people charge for cars from the USA is the same from the UK, this is because of the Right hand drive conversion and the extra shipping, South Africa does not allow Pre Owned imports at all, So let’s go with the UK EVO X, 36,800 Pounds Times that by 13 add 40% for import duties and an extra 14% for vat, So you get your Amount R 763,526 divide by 8 and you get dollars, $ 98,849 this excludes shipping! Now when you import car parts it’s a 15% duty charge and no VAT, if you find the right guys its even cheaper. So even if a full convert costs me $ 50,000 it’s still half the cost.

So basically what I am looking for is

2010/2011 4B11T FQ400
6 Speed SST Gearbox
ECU
Wiring Harnesses
(From The Same Vehicle)
Rally art Drivetrain
(Also From The 6 Speed SST)

So would you guys recommend the SST Gearbox Or the Manual 5 Speed?


I know the cost is going to be high, i am also doing this for a unique car.

The SST will not take the power of the FQ400(the gearbox is wired into the ECU-any overboost etc and your car will be in limp mode). And due to its rarity, you probably wont get an FQ400 engine either.

mate, you have got your work cut out!! is your Lancer FWD? if it is, you will need to cut and fabricate TX tunnels in your chassis, you'll need prop drive shafts etc etc....

I will sell you a 2008 FQ330 GSR 26k miles RHD for 16k GBP or 17K euros if you want? Ill break it all down and mail it!!! it will be well cheaper than doing what you are thinking of. Whats the rule on shipping in second-hand car parts??

Thanks for the info guys, I am liking the rallyart drivetrain idea, now its time to start looking for the parts and small extras, I will keep on updating as I go along the motor, gearbox.

keep us in the loop

Spikster603 since you were offering to break down your FQ330 to sell to this guy I have a question -does the FQ330 come with the Ralliart main sport muffler axle back? If so, would you be interested in selling the muffler :)?

PM me.

Thanks!

The SST will not take the power of the FQ400(the gearbox is wired into the ECU-any overboost etc and your car will be in limp mode). And due to its rarity, you probably wont get an FQ400 engine either.

mate, you have got your work cut out!! is your Lancer FWD? if it is, you will need to cut and fabricate TX tunnels in your chassis, you'll need prop drive shafts etc etc....

I will sell you a 2008 FQ330 GSR 26k miles RHD for 16k GBP or 17K euros if you want? Ill break it all down and mail it!!! it will be well cheaper than doing what you are thinking of. Whats the rule on shipping in second-hand car parts??

Hi Spike, would you sell the original ECU? Got a FQ300 and want to go for the 330 upgrade.

Buzz me.

where'd the OP go...?? I hear what everyone is saying, but since the guy is a noob and this is a MAJOR job...I can only say you're crazy and good luck. I assume he realizes he is going to spend a boat load of money. But who can put a price on enjoying a hobby...

I think the ralliart avenue seems like the best way to go...

U understand that noob in a forum has nothing to do with auto knowledge right ?

Spikster603 since you were offering to break down your FQ330 to sell to this guy I have a question -does the FQ330 come with the Ralliart main sport muffler axle back? If so, would you be interested in selling the muffler :)?

PM me.

Thanks!

Hi mate, no the FQ330 and 360 are made by HKS and have as stock a HKS full exhaust super dragger, but trust me you dont want it, you will be so disapointed, it sounds no sportier than a stock evo x exhaust.:duh: even when on full boost. Ive just Ordered an exhaust made by TSL. It is the best sounding exhaust, gives highest power gains and believe it or not its one of the cheapest. Get one of those mate.:shades:

U understand that noob in a forum has nothing to do with auto knowledge right ?[/QUOT

yeah WTF does noob mean?? how can i get rid of??

[quote=Cocoloco;805556]Hi Spike, would you sell the original ECU? Got a FQ300 and want to go for the 330 upgrade.

Buzz me.

Hi there, no sorry im not breaking the car as it all works and is on the road. I only offered to break it for 17k as the guy who wants to do the transplant on his lancer really wanted an evo x engine, gearbox etc.

MoTec do a good ECU called M800. Its a bit expensive though:duh: but it deletes the MAF etc... and its plug n play. It is made to look exactly the same as the OEM one, and mitsi cant even see it when they plug it in to diagnostics machine.:rock:so your warranty would be safe.

