Ok, so if you're like me, you want an MR, but are hesitant to get it due to the fact that it has the SST rather than the 5MT.

I figured we could start a thread and list our worries about the SST transmission, and if any of us heard anything that should put a given fear to rest, we could quote the person and post the reply.

Now, as I understand it, there is a normal mode, sport mode, and supersport mode. Fee free to correct me if I'm wrong here.

The normal mode is sufficient for putting around town, and it automatically shifts for you.

The sport mode is more aggressive, shifts faster, and at a higher RPM. I think in this mode will allow you to do the shifting, unless you hit redline or so, in which case it will shift for you.

The supersport mode is like sport mode, except it won't ever shift for you, with the exception of the case where you go WOT at a low RPM, it will auto downshift for you.

So without further ado, my fears, worries, and questions:

-I'd honestly like the car to start off in sport mode by default. It will just help me feed connected to the car. If I wanted it to shift for me, I'd like to specify that, not have it be that way by default. Can I change this?

-In supersport mode, I think it's cute how it will auto downshift for you, but really, I'm fine. I'd rather not have that happen. After all, for tuning purposes and dyno pulls alone, I wouldn't be able to do what needs to be done if it was constantly downshifting for me. I'd want to change this. Would I need a TCU hack? some kind of piggyback? Would it be possible at all?

-I know how to fix a 5MT. I do it more often than I'd care to. I know jackshit about how the SST works internally. Will they be harder to work on than a traditional 5MT?

-The trans weighs ~50lbs more than the manual. Sure, we can't fix that, but I'd just like to complain about that. :)

-Will the TCU (transmission Control Unit) be a thorn in my side? Will it be another obstacle while modifying the car?

-How robust is the transmission itself? Will it be a limiting factor in terms of power? How about the clutches? Ultimately will this transmission be more limited in terms of power than a manual?

-Upgrades - will this transmission be more or less upgradeable than the 5MT?

-If it gets totally destroyed, will I have trouble finding one used? Will it cost me an arm and a leg?

-This is a first gen trans for mitsubishi, vs the 5MT that's a more robust version of its predecessor. Since it's first gen, will it have glitches and issues? If so, will the 2nd gen bolt up to the engine and work as a drop-in replacement?

That should be a good start. Post any that I may have missed, and feel free to answer any if you have good info.

I'm excited about the SST...don't get me wrong...I'm a 5 sp driver...I bought a Subaru forester and told the salesman it had to be 5sp...I just like feeling more connected to the car and actually driving it. I have a good feeling that supersport mode is going to still do that for me. And I think it helps that it has that exotic way-too-expensive sports car feel using the paddle shifters...the only thing I'm worried about is the fact that it's a first gen tranny...that's why I don't plan on any mods right away because if anything goes wrong, warranty will cover it... by the way, is it going to get the standard mitsubishi warranty? did previous evos get the same warranty?

Even with an all-new engine and the complex SAWC system in the EVO X, the biggest headache for tuners may reside in the TC-SST. Shift programs are designed in terms of shift timing, redline and clutch overlap time. The Transmission Control Module (TCM) is programmed to shift at the preset pre-redline point. Maximum downshift rpm is also limited by the engine. Stock power determines the amount of power each clutch can transfer without slipping, clutch engagement timing and gear overlap. With added power , everything will start falling out of sync.
The fact that the engine is turbocharged means the torque on the input shaft and each clutch varies with boost, throttle position and engine speed. So altering the shift program isnt as simple as changing the stock point. This doesnt even scratch the surface of tuning the SPORT mode, which works with yaw, wheel speed and steering sensors to figure out which gear to downshift to. While Audi/VW tuners have already started working on TCM reflash maps, coming up with something as good as factory tuning will not be easy, especially now that the Lancer has a Controller Area Network-bus(CAN-BUS) for chassis communications. But its possible--the Bugatti Veyron can make 1000hp via four turbos. And uses a similar tranny -JC, Sport Compact Car.

i think im just going to wait till they have the car on the road. they are currently doing testing on the sst (hence why its late). i'll check it out for myself and keep on the forum. im sure its going to be great for my purposes.. i think the key here is to ask yourself what you want the car for.

i think the key here is to ask yourself what you want the car for.

EXACTLY. Not every EVO X owner will race the car.

From what I read this how the tranny works:

In any of the modes it can be in auto or manual.

The sport mode is best for back road driving where you will fine lots of twisties.

The s-sport is best for track days since it holds the RPM at 6 or above.

I recall reading this in an article that I'll have to post later due to I'm at work.

-JC, Sport Compact Car.

I read that before, and it worried me. However, if I'm driving hard, I'll be in supersport mode anyway, but regardless, what you posted is something to consider.

