Has anyone tried the AGP Cold air intake system

I know replacing the factory airbox with the AMS intake system, especially when doing an ECU tune can cause problems because of the heat under the hood. Seems like this product will help with that. Anyone hear or try this product yet? I am worried about water being sucked through the intake- it seems the filter is tucked pretty deep in the fender.

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I want to know as well. I don't think water will get sucked up there.

yea i got it installed on my X and yea the filter in pretty well tucked up under there!! might be a problem if drove in the rain!! i wont be driving mine in bad weather so... but def gets cooler air flow down there!!

Can someone post a pick of the actual filter location? I was thinking about making an airduct from the front left bumper to the air filter on my AMS setup.

Oh I got a question for GSR owners in the US. Do you have grills in the front left bumper (fog light location) or do you have just a cover plate with no vents? In Japan the RS & SST models only came with the grill and the 5speed GSR came with a cover plate. I ordered the grill from Mitsubishi ($28 USD) and plan on making an airduct from there to the air filter.

My previous car was an 06 eclipse. I had a cold air intake and lowered the car. As far as sucking up water... I never had trouble and I live in the tropical rainy south FL. It's really hard to hydrolock a car from my first hand expeirence. To get a signifigant amount of water that would just burn out before it even gets to the engine, the filter has to be completely submurged while reving the engine. My friend driving his eclipse with the same set-up through a puddle where the street dipped down and the water came up 3/4 the hieght of the wheel. The car at idle just choked and took off the soaked filter.. and stalled. We rolled the car out... eveythring was fine for the ride home. Little point there is that the enigne generate doesnt generate enough pressure to suck water through... it'll just die from no air.

However... those are on NA cars. I don't have enough experience with a boosted car to give any decent info. I could imagine any water mixin with oil in that turbo is a big no no.

As far as CAI's go, I heard some temp differences between a ram and cai can differ up to 60* I dont know how credible that is...

I haven't been around the evo community enough to purchase that intake. I have seen some incredible gains from some ram intakes that replace the turbo inlet piping. The FMIC can be upgraded to help cool and compress the incoming air... Which seems like the safest and most effcient method of gaining HP.

Check out the Colt Speed one. I dont know when it is coming out but it really looks nice and im sure it will be the highest quality.

Check out the Colt Speed one. I dont know when it is coming out but it really looks nice and im sure it will be the highest quality.

Yes, it will be a pretty penny as well!

Yes, it will be a pretty penny as well!

Alot of times the you get what u pay for. The Colt speed one looks incredible and I bet with the way it is made you wont have any issues at all. It looks made to work in any condition.

@davidiii (http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/member.php?u=1556) - I removed the link you posted since it was a link to a non-approved merchant. Also, I moved the thread to performance.

Anyway, to answer your question - I'm always hesitant to run true CAIs for the water issue. I've seen many hydrolocked motors in my day, and it's just not worth the extra 4hp to me.

yeah thats what i'm thinking- if i may ask Kooldino, what setup do you have?

@davidiii (http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/member.php?u=1556) - Anyway, to answer your question - I'm always hesitant to run true CAIs for the water issue. I've seen many hydrolocked motors in my day, and it's just not worth the extra 4hp to me.

Just go with a simple intake, no need for a cold air in our application!

I don't have any pipes yet. However, I'll probably end up with something like this:

http://jnztuning.net/shop/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=305_315&products_id=802

Has anyone seen or know where I can find a dyno sheet for the AGP CAI. Because I am from texas and it is already reached the low 100's plus hardly any rain so I was going to go with this setup.

Maybe email them or try their website?

AGP website is under renovation! ha...I just emailed them to see if they have any supporting documents like dyno sheets. I'll update as soon as i hear a response....

Update- google AGP racing..click on first link..then click AGP turbos logo...they state on their website- "On a bone stock car, we were able to pick up 30ft/lbs of torque and 25whp because of the cooler charge air, less restriction, and the intake allows the engine to naturally lean out an average of .5 on the Air Fuel Meter. This is an excellent first modification on every Evolution X, and it allows fitment for our soon to be released turbo upgrade kit. " To each his own...

AGP isnt the EBAY shop is it? Their prices seem a little to good to be really good quality. Just a question I dont know

I don't base quality just because it sells stuff on ebay. So does agency power. I can't imagine that it is that difficult to fabricate a CAI especially when you have the equipment, so maybe they are trying to sell more at a less price than less at a high price. But thanks for posting those numbers for me. I guess I overlooked them on the website

I know everyone on both forums is always saying stay away from the ebay shops. I cant imagine all those people being wrong.

My previous car was an 06 eclipse. I had a cold air intake and lowered the car. As far as sucking up water... I never had trouble and I live in the tropical rainy south FL. It's really hard to hydrolock a car from my first hand expeirence. To get a signifigant amount of water that would just burn out before it even gets to the engine, the filter has to be completely submurged while reving the engine. My friend driving his eclipse with the same set-up through a puddle where the street dipped down and the water came up 3/4 the hieght of the wheel. The car at idle just choked and took off the soaked filter.. and stalled. We rolled the car out... eveythring was fine for the ride home. Little point there is that the enigne generate doesnt generate enough pressure to suck water through... it'll just die from no air.

