For those who don't know, TTP Engineering is claiming ~80whp from their Z-chip tune, comparing to ~50whp for every other shop's EcuTek tuning.

Is any information available to compare these two products? I looked around on this forum but the only threads i found are locked.

I can't imagine the Z-chip can do things the ecutek cannot, since there are only so many things you can tune: fuel, timing, mivec, boost.

What do you all think? How is TTPE able to achieve the results they claim?

Options:
A) discovered something no other companies know (because they are tuning a different way)
B) their tuning is better
C) their dyno/results are flawed.

Thoughts?

Those numbers on that chip also include a MBC . The same can be achieved with Ecutek using a MBC.

Still good numbers though..

I have no idea how they achieve it but I do know they are using MBC. Im not sure they ever stated what it was turned up to, but if you turned it up to 26-28 Im and then tuned the car im sure you could get 80hp easy. I really dont know you can check out TTP on evom, but they are being kinda tight lipped about how they actually achieved the results. I was pretty interested in this product until their 2 outburst here. I dont want to do business with someone so short tempered and short sighted. Doesnt bode well if you have problem with their product.

Those numbers on that chip also include a MBC . The same can be achieved with Ecutek using a MBC.

I think you're wrong. Do you have any proof of this? Any links, dynos, etc?

All the Ecutek dyno's i've seen are controlling boost. Both Z-chip and EcuTek are claiming similar boost curves. Both can use a mbc, but neither need one (since both adjust the boost electronically).

I mean really, they're adjusting cams, fuel, and the MIVEC system, but not wastegate duty cycle?

I have no idea how they achieve it but I do know they are using MBC. Im not sure they ever stated what it was turned up to, but if you turned it up to 26-28 Im and then tuned the car im sure you could get 80hp easy. I really dont know you can check out TTP on evom, but they are being kinda tight lipped about how they actually achieved the results. I was pretty interested in this product until their 2 outburst here. I dont want to do business with someone so short tempered and short sighted. Doesnt bode well if you have problem with their product.
They stated 23psi max boost. And well it does seem suspicious that their threads keep getting deleted. I'd be kinda pissed too. I'm half expecting this one to disappear too...

They have a thread on EvoM im sure if you want to look them up there.

I'm not disagreeing that TTB used a MBC, i'm disagreeing that you can add a MBC to an Ecutek tune and get an extra 30hp. thats bull. :)

I would go to evom and talk to them there or you can PM them on this site maybe they could answer your questions. To be honest I dont know what they are doing to get 30 more hp. From what I understand Eccutek Controls all parts of the ECU. I dont know what the Z chip does. You best bet would be to ask ttp and guys that tune with Eccutek.

They stated 23psi max boost. And well it does seem suspicious that their threads keep getting deleted. I'd be kinda pissed too. I'm half expecting this one to disappear too...

One of the mods deleted their one thread because it violated the forum rules. When you say their threads "keep getting deleted", that just makes it sound a lot worse than what it actually is.

As for this one disappearing - give us a little more credit than that, eh?

Anyway, that said, there could be a number of explanations for their results, but one thing you should always consider is that when it comes to dynos, you'll always be comparing apples to oranges unless you're doing pulls on the same dyno on the same day back to back.

Im interested in the Zchip, but would like for the product to come out first and then see the results.

One of the mods deleted their one thread because it violated the forum rules. When you say their threads "keep getting deleted", that just makes it sound a lot worse than what it actually is.

As for this one disappearing - give us a little more credit than that, eh?

Anyway, that said, there could be a number of explanations for their results, but one thing you should always consider is that when it comes to dynos, you'll always be comparing apples to oranges unless you're doing pulls on the same dyno on the same day back to back.

Well, it's up to you as moderators to communicate why threads get deleted. Since no one has actually stated WHY their thread was deleted, you have to admit it looks very suspicious.

I agree though, that the dyno charts are all relative. Once the product is released, and we can get some independent dyno's to verify the gains, then i'll believe their claims.

I just read another shop's ecutek thread claiming 70hp from a flash off a bone-stock X, so it's looking more likely that the gains TTPE claimed are accurate.

However, i'm not going to hold my breath. The real question now is whether or not to wait for the z-chip to be released, or just get an ecutek tune now.

I think today, TTP was making claims that with only a mbc and their "chip" they gained 90 whp and 90 ft-lbs over stock. I'm extremely skeptical that on pump gas and moderate boost levels gains with this chip will be greater than a full custom Ecutek tune. I'm not even sure that installing an EMS, Uteq, or Power FC could produce those kinds of gains with only tuning and boost on pump gas.

I think today, TTP was making claims that with only a mbc and their "chip" they gained 90 whp and 90 ft-lbs over stock. I'm extremely skeptical that on pump gas and moderate boost levels gains with this chip will be greater than a full custom Ecutek tune. I'm not even sure that installing an EMS, Uteq, or Power FC could produce those kinds of gains with only tuning and boost on pump gas.

I agree I cannot believe just tuning any car can net 90 hp increase without any mods. Thats insane. I hope they prove me wrong, but Im very skeptical. I truely hope they can do this cause if it true the X is a beast lol.

Yah, it seems the only way they could be making THAT much more power is if they were running a MUCH more aggressive tune. I'm a little worried about engine longevity at that point.

Or maybe creating a "custom" unit like this enables them to do something outside the limitations of the ecu, or ecu's data tables. I just can't think of good example....but I don't know the ecutek software, and what the ecu firmware looks like.

Just to make up an example, it's possible that a specific pin on the ecu could only send upwards of X volts, and the z-chip allows them to send more than X volts. This of course assumes that whatever is on the other end can take a larger voltage input than the maximum the ecu can output. which is highly unlikely. Still, it is THEORETICALLY possible that it could have MORE control than an ecutek.

So unless the z-chip can do something ecutek cannot, the differences in gains have to be due to tuning differences, or experimental differences (dyno, altitude, etc).

One of the mods deleted their one thread because it violated the forum rules. When you say their threads "keep getting deleted", that just makes it sound a lot worse than what it actually is.

As for this one disappearing - give us a little more credit than that, eh?

Anyway, that said, there could be a number of explanations for their results, but one thing you should always consider is that when it comes to dynos, you'll always be comparing apples to oranges unless you're doing pulls on the same dyno on the same day back to back.

What is nice about our results however is that we basedlined the car bone stock on the dyno as well have tested it with a MBC only with no tuning.

We have then tested with the tune and have documented and demonstrated the gains.

Then we proceeded to run the 1320' under each condition and document the quarter mile times with trap speeds to support the changes in power and expectations.

Today we custom tuned 4 cars so we only did 2 pulls for data aquisition only, no changes. For some interesting reason, whp increased +8whp and +25tq to a total of +93whp and +90tq over stock. We were surprised so I then rebooted the dyno computer, rechecked the calibration files and all checked out as legitimate. The next pull was within 3-4whp and tq.

We then went to test the quarter mile but the clutch said "Hell no".

AFR remains safe as displayed on the Dashdaq custom touchscreen wideband and data aquisition center. We exported the logs and reviewed them in the comfort of the A/C office :lol:. We figured out the key to the big gains in torque.

Should be able to do some more testing after the weekend and will get the clutch replaced mid week.

I'm not doubting the results but what effect will the power have on the engine and it's longevity? I'm new to the mod scene so that's why Im askin

i think i read something similar about on SHiv's Proceed with Evo X. They claimed 70-80whp just using Proceed. I think..but i cant remember. so TTP's claims is possible.
But Im more interested in constant gains from people who will buy this chips for their evo x. Only time will tell...

Well, it's up to you as moderators to communicate why threads get deleted. Since no one has actually stated WHY their thread was deleted, you have to admit it looks very suspicious.

Actually, that was explained in another thread, however, we have no obligation to explain each action the staff takes to people. If rules are broken, action is taken. Period. We've got too much to do than to publicly blog every single thing that comes up every day.

I agree though, that the dyno charts are all relative. Once the product is released, and we can get some independent dyno's to verify the gains, then i'll believe their claims. Sounds fair enough.

I just read another shop's ecutek thread claiming 70hp from a flash off a bone-stock X, so it's looking more likely that the gains TTPE claimed are accurate.

However, i'm not going to hold my breath. The real question now is whether or not to wait for the z-chip to be released, or just get an ecutek tune now.There's also more to it than the power output. What are the capabilities? What are it's limitations? Does it effect driveability in a negative manner? Does the car learn around the tune? Is it a plug and play install, or do you have to hack up wires?

Engine management is not so cut and dry. People need to start looking at more than just power output.

The one thing I dont like with the Zchip is you have to install a MBC. To me the big advantage of eccutek is boost control. Vishnus device has boost control also. Im not against MBCs I just personally dont want one

The one thing I dont like with the Zchip is you have to install a MBC. To me the big advantage of eccutek is boost control. Vishnus device has boost control also. Im not against MBCs I just personally dont want one

The Stock Boost control system is weak. i can think of a few inconsistencies that would apply to tuning with a half assed boost control.

The Stock Boost control system is weak. i can think of a few inconsistencies that would apply to tuning with a half assed boost control.

Out of curiosity, what is weak about the stock boost solenoid?

It tapers boost and does not hold it to redline.
MBC or EBC Will taper boost but not as much.

Works says they created some cable that fixes boost and holds it to redline but works i dont live in cali and want more then a mail in flash.

It tapers boost and does not hold it to redline.
MBC or EBC Will taper boost but not as much.

Works says they created some cable that fixes boost and holds it to redline but works i dont live in cali and want more then a mail in flash.


Im not trying to argue so please dont take it that way, but I have seen several Sean Ivey tunes that he has peak at 24 and taper down to 20. Sean PMd me and said there is no need for an MBC, and from what I understand he is pretty much the tuning Guru. He would have nothing to gain for saying this, Im sure he sells MBCs at his shop. That is about inline with most of the MBC set at 24 I have seen. 24 taper down to 20-21.