From what I read this how the tranny works:

In any of the modes it can be in auto or manual.

The sport mode is best for back road driving where you will fine lots of twisties.

The s-sport is best for track days since it holds the RPM at 6 or above.

I recall reading this in an article that I'll have to post later due to I'm at work.



^That seems about right to me.

Oh, add launch control to the list as well. Will it launch better or worse? How is launching gonna work if you can't ease out the clutch?

Oh, add launch control to the list as well. Will it launch better or worse? How is launching gonna work if you can't ease out the clutch?


if your considering launch control your obviously serious about performance (down to every pound). if this is the case the SST would not a the best canidate. although they claim better performance in a track with twists and turns it lacks in sprints and quarter mile tack-offs. the manual does this with flyiing colors. some guy even described both cars as "built for different purposes".

did we solve the remote start issue on the SST??? if we did i forgot the thread it was on -can some1 pleez post a link.

if you guys need a source to this info just lemme know so i could dig up the article when i get home. it all comes down to what you want to get out of the car i guess......:confused:

There is a remote start on the SST, but I've heard mixed things in regard to remote start on the 5MT.

If you can find a good source, hit us with it!

EXACTLY. Not every EVO X owner will race the car.

they should. It just seems silly to buy a car that potent and NOT do at least autocross with it. You can't legally enjoy half of what the car gives you on the streets.

Even the Evo IX is computer overload for me, adding a CAN bus and other stuff... then stripping it of it's soul (6MT) and going with an automatically shifting transmission that if you want can shift about when you tell it to --yikes.

I really, deeply wish there was a 6MT option.. like 5MT on the RS (I know it isn't coming here anymore), 6MT on the GSR, 6MT OR SST on the MR. To replace a car that is such a proven tuning platform without providing for that by reassuring people about the merits of all this tech that at first glance appears to greatly restrict a tuners freedom.. not cool if you ask me.

Hey Dino I was reading your post on EvoM and it seems that you think the SST works different than has been said. That one guy on there is correct the SST has 3 shift modes normal, sport and s-sport. Each can be controlled by the computer or manually by the paddle shifters or center shifter. No one article seems to say it but can be pieced together if you read most of them. I know I know I sound "questionable" but that is what I got out of all those articles. The question remains will it shift to protect itself from over revving, which I think it will. But I think with out a doute there is a full auto mode and a full maual mode (not counting the over revving protection).

Hey Dino I was reading your post on EvoM and it seems that you think the SST works different than has been said. That one guy on there is correct the SST has 3 shift modes normal, sport and s-sport. Each can be controlled by the computer or manually by the paddle shifters or center shifter. No one article seems to say it but can be pieced together if you read most of them. I know I know I sound "questionable" but that is what I got out of all those articles. The question remains will it shift to protect itself from over revving, which I think it will. But I think with out a doute there is a full auto mode and a full maual mode (not counting the over revving protection).

it will shift to "protect" itself...in a sense...the different modes are for fuel efficiency...I'm sure it won't allow you to keep the revs above redline in the super sport mode...I don't remember which of the initial writeups I've read said it...but the only reason the 0-60 on the SST is .2 seconds different is because of a launch control that won't allow the car to launch above a certain RPM...I don't remember that RPM or the article...

i cant wait till the 2015 evo's hit showroom floors! i heard they shift AND STEER for you! SWEET!!:coffee:

There is a remote start on the SST, but I've heard mixed things in regard to remote start on the 5MT.

If you can find a good source, hit us with it!



you cant have remote start on manual trannies... im almost positive. correct me if im wrong

EXACTLY. Not every EVO X owner will race the car.

I read that article about the shift points on a track and comparing the SST to 5MT. I had a chuckle because, perhaps like maybe 5% or less of owners, I actual take my car to the track. But when I do, I am not flat out racing, it is driving instruction and training, and there is no passing. It is to enjoy the fun of driving my car at the track and learning how to handle my car. Maybe 0.1% of Evo owners will need to get to 140mph on the straights, but I doubt I ever will.

Maybe the Evo X is no fun anymore because it corners too well with all the sensors and computer control. Hopefully it is still fun. Reviewers seem to like it so far. I think the transmission is one more factor in the 'will it still be fun to drive' category, and I think the manual will be more fun. We shall see.

they should. It just seems silly to buy a car that potent and NOT do at least autocross with it. You can't legally enjoy half of what the car gives you on the streets.