However... those are on NA cars. I don't have enough experience with a boosted car to give any decent info. I could imagine any water mixin with oil in that turbo is a big no no.

As far as CAI's go, I heard some temp differences between a ram and cai can differ up to 60* I dont know how credible that is...

I haven't been around the evo community enough to purchase that intake. I have seen some incredible gains from some ram intakes that replace the turbo inlet piping. The FMIC can be upgraded to help cool and compress the incoming air... Which seems like the safest and most effcient method of gaining HP.


wait so which are cooler. Ram or CAI?

CAI but the cool air will go through the hot turbo first which negates any gains from cool air. I would say they produce the same gains on this car. I would take which ever is cheaper even though the CAI looks better. But AGP just needs to make this available in matte black now for the sleeper look. To get the benefits of cool air you will need an upgraded intercooler.

i know that. BUt compared to ram air which is better? Ram gets outside air right which is also cool. DOes ram run into the same problem running through the turbo then?

Trying not to be off topic, but the drop ins are making as much power as all the ETS, AMS, Buschur intakes. The drop in numbers are anywhere from 12 to 27hp. Which is truely all u will get from these 200 dollar plus intakes. AMS quoted 45hp but that was with mbc which probably made up 35 of the hp. In import tuner mag the AMS intake made 11.7 hp. HKS has pretty conservative numbers and thier dropin made 12-16hp and I found it for 32 dollars. Works made 27hp but cost 150 they have dyno run to back it up, but people can get dynos to read anything.

true.. i would imagine however that the sound of the turbo and bov would sound much better resonating off a metal tube than the stock rubber right? when you put the drop it the sound didnt change did it dcasandman?

I kinda wanna get this system if it is as good as they say. Does anyone have it? How is it? For all you experts out there, is it risky to have this? Will it endanger my car Living in a rainy area? Will it damage my turbo?

true.. i would imagine however that the sound of the turbo and bov would sound much better resonating off a metal tube than the stock rubber right? when you put the drop it the sound didnt change did it dcasandman?

I hear the turbo spool a little more a low rpm,but not significant. I dont really care about the sound though. I like it to be stealthy as possible inside and outside the car. Im just was wondering why pay 200 dollars for a product, which I do think some of them are really nice, when u can get same hp bump without any modification of your car for 40 dollars. Now I uderstand it if you are going to tune and add alot more mods, but if intake is your first the dropins seem to be flowing and gaining just as much.

i have the ams and i can hear the turbo and bov loud and clear.

i have the ams and i can hear the turbo and bov loud and clear.
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AMS one is amazing

I just dropped in the HKS hybrid filter. Its a nice little mod.. I dont really know if it's gains are signifigant. 27whp is a retarded advertisement for a drop in filter. I dont care what their dyno says...its their dyno. Until I see some one else's dyno, that is a plain faulty number.

In my humble opinion, the benefits of a CAI on our cars do not out weigh the risks you take with it.

I would bet money that a CAI is useless on a turbo car. Just get a shorty and be done with it.

I just dropped in the HKS hybrid filter. Its a nice little mod.. I dont really know if it's gains are signifigant. 27whp is a retarded advertisement for a drop in filter. I dont care what their dyno says...its their dyno. Until I see some one else's dyno, that is a plain faulty number.

In my humble opinion, the benefits of a CAI on our cars do not out weigh the risks you take with it.

I dont think buschur, ams, etc. have bad products. Im just saying that AMS when dyno yeilded 11hp in a tuner mag. The HKS filter has been dynoed at 12-16hp for just a drop in and it only cost 32 dollars plus shipping. I dont think anyone can honestly say that you can feel a 10-15hp bump. Now if u do it for bling or sound thats a different story, which I will admitt I will eventually give into the bling factor. I would just rather spend money on intercooler, exhaust, IC pipes, and a tune before 300 on an intake that yeilds same performance as a dropin. There is a moderator that on the other forum that dynoed the works and got 9hp increase, which sounds pretty realistic.

I would bet money that a CAI is useless on a turbo car. Just get a shorty and be done with it.


why useless?

I dont think buschur, ams, etc. have bad products. Im just saying that AMS when dyno yeilded 11hp in a tuner mag. The HKS filter has been dynoed at 12-16hp for just a drop in and it only cost 32 dollars plus shipping. I dont think anyone can honestly say that you can feel a 10-15hp bump. Now if u do it for bling or sound thats a different story, which I will admitt I will eventually give into the bling factor. I would just rather spend money on intercooler, exhaust, IC pipes, and a tune before 300 on an intake that yeilds same performance as a dropin. There is a moderator that on the other forum that dynoed the works and got 9hp increase, which sounds pretty realistic.

