I wonder if anyone is crazy enough to try launching the car with SST transmission by doing a neutral drop from 5000 or more RPM?

I will not be trying this, just curious if anyone out there is nuts enough to have done this :)

Keith

Well, while I was in Germany at the Nurburg ring a German man approached me saying he is the engineer that works for Getrag who is personally responsible for 'designing' the luanch function on the sst box. He said he also worked on the creep function for it. I unfortunatly havent since had a chance to try it because I crashed it on my 5th lap, and that was over 2 months ago and i'm still waiting for it to be repaired.

bugger! :S were you pushing quite hard and crashed? what were the circumstances?..

Well, while I was in Germany at the Nurburg ring a German man approached me saying he is the engineer that works for Getrag who is personally responsible for 'designing' the luanch function on the sst box. He said he also worked on the creep function for it. I unfortunatly havent since had a chance to try it because I crashed it on my 5th lap, and that was over 2 months ago and i'm still waiting for it to be repaired.

That sucks! But if I were to crash my car I would want it to happen on the ring and take lots of pictures of it :thumbup:

I'm curious if the engineer talked about the limits the sst was designed for? The delay on take off takes some getting used to.

hey i crashed mine after 3 days i brought the car here proof. Somehow i lost traction on the highway

i found out if you launch the GSR at red line w/o ASC (i think thats it..) that ALL 4 tires will spin (but only on really wet roads OR mud hehe)

hey i crashed mine after 3 days i brought the car here proof. Somehow i lost traction on the highway


whos them people in the car??

Those are depressing pics. Sorry to see that!

Well, while I was in Germany at the Nurburg ring a German man approached me saying he is the engineer that works for Getrag who is personally responsible for 'designing' the luanch function on the sst box. He said he also worked on the creep function for it. I unfortunatly havent since had a chance to try it because I crashed it on my 5th lap, and that was over 2 months ago and i'm still waiting for it to be repaired.

Wished you would have asked him how much Hp and Tq you could mod your car up to before you blew the transmission out.

I wonder if anyone is crazy enough to try launching the car with SST transmission by doing a neutral drop from 5000 or more RPM?

I will not be trying this, just curious if anyone out there is nuts enough to have done this :)

Keith

Not me, no way. My car only has 33 miles on it.

If i were to have a car accident, the ring wouldn't be a bad place to crash

Not me, no way. My car only has 33 miles on it.

Thank you for being the first and only person to answer on topic!

Keith

Uh...so if you do that too much in a manual, it'll burn the clutch right? Well since our MR's are programmed to protect the transmission...not much will happen? i.e. SLOWDOWN message on the screen? I can tell you one thing, I'm not afraid to admit that I DON'T have the balls to try this... ;-)

verkion

Uh...so if you do that too much in a manual, it'll burn the clutch right? Well since our MR's are programmed to protect the transmission...not much will happen? i.e. SLOWDOWN message on the screen? I can tell you one thing, I'm not afraid to admit that I DON'T have the balls to try this... ;-)

verkion

A "neutral drop" is something that people do in a rental car (or their moms car as a teen) with a traditional automatic transmission... tends to make bits of the auto tranny fall out on the ground if you do it too many times :)

Main reason I asked was the seeming lack of knowledge in the car testing community (lots of British TV, and US magazines) about launch control made me wonder how they were launching the car.

The one that bothered me most was I believe a 5th gear (not Top gear) vid of the EVO X MR vs a Subaru STi in the rain down a slalom, e-brake turn around the last cone, and back through the slalom. The guy driving had no clue at all how to drive the X MR. No launch control used, not in S-Sport, shifted himself, complained that it got confused when he tried to downshift while doing the e-brake turn... stupid bastard!

Here is how he should have done it.... launch control to start, as soon as car is hauling ass turn ASC back on, leaving gear box in D and S-Sport... wiggle through slalom like a rally god no matter how shitty a driver you are.... slow down for final e-brake turn and the f'ing thing shifts itself into 1st becase S-sport downshifts so agressively.... do the e-brake turn and slalom back to the finish once again like a rally god dispite your horrible driving skills thanks to the car being smarter than you are.

Keith

hey i crashed mine after 3 days i brought the car here proof. Somehow i lost traction on the highway
This needs it's own thread because we want details . Sorry to see this happened already. Back on topic.

whos them people in the car??

my lil brother n my best friend. we got bored waiting for the tow truck lol

to get back on track- I don't know about most people, but my car is like my kids/babys. (I don't have any real kids). I take care of them, bath them, feed them (which is getting expensive as hell with gas prices), buy them things and toys. Doing a neutral drop is like putting your kid under the supervision of brittany spears or michael jackson, or Eddie Griffin- everyone remember the Enzo crash?? Are you INSANE? A Neutral Drop? Call child services cause that's abuse!!