When you autocross (I've not done it yet) do you ever get out of third gear? What are typical fastest speeds seen during an autocross? The only problem I can see with the manual vs sst is longer shift times, which is a real problem, but one I can live with. I, too, would prefer a 6MT, and according to my silly dealer I should be getting one.:wtfsign:

you cant have remote start on manual trannies... im almost positive. correct me if im wrong

you can if it is designed well enough (re: CompuStar)

When you autocross (I've not done it yet) do you ever get out of third gear? What are typical fastest speeds seen during an autocross? The only problem I can see with the manual vs sst is longer shift times, which is a real problem, but one I can live with. I, too, would prefer a 6MT, and according to my silly dealer I should be getting one.:wtfsign:

I know with a 5spd car you rarely get out of second gear. The way most courses are designed you never have to leave second gear after you get into it too. I know my 2nd gear fuel cut is at like 61mph (like 700rpm past redline) and I've hit it a few times during an autocross, usually on the final stretch before the finish line.

The shift times won't make much of a difference since you'll only need to shift once or twice. It just murders my soul to think that your left foot will be useless in the Evo X and that it can in fact just totally be driven every day of the week as an automatic. That just .. it's going too far. Sure make it an option, some will buy it for the performance, but 90% of americans will buy it because it's the easy, lazy way out.

Oh right, I completely understand now. You have to pay a lot more for the automatic version, but there is an automatic version finally, so sales should SKYROCKET in the U.S. since everyone is lazy here and most people can't even drive a real manual transmission.

bah, *removes Evo X from list of cars to think about for next car* -- pretty much the only car on my list at this point is the RX-8, which hopefully I can catch before they do a redesign, I love them as they are now :)

You know what I didn't see in the list? The location/attachment of the paddles shifters. They're attached to the column! WTF? I've only driven one paddle shift car (IS350) and I was glad when I could shift in a turn while not letting go of the wheel. In the EVO your going to need to slide your hand down.

Even the Evo IX is computer overload for me, adding a CAN bus and other stuff...

The electronics in the IX are a good thing, AFAIK.

then stripping it of it's soul (6MT) and going with an automatically shifting transmission that if you want can shift about when you tell it to --yikes.

I really, deeply wish there was a 6MT option.. like 5MT on the RS (I know it isn't coming here anymore), 6MT on the GSR, 6MT OR SST on the MR. To replace a car that is such a proven tuning platform without providing for that by reassuring people about the merits of all this tech that at first glance appears to greatly restrict a tuners freedom.. not cool if you ask me.


Agreed.

Hey Dino I was reading your post on EvoM and it seems that you think the SST works different than has been said. That one guy on there is correct the SST has 3 shift modes normal, sport and s-sport. Each can be controlled by the computer or manually by the paddle shifters or center shifter. No one article seems to say it but can be pieced together if you read most of them. I know I know I sound "questionable" but that is what I got out of all those articles. The question remains will it shift to protect itself from over revving, which I think it will. But I think with out a doute there is a full auto mode and a full maual mode (not counting the over revving protection).

Right, I understand that, but my point is that it seems like it will auto downshift, even in supersport mode. But again, I don't see anything solid either way.

you cant have remote start on manual trannies... im almost positive. correct me if im wrong

I thought so too, but like I said, i've heard conflicting things.

I know with a 5spd car you rarely get out of second gear. The way most courses are designed you never have to leave second gear after you get into it too. I know my 2nd gear fuel cut is at like 61mph (like 700rpm past redline) and I've hit it a few times during an autocross, usually on the final stretch before the finish line.

For the love of christ, shift to 3rd.

The shift times won't make much of a difference since you'll only need to shift once or twice. It just murders my soul to think that your left foot will be useless in the Evo X

Even in the SST models, your left foot won't be useless. Trail braking ftw.

and that it can in fact just totally be driven every day of the week as an automatic. That just .. it's going too far. Sure make it an option, some will buy it for the performance, but 90% of americans will buy it because it's the easy, lazy way out.

Are you calling me fat?

Oh right, I completely understand now. You have to pay a lot more for the automatic version, but there is an automatic version finally, so sales should SKYROCKET in the U.S. since everyone is lazy here and most people can't even drive a real manual transmission.

bah, *removes Evo X from list of cars to think about for next car* -- pretty much the only car on my list at this point is the RX-8, which hopefully I can catch before they do a redesign, I love them as they are now :)

So you're removing the X from your list of potential next cars simply due to the fact that you can get the SST box?

...

You know what I didn't see in the list? The location/attachment of the paddles shifters. They're attached to the column! WTF? I've only driven one paddle shift car (IS350) and I was glad when I could shift in a turn while not letting go of the wheel. In the EVO your going to need to slide your hand down.

Yeah, i brought that up awhile ago and thought it was kinda weak too. However, the paddles are "tall" so you should be able to grab them from anywhere.