Regardless, im betting you can only go so high on the ecu controlled boost before it throws the car in limp mode for overboosting.

In the future when your ready for a larger turbo and more boost like 30 PSI im sure its going to cause problems where an ebc or mbc will not.

Regardless, im betting you can only go so high on the ecu controlled boost before it throws the car in limp mode for overboosting.

In the future when your ready for a larger turbo and more boost like 30 PSI im sure its going to cause problems where an ebc or mbc will not.
I dont dissagree with that, but for most the tunes people are wanting ECU boost control is fine

It tapers boost and does not hold it to redline.
MBC or EBC Will taper boost but not as much.

Works says they created some cable that fixes boost and holds it to redline but works i dont live in cali and want more then a mail in flash.

With my EcuTeK tune, the boost acts very similarly to how it did with the MBC.

IF you get Ecutek then you don’t need a mbc.
If you get another solution that doesn’t control boost you need one.

You guys are real biased on Ecutek because your dealers. Your going to push the products you sell on a board and one of them is Ecutek. So no matter what i say your still going to come back and tell my why Stock boost control or ecutek is better.

With the TTP Z Chip you need either a MBC or EBC

With ECUTek you don’t

Either way is a decent solution, for me I rather go with the TTP Z-chip because ecutek is not in my area. I don’t want a mail in flash i want a custom tune.

So for me TTP Z-Chip is better and probably what ill buy when it comes out.

Im not a dealer at all. I would love to have a plug and play option. I know shivs procede control boost and it is suppose to be plug and play. I was really hoping the Unichip by perrin worked and it didnt. Im in Oklahoma with no prayer for a custom tune unless I drive 10hours. We dont even have AWD dyno. So would I welcome some kind of chip hell yes I would, but I want one that control the entire ECU boost included. My preference is just not to have MBC for my self. Im not against them at all, just not for me. If ttp could do all this without MBC I would be paying closer attention.

IF you get Ecutek then you don’t need a mbc.
If you get another solution that doesn’t control boost you need one.

You guys are real biased on Ecutek because your dealers.

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Don't be so quick with the accusations. I was merely stating a fact. You stated that the stock boost control was weak...I was merely posting to mention that it works about as well as any MBC I've tested on the car.

Wow, very wise to insult/accuse the forum creator.

:ban:, just for being such a genius

IF you get Ecutek then you don’t need a mbc.
If you get another solution that doesn’t control boost you need one.

You guys are real biased on Ecutek because your dealers. Your going to push the products you sell on a board and one of them is Ecutek. So no matter what i say your still going to come back and tell my why Stock boost control or ecutek is better.

With the TTP Z Chip you need either a MBC or EBC

With ECUTek you don’t

Either way is a decent solution, for me I rather go with the TTP Z-chip because ecutek is not in my area. I don’t want a mail in flash i want a custom tune.

So for me TTP Z-Chip is better and probably what ill buy when it comes out.

Im not a dealer at all. I would love to have a plug and play option. I know shivs procede control boost and it is suppose to be plug and play. I was really hoping the Unichip by perrin worked and it didnt. Im in Oklahoma with no prayer for a custom tune unless I drive 10hours. We dont even have AWD dyno. So would I welcome some kind of chip hell yes I would, but I want one that control the entire ECU boost included. My preference is just not to have MBC for my self. Im not against them at all, just not for me. If ttp could do all this without MBC I would be paying closer attention.

So wile your waiting get a mbc and set it at 22 psi like Turbo Magainze did and gain 24hp and 20lb-ft of torque.

So wile your waiting get a mbc and set it at 22 psi like Turbo Magainze did and gain 24hp and 20lb-ft of torque.

Like I said I just dont want an MBC lol. Thats the only reason Im not interested in the Z chip, which I believe is a very valid reason. Im pretty much open to any valid tuning solution as long as it fits into what I want. As soon as Accessport comes out even if I have a tune I will be buying it just so I can hold multiple maps including vallet, track, drag, and road map cause that is what I want. Im not really a fan boy of any system. I just go with what fits my needs most. To me thats the big knock on the Zchip is it requires a MBC. Some dont mind it, but I do personally. So for that reason alone is why I perfer Eccutek at this point. Hopefully Accessport and Ecuflash is out soon so there are other viable options.

ZChip prototype 2 results.

351whp/347.5wtq Mustang Dyno

+98whp / +93tq over stock

MBC and ZChip remain as the only mods to a stock Evo X.

We are 2whp shy of our +100whp ZChip goal.

Wow look at those numbers. Very nice progress, hopefully we'll see it installed on several X's soon to ensure that it indeed works as advertised.

I just want to know how you are getting such huge numbers. AFR, Boost, Timing, what?

I just want to know how you are getting such huge numbers. AFR, Boost, Timing, what?
Yes please AFR Boost what are they.

And i will just say that i am another person that also does not want to use a MBC. Why because i will not be racing my car, it will be my DD and a bit of fun here and there. I need a reliable car, yes i want it to have more power, but it has to be relieable. Most likely will go with COBB AP when that's out. Best of luck to TTP looks like an awsome product if it does work. :rock:

Thats gotta be close to the limit without supporting mods. I can squeeze 100+ out of my car and let that shit melt to the ground in the process...

Im more fortunate than DCASANDMAN because I have a custom tune on ECUtek... I dyno'd stock 253ish... 270.? with a catback and a drop in filter and 320.2/305.9 with Ecutek and thats well in my zone of safety and running a lil rich rather than lean...

I think 60-80 is reasonable with a couple supporting mods but 100 doesnt sound stable in the long run. Maybe an explanation other than "weve found the golden egg" would make a little more sense... my reliable .02

I just want to know how you are getting such huge numbers. AFR, Boost, Timing, what?
Air, fuel and spark.

Thats gotta be close to the limit without supporting mods. I can squeeze 100+ out of my car ...

Show us.

We don't know what the limit on this engine is. I'm sure the tuners will find out eventually, but this engine seems to have tons of potential.

They stated 23psi max boost. And well it does seem suspicious that their threads keep getting deleted. I'd be kinda pissed too. I'm half expecting this one to disappear too...

More testing just completed. More data for us to send out tonight.
In the midst of testing we achieved our best overall power averaging 350whp. Not only did we back up the 353whp, we also had a few pulls over.
Here is the best one.
+106whp / +99wtq has been achieved on zchip + mbc only.
Needless to day, we are revising our goal to +100whp/+100wtq with the zchip. :lol:

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2152&stc=1&d=1218555499

We found another place to strap the center of the car so I got the courage to run the quarter mile again.
For the naysayers, we added a gift of +100lbs to the eddy current brake to put additional drag on the car. Input weight was 3880lbs.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/dsm95hybrid/th_XDrag1224.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/dsm95hybrid/?action=view&current=XDrag1224.flv)
12.24 @ 109.97mph I believe. The dyno computer got shut down quick. Someone wanted to get home lol.

(Contact info edited by Dino)

WOW!

:props:

So has anyone got this yet to verify on a random dyno?

More testing just completed. More data for us to send out tonight.
In the midst of testing we achieved our best overall power averaging 350whp. Not only did we back up the 353whp, we also had a few pulls over.
Here is the best one.
+106whp / +99wtq has been achieved on zchip + mbc only.
Needless to day, we are revising our goal to +100whp/+100wtq with the zchip. :lol:
http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2152&stc=1&d=1218555499

We found another place to strap the center of the car so I got the courage to run the quarter mile again.
For the naysayers, we added a gift of +100lbs to the eddy current brake to put additional drag on the car. Input weight was 3880lbs.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/dsm95hybrid/th_XDrag1224.jpg (http://s4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/dsm95hybrid/?action=view&current=XDrag1224.flv)
12.24 @ 109.97mph I believe. The dyno computer got shut down quick. Someone wanted to get home lol.

So when is this going to be available to the masses? You are doing this with an ACT clutch and MBC as the only two mods on the car correct?

So when is this going to be available to the masses? You are doing this with an ACT clutch and MBC as the only two mods on the car correct?

This is correct.

would you be able to overlay the stock run on top of the new dyno run so I can see the difference?

This is correct.

How long do you think it will be before its available?

the reason you need a boost controller, because you don't touching the ecu?
How about the wastegate? /Forge/

Yeah they don't touch the boost via tuning according to another post.

That video is pretty cool. Never seen a drag done on a dyno before.

I am a long time user of MBC's, or to be more precise EBC's, and I have to say that so far with the X, the best route for stability and repeatability is definitely the stock dual solenoid WITH the pill in. The reality is the stock solenoids can build well over 30psi (had it happen a few times already during some initial tunes), and the pill is installed to reduce the amount of air they have to bleed off. With a MBC I got quite a bit of varience in boost, and constant CEL issues when doing partial throttle applications in higer gears (think going up a hill in 5th). Rather then be plagued by constant torque mismatch issues created by flow rates that are above what the factory ECU expects, why not instead utilize the absolute controllability of the stock solenoids and have fine tooth control, that learns, instead. The stock solenoid control with EcuTek is very very good, and actually rivals the AVC-R that I have been using for quite sometime.

None the less, its cool to see all these options starting to appear for the X! TTP had some great results with the VIII's and IX's, so my expectations are high for the X.

i dont trust them

what do you mean by "not your family" ? I know extreme boost is doing awesome job for taking stock evo to the uncharted territory with those mods but for money for money TTP's Z chip is pretty dang attractive(if it really works like they say).

Please avoid personal attacks in your posts. It is against forum rules, and is not tolerated. . If you want to provide true factual examples and post up why you are against a specific system be happy to do so.

alright frank sorry about that i didnt mean to start anything my bad

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What is the MBC?

What is the MBC?

Manual Boost Controller

Thanks........ but what does it do?

it changes the boost of the car

I am waiting for this chip to come out, I wonder what the install is like. Is this a reflash based thing or a plug and play. Also interested if it will play will with a catback, intake, and UICP.