Call child services cause that's abuse!! In some states - such as Arizona, Child Services is legal abuse.

If i were to have a car accident, the ring wouldn't be a bad place to crash

Until you go there. The ring would be the last place I would want to crash. Only second to off a cliff.

Until you go there. The ring would be the last place I would want to crash. Only second to off a cliff.

Yeah, the ring is definately not the place to crash - just drive it in a video game or watch a video- many areas where there is little to no room for error. A lot of people die there each year- i forgot the exact numbers but it's pretty high considering. All the markings on the track surface? supposedly represnets crashes where people died-

i know what oyu mean about the towtruck lol my friend borke both front axles on his SRT-4 and had t owair 4 hours for a damn tow truck

"Honda Civics are like tampons, every pu$$y has one.... 4B11T> 4G63 > K20A"

LMFAO thats nice man!

K20's are awesome motors..I know quite a few "pussies" who are faster than most street evo's..N/A.

Are you INSANE? A Neutral Drop? Call child services cause that's abuse!!

I am not advocating doing a neutral drop! The title of the thread is "Anyone crazy enough?

So many car magazines / car TV shows either don't know about, or missunderstand the launch control feature that I was wondering if any of them have done a neutral drop trying to launch the car... that is where the subject entered my head.

Keith

No enough crazy here. At least not in my car(s).

Well, while I was in Germany at the Nurburg ring a German man approached me saying he is the engineer that works for Getrag who is personally responsible for 'designing' the luanch function on the sst box. He said he also worked on the creep function for it. I unfortunatly havent since had a chance to try it because I crashed it on my 5th lap, and that was over 2 months ago and i'm still waiting for it to be repaired.

Ouch.

Can anyone outline how to do a newtral drop? I might have a crazy person who would like to do it, but just doesn't know how :)

Can anyone outline how to do a newtral drop? I might have a crazy person who would like to do it, but just doesn't know how :)

Let me be crystal clear.

A neutral drop is only effective in a real automatic transmission that has a TORQUE CONVERTER. Doing a neutral drop in an SST car is just going to seriously glaze or burn out the clutch(es).

Ok, let me rephrase. The lauch control technique everyone is talking about. How to do it?
PS: I own a GSR, so it's not for me.

the k20 is one of honda most advanced motors it may not be the fastest motor or have the most hp but the way its built and the head flowonis is amazeing....thats why i bought one and its not as expensive as an evo lolbut the motor is one of honda best

i found out if you launch the GSR at red line w/o ASC (i think thats it..) that ALL 4 tires will spin (but only on really wet roads OR mud hehe)


you are most amazing my friend!

this thread is funny. theres like 5 different threads in here

^ +1 struggling to keep up.

this thread is funny. theres like 5 different threads in here

LMAO

Ok, let me rephrase. The lauch control technique everyone is talking about. How to do it?
PS: I own a GSR, so it's not for me.

works for gsr and mr in the mr just step on the brake and go wot then release the brake, launch. gsr is the same thing wot clutch in drop clutch, launch. the car should go to 5500 rpm and stay there if it goes higher... dont do it.

Well, this didn't work. We tried it and the at about 2k rpm it throws 'slow down' message and releasing the brake doesn't do anything.
The full sequence:
- press break,
- SST in S-Sport
- ASC off
- floor throttle (that's where it almost instantly goes into the limp mode)
- release brake

Well, this didn't work. We tried it and the at about 2k rpm it throws 'slow down' message and releasing the brake doesn't do anything.
The full sequence:
- press break,
- SST in S-Sport
- ASC off
- floor throttle (that's where it almost instantly goes into the limp mode)
- release brake
Do you press the ASC button or hold it for the 3 seconds it taks to turn it all the way off?

Just press it, not hold. But that shlouldn't matter, should it? I saw a car and driver video where they launched with just pressing this button:
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=5S5D6wA6ZJw&feature=related

^ Try holding it cuz on the GSR it makes a diffrence

Everyone seems to get launch control wrong in the MR. It's simple. Do the following.