I can't believe people are still hating on the SST...I understand the complaints of it not coming with a 6MT gearbox, but all the reviews keep saying the new 5MT gearbox is stronger...don't get the SST if you don't want it...the SST is slower by .2 of a second in a straight line...big deal...those numbers were put up by a professional...I highly doubt all of these skeptics will be able to match that...I would put an SST driven evo x against one of these haters in a 5sp and the SST will most likely win due to lack of driver error...

I for one come from an area where traffic makes me want to gouge out my eyes...I went to LA last year and was told not to hit the 5 anytime between 3 and 7...compared to the DC-Baltimore metro area traffic (where I hail from), LA traffic is f*ing speeding...I'm sick and tired of sitting behind a soccer mom in her 37 passenger Expedition coasting...My left knee needs replaced by the time I'm done...I will enjoy coasting in full auto in traffic but love the sport and super sport manual mode on the back roads...

I can't believe people are still hating on the SST...I understand the complaints of it not coming with a 6MT gearbox, but all the reviews keep saying the new 5MT gearbox is stronger...don't get the SST if you don't want it...the SST is slower by .2 of a second in a straight line...big deal...those numbers were put up by a professional...I highly doubt all of these skeptics will be able to match that...I would put an SST driven evo x against one of these haters in a 5sp and the SST will most likely win due to lack of driver error...

I for one come from an area where traffic makes me want to gouge out my eyes...I went to LA last year and was told not to hit the 5 anytime between 3 and 7...compared to the DC-Baltimore metro area traffic (where I hail from), LA traffic is f*ing speeding...I'm sick and tired of sitting behind a soccer mom in her 37 passenger Expedition coasting...My left knee needs replaced by the time I'm done...I will enjoy coasting in full auto in traffic but love the sport and super sport manual mode on the back roads...

The concern stems from modifying the car... will the SST hold its own? How will the computer react with an extreme change in variables... we're just looking for answers. We're not buying an RC car here and infact for many people this may be their first "big" purchase.

The concern stems from modifying the car... will the SST hold its own? How will the computer react with an extreme change in variables... we're just looking for answers. We're not buying an RC car here and infact for many people this may be their first "big" purchase.

^^ agreed

It's just one more computer system to deal with when modding the car. Cracking the ECU stuff is difficult enough, but to add a transmission that from a computer sense is WAY more complicated than even a traditional automatic --that just kills the fun.

I'd rather use my foot, brain, and right hand --and make the gears stronger if needed when increasing the power. --but with a 6 speed, not a 5. It'll be 2008 after all.

Computer systems like the AWD, ABS, yaw control, etc.. all good if done right. None of them take control away from the driver (key: if done right. ABS can be done very poorly (3rd gen Protege)), the SST does.

The first time that crap downshifted on me when I didn't tell it to I'd freak.

I guess I'm a stubborn old purist at the ripe age of 21? lol.

and yes dino, I'm calling you fat ;)

After reading this thread just thought I'd let you p-ssies know that real drivers don't use safety equipment.

Signed,

Juan Manuel Fangio

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The concern stems from modifying the car... will the SST hold its own? How will the computer react with an extreme change in variables... we're just looking for answers. We're not buying an RC car here and infact for many people this may be their first "big" purchase.

I know...I completely understand from the modifying/tuning standpoint...I guess because I've already been down that road I haven't been thinking too much about it with this car...I bought a wrx with the thought of putting the extra 10k I saved instead of buying an STi into mods for the wrx to make it faster than an STi...well 10k later...I just barely had more HP than a stock STi, but I didn't have any of the suspension upgrades to go with it...or the brakes to stop me...or the 6sp tranny...so I told myself if I would ever do it again I would buy the car outright the way I wanted it in the first place

I know though that once a reflash is introduced or some bolt ons are introduced I won't be able to help myself :D

I would buy the car outright the way I wanted it in the first place


But you can always add more!!! Buy the best from the start AND THEN make it better.
If you could just buy a WRX and spend the price difference to make it better then an STi... wouldn't everyone do that? :P You shoulda got the STi, then saved more money and then put that money into the STi.

I know with a 5spd car you rarely get out of second gear. The way most courses are designed you never have to leave second gear after you get into it too. I know my 2nd gear fuel cut is at like 61mph (like 700rpm past redline) and I've hit it a few times during an autocross, usually on the final stretch before the finish line.

Yeah, what I thought. The X is still on my list, and it will give me enough kick in the ass when I can that I will not mind the stop and go we often see in Vancouver (I do not have a lengthy commute on a packed highway). I can see the merits in a stronger 5 speed, but what about the clutch? Do I need to baby it, or face the wrath of the service manager when he refuses to replace it under warranty after two months?

If the clutch can handle the power the car produces, there is no reason it shouldn't last 100K miles or more.