I just waiting till customers actually have this on their car. I want to see results from 2nd party dynos and tuners. I have never seen on any car that nets 100+whp on a tune alone with pump gas and stock boost levels.

I am waiting for this chip to come out, I wonder what the install is like. Is this a reflash based thing or a plug and play. Also interested if it will play will with a catback, intake, and UICP.
It's a piggy back it isn't flash based.

It's a piggy back it isn't flash based.

I know, but it controls less than a tune. (i.e. have to use MBC to control boost and doesn't control MVEC.) There are only so many things you can change to control power before having to mod whether it is a piggy back or not, and they are leaving the boost stock with an MBC. I will have to see this in 2nd party hands to believe it. I'm a skeptic on everything till I see an outside source test it. This just seem to good to be true to me personally. 100whp with just a chip and a MBC set to stock boost.

I hear you man hopefully this will end up being true and expose the potential of the engine and the conservative tunes we've been getting. If it happens to be the case I don't see why Ecutek wouldn't be able to do it since it does control more than the Z-chip does. Tuners just have to take more time to tweak and adjust their tunes. This is also done without Mivec control so in theory if a tuner can achieve this kind of power tuning only AFR, spark and whatever else they said and after achieving similar results then tuning the Mivec we're going to get some serious power out of this little engine just from a tune.

Hi

Is TTP Z chip plug and play or something else.Because i live in Europe and i want to know is it be possible for me?

I am pretty sure the MBC isn't all that significant in the power gains just like with ECUtek. The car is retarded rich, it may just be one of those cars that has a 100hp tune for cheap. Though I also want to see how this plays out when actually it hits the market.

i still dont know if i believe all this or not. i would really like to see some actual results though

If they would have stuck to 70 to 80 whp on just a tune I might have believed it, but go to any cars site that is tunable and name me one that makes 100whp on a safe driver friendly tune alone. Especially not a 4 banger. Of coarse just my opinion I would love to be proven wrong, but I highly doubt it. To make sure people take this correct Im talking about a tune you can drive around day to day and the car not be blown up.

im with you on this one

id be too nervous getting 100 hp on a tune. id worried that my car will mess up some how

2800lbs on the rollers?

:bump:

Supposed to be ready in two weeks now. Version 5 is being delivered. I have a ton of questions if the TTP guy will post over here again.

He's or them are banned. I haven't said anything on the evom out of respect. But Caveat Emptor to all of you. Dont turn your 35k car into 25k by blowing something up. If this does work good for them and congrats.

He's or them are banned. I haven't said anything on the evom out of respect. But Caveat Emptor to all of you. Dont turn your 35k car into 25k by blowing something up. If this does work good for them and congrats.

That Ecutech tune flash from Dino is looking pretty good at this point.

TTP is pretty credible and dynos don't like...but they may have tweaked the dyno to have it read what they want it to read. With as rich as these cars are though I really think that ECUtek is not pulling the power out that it should. I mean I am leaned out with three mods and am still puke shit out of the exhaust and back firing like mad.

Well in time they will sell the z-chip, and I can pretty much guarantee with confidence that the z-chip will be put to the test on several 3rd party dynos and those numbers will end up at Evom or here or both.

I would bet alot of money it wont make a safe 100whp. If it does this car will be one of the best tuner cars of all times. Thats a pretty outrageous claim IMO. I skeptical of a 70whp on a tune alone another 30whp on top of that I just dont believe. I just cant believe with a tune alone these cars can go from making 220 whp to 320 whp without any other mods, and not turning up boost. Ive dealt with super charged boats for a long time, and the only way to get that kinda of power increase is to change a pully to get more boost. The car is not 100whp Rich no way. No one is Credible to me until they prove it to me personally through service and action.

I would bet alot of money it wont make a safe 100whp. If it does this car will be one of the best tuner cars of all times. Thats a pretty outrageous claim IMO. I skeptical of a 70whp on a tune alone another 30whp on top of that I just dont believe. I just cant believe with a tune alone these cars can go from making 220 whp to 320 whp without any other mods, and not turning up boost. Ive dealt with super charged boats for a long time, and the only way to get that kinda of power increase is to change a pully to get more boost. The car is not 100whp Rich no way. No one is Credible to me until they prove it to me personally through service and action.

:+1:

I'd like to see it last a while as well. I mean Nascar can get 800+ hp but those motors are only good for 1 race.

If they can get an extra 100 hp on just a tune how long is it going to last? Are they prepared to replace engines if they blow? And this is a piggy back chip to boot. I agree if they can do it and its lasts, this will be the best invention since breast implants.

:+1:
this will be the best invention since breast implants.

That's going a little too far:p

We will all have to wait and see the hype surrounding the TTP-Z! It looks promising tho!

I'd like to see it last a while as well. I mean Nascar can get 800+ hp but those motors are only good for 1 race. F1 engines are [less than] half the size (displacement) of NASCAR engines and make the same power for TWO races! So does that make them 4 times more reliable?

this will be the best invention since breast implants. Perhaps installed - then i would agree.

Well, I think it should've been obvious that they aren't quite getting the hp they claim. Their trap speeds in the 1/4 mile are only 105-107mph. That's really equivalent to about a 50-60hp gain which is inline with what Ecutek tunes are getting. There are several examples of guys with about +100hp gain that trap 110mph+.

The other concern I have is that they haven't tuned a modded car yet. I know UICPs, FMICs and intakes tend to cause CEL codes especially with a MBC which they require for their tune. We'll see in the next few weeks how this pans out.

I'm always up for tuners to extract as much hp as they can from our cars and if they can, it's great to have another option. I just don't want to be mislead into thinking that I'm getting some claimed hp when in fact, I'm only getting a fraction of it.

Looks like the only thing left is to wait a bit haha. Even if they gain only 60whp lets say I still prefer it over 60whp from ECUtek tune. Easier to install and out in a few minutes so the dealer can't tell.


MBC which they require for their tune.

It was not confirmed that it is required with their tune.

Its 94*F and 95% humidity in southeast FL in between hurricanes every month. What do you think that does to quarter mile trapspeed performance? Increases it? Soon enough there will be chips throughout the northeast to compare to the 55*F 20% humidity performance of those regions where other companies testing has been done.

Looks like the only thing left is to wait a bit haha. Even if they gain only 60whp lets say I still prefer it over 60whp from ECUtek tune. Easier to install and out in a few minutes so the dealer can't tell.




It was not confirmed that it is required with their tune.
Actually in their thread they say a MBC will be required. And a boost gauge.

I on the fence about the Z-Chip, I would like to get a ecutek tune but the only option for me is mail-in, sooo IDK.

Is there a reason there is not much discussion about the TTP's chip going on here? I think the progress they are making is great. What's going on over here? Just asking. I love this forum....db

I think the creator of this forum and one of the guys at TTP had a tiff... so the TTP guy doesn't post here anymore.

This post got lost when the site went down. We just recently got some of the old post back to where they where suppose to be. That is why there has not been alot posted under the zchip in awhile. Lots of post have been lost that we are still trying to recover.

This post got lost when the site went down. We just recently got some of the old post back to where they where suppose to be. That is why there has not been alot posted under the zchip in awhile. Lots of post have been lost that we are still trying to recover.

Thx...I was wondering..

Has anyone heard additional information regarding the Z-Chip?

The last I heard they are in production. One was on a customers car (test car) and they just got one more in hopefully to be tested and tuned for an MR.....db

I like the chip, but for me a custom tune is the best. Sean Ivy tuned my X to 326whp and made my X an Evo.

What mods do you have on the car Nate?

I'm getting an ECUtek tune on Thursday from AMS. I am eager to see the results. What mods you have Nate? 326whp is insane if it is just the tune.

Actually in their thread they say a MBC will be required. And a boost gauge.
My bad, you are right. I am going with an ECUtek anyways. I don't want an MBC.

What mods do you have on the car Nate?

I have a UR TBE and a injen UICP and intake.

The Z-chip got released and one guy dynoed at 348whp. I feel it is the BC. I know people say that ecutek can control boost. I'll bet that with a BC my 326whp ecuteked X would gain the 22whp difference. I'm waiting for some z-chip time slips.

i think the mbc is just to help with the tappering of the boost, i got my email for my turn on the zchip so i hopefully will get it shipped out on monday

I'll let you guys know what its like :godance:

Does anyone know pricing on the ZChip yet?

I think its 439

It was $456 shipped to me, but I'm in Alaska:(and its already snowing.

Why pay ECUtek or a Z-chip for one map/flash when ECUFlash is shareware and u can tune your own car with every mod or change u make?

I don't think everyone knows how to tune their own car, nor has access to a dyno, which to my understanding is a pretty important part of getting a good tune.

KiL

You will be able to load very very very safe maps created by users in the community as long as you have the tactrix cable and ecuflash loaded up (free).

Tested maps that have been dyno tested and run for thousands of miles will be able to be loaded to your car within 40 seconds providing 70whp+ with no trouble at all.

I don't think everyone knows how to tune their own car, nor has access to a dyno, which to my understanding is a pretty important part of getting a good tune.

KiL

Ya dyno is not needed. You can street tune your self with proper data logging...

there also going to be updates for the zchip through email so same thing, add a mod, add a new tune simple as that

Well yeah, but why pay over 400 bucks for a piggyback when you can tune the ECU directly for 160?

You will be able to load very very very safe maps created by users in the community as long as you have the tactrix cable and ecuflash loaded up (free).

Tested maps that have been dyno tested and run for thousands of miles will be able to be loaded to your car within 40 seconds providing 70whp+ with no trouble at all.

Will you be able to use any of these products (Z-chip, Ecuflash) if you have allready done the ecutec reflash?

What is the situation on these with your boltons, ie IC, Intake, testpipe, exhaust? Will the standard programmes on example the Z-chip still be applicable?

Will you be able to use any of these products (Z-chip, Ecuflash) if you have allready done the ecutec reflash?