- Transmission in Super Sport mode (press up once, then press and hold up)
- ASC All Off (press and hold for 3 seconds until beeping occurs)
- Shifter in D (or manual mode if you prefer)
- Stand on the brake pedal (no pedal creep at all)
- Stand on the accelerator
- Revs should rise to 5-5500 RPMs and stop
- Let go of brake
- Take off

Using the outlined method I had ZERO problems, and NO bog down on take off. I successfully completed to launches. One in S-Sport Auto mode and the other in S-Sport Manual mode.

I haven't launched the car since.

I only did one successful launch once at 5k. Most of the time I could only only launch at 2-3k before slow down message comes on.

I only did one successful launch once at 5k. Most of the time I could only only launch at 2-3k before slow down message comes on.
Yes, that what happens to my friend's car also.
I don't think it matters if you hodld tha asc off button or not, since what it does isn't related to launching. The simple on-off, on the other hand, does affect your launcing as it allows for wheel spin.

Yes, that what happens to my friend's car also.
I don't think it matters if you hodld tha asc off button or not, since what it does isn't related to launching. The simple on-off, on the other hand, does affect your launcing as it allows for wheel spin.

Well it does matter, because the ECU wont allow launch control to activate unless you completely switch of ASC <- and it has been proven here where people complain the engine wont rev up to 5k and then the tranny overheats. Its because ASC isnt fully off and the clutch plates are just rubbing against eachother

And even if it did allow launch control to work, just pressing the asc once will still allow the car to apply brake pressure to individual wheels when they are spinning. Pressing asc once just removes the power cut out function of the stability control

When launch control actually switches on and revs to 5.2k, it doesnt engage the clutch until you let go of the brake

Yes, that what happens to my friend's car also.
I don't think it matters if you hodld tha asc off button or not, since what it does isn't related to launching. The simple on-off, on the other hand, does affect your launcing as it allows for wheel spin.

ASC off versus ASC ALL OFF matters because

ASC off only removes brake control but power cut is still there .. so whenever you launch, the wheels show 0 speed and engine power is increasing, you get a SLOWDOWN caption ..

ASC ALL OFF removes both brake control and engine control, hence you don't get any cut..

sidenote, I get an irritating twinclutch ringing now after launching the car ..

You guys should read the manual.
ASC off removes ABS (traction control) and ASC (both braking and power cut)
Holding ASC off will in additon remove braking function of AYC (i.e. braking inner front wheel when turning) - nothing to do with launching.
Now, whether holding ASC off will switch the launch control fuction or not - that's another story.
I'm not 100% sure (coz I don't really remember), but I think we tried both, and couldn't get it working.
Question to you though, have you personally tried it?

You guys should read the manual.
ASC off removes ABS (traction control) and ASC (both braking and power cut)
Holding ASC off will in additon remove braking function of AYC (i.e. braking inner front wheel when turning) - nothing to do with launching.
Now, whether holding ASC off will switch the launch control fuction or not - that's another story.
I'm not 100% sure (coz I don't really remember), but I think we tried both, and couldn't get it working.
Question to you though, have you personally tried it?

YES .. IT DOESN'T WORK IF YOU'RE IN ASC OFF ONLY ..

YOU WILL GET A 'SLOW DOWN' CAPTION AND RPM ONLY GOES UP TO 3000RPMS

If you insist it doesn't affect launching then by all means .. doesn't matter to me :D
I've highlighted the most important point WHY IT AFFECTS LAUNCH .. power cut :thumbup:

You should check your Caps Lock or are you actually shouting at me?

I take it you personally tried it both ways? Coz we did and it didn't work.
It must be something else then.
I've highlighted the most important point WHY IT AFFECTS LAUNCH .. power cut :thumbup:
And that's where you contradict the manual. Until you present a proof that simple ASC off doesn't turn off the power cut function of ASC I will trust the manual.

You should check your Caps Lock or are you actually shouting at me?

I take it you personally tried it both ways? Coz we did and it didn't work.
It must be something else then.

And that's where you contradict the manual. Until you present a proof that simple ASC off doesn't turn off the power cut function of ASC I will trust the manual.

YES I AM SHOUTING :tumbleweed:

Kinda get people's attention ..

I don't contradict the manual because my manual doesn't say what yours say .. probably you guys have translation error in your manuals or the programming is different from ours :p

Mine says what I said ..

ASC off removes braking control only .. you'll still get the SLOWDOWN
ASC ALL OFF removes everything ..

I can show you the prove .. but can you read it ?? :D (meaning I drive a JDM)

Anyway .. I can duplicate what you mentioned (ie I cannot launch even when its set up nicely) .. just tried it ..

And I GUESS this is where you guys went wrong ..
When you depress the accelerator pedal (or your friend) all you need to trigger the SLOWDOWN is stop part way before flooring it ..