At 75K miles I replaced my clutch in the process of turbo-ing my car (making more power than the stock clutch would have been able to hold), but the original clutch looked almost new! That was with plenty of autocrossing on the stock clutch, AND me learning how to drive a manual transmission with this car.

I can't believe people are still hating on the SST...I understand the complaints of it not coming with a 6MT gearbox, but all the reviews keep saying the new 5MT gearbox is stronger...don't get the SST if you don't want it...

But I want the MR...so now I have to choose 5MT or MR. One or the other, but not both.

I for one come from an area where traffic makes me want to gouge out my eyes...I went to LA last year and was told not to hit the 5 anytime between 3 and 7...compared to the DC-Baltimore metro area traffic (where I hail from), LA traffic is f*ing speeding...I'm sick and tired of sitting behind a soccer mom in her 37 passenger Expedition coasting...My left knee needs replaced by the time I'm done...I will enjoy coasting in full auto in traffic but love the sport and super sport manual mode on the back roads...

Then SST is perfect for you.

The concern stems from modifying the car... will the SST hold its own? How will the computer react with an extreme change in variables... we're just looking for answers. We're not buying an RC car here and infact for many people this may be their first "big" purchase.

+1

I know...I completely understand from the modifying/tuning standpoint...I guess because I've already been down that road I haven't been thinking too much about it with this car...I bought a wrx with the thought of putting the extra 10k I saved instead of buying an STi into mods for the wrx to make it faster than an STi...well 10k later...I just barely had more HP than a stock STi, but I didn't have any of the suspension upgrades to go with it...or the brakes to stop me...or the 6sp tranny...so I told myself if I would ever do it again I would buy the car outright the way I wanted it in the first place

I know though that once a reflash is introduced or some bolt ons are introduced I won't be able to help myself :D

There's a big difference here.

Before you bought the lower model as opposed to the higher model, and planned up upgrading it to such.

Now you're buying the highest model, and you want to upgrade it more. That's practical, since there is no higher model to buy instead.

But you can always add more!!! Buy the best from the start AND THEN make it better.
If you could just buy a WRX and spend the price difference to make it better then an STi... wouldn't everyone do that? :P You shoulda got the STi, then saved more money and then put that money into the STi.

I know... in hindsight I know I should've gotten the STi in the first place...I thought I was being sneaky though giving my insurance company the runaround...yea, no..

There's a big difference here.

Before you bought the lower model as opposed to the higher model, and planned up upgrading it to such.

Now you're buying the highest model, and you want to upgrade it more. That's practical, since there is no higher model to buy instead.

exactly...and I can't f*ing wait...

I would want the 6MT MR if there were one, but I don't want to wait for 15 months either. So I will get what I want now, the GSR 5MT with SSS package.

Based on the history of the evo's 6MT, I'd take teh 5MT over it.

Really? Just how weak were the 6MTs?

Really? Just how weak were the 6MTs?

They are weak if you launch the car at redline on every light.

Maybe marketing effect has the better of us. Do we want more gears because more is better? If the 5 MT is strong and with the engine torque can pull like a donkey on crack then it should be good enough for me. (I like to make up my own sayings, they don't have to make sense!)

I am undecided on the location of the paddles. I have driven cars with them on the column and on the wheel. So far I like the ones on the column better.

Steering Wheel Pros: Easier to reach if the wheel is slightly turned.

Steering Wheel Cons: If you have to turn the wheel past a certain degree (~1/2 revolution) and take your hands off the wheel to turn it, the paddles are totally lost.

Column Pros: If turning wheel more (~1/2 revolution) the paddles are still in the same place and easier to locate than if they were on the wheel.

Column Cons: If the wheel is turned slighty you have to adjust your hands on the wheel to shift.

More input I have is that I have only driven these cars for ~1 or 1.5 miles with sharp turns (parking lots) so how often in normal driving would you have that many sharp turns where you would benefit from the column paddles and I am sure that you would get really good at using them once you drive it all the time.

Hope this helps with the comparison.

yeah during really sharp turns.. thinking autocross maneuvers, steering wheel mounted would suck! I say steering wheel mounted is only 'good' if the steering wheel has less degrees of rotation lock to lock than your arms.

Plus 90% of drivers won't use the paddles often at all, just letting the computer work it's magic.

They are weak if you launch the car at redline on every light.

Hahahaha... well... that's not very much to complain about... if you do that you deserve it XD

supposedly it great for launch iiread an article somewhere if i can find it ill post it but if your in ss mode then you just have to be compedint when shifting from 1st to 2nd
im going to wait i thought about runnin down and throwin in my depo and snagin the first thing out but then i thought that would not be smooth move hell if i did that with every thing i would probably be dead (trial and error just with mtn bikes) so i think im going to wait for the reviews after the first shipment

yeah during really sharp turns.. thinking autocross maneuvers, steering wheel mounted would suck! I say steering wheel mounted is only 'good' if the steering wheel has less degrees of rotation lock to lock than your arms.