What is the situation on these with your boltons, ie IC, Intake, testpipe, exhaust? Will the standard programmes on example the Z-chip still be applicable?


no idea on if the zchip works on top of a ecuflash.

But you can use ecuflash to modify your ecutek map.

no idea on if the zchip works on top of a ecuflash.

But you can use ecuflash to modify your ecutek map.


:thumbup: Thank you, so the Evo can evolve... :D

Will you be able to use any of these products (Z-chip, Ecuflash) if you have allready done the ecutec reflash?

What is the situation on these with your boltons, ie IC, Intake, testpipe, exhaust? Will the standard programmes on example the Z-chip still be applicable?

Yes ECUflash will work on ECUtec flashes. You'll learn the OTS mail-in flashes are pretty safe and more can be squeezed out of them when tunning your self. I've actually never tunned a car my self by I'm trying for the first time very soon. Just do your research and there are people who are more than willing to help and give advice. Plus as Rguy said....why use a piggybakc such as the Z-chip to modify the ECUs signal when you can do without and change the ECU directly for more control?

Zchip is junk and will be the biggest Flop in Evo X Tuning software / hardware.. sit back and wait to see what happens with the 1st 50 people who get it.. Already the 1st car that got a custom tuned zchip has had 3 issues on the ride home..

ASC lights coming on all the time

Sputtering on decel when passing a car

Limp mode and Cel's when it was clearly stated it wont give Cel's..


I have the ecutek software on my car and it was just a simple mail in flash and no CEL, no sputtering, No issues and 340whp.. Id say wait for Ecuflash or get ecutek..

Id say wait for Ecuflash or get ecutek..

:+1:

Zchip is junk and will be the biggest Flop in Evo X Tuning software / hardware.. sit back and wait to see what happens with the 1st 50 people who get it.. Already the 1st car that got a custom tuned zchip has had 3 issues on the ride home..
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Im thinking it's heading that way too. They really jumped the gun making those huge claims. They should have had a much longer beta program with far more cars to verify reproducability. I think a lot of people are going to have problems with it (ASC light) and more wont get even close to the 107whp gain and will be PISSED at ttp.

It's already a customer service nightmare for them, and the more they sell the worse it's going to get.

interesting... much different than the 104odd pages on the zchip had to say lol.. but ima wait n see... def get one of the two lol

Im thinking it's heading that way too. They really jumped the gun making those huge claims. They should have had a much longer beta program with far more cars to verify reproducability. I think a lot of people are going to have problems with it (ASC light) and more wont get even close to the 107whp gain and will be PISSED at ttp.

It's already a customer service nightmare for them, and the more they sell the worse it's going to get.

Yes it will get worse and worse as more people get it.. there is NO POSSIBLE way to get that chip to work on all platforms, elevations, loads, fuels etc as a PnP unit.. I have been testing with our X for months now and trust me when i tell you its very finicky.. The electronic TB is the main issue..

interesting... much different than the 104odd pages on the zchip had to say lol.. but ima wait n see... def get one of the two lol

Yes because certain threads are handles like the board is in a communist country.. If you say or ask any questions that refute the claims they have made its deleted.. The zchip is going down in history with the " as seen on Tv " tornado that used to gain 20hp in the intake tract.. LOL

Mike

interesting... much different than the 104odd pages on the zchip had to say lol.. but ima wait n see... def get one of the two lol

There is a lot of fanboys in that thread. A lot of people think you just plug in the zchip and go, but you also need to install and configure a MBC. So you basically have a piggyback and a MBC trying to trick your car into 107whp. People want the zchip because the dealer wont notice it, but then they want to go and hack in a MBC, lol. You can see the nightmare that this might cause, and you're paying 439 for it.

OR, you could buy a 160 cable, ask nicely for someones safe 60-70-80whp map and flash you car for free in 30 seconds and have all the ECU safeguards in place..

it's really a no brainer.

There is a lot of fanboys in that thread. A lot of people think you just plug in the zchip and go, but you also need to install and configure a MBC. So you basically have a piggyback and a MBC trying to trick your car into 107whp. People want the zchip because the dealer wont notice it, but then they want to go and hack in a MBC, lol. You can see the nightmare that this might cause, and you're paying 439 for it.

OR, you could buy a 160 cable, ask nicely for someones safe 60-70-80whp map and flash you car for free in 30 seconds and have all the ECU safeguards in place..

it's really a no brainer.


Glad someone can see the light and wont get burned..:thumbup:

It seems that thread has disappeared. I wonder what happened.

There is a lot of fanboys in that thread. A lot of people think you just plug in the zchip and go, but you also need to install and configure a MBC. So you basically have a piggyback and a MBC trying to trick your car into 107whp. People want the zchip because the dealer wont notice it, but then they want to go and hack in a MBC, lol. You can see the nightmare that this might cause, and you're paying 439 for it.

OR, you could buy a 160 cable, ask nicely for someones safe 60-70-80whp map and flash you car for free in 30 seconds and have all the ECU safeguards in place..

it's really a no brainer.
LOLOLOLOLOL:rock::mswerd::thumbup::iagree::jedi:

Like I said I've never tuned before but I'm spending hours researching it and asking people like Rguy for help. I've received nothing but great Evo owners helping me figurte out how to custom tune maps. The reward of doing it your self is amazing. Just buying the equipment and getting ready is rewarding and has me excited. And there is nothing better than an ECU custom map compared to a piggyback. Why would u want to use a chip to overwrite the safeguards and signals your cars computer is sending?

Like I said I've never tuned before but I'm spending hours researching it and asking people like Rguy for help. I've received nothing but great Evo owners helping me figurte out how to custom tune maps. The reward of doing it your self is amazing. Just buying the equipment and getting ready is rewarding and has me excited. And there is nothing better than an ECU custom map compared to a piggyback. Why would u want to use a chip to overwrite the safeguards and signals your cars computer is sending?


I understand why you would want a piggy back that was a direct plug-in especially if it was programable. I wouldnt be against it. I dont like the ttp thing cause you have to use an MBC. I think the Hydra system may be promising though. I will probably go with eccutek first though. Then as Ecuflash becomes more refined I will probably use it as I add more parts beyond bolt ons.

I was unaware that the ecuflash was compatible for the Evo X platform. I thought it was still being developed. I went to their site a few days ago and it said Evo X was not supported yet. Maybe ou guys know something I don't/.

I was unaware that the ecuflash was compatible for the Evo X platform. I thought it was still being developed. I went to their site a few days ago and it said Evo X was not supported yet. Maybe ou guys know something I don't/.
There are cars being tuned with it as we speak. It is very close to being completely released I think.

English Racing's Aaron said he's been able to flash his first X about a week or so ago, and all of the beta testers are still working on finding maps and fixing whatever it is that needs fixing before releasing the software, which should be out here in a week or two.

*works on ecuflash map and smiles*

BTW, JDM mivec is just flat out amazing...

*works on ecuflash map and smiles*

BTW, JDM mivec is just flat out amazing...
Sounds very promising! Is it looking like you could optimize it anymore for a bit more power?

I can say with 100% guarentee i could flash an X and give it 60+whp and not even break a sweat, and it would still be running insanely rich.

92 octane too? =D

Im sure you could get 60whp with a flash. Vishnu was claiming 70 on 91 Oct in the Edmunds review with a piggyback.

I understand why you would want a piggy back that was a direct plug-in especially if it was programable. I wouldnt be against it. I dont like the ttp thing cause you have to use an MBC. I think the Hydra system may be promising though. I will probably go with eccutek first though. Then as Ecuflash becomes more refined I will probably use it as I add more parts beyond bolt ons.

What exactly is the benefit of a PnP piggyback? It's just as removable as a custom flash....especially with ECUflash coming soon.

English Racing's Aaron said he's been able to flash his first X about a week or so ago, and all of the beta testers are still working on finding maps and fixing whatever it is that needs fixing before releasing the software, which should be out here in a week or two.
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95% of the maps are done .. the rest of the 'nicer' maps are only on the JDMs :rock:

The only limitations now is what mike@AWDmotorsports said .. the car is very finicky .. :thumbup:

If you work within the confines of the stock car .. you should be okay .. once you decide to progress beyond stock .. more understanding of the ECU is required ..

I'll be releasing what the MR guys are waiting for later .. when I find it :p
The shifting points, the throttlemaps, the engagement points etcetc ..

Rguy nailed it on the head with his comment .. anyone can do it :whipping:
I can say with 100% guarentee i could flash an X and give it 60+whp and not even break a sweat, and it would still be running insanely rich.

I want both, but I am holding out for ECU flash. I have used it on my IX and loved it.

I wish Ecuflash could work on an Iphone. What a sweet little tuning device that would be.

Well yeah, but why pay over 400 bucks for a piggyback when you can tune the ECU directly for 160?
I am one of the first 25 to buy the ZChip and am very happy so far with the transaction. The first few reviews are in and people have claimed their first impressions as "holy *&*&$*".

Why would I pay $439? I paid it because it is PNP, it undetectable and removable before dealer sees the car, takes 20 min to install, does not leave any traces, does not affect the flash count on the ecu which the dealer can see.

In the end even if I decide to sell the car, I have a $439 piece of technology that I can easily resell as there are more buyers waiting than ZChips available.

It also IS RELEASED for the public, has a software interface that I can personally tune and adjust to make it more aggressive or conservative as I see fit.

Its a win for me anyway you slice it.

According to the news today, ZChip took home multiple awards at the 2008 SEMA show in Las Vegas.

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Press Release, SEMA Nov. 5, 2008:
The TTP Tuned Zeitronix Z-Chip has received multiple awards!