You got it right, but I think the RAM intakes that replace all the piping to the compressor are more free flowing and unleash more HP than any drop in. But as you acknowledged with someone's dyno... no drop in air filter would yeild that much hp. About 10 is right, thats where mistubishi defines the line of production costs and gains to enhance the vehicle.

why useless?
The intercooler is what cools and compresses the air that enters into to the engine. Like said previously... turbo's run extremely hot. Drafting in air from outside would just get re-heated as it passes through the turbo. I doubt there would be much of a temperature decreses in air flowing through the upper intercooler pipe from a RAM intake or CAI.

You got it right, but I think the RAM intakes that replace all the piping to the compressor are more free flowing and unleash more HP than any drop in. But as you acknowledged with someone's dyno... no drop in air filter would yeild that much hp. About 10 is right, thats where mistubishi defines the line of production costs and gains to enhance the vehicle.


The intercooler is what cools and compresses the air that enters into to the engine. Like said previously... turbo's run extremely hot. Drafting in air from outside would just get re-heated as it passes through the turbo. I doubt there would be much of a temperature decreses in air flowing through the upper intercooler pipe from a RAM intake or CAI.



o duh. So then it doesn't even matter at all. More suction is better regardless. My question is then is this... Why do people like coltspeed charge over 1000 dollars just for a box around an intake that supposedly cools the air? So it is best to get $80 buschur short ram and then spend more on an intercooler and piping?

I think those espensive airboxes come in handy when you are starting to tune the car and are trying to lean out AFRs with a tune. The car will only allow certain AFRs with stock tune no matter what intake you place. Some of the Intakes can trick it some, but can only get so lean. With the new factory reflashes you are seeing less and less gains from intakes alone.

o duh. So then it doesn't even matter at all. More suction is better regardless. My question is then is this... Why do people like coltspeed charge over 1000 dollars just for a box around an intake that supposedly cools the air? So it is best to get $80 buschur short ram and then spend more on an intercooler and piping?

People who have the money would spend it. For an intake i would look into something that repalces stock tubing as well.. not just a cone attatchment. You will find more pleasure in spending less on the intake and having money to spend on intercooler piping. As for the ARC box and colst speed intake.. they look pretty so thats what people want. I can't see the numbers pulled out from each being that different than an intake you can buy for 300 or less.

The intercooler is what cools and compresses the air that enters into to the engine. Like said previously... turbo's run extremely hot. Drafting in air from outside would just get re-heated as it passes through the turbo. I doubt there would be much of a temperature decreses in air flowing through the upper intercooler pipe from a RAM intake or CAI.


Bingo.

The intercooler is what cools and compresses the air that enters into to the engine. Like said previously... turbo's run extremely hot. Drafting in air from outside would just get re-heated as it passes through the turbo. I doubt there would be much of a temperature decreses in air flowing through the upper intercooler pipe from a RAM intake or CAI.

The colder your intake temps start off, the colder they'll end up post-intercooler.

Cobb Tuning has a sweet looking intake, but have yet to post any prices. Actually all their stuff looks awsome, and the exhaust is insane looking. Didnt thing I would like quad echaust but lloks sweet. Back on topic though their intake looks alot like colts just without the carbon fiber bling

The colder your intake temps start off, the colder they'll end up post-intercooler.

While this may be true you have to take into account that the CAI is still only drawing in air at the ambient temperature in the atmosphere at best.

Now if the EVO's front end and intake system was designed correctly fresh ambient air should be circulating around and into the intake anyway at speed, thus negating any of the benefits of the CAI.

i have a 07 Mitsu Eclipse gt...With an Injen CAI...and my car is lowered about 1-2 inches ...Never had any problems with water in the intake..(make sure you don't get a AfterMarket Front bumper)...i think if your interesed in this...check out where the filter will sit...and i can tell you the place where the filter sits in my car is about impossible for water to get into...and i also live in FL....you just have to take care not haul ass through ANY puddles...and also my intake is on the driver side...so most puddles are always on the passanger sides of the roads...

But i bigger concern for me...was that i always thought Turbo engines run hotter then normal engines.. so having a short ram intake would be a concern from the hot under the hood temps..

Cobb Tuning has a sweet looking intake, but have yet to post any prices. Actually all their stuff looks awsome, and the exhaust is insane looking. Didnt thing I would like quad echaust but lloks sweet. Back on topic though their intake looks alot like colts just without the carbon fiber bling


can you send a link to cobb exhaust?

Alright, had to make a new account, mine got dropped in the crash... Anyway...

To answer everyones questions, the AGP CAI does add what they say, or close to it. I wish when I was dynoing my car we printed out a bone stock and everything, but I didn't, so my bad. I picked up 23 hp and 27 tq after adding the CAI. After putting the intake on, you will notice a pick up right away in power.

*NOTE* - DO NOT RUN THIS CAI WITHOUT TUNING THE CAR.... well, unless you have a cat delete pipe in already. After adding the CAI, the fuel had to be richened up a fair ammount. Your car will hate you if you don't get it tuned.

On a final note, a little off topic, but after AGP CAI and ECUTek reflash and some tuning, My X is pushing 265.9 AWHP on an aussie Dynameter Dyno and 93 pump gas.