Production car steering is not set-up for racing. Ideally you would not need to move your hands on the wheel, but you do in reality. One hand (the top) should not move. I think I would prefer paddles that turn with the wheel.

yeah thats whats ive been saying about the following paddles or at least ones that swivle closer to contact when you turn left or right

I guess it works fine either way, because in normal driving (road course or on the street) you really don't need to turn the wheel a crazy amount unless turning from one street onto another, in which case you'd have both hands on the wheel so a traditional manual transmission wouldn't be doing you any good either!

and another good point i only drive with one hand most the time anyways

Another thing I thought of with the paddles is that I think some of them have up/down shift on the same paddle (top is up and bottom is downshift). Others have the left as downshift and the right as upshift. If you can up and down shift on the same paddle it wouldn't matter as much if you had to turn the wheel as long as you can find one of the paddles.

the SST can still be shifted manually by slapping the shifter forward or back

and of course the manual trans diehards are suddenly keen on keeping both hands on the steering wheel, lol

the SST can still be shifted manually by slapping the shifter forward or back

and of course the manual trans diehards are suddenly keen on keeping both hands on the steering wheel, lol

From all I've read (this thread and many other places) the transmission WILL shift for you, no matter what, no matter what mode you are in. It'll shift just before redline, downshift, etc. It might not have the power-sapping and slow shifting of a slushbox automatic, but it is still an automatic in the way is sucks your soul out :P

Production car steering is not set-up for racing. Ideally you would not need to move your hands on the wheel, but you do in reality. One hand (the top) should not move. I think I would prefer paddles that turn with the wheel.

and another good point i only drive with one hand most the time anyways

When I said top hand I meant when in the middle of a turn. Going straight your hands should be at positions 9 and 3 on the wheel, both hands on the wheel for control and reaction time. I don't like to see lazy driving style with the seat back and one hand on the wheel. This is a performance car and when driving in a spirited fashion, whether in town, on an auto-x course, or on a race track, it should be driven with proper technique and in control.

I'm 9 and 3 all the time (when not actively shifting). I just feel like I'm not even driving otherwise. I'm also one of those people that has my seat adjusted where I like it for autocross and I never change it :) the seatback is so upright but even 9+ hour drives it's comfy, probably because I'm actually using the seatback to support my back, not seat leaned back and leaning forward to compensate.

it scares me when I see people all leaned back drivin on the road as if they are piloting a ship on open water. control your shit or you'll kill someone!

/rant :D

I test drove a GTS yesterday and I don't think the paddles will be a problem. They are about 4 inches long, so even when you are going through the turn at least one finger should be able to reach, or as stated earlier you could always you the regular shifter.

^ how and where did you get to test drive?

The GTS is the Lancer not the Evo, it all so has paddle shifters very similar to the Evo.

Yeah, it's just the regular lancer that has paddles. I just went to a dealership here in NY and asked to test drive it, the guy was awesome, he let me do whatever I wanted to the car but I was nice to it ;)

^o duhh im a lil slow

and another good point i only drive with one hand most the time anyways

:ohsnap:

:bggay:

the SST can still be shifted manually by slapping the shifter forward or back

You mean the one on the center console?

and of course the manual trans diehards are suddenly keen on keeping both hands on the steering wheel, lol


hehe

and of course the manual trans diehards are suddenly keen on keeping both hands on the steering wheel, lol

Of course, everyone knows you need to control the wheel and only remove one hand to shift for a second or less. We also know that an automatic transmission means not having to remove one hand to shift, but that is what it is. There are pros and cons to each option. Someday we will all use paddle shifters with manual-auto boxes, but until then I will enjoy the manual shifter stick.

I thought that by using the SST, the downtime between getting into gears will be significantly decreased though. So why is the SST .2 sec slower than the manual?

I thought that by using the SST, the downtime between getting into gears will be significantly decreased though. So why is the SST .2 sec slower than the manual?

Unless it has a different flywheel the revs will drop just as fast so it can't do it faster than a human. I guess in theory it'll do it more perfectly than a human would long term. You can easily engineer a test where a 6spd is slower than a 5spd though, as most (all?) 6spds require an extra shift to get to 100km/h vs a 5spd.

The dilemma between getting a MR and a MSR grows bigger by the day..........

I get the sense that people don't understand that there are three ways that the SST can shift between gears

Manual shift using the steering column paddles

Manual shift using the center console shifter

Autoshifts itself

I get the sense that people don't understand that there are three ways that the SST can shift between gears

Manual shift using the steering column paddles

Manual shift using the center console shifter

Autoshifts itself

Yes, so it's an automatic transmission that you can tell to change gears. It will change automatically near redline even in the sportiest of sport modes. From what I've read it'll downshift automatically in that sport mode as well.