I recieved my Zchip yesterday and eagerly opened the box. Beams of golden holy light shot out as a choir of angels faded in the background singing "Hallelujah". Sike... http://forums.evolutionm.net/images/smilies/lol.gif

Instructions were not included, due to the fact that they're still in the making. Scott promised us to get some chips out before SEMA and he lived up to it. So no biggie here. I shot a PM to Luis to verify how I assumed it was to be installed and even with all the phone orders, chip programming, customer car work, etc., he found time to promptly respond with clear instructions including labeled pictures. Once again, outstanding customer service from the guys at TTP! Gold star for you. http://forums.evolutionm.net/images/smilies/smilie_thumbsup.gif

So, I got the chip installed in roughly 20 mins (took me forever to find a pick to pull a retaining clip), and it was a pretty straight forward installation. Two wires to the male/female sides of the intake manifold sensor and the other to the rpm signal wire. The wires come in black looms, so everything stays neat and inconspicuous. You can either screw the box onto a surface (with the two screw holes designed into the box) or double-side sticky tape like I did until I find its permanent home.

Road Test = http://forums.evolutionm.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forums.evolutionm.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forums.evolutionm.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forums.evolutionm.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forums.evolutionm.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gif http://forums.evolutionm.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
First Reaction = "Holy Sh*t!" (and I'm sure yours will be the same http://forums.evolutionm.net/images/smilies/lol.gif)

It's amazing how this chip completely changed the feel of my car! Now there's power throughout the whole band, especially in the low end where it was needed. Very responsive! Acceleration and boost curve are smoooooth, no spiking like it was before. I'm not sure exactly how much wtq and whp I gained with this install until I can get on a dyno, but the difference is absolutely night and day, and this is just the 93 octane base map. Once the software is available, I can fine tune myself. I tried my hardest to throw a CEL, but couldn't. Then it started to rain. So, I thought it was a good time to go home and change my underwear. I made a right-hand turn and then gave her one last go on the straightaway and spun my wheels a bit in 1st due to the wet roads. The traction warning came up on the display and the "ASC Off" light came on (which resets when you turn the car off and back on). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe this is related to the chip, rather just the fact I lost traction. ?? Only more driving will tell.

Overall, I'm very pleased with the Zchip, it was worth every penny. As others have said, my evo now feels like an EVO!

^^^^ I would have to agree with talon, I was the first customer to get it put in and tuned at ttp on the dyno. I saw it with my own eyes. ignore what kind of dyno it was or what exactly happend. All I know is with a catback (buschur) upper IC pipe (buschur as well) and an MBC @ 24 psi. I went from 270 before mapping (with everything on and the MBC set to stock psi) to 348.6 whp peak. not bad for $439. I'm actuall selling my exhaust to make some money back. Any way you cut it, my car went from 240-250hp stock to 348 with the chip and a couple basic mods. Tomorrow I'm going to AWD motorsports to have the exhaust taken off and to have them dyno it real quick to finally satisfy everyone. let them tell you how it goes.

I still dont like the MBC though.

^^^^ It's not for everyone. But it's not set at anything the stock solenoid doesn't already peak at anyways so it's not boosting 28psi or anything.

Still dont like the idea of bypassing all the ecu safeguards. Tricking the ECU into making power by sending it false signals combined with tricking the stock boost controls via a MBC seems awfully risky.

We shall see what happens over time. ECUFlash for me though, i like my ECU controlling my power.

Still dont like the idea of bypassing all the ecu safeguards. Tricking the ECU into making power by sending it false signals combined with tricking the stock boost controls via a MBC seems awfully risky.

We shall see what happens over time. ECUFlash for me though, i like my ECU controlling my power.


I also own a z-chip and had it installed at TTP, my car made 352whp and it pulls like omfg.

MBC is not risky.....people have been using manual boost controllers forever.

Your stock boost controls DO NOT SENSE BOOST they only pulse.

your ECU Safeguards are not removed with the Z-Chip only the functions of Air / Fuel / Timing and Voltage are changed.

And those are 3 things i want my ECU to know exactly what is happening.

We all have our differing opinions, i respect yours. Ive just had horrible experiences with piggybacks myself.

I also own a z-chip and had it installed at TTP, my car made 352whp and it pulls like omfg.

MBC is not risky.....people have been using manual boost controllers forever.

Your stock boost controls DO NOT SENSE BOOST they only pulse.

your ECU Safeguards are not removed with the Z-Chip only the functions of Air / Fuel / Timing and Voltage are changed.

LOL oh ya I defiantly want something to change my air, fuel timing and voltage with out safe guards....and an low octane modified map in case it detects something....

Dude the chip if I'm correct will also modify the signals of the low octane map the ECU switches to in case of over boost or knock.

Another thing...

Does the zchip modify MIVEC?

And those are 3 things i want my ECU to know exactly what is happening.

We all have our differing opinions, i respect yours. Ive just had horrible experiences with piggybacks myself.
The ECU does know what is happening. It is still there with the same knock control, the factory low octane fuel and ignition timing maps unmolested.

As Capone stated, boost control solenoids x2 are a simple device that pulses. It does not have a sending unit sensing any type of boost.

LOL oh ya I defiantly want something to change my air, fuel timing and voltage with out safe guards....and an low octane modified map in case it detects something....

Dude the chip if I'm correct will also modify the signals of the low octane map the ECU switches to in case of over boost or knock.
What safeguards. Have you any idea what you are talking about?

The stock low octane timing, fueling, boost maps are unchanged. The ECU retains the factory knock control.

What could be safer than that?

I enjoy discussions about technical details, however one has to have the basic understanding of ECU's, mapping and knock control in order to have an educated dialogue from both sides.

What safeguards. Have you any idea what you are talking about?

The stock low octane timing, fueling, boost maps are unchanged. The ECU retains the factory knock control.

What could be safer than that?

I enjoy discussions about technical details, however one has to have the basic understanding of ECU's, mapping and knock control in order to have an educated dialogue from both sides.

That's what I was asking....does it or does it not modify the low octane map when detecting knock? How does this chip modify the high octane map and not the low? Aren't the signals changed post ECU? If so how does the chip know what map it's in?

Id like to know that too...Say you get some bad gas and you floor it..Normally the stock ECU will detect the knock and take you down the low octane fuel map, right?

But to my understand, the zchip modifys and sends its own spark and fuel maps to the injectors and COP's no matter which map the ECU is operating on , right?

Really in the end it just comes down to if you are a Piggyback guy or a Flash guy here. You have both camps here argueing a battle that will never be won, cause its just an opinion. I would prefer Ecuflash, but I would probably blow the car up myself so I will probably get an eccutek tune. A piggy back isnt a bad idea to me, but I want eveything controlled by the device, so the zchip doesnt do it for me cause you have to install a MBC as well as the device. To me a good Piggyback is plug and play, and takes only a few secs to take out of the car to go to the dealer. To remove the zchip and the mbc is a pain in the butt as much as my car has been there. Plus, the dealersip I go to are a bunch of idiots. I highly doubt my warranty would be void by a flash.

NO.

Z-chip modifes the map sensor, thus fooling the ecu to use a lower load OEM load table...If knock is detected, it will cut back timing no matter which load table it is using.

I own a z-chip, but prefer the flash...However, I doubt I will flash it for a while as I want to do EVERYTHING possible to retain my warranty while still getting some added performance.

The Z-chip I've had for 3 days still isn't installed. The reason is because I was unaware of the tach signal splice requirement. I have been working with TTP to see if they can source a molex connector for the coil, thus making the Z-chip 100% PNP and undetectable. I have also ordered a posi-tap in case the molex method is not available for awhile. I believe the Posi-tap is less intrusive and less detectable than the traditional wire tap.

Why is everyone so against piggy backs all of a sudden. In the past, that is all we had with MAF hacks and AFC's. Yes we know a flash is infinitely better in the long run, but until it's proven that the dealer cannot detect a flashed ECU, I will shy away from it.

And before anyone starts yelling "If you want your warranty, don't mod it", lasts ridicules. There are plenty of safe mods that can and should be allowed without sacrificing the factory warranty. So in the end, I choose the piggy back method to retain as much of my warranty as possible.

Another way of avoiding warranty issues may be to by a second ECU and flash the hell out of the second one, and only take the car back to the service department using the original ECU. Or when an AEM EMS is available, you could do that too.

Both tuning methods (flash vs piggy) have their place in this world, stop the bashing please.

Why is everyone so against piggy backs all of a sudden. In the past, that is all we had with MAF hacks and AFC's. Yes we know a flash is infinitely better in the long run, but until it's proven that the dealer cannot detect a flashed ECU, I will shy away from it.

And before anyone starts yelling "If you want your warranty, don't mod it", lasts ridicules. There are plenty of safe mods that can and should be allowed without sacrificing the factory warranty. So in the end, I choose the piggy back method to retain as much of my warranty as possible.

Another way of avoiding warranty issues may be to by a second ECU and flash the hell out of the second one, and only take the car back to the service department using the original ECU. Or when an AEM EMS is available, you could do that too.

Both tuning methods (flash vs piggy) have their place in this world, stop the bashing please.

^^^A completely well thought out post. This is exactly what I think.:amen:. Each side has good points. I say take what you personally like best and do it. I do think we need to continue the technical talk though so people can understand how the Zchip and Flash work though. Its really good for everyone the more we know about our options.

The start of this dialogue is to start of posting factual information about the products.

The members here are great, however some have no clue what they are talking about, yet spew misinformation like there is no end.

There should be an obligation to understand a product, prior to discussing it in a public forum. My .02c.

Public forums are a great place to understand a product..if we dont discuss them here (be it true or false information) where are we to get the information? The vendor is going to always be a bit biased..