You really need to say F it and just floor all the way and let it rip at 5000rpms

Go try again if that was the problem :thumbup:

Oh, BTW relax .. if you're skeptical of what everyone else is telling you, you shouldn't be asking ..
And if you haven't mentioned you have this problem .. I guess we probably wouldn't know if you don't commit to launch, the car actually aborts for you :tumbleweed:
Chill man .. you learn something new everyday .. :D

Based you what you are saying, apparently, there is difference in manuals. Mine is US version, and I also saw Russian version, which is consistent with what I mentioned above. It also says that ASC is only active at a speed above 15 km/h, so at dead stop it's off anyway.
We tried what you a suggesting, flooring the throttle just causes the car to rev to redline and releasing the brake doesn't do anything.

And also, patronizing me is not necessary, just be polite and don't assume that what you are saying is "everyone elses's" opinion.

point taken team. Lets keep it civil and polite.

Based you what you are saying, apparently, there is difference in manuals. Mine is US version, and I also saw Russian version, which is consistent with what I mentioned above. It also says that ASC is only active at a speed above 15 km/h, so at dead stop it's off anyway.
We tried what you a suggesting, flooring the throttle just causes the car to rev to redline and releasing the brake doesn't do anything.

And also, patronizing me is not necessary, just be polite and don't assume that what you are saying is "everyone elses's" opinion.

I don't patronise .. postings on the boards is devoid of emotions .. I want you to know where I stand ..

And I don't assume .. almost everyone here posted here agrees thats how you enter launch control ..

Also for your benefit .. I can launch on ASC OFF only too .. just tried it accidentally .. so I stand corrected for insisting on ASC ALL OFF

Lastly .. I know you can launch WITH hesitation (ie slight pause before you launch) .. and no pause when you launch ..

everything is controlled with the right foot .. interestingly ..

1st Hold brakes and floor accelerator .. let rpm stabilise at 5000-5500rpms .. release brakes .. a slight pause before the car will launch ..

2nd Hold brakes and floor accelerator .. release brakes when rpm shoots past 4500rpms .. immediately shoots forward without delay ..

I don't patronise .. postings on the boards is devoid of emotions .. I want you to know where I stand ..

And I don't assume .. almost everyone here posted here agrees thats how you enter launch control ..

Also for your benefit .. I can launch on ASC OFF only too .. just tried it accidentally .. so I stand corrected for insisting on ASC ALL OFF

Lastly .. I know you can launch WITH hesitation (ie slight pause before you launch) .. and no pause when you launch ..

everything is controlled with the right foot .. interestingly ..

1st Hold brakes and floor accelerator .. let rpm stabilise at 5000-5500rpms .. release brakes .. a slight pause before the car will launch ..

2nd Hold brakes and floor accelerator .. release brakes when rpm shoots past 4500rpms .. immediately shoots forward without delay ..

Interesting info gunzo. Sounds like you have plenty of practice. Is there a particular reason why there is a delay one way over another. You seem to be knowledgable in the SST ecu ins and outs.

Interesting info gunzo. Sounds like you have plenty of practice. Is there a particular reason why there is a delay one way over another. You seem to be knowledgable in the SST ecu ins and outs.

Actually I'm just being observant .. and making educated guesses :coffee:

But the launch just happens when I was not prepared for it .. so luck maybe ?

As for the ECU .. :bowlol:
I disassembled it :shades: .. not as good as Mychailo .. but enough to start tuning the car and understand how SST works..

Guys sent me the USDM roms and I generated the XML tables for a basic tunable ECUflash :coffee:

Now with Mychailo in the picture .. we'll be working twice as fast hahaha !!

like a rally god

Keith

LOL!!!

Actually...It does work with ASC single off ;-) I've done it a number of times like that. ASC completely off also works.

For those of you who are having "slow down" messages...mash the brake harder. And don't keep your car rev'ing at 5K for a long time. Just time it to get there for a 1/2 second and release brake. Done. Its really easy...

Jacky, if you want me to show you in your car, let me know ;-) Ahahahhahaa.

verkion

Actually...It does work with ASC single off ;-) I've done it a number of times like that. ASC completely off also works.

For those of you who are having "slow down" messages...mash the brake harder. And don't keep your car rev'ing at 5K for a long time. Just time it to get there for a 1/2 second and release brake. Done. Its really easy...