Hopefully the system isn't incredibly difficult to hack and can be modded to a person's desires.

^"In either case, when the TC-SST is in Manual mode, there are absolutely no automatic shift changes."

TC-SST is the way to go if this is true.

When the SST is in manual mode it WILL NOT shift for you! That comes directly from Mitsu website. It is not a automatic the you can shift, it is a manual that can be put in a computer controlled mode.

This right from the horses mouth...

2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Debuts Two New Transmissions: 6-Speed Twin-Clutch Sportronic Shift Transmission (TC-SST) For Evolution Mr And 5-Speed Manual For Evolution GSR

November 15, 2007 -- CYPRESS, Calif. --
The 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution debuts the brand's first-ever automated manual transmission, the advanced 6-speed Twin-Clutch Sportronic Shift Transmission (TC-SST). An exclusive feature of the Evolution MR model for 2008, the TC-SST, is capable of executing lightning-quick upshifts with no drop-off in engine power. The TC-SST features both a console-mounted shifter and magnesium steering wheel paddle shifters and offers manual and fully automatic modes.

The 2008 Lancer Evolution GSR model will be exclusively equipped with a new higher-torque-capacity 5-speed manual transmission.

The TC-SST executes shifts more quickly than a driver could in a pure manual transmission. It is also much quicker than either a torque converter automatic transmission or a single-clutch automated manual transmission, such as those used in some luxury brand and exotic sports cars. In the 2008 Lancer Evolution MR, the new TC-SST provides the engaging driving experience and engine-control benefits of a manual transmission, but without the need to use a clutch pedal. In automatic "Normal" mode, the TC-SST provides quick, seamless shifts with better fuel efficiency than a conventional torque converter automatic.

The TC-SST executes shifts with a consistency no driver can match, benefiting performance and fuel efficiency compared to conventional manual or automatic transmissions.

How TC-SST Works
The TC-SST, for all its capability, uses a less complex structure than a conventional torque converter automatic transmission. It is the advanced electronic and hydraulic controls that allow the precision operation required to make the transmission suitable for a road car. Essentially, the TC-SST is a manual transmission that can select two gears at a time: one gear is engaged by one of the two wet multi-plate clutches, and the other is pre-selected, awaiting to be engaged by the second wet multi-plate clutch.

The gear change is made – either manually or automatically depending on mode selected – when the clutches are "swapped," which occurs simultaneously, with no perceptible lag time. The two clutches are electro-hydraulically operated. Upshifts and downshifts occur in just a fraction of a second, the longer interval necessary for the engine control module to "blip" the throttle to match engine and transmission speeds.

In principal, the TC-SST behaves like two three-speed manual transmissions operating on the same output shaft. The odd-number gears and even-number gears are on separate input shafts, and each shaft is connected to an individual clutch. The odd and even gear shafts are linked via a transfer gear, which results in a shorter overall transmission length. The transmission ECU, sensors and solenoids are all housed within the transmission valve body.

Shifting Options
The console-mounted shifter has four positions, similar to a conventional automatic transmission: P, R, N and D. With "P" or "N" selected, the transmission control module (TCM) pre-selects 2nd and Reverse gears, with each clutch free as preparation for selection.

Selecting D, shift fork #1 is moved to the 1st gear side, meshes with first gear and gradually engages clutch #1 (for odd-number gears). Simultaneously, the TC-SST pre-selects 2nd gear by moving shift fork #2 to the 2nd gear side, where it rests meshed with 2nd gear. With the transmission in D and the vehicle at a stop, the clutch is intentionally slipped (in R, as well) to provide "creep" as in a conventional automatic or continuously variable transmission. Pressing the accelerator pedal fully engages the clutch, and the car moves.

At the upshift (manual or automatic), clutch #1 disengages while clutch #2 simultaneously engages; the shift, or "torque handover," is accomplished through the clutch swap. Simultaneously, 3rd gear is pre-selected in the same manner, and so on.

The handoff from one clutch to the other means that there is always a clutch engaged, resulting in faster and smoother shifts with no torque loss, because there is no perceptible "on/off" as there is in a conventional manual transmission or a single-clutch automated manual.

Manual and Automatic
The choice of Automatic and Manual operation in the TC-SST makes this new transmission a versatile choice for both maximum performance and convenience. If the driver leaves the shifter in D, shifting is fully automatic, and the driver has control over shifting behavior through three selectable drive modes: Normal, Sport and S-Sport. The default mode is Normal. In Automatic operation, each drive mode controls shifting according to its own shift map and in response to various inputs from the engine, the steering, wheel speed sensors and S-AWC system.