So I went to AWD motorsports today (which is a buschur,dyno jet, and ECUtek favorer) and had my car dynoed. on TTP's dyno (Mustang 500 Euro) with the upper IC and catback I peaked at 348.6 whp, when I went to AWD dyno (dyno jet 424) WITHOUT catback (yes, I went back to stock....don't ask me, just go with it) I peaked at 322.6. So I'm sure that Buschur would like to know that their catback produced about 26whp. I don't want to give the catback all the credit because temp. were different on both dyno's test and both dyno's are different. I think even AWD were pretty impressed (although they didn't actually say it) with the chip as well. All in all my car is nearly stock and is (with a very MODERATE tune) producing (approx.) a healthy 75whp from the Z-chip, MBC, and upper IC (which may be contributing 5whp [if that], but looks hella shiney when I open the hood). I'm all :)'s

Ok so I have a question for everyone in this "debate" . There is a lot of talk of warranty and things like that. Why do you mod your car if you are worried about the warranty? If you ran best buy and a guy brought in a TV with a cord that was "converted" you wouldnt warranty it, would you? I am very interested in logging one of these Z chips so I can see what they are really doing. I like the flash route personally so you can have it custom tailored to whats on your car and can "see the numbers". Has anyone logged their "chip" or had any issues.

Ok so I have a question for everyone in this "debate" . There is a lot of talk of warranty and things like that. Why do you mod your car if you are worried about the warranty? If you ran best buy and a guy brought in a TV with a cord that was "converted" you wouldnt warranty it, would you? I am very interested in logging one of these Z chips so I can see what they are really doing. I like the flash route personally so you can have it custom tailored to whats on your car and can "see the numbers". Has anyone logged their "chip" or had any issues.


Please re-read post #153

Thats absolutely true there are safe mods. Unfortunately most of those are recgnized by the dealer. I personally mod the crap out of my car and have an ECUtek label on my dash. I would rather people at the dealership know and not touch my ECU rather than some mechanic "update my stock tune". If you are worried about your warranty than go piggyback and pray its a good one. This is along the lines of those people with lowered cars and BOVs that get pulled over and Ref'd then get on the intardnet to complain about it... its a neverending cycle...

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[quote=Chriso3030;92298]So I went to AWD motorsports today (which is a buschur,dyno jet, and ECUtek favorer) and had my car dynoed. when I went to AWD dyno (dyno jet 424) WITHOUT catback (yes, I went back to stock....don't ask me, just go with it) I peaked at 322.6. I think even AWD were pretty impressed (although they didn't actually say it) with the chip as well.

Hell no they wont admit it. They have already declared it............

[quote=Mike@AwdMotorsports;91195]Zchip is junk and will be the biggest Flop in Evo X Tuning software / hardware.. sit back and wait to see what happens with the 1st 50 people who get it.

And with that unbiased opinion (He had issues with TTP before the chip) anyone who is excited about or inquisitive of the chip is hereby deemed a FANBOY.

Will wait to see the results of the chip over time to make my decision as others may be too! I dont believe we are all sheep to be herded into stall by the 1st promising PB for the X.

I agree, thats why I bought the Z-chip...for now:thumbup:

Thats absolutely true there are safe mods. Unfortunately most of those are recgnized by the dealer. I personally mod the crap out of my car and have an ECUtek label on my dash. I would rather people at the dealership know and not touch my ECU rather than some mechanic "update my stock tune". If you are worried about your warranty than go piggyback and pray its a good one. This is along the lines of those people with lowered cars and BOVs that get pulled over and Ref'd then get on the intardnet to complain about it... its a neverending cycle...

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e163/blackside79/101_1596-2.jpg

[quote=Chriso3030;92298]So I went to AWD motorsports today (which is a buschur,dyno jet, and ECUtek favorer) and had my car dynoed. when I went to AWD dyno (dyno jet 424) WITHOUT catback (yes, I went back to stock....don't ask me, just go with it) I peaked at 322.6. I think even AWD were pretty impressed (although they didn't actually say it) with the chip as well.

Hell no they wont admit it. They have already declared it............

[quote=Mike@AwdMotorsports;91195]Zchip is junk and will be the biggest Flop in Evo X Tuning software / hardware.. sit back and wait to see what happens with the 1st 50 people who get it.

And with that unbiased opinion (He had issues with TTP before the chip) anyone who is excited about or inquisitive of the chip is hereby deemed a FANBOY.

Will wait to see the results of the chip over time to make my decision as others may be too! I dont believe we are all sheep to be herded into stall by the 1st promising PB for the X.


lol yeah so not only am i one of the first 50 people....technically i'm the 1st customer!!! and i think mike damn near is in love with the z-chip haha! I think he may go back and rewrite his opinion on the z-chip. BTW zeitronics is an aviation electronics company, and if anybody knows anything about aviation, the FAA won't let Zeitronics stay in business if it's product's so much as look bad, so i think they're pretty safe as an automobile electronics company......coming from someone who is in aviation!!!!(ME!!!) Call me when ECUtek deals with 2million$ airplanes (at the cheapest!!), and then i'll trust them lol hahahahaha z-chip ftw!

[quote=Chriso3030;92298]So I went to AWD motorsports today (which is a buschur,dyno jet, and ECUtek favorer) and had my car dynoed. when I went to AWD dyno (dyno jet 424) WITHOUT catback (yes, I went back to stock....don't ask me, just go with it) I peaked at 322.6. I think even AWD were pretty impressed (although they didn't actually say it) with the chip as well.

Hell no they wont admit it. They have already declared it............




lol yeah so not only am i one of the first 50 people....technically i'm the 1st customer!!! and i think mike damn near is in love with the z-chip haha! I think he may go back and rewrite his opinion on the z-chip. BTW zeitronics is an aviation electronics company, and if anybody knows anything about aviation, the FAA won't let Zeitronics stay in business if it's product's so much as look bad, so i think they're pretty safe as an automobile electronics company......coming from someone who is in aviation!!!!(ME!!!) Call me when ECUtek deals with 2million$ airplanes (at the cheapest!!), and then i'll trust them lol hahahahaha z-chip ftw!

LOL just becuase zeitronics is an aviation electronics company doesn't mean they will rock in the automotive. That's like a slaughter house trying to then grow vegetables and produce meats at the same time. They may do it and well you can't mess up vegetables that easily....they may still just not be the best vegetable growers (nor would they be found in the health food section :p ). Although both are transportation separate fields....and well you're right the FAA would be on their asses if they made crapy products....but DMV and local law enforcement agency's would on on our asses if they knew what was in out cars...just throwing that out there. Hahahaha. Can you tell I'm an ECU flash guy and not a chip? I am biased a bit but still I almost went chip with my Mazda till the flashers came out and showed way more benefits over a chip. Still if you want chip get it... Atleast I admit when I'm a fanboy of something. Haha. :godance:

Non ecutek reflash is not an option at this time. You can beg and plead and cry within the ecuflash forum for the release, however its not coming anytime soon. Its been months and months already and there are variations from car to car, from ecu to ecu and all of the definitions are screwy at this point.

I for one, applaud TTP's efforts on bringing another option to the Evo X community that does not FORCE a single option upon the masses.

The days of ecutek or nothing, take it or leave it are over. NOW there are some options finally, which are simple to install, allow the buyer to tune it themselves and not MARRY you to your tuner as they lock the ecu and all the while making it an affordable product.

Dollar per WHP, I would have gladly paid $800-1000 for the performance coming out of these X's with the ZChip. Luckily for us, they chose a price much more affordable on the wallet.

^^^^^I know. I just figured i'd make atleast one comment that was fanboyish. I really don't care what the product is as long as it's good. $hit, i'd buy an ecutek piggyback if they were into that! and as far as the "slaughter" analogy.....it'd be more like if a slaghterer wanted to switch from killing cows to killing pigs i would say. Anyways, i'm thinking of starting a new trend.....i'm going to flash my z-chip!!! lol :p

Non ecutek reflash is not an option at this time. You can beg and plead and cry within the ecuflash forum for the release, however its not coming anytime soon.

I wouldnt say that....

Rguy, who loves his JDM MIVEC map... and the timing he flashed in was really noticeable. :rock:

Non ecutek reflash is not an option at this time. You can beg and plead and cry within the ecuflash forum for the release, however its not coming anytime soon. Its been months and months already and there are variations from car to car, from ecu to ecu and all of the definitions are screwy at this point.

You do know there are cars in Nor-Cal that are running ECUFlash maps (non-beta testers too) from Bryan at GST Motor Sports? He's testing and helping the development of the ECUFlash program, so these cars don't come with ECUFlash for the customers but he's already tuning customer cars with it as the program already has enough to give you the power ECUtek flashes give. So I'm not sure you have the whole story....

http://www.norcalevo.net/forum/index.php/topic,34772.0.html

I wouldnt say that....

Rguy, who loves his JDM MIVEC map... and the timing he flashed in was really noticeable. :rock:

Spread some love brother :rock::rock:

You still haven't let me know how is the boost response ?? :thumbup:

I wouldnt say that....

Rguy, who loves his JDM MIVEC map... and the timing he flashed in was really noticeable. :rock:
That's awesome. So now the advanced timing can actually spark the 9.8AFR fueling of the car?

No thanks, I'll stick with a unit that will not change the flash count on the ecu so the dealer can see it, modifies ignition timing AND fueling, cures all misfires etc all in one plug n play unit I can take out at any time.

^ Are you telling me the ONLY mod you will ever do is the z-chip and you will never speed? The dealer could void the warranty if they knew you were going 5MPH over the speed limit as it's out of the scope of normal driving...

That's awesome. So now the advanced timing can actually spark the 9.8AFR fueling of the car?

No thanks, I'll stick with a unit that will not change the flash count on the ecu so the dealer can see it, modifies ignition timing AND fueling, cures all misfires etc all in one plug n play unit I can take out at any time.

Isn't there one wire you have to splice to install the zchip? Making it not completely undetectable when uninstalled? I was really interested in the zchip but it seems like everyone that has one or works for ttp seems to down play anything negative about it. I'm not hating, for some people its the perfect product for what they need. I just think other people would prefer a more traditional tuning method for peace of mind.

Is pretty funny how the Zchip is like a forbidden word over in evom tune forums. the whole thread was move and another pop up about how to install it, and that got lock. See how the Nazi treat other over there.