Its really good im saving for one too, has even anti-lag, launch control etc...and as im a british soldier living in germany i get everything tax free. :dancebanana:http://www.motec.com.au/latestnews/EvoXECU/

Wouldn't it just be easier to order all the evo x engine parts, Evo x block, Evo x header, BC stroker kit , Evo x crank , arp head studs, Evo x intake manifold, and install all that at once with a turbo kit. Of course before doing all that if you have a cvt transmission you would either need to wait until bullet proof cvt transmissions come out or cvt mods come out or you can do a fwd manual tranny swap or get a rwd manual tranny and possibly convert to rwd but thats a hole diff story personally I like fwd its agile and fast. Levelten.com said they also like the cvt transmission and will be working on a bullet proof cvt tranny this year. rrm and mitsubishi are working on a stronger cvt belt to withstand the high forced induction pressure. I also contacted jatco to see if they will be making any type of reinforced bullet proof belt for our cvt transmission to withstand high forced induction applications. And of course it would help to get stronger cv joints, differentials and axles from thedriveshaftshop.com getting stronger custom axles would cost $800. total of all this would cost less then getting an evo or doing this swop atleast this is what I plan to do. But if anything I support your idea 100% I to was thinking about this procedure if you're half way in it keep on going and if it comes out successfully guess who is doing this procedure also me <---- ! But I am still going to stick with the n/a 4b11 build up into a 4b11t engine because taking everything out changing drivetrain is way to complicated our n/a 4b11 is basically the same as the 08 4b11T the n/a 4b11 just has weaker internals because our car didn't come with a forced induction system I bet If you take out a turbo from an 08 evo you would have a 160 hp n/a evo lol. I plan to just buy all the 08 evo x internals and engine keep it inside my house, buy a big safe to keep it in just in case any criminals wanna get gully lol. And while I have all the evo x engine internals and parts, First steps are to get a bullet proof cvt transmission or stronger cvt mods so the transmission can handle 15 - 18 lbs of forced induction when ever it comes out I'll get that and 2nd step is to get stronger custom axles, stronger differentials, stronger cv joints built for me and then build up the engine with evo x engine drive train parts and reinforce the motor mounts, then add 15 or 18 lbs turbo and that would be the end of the story. I hope to get 250 - 300 hp and 300 torque.

Scratch my fabrication blue print plan lol. I did research and our beast engine is way different from the other beast evo engine 4b11t adding evo x internals and drive train parts wouldn't work. Honestly with all this money ur trying to do Id just get an h22 or h23 or any older engine that doesn't have all this new technology with computer chips ecu and bullshit and just do a swap with an h22 or h23 or any older engine that has good stock hp and torque and has millions of build up options like lego and I bet this would be the most easiest thing to install I am going to do this after getting stronger custom axles. cv joints and get a bullet proof tranny from levelten.com . Or you can just wait till stronger blocks, intake manifolds, forged pistons and piston rings that are designed for our n/a 4b11 to come out into production from rrm.com and hopefully brian crower would give it a go if he really gives a sh1t or gets bored after creating everything for an evo and has noting to do lol :rock: But If I had the money you actually have to buy everything to do this project Id just get h22, or h23 or any engine that has millions of build up options like lego and doesn't have all these computer chips ecus new technology b/s and then get stronger engine mounts that fit that engine then get a bullet proof honda tranny from levelten.com , and last but not least stronger custom fabricated axles and cv joints . now this sounds more logic I would say.

This thread could go epic.

:+1:

he just asked what to do to make a lancer an evo... this might be the first forum to have every person comment on it.

What type of budged are you working with, I might be able to help you import a 08 gsr, PM if interested.

[QUOTE=villero1834;810662]U understand that noob in a forum has nothing to do with auto knowledge right ?[/QUOTE

no...but thanks for pointing that out to me. You understand that this is plain retarded?

i dont think its retarded , i have a 4b12 at 12 psi at the moment for way under $20k , lets just assume that i trow another $5k on a evox transmition ( not counting the $ i make selling my oem stuff)i will have an awd car thats probably pushing close to 300 whp ( so far my 4b12 is stock , i even have my plastic intake manifold) with another $1k on engine parts , like intake manifold , 6g tb , fuel pump and rail from a evox and evo cams. So lets say $26 k for a 300 whp Manual transmition awd lancer , lets not forget way lighter thatn most lancers being a es trim. and how much is the RA...and does it come with the MT option... ohhh no , so if i want a 9g manual transmition awd car i would have to buy a evo x grs , and how much is that (+$30k ) well im saving money with that and also the insurance is way cheaper and you will be driving a hell of a car + unique.

not saying that i preffer that over an evo , but for some of us is nt that easy , and if i can get an evox because my insurance rate will go sky high then ill do my best to get close to one ;)