Jacky, if you want me to show you in your car, let me know ;-) Ahahahhahaa.

verkion

Info just in time for this weekend's AutoX :D

this may be a stupid question, but how the fuck do you guys launch your evo's? lol
got my evo a couple days ago still breaking it in. but id like to know for future reference.

this may be a stupid question, but how the fuck do you guys launch your evo's? lol
got my evo a couple days ago still breaking it in. but id like to know for future reference.

I have had a lot of problems personally, what I personally do is:

1. ASC off once
2. sport mode or s-sport mode (in manual mode)
3. mash the brake
4. apply throttle
5. launch at 5k

I did not know about the ASC-holding button. Thanks.
All I can contribute to this is that I have noticed a lag between the (release of the break + flooring the accerlerator) then there's a bit of a 0.5 second lag, then the car jumps forward

I did not know about the ASC-holding button. Thanks.
All I can contribute to this is that I have noticed a lag between the (release of the break + flooring the accerlerator) then there's a bit of a 0.5 second lag, then the car jumps forward

Yes .. release the brakes before 5000rpms and you don't get the delay

You launch just as fast ..

I have had a lot of problems personally, what I personally do is:

1. ASC off once
2. sport mode or s-sport mode (in manual mode)
3. mash the brake
4. apply throttle
5. launch at 5k

thanks man, ill try it out after i break in my new evo :D

YES .. IT DOESN'T WORK IF YOU'RE IN ASC OFF ONLY ..

YOU WILL GET A 'SLOW DOWN' CAPTION AND RPM ONLY GOES UP TO 3000RPMS

If you insist it doesn't affect launching then by all means .. doesn't matter to me :D
I've highlighted the most important point WHY IT AFFECTS LAUNCH .. power cut :thumbup:

I can use launch control in ASC off mode OR ASC all off with no problem. The trick is to spike the gas pedel to the floor to get it to work. If you press it slowly you will get the normal 2-3k rpm with the clutches engaged. In launch control the motor spins free without the clutch engaging until you launch. The brake pedal works sort of like a clutch pedal.

Actually...It does work with ASC single off ;-) I've done it a number of times like that. ASC completely off also works.

For those of you who are having "slow down" messages...mash the brake harder. And don't keep your car rev'ing at 5K for a long time. Just time it to get there for a 1/2 second and release brake. Done. Its really easy...

Jacky, if you want me to show you in your car, let me know ;-) Ahahahhahaa.

verkion

nope nope nope, with asc complete off or single off, i cant get both, just happen that one time i get it right, the other rest fail..and i dare not try any else it burns my sst oil away.

I have had a lot of problems personally, what I personally do is:

1. ASC off once
2. sport mode or s-sport mode (in manual mode)
3. mash the brake
4. apply throttle
5. launch at 5k


hi all, asc off first or set to s-sport first? does it matter?

I can use launch control in ASC off mode OR ASC all off with no problem. The trick is to spike the gas pedel to the floor to get it to work. If you press it slowly you will get the normal 2-3k rpm with the clutches engaged. In launch control the motor spins free without the clutch engaging until you launch. The brake pedal works sort of like a clutch pedal.

nope nope, i tried to floor the gas instantly also get the "slowdown"caption.

If the trans fluild is too hot, launch control will NOT work. The trans must be cold or warm, for launch control to work. If you go for a long drive and then try to launch it, it will NOT work. I does not take very long before your trans gets too hot where it will NOT launch. Does not matter how hard your driving, if you drive to long it wont work.

Just as long as your car has the ASC off light on you can launch the car. It does not matter which ASC mode your in. Make sure your car is in SS Mode. Make sure you have a firm pressure on the brake peddle. FLOOR the gas pede and hold it. DONT ease into the gas pedel, DONT play with the throttle. or it wont launch. If you step on the gas pedel and then release the gas pedel, it will disengage the launch control.

If the trans fluild is too hot, launch control will NOT work. The trans must be cold or warm, for launch control to work. If you go for a long drive and then try to launch it, it will NOT work. I does not take very long before your trans gets too hot where it will NOT launch. Does not matter how hard your driving, if you drive to long it wont work.

Just as long as your car has the ASC off light on you can launch the car. It does not matter which ASC mode your in. Make sure your car is in SS Mode. Make sure you have a firm pressure on the brake peddle. FLOOR the gas pede and hold it. DONT ease into the gas pedel, DONT play with the throttle. or it wont launch. If you step on the gas pedel and then release the gas pedel, it will disengage the launch control.

RED Dragon, thanks, I tried it successfully...Perhaps the transmission oil temp is very crucial. Cos the rest of the step I was doing right previously when the launch control fails.