As for the zchip, im waiting for a few 3rd party reviews to make up my mind about it.

Isn't there one wire you have to splice to install the zchip? Making it not completely undetectable when uninstalled? I was really interested in the zchip but it seems like everyone that has one or works for ttp seems to down play anything negative about it. I'm not hating, for some people its the perfect product for what they need. I just think other people would prefer a more traditional tuning method for peace of mind.
Is suppose to be plug and play, no splicing, but the whole thing is hush hush, they won't even say how it works. And i have yet to see about another car duplicate what they advertised at first something around 107 HP at the wheels gain.

Is pretty funny how the Zchip is like a forbidden word over in evom tune forums. the whole thread was move and another pop up about how to install it, and that got lock. See how the Nazi treat other over there.

As for the zchip, im waiting for a few 3rd party reviews to make up my mind about it.

I agree, what does Evom have aginst the Zchip?

I would like to see some more info about tuning the Zchip with the software they are providing before I buy.

I want to get the DashDaq, but was told that it will not log Knock! What do we have for the EVO X that will log knock?

A good data logging program and a piggyback/chip that the end user can tune. Count me in ASAP.

We have NOTHING that is public to read knock. I've been looking and researching. EvoScan will log knock but support for the X is not there yet. We will just have to wait. And ECUFlash is also rumored to be making a data logging program for the X as well...but for now we can't tune all crazy. I don't know how the "pro tuners" read knock.

Just a little off topic, but I thougt I would put it out there. Just got it off evom. It makes me think that ECUFlash will be out SOON!

"Vishnu EvoX subzero reflash - not proceed
Anybody have this in their car yet? I was wondering if anyone had info, dyno graphs, etc. I just got the following email from Shiv...exciting time to be an evo owner...lots of cool things coming out http://forums.evolutionm.net/images/smilies/smilie_thumbsup.gif http://forums.evolutionm.net/images/smilies/mitsu_logo.gif

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EVO X Tuning Now Available

We would like to thank everyone for their patience! The Evo X tuning process has been a long and challenging project to say the least! It began nearly one full year ago and it's been non-stop ever since. The good news is that we're done. The bad news is... well, there's no bad news! Not only have we met our initial tuning goals of making the Evo X faster and more responsive, we've also addressed issues that have bothered us from the very first day we brought home our car from the dealership.


In addition to offering a solid 380bhp and 380lb-ft in an otherwise stock vehicle, our Evo X tune also does the following:

1) Eliminates the annoying "dead spot" between 2500-3000RPM
2) Improves idle stability
3) Improves fuel economy during cruise conditions.
4) Reduces turbo spool-up by 800RPM.


The end result is a car that is not only substantially quicker in any test of speed, but one that is also far more drivable and tractable around town. In the end, we decided to offer this tune using ECU "reflash" technology instead of the PROcede add-on piggy-back computer that we worked with early in the development process. The reason for this was that only the reflash/reprogramming approach gave us the ability to remap both intake and exhaust MIVEC maps which were critical to the elimination of the low RPM "dead spot" and improved boost response. While we were able to make the same ultimate power using the PROcede, we were not able to fix these flaws that existed in the stock vehicle. While shipping your ECU to us for reflashing is less-than-convenient, we are confident that it will result in the best possible tune for your vehicle.


Best Regards,


Shiv S. Pathak
Owner
Vishnu Performance Systems

Team Vishnu
"


I say wait till it's free!

Is suppose to be plug and play, no splicing, but the whole thing is hush hush, they won't even say how it works. And i have yet to see about another car duplicate what they advertised at first something around 107 HP at the wheels gain.
1 wire to splice which is a coil wire so that the unit can get a RPM signal. The other plugs into the MAP sensor. The 107 WHP was pushing the Z-Chip to the limit and I don't think they ever claimed that they would be releasing a unit that will give you those gains. Most people should see around 70WHP I believe.

1 wire to splice which is a coil wire so that the unit can get a RPM signal. The other plugs into the MAP sensor. The 107 WHP was pushing the Z-Chip to the limit and I don't think they ever claimed that they would be releasing a unit that will give you those gains. Most people should see around 70WHP I believe.

So you splice into a wire, and you have to manipulate the stock boost control and install a MBC...

If something happened with the car i can GUARANTEE they would check those areas for manipulation.


People are freaking out about the mistu dealer finding a flash counter that we arent even sure exists yet but are willing to hack in hardware...

So you splice into a wire, and you have to manipulate the stock boost control and install a MBC...

If something happened with the car i can GUARANTEE they would check those areas for manipulation.


People are freaking out about the mistu dealer finding a flash counter that we arent even sure exists yet but are willing to hack in hardware...

Exact same thing I was thinking. And as for the 107hp they advertised, I think they did eventually mention that their shop car's tune was very aggressive. Not something for they average joe with no way to monitor engine vitals. I'm sure most people will see 50-70 depending on fuel and such. Which still isn't bad.

So you splice into a wire, and you have to manipulate the stock boost control and install a MBC...

If something happened with the car i can GUARANTEE they would check those areas for manipulation.


People are freaking out about the mistu dealer finding a flash counter that we arent even sure exists yet but are willing to hack in hardware...
No, you don't have to install a MBC. You can run stock boost if you like.

So you splice into a wire, and you have to manipulate the stock boost control and install a MBC...

If something happened with the car i can GUARANTEE they would check those areas for manipulation.


People are freaking out about the mistu dealer finding a flash counter that we arent even sure exists yet but are willing to hack in hardware...

You do not manipulate any boost control. The unit has been tested to add +50 tq on 91oct conservative mapping on stock boost controlled by the stock ECU.

The flash count has been verified and I am friends with a dealer tech with the scantool they use to check it. I think it is called the MUT-III or IV.

Exact same thing I was thinking. And as for the 107hp they advertised, I think they did eventually mention that their shop car's tune was very aggressive. Not something for they average joe with no way to monitor engine vitals. I'm sure most people will see 50-70 depending on fuel and such. Which still isn't bad.

The one 3rd party result that was posted already was +72whp on one of their company's competitors dyno.

How do you like that for 3rd party results? When the other company wishes the product to fail and it ends up shining on their own dyno, it should say something.

I also ran across this today on another forum. I guess the ZChip won two global awards. 10 out of 2000 products were chosen for this award and the ZChip apparently got two of them.

http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo290/capone303/ZchipSEMAawards800.jpg

I agree, what does Evom have aginst the Zchip?

I would like to see some more info about tuning the Zchip with the software they are providing before I buy.

I want to get the DashDaq, but was told that it will not log Knock! What do we have for the EVO X that will log knock?

A good data logging program and a piggyback/chip that the end user can tune. Count me in ASAP.

By tapping into the tach signal, you can monitor RPMs and ignition timing and look for areas where it dips comparing it to a known safe level. You can tell at what load the dip occured and adjust timing accordingly.

You do not manipulate any boost control. The unit has been tested to add +50 tq on 91oct conservative mapping on stock boost controlled by the stock ECU.

The flash count has been verified and I am friends with a dealer tech with the scantool they use to check it. I think it is called the MUT-III or IV.

So pick your poison when it comes to your warranty... gamble with a software flash counter or gamble with a wire splice from the zchip.

So pick your poison when it comes to your warranty... gamble with a software flash counter or gamble with a wire splice from the zchip.
Pick your poison when it comes to the motor...gamble with a custom flash or gamble with a piggyback

Yes ECUflash will work on ECUtec flashes. You'll learn the OTS mail-in flashes are pretty safe and more can be squeezed out of them when tunning your self. I've actually never tunned a car my self by I'm trying for the first time very soon. Just do your research and there are people who are more than willing to help and give advice. Plus as Rguy said....why use a piggybakc such as the Z-chip to modify the ECUs signal when you can do without and change the ECU directly for more control?

Ahh good to know that the ECUFlash is available for the EVO X did not know if they had made a interface for that specific vehicle. Sorry , now getting Back on topic.

We have NOTHING that is public to read knock. I've been looking and researching. EvoScan will log knock but support for the X is not there yet. We will just have to wait. And ECUFlash is also rumored to be making a data logging program for the X as well...but for now we can't tune all crazy. I don't know how the "pro tuners" read knock.

One device many PRO tuners use to detect knock and or log knock counts when we they are tuning is with this little device. I have not ordered mine, but will surely do so since it has been given a lot of positive feedback by recognized tuners in the nation.

Here you go. (http://www.phormula.co.uk/default.aspx)
Another one that will also do a good job is this one (http://www.jandssafeguard.com/index.html).

Alberto

Ahh good to know that the ECUFlash is available for the EVO X did not know if they had made a interface for that specific vehicle. Sorry , now getting Back on topic.
ECUflash is NOT available at this time.

The ZChip has made more power and tq than any of these other methods mentioned.

With the ZChip however you get a removable piece of hardware that does not affect the flash count on your ecu that the dealer can see and void your warranty over.

ECUflash is NOT available at this time.

The ZChip has made more power and tq than any of these other methods mentioned.

With the ZChip however you get a removable piece of hardware that does not affect the flash count on your ecu that the dealer can see and void your warranty over.

Sure, you dont get a flash counter with the zchip, but you DO GET a much easier to find wire splice. :wallbash:

ECUflash is NOT available at this time.

The ZChip has made more power and tq than any of these other methods mentioned.

With the ZChip however you get a removable piece of hardware that does not affect the flash count on your ecu that the dealer can see and void your warranty over.

Exactly what is covered under warranty that a flashed ecu would come into question? And anyone know if the codes that are thrown end up being stored in the ecu even after being cleared? I know for instance in the S2Ks, over-revs are stored in the ecu.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=381594

Looks like the Z-chip isn't all it's cracked up to be...

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=381594

Looks like the Z-chip isn't all it's cracked up to be...

Well i did see some pictures and from that it does not look like a plug and play unit. You have to splice into a certain cable in one of the engine harness.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=381594

Looks like the Z-chip isn't all it's cracked up to be...


hmmm user error on a install?

z chip installed for about a week so far, and i love it

he has to have the stock lines for his mbc with the pill still in it

You need to splice into the tach wire which is my only gripe with the thing. I just ordered one and I'll get back with you all on before and after if possible.

^^I will have to say Im not a fan of the splicing of wires.

Its actually not cutting the wire, its more like just tapping it.

Still dont like the idea of bypassing all the ecu safeguards. Tricking the ECU into making power by sending it false signals combined with tricking the stock boost controls via a MBC seems awfully risky.

We shall see what happens over time. ECUFlash for me though, i like my ECU controlling my power.


I have to agree.. It has been said that the Z-chip might possibly be disabling the factory Knock sensor in order to make the power it does.. If thats the case this would be very dangerous if you were to end up with a bad tank of gas etc..

ECUflash is NOT available at this time.

The ZChip has made more power and tq than any of these other methods mentioned.

With the ZChip however you get a removable piece of hardware that does not affect the flash count on your ecu that the dealer can see and void your warranty over.

The zchip has only made power on 1 dyno.. You cannot say it has made more power than any other method.. The Fastest of 2 of the methods is the Ecutek car that went 6mph faster than the Highest HP z-chipped car.. Dyno paper means nothing, especially when it comes from the 1 and only company that is selling them..

^^^^^Mike just a early warning please. We would like to keep this very clean here. I do not want to turn this into a flame war. There are positives and negatives to both sides. Please do not steer this thread down the path of the ones on another Forum currently.

^^^^^Mike just a early warning please. We would like to keep this very clean here. I do not want to turn this into a flame war. There are positives and negatives to both sides. Please do not steer this thread down the path of the ones on another Forum currently.

I understand.. just trying to keep things factual.. Statements that no other tuning method has made the same dyno power is INACCURATE information.. Ill keep things factual and clean.. no problem..

Mike

^^^^Thank You

The 1st Z-chip car to bite the dust.. I would advise many of the eager to buy z-chip members to sit back and relax before they jump in without knowing how this thing actually works.. An Evo X with 320hp should not come apart like this guy described.. also the glowing turbo could be a sign of a very lean car if it was just a 0-80mph pull..

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showpost.php?p=6354086&postcount=79

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http://forums.evolutionm.net/showpos...6&postcount=79 (http://forums.evolutionm.net/showpost.php?p=6354086&postcount=79)

Not exactly what I'd call any actual useful info in that post.

also the glowing turbo could be a sign of a very lean car if it was just a 0-80mph pull.. Or it could mean the engine was hot and made some power. After all, aren't normal turbo EGT's in the 1500-1650 F range? Seems to me that the temperature for "glow" starts about 900 F.

Seriously, Mike needs to stop posting anything about the z-chip. We need to wait and see why his car's transfer case gave out. You just implied he blew his motor which he stated in a later post was fine.

My old bone stock 01 jetta had a glowing turbo too at night too. I guess I'll have to check my own vehicle one night and see if mine glows.

Anyway, he wrote this in that same thread.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=380682

I was next to a VR-4, actually about to do a couple of warm-up pulls. I'm a master technician (ASE Master +L1, many other certs). I haven't got around to seeing if the tcase shares fluid with the gearbox, or if they are independent of one another. Either way, it was certainly gear oil, no doubt about that. I suspect something in the area of the tcase tail-housing, possibly output shaft seal. I will update on this later. The car remained driveable, although I let it cool first and only moved at 35mph, whining all the way (no other options were available) home. Speed at 'failure' was about 78mph WOT. Engine is fine, but is just coming up due on its first ever oil change. http://forums.evolutionm.net/images/smilies/mitsu_logo.gif

Seriously, Mike needs to stop posting anything about the z-chip. We need to wait and see why his car's transfer case gave out. You just implied he blew his motor which he stated in a later post was fine.

My old bone stock 01 jetta had a glowing turbo too at night too. I guess I'll have to check my own vehicle one night and see if mine glows.

Anyway, he wrote this in that same thread.
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=380682


Never said MOTOR my friend.. I said zchip car.. That car has been experiencing constant ASC issue with the zchip and finally the driveline bit the dust.. Of course we do not know whats the cause as of yet but i feel like informing the community of the possible damages is the right thing to do.. Most smart people will not buy a brand new to the market part w/o seeing what real world results come of it.. I would sit back and wait to see how many more cars have issues before i jumped in an bought a zchip.. just my .02

The 1st Z-chip car to bite the dust..


Saying that implies motor to me. I am not a TTP fanboy, but I am trying to get away from the constant vendor bashing on Evom...

Short story; I had blown a my TC on my 03 Evo in 2004 and I waited until I had the car inspected by the dealer and the gear oil tested prior to pointing the blame at the vendor that replaced my clutch. I did that because I realize small business owners can have a lot at stake with a reputation and just raising the question can hurt when it could have just been a manufacturer issue or something I did to the car myself.

I have no idea why you guys aren't working together, but instead sit there and bicker with each other for days on end on Evom.

The ASC light is a valid concern. We need to know if the z-chip is causing this.

Saying that implies motor to me. I am not a TTP fanboy, but I am trying to get away from the constant vendor bashing on Evom...

Short story; I had blown a my TC on my 03 Evo in 2004 and I waited until I had the car inspected by the dealer and the gear oil tested prior to pointing the blame at the vendor that replaced my clutch. I did that because I realize small business owners can have a lot at stake with a reputation and just raising the question can hurt when it could have just been a manufacturer issue or something I did to the car myself.

I have no idea why you guys aren't working together, but instead sit there and bicker with each other for days on end on Evom.

The ASC light is a valid concern. We need to know if the z-chip is causing this.


Since I own a zchip, I can tell you that it IS causing the ASC light, but indirectly. 8 months of ownership and hard driving never ever caused a "service ASC" light. 200 miles on the zchip did, twice.

It's not the zchip directly causing it. I think it's because the ECU is being manipulated to achieve these results which causes some type of system sanity check to be triggered. I can tell you it runs like a scalded dog now:D

Will the ASC light be resolved, maybe...or maybe us Z-chip guys will have to be happy with 60-70hp gain vs 80-100. It will be fun to see what happens when we turn the boost down slightly. I did not hit the ASC issue until temps dropped to 50º and boost spiked to 25psi.

Once the TC/tranny failure in lallen3's car has been identified, I will continue to test.

Lets try to keep this to owners of the Z-Chip discussing their issues with the product, and eccutek people discussing issues and positives with their product. That's what the OP wanted. The ASC light is obviously an issue. It would be more helpful to the entire community if the people that understand the way things work assist with that. It does not help to say the first Z-chip car bit the dust. This is a derrogatory comment and only causes hard feelings. It may come out that the Z-chip is a major pain in the A**, and Im sure the owners of the chip will be the first to come on and post issues. Until then please avoid derrogatory comments. Also please keep your personal feelings towards a particular vendor or person out of this. In other words drop you personal agendas. This kinda bickering will not be tolerated. Whether you like TTP or not there are some Evo owners in need of help to resolve an issue instead of being a problem please help assist find a solution to the issue.

are there any ASC issues with the ecutec tune? or should i just plain skip the chips and get it dyno tuned and an ecu edit?

No Issues with Eccutek that I have heard of. I am sure you would hear it to with as many tunes have been done so far. I have heard of some clutch slipping with the MR as power gets to high, but thats about it.

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=381594

Looks like the Z-chip isn't all it's cracked up to be...

What are you talking about? All I have read is that a guy hooked up his boost controller backwards.

What does that have to do with the zchip?

I have to agree.. It has been said that the Z-chip might possibly be disabling the factory Knock sensor in order to make the power it does.. If thats the case this would be very dangerous if you were to end up with a bad tank of gas etc..

I have kept tabs on these threads from their inception.

The only ones to have spread this rumor is Mike@AWDMotorsports as he has some kind of problem with TTP.

Please keep your misinformational slander out of these technical threads as it does no one any good when you misrepresent a product on purpose to try and do it damage.

I for one will never do business with AWDMotorsports for this very reason.

No Issues with Eccutek that I have heard of. I am sure you would hear it to with as many tunes have been done so far. I have heard of some clutch slipping with the MR as power gets to high, but thats about it.


ASC LIGHT ON ECUTEK VERIFIED:

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9230&page=3

Post #30

I dont think we can say for sure that his problem is directly attributable to the ecutek tune though. It looks like he was pushing the limits and boosting very high.

^^^^Link Doesnt Work

The 1st Z-chip car to bite the dust.. I would advise many of the eager to buy z-chip members to sit back and relax before they jump in without knowing how this thing actually works.. An Evo X with 320hp should not come apart like this guy described.. also the glowing turbo could be a sign of a very lean car if it was just a 0-80mph pull..

http://forums.evolutionm.net/showpost.php?p=6354086&postcount=79

Mike @ AWDMotorsports should be banned from this site for his biased inability to keep things factual.

I for one am tired of reading his slanderous posts about TTP.

This gentleman lost the seal in his transfercase which was 100% unrelated to the ZChip.

Posts like these make me not want to even visit this site anymore.

^^If you would read a warning was given. If it continues to happen it will be dealt with. Post 209.

I dont think we can say for sure that his problem is directly attributable to the ecutek tune though. It looks like he was pushing the limits and boosting very high.

Understand and agree, but I didn't have the ASC light with the z-chip until Temps dropped and I spiked to 25-26psi as well. So it is not the chip causing the ASC light, it is sometype of overboost condition.

ASC LIGHT ON ECUTEK VERIFIED:

http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/sho...ed=1#post94881

Post #30
So is this a bad link or has the thread been removed by mods?

You link is bad...see those dots?

This thread is out of hand and is being closed for the timg being. If you'd like to discuss this further, please start a new thread and let's keep it clean, eh?