The drive mode switch is located behind the shifter on the console. Pushing it forward ("+") changes drive mode to Sport, and then pushing it up again changes it to S-Sport. The driver can switch between Normal and Sport modes at any time or vehicle speed. Switching from either Normal or Sport to S-Sport, however, can only be done at vehicle standstill or very low speeds (switch need to be held for 3 seconds for S-Sport). While in any drive mode, the driver can change to manual mode at any time by using the paddle shifters (details in next subsection).

For use around town and other daily driving situations, Normal mode uses relatively low-speed shift points to deliver unobtrusive shifting for maximum comfort together with optimum fuel economy. Sport mode uses higher shift points and quicker shifting to deliver instant throttle response for better performance feel. Sport mode is also useful for driving in mountainous areas or when engine braking is required.

The S-Sport mode can be selected for performance driving situations, such as track driving. Compared with Sport mode, S-Sport keeps the engine turning at higher revs while allowing lightening-fast shifting. Consequently, the driver will feel shift shock in S-Sport mode, which is recommended mainly for proper performance-driving venues.

Special Automatic Talents
The TC-SST of course has been designed to work with the Lancer Evolution MR's dynamic handling systems. In any of the three drive modes, the TCM continuously take input from engine operating parameters, including engine speed and torque, as well as information from the Super-All-Wheel Control system. The driver can expect, therefore, that the TC-SST will select the best gear for any given cornering situation.

As with a conventional automatic transmission, the TC-SST provides a kick-down function, quickly selecting a lower gear when the accelerator pedal is suddenly pressed to the floor. Shifting intelligence will hold lower gears while the vehicle is ascending an incline (for power) or descending (for engine braking). Here again, pulling one of the paddle shifters will instantly switch the transmission into manual mode to give the driver even more control.

Manual Operation
In any of the three drive modes – Normal, Sport and S-Sport – the driver can select Manual operation, and the drive mode chosen affects shifting speed. Normal mode provides the smoothest shifting and is ideal for urban driving. Sport mode will quicken the shifts and is ideal for country or mountain road driving. The S-Sport mode executes the quickest shifts possible, making it ideal for competitive track events. Since the driver and passengers will feel shift shock in S-Sport mode, it is not advisable for everyday driving.

The driver selects Manual operation in two ways: (1) with the console shifter, by pulling it back past D and then leftward into the Manual slot. Then, pulling the shifter rearward ("+") selects and upshift and pushing it forward ("-") selects a downshift.

(2) If the driver selects D with the console shift (Automatic mode), pulling on either of the magnesium steering wheel paddle shifters at any time afterward will switch the transmission to Manual mode. The right side steering wheel paddle is for upshifts ("+") and left side for downshifts ("-"). In either case, when the TC-SST is in Manual mode, there are absolutely no automatic shift changes.

If the console shift is in D, then the transmission will revert to Automatic mode when the car comes to a very slow crawl or stops. If the console shift is in the Manual slot, the transmission will automatically shift to 1st gear at a stop or very slow speed (as it will in D), but it will remain in Manual mode when the driver accelerates again.

While the car is in motion, the driver can switch between Manual and Automatic modes at any speed. Pulling the upshift paddle ("+") and holding it for one second will switch the TC-ST into Automatic mode. Pulling the downshift paddle ("-"), however, always results in a quick downshift. When driver turns off the ignition, the engine will run for about two seconds to disengage 2nd and Reverse gears from pre-selection.

TC-SST Shifter
The magnesium steering wheel paddle shifters used in the 2008 Lancer Evolution MR were first used on the 2007 Outlander SUV and are also seen on the Lancer GTS equipped with the continuously variable transmission. The console shifter in the Evolution MR, however, is new and unique to this model. Mitsubishi specially designed it to impart a different feel than shifters used on conventional automatic transmissions that offer some form of manual control.

^ Okay then. Now they need to finish up tweaking this system.

It is still you pressing a button and the computer shifts the transmission. That is an automatic transmission.

I'm completely aware that it is a computer-controlled automated transmission, but that makes little philosophical difference. That gear lever does not shift gears, it is completely electronic. It is an automatic transmission, just not a conventional one.

I do love reading about the TC-SST tech, gosh they really had to work for years to get the manual and automatic mods, the various sport modes, all the little quirks worked out, and I respect that to a point. When it comes down to it, it's about money, and with only 1/10th of cars sold in the United States having a manual transmission, they were seriously limiting their customer base by keeping the car manual-only.

Let's face it, Mitsubishi has not been doing well as a company for quite some time. They can't afford to limit their customer base, even on a car such as the new Evo. I just wish they would give enthusiasts the option to retain a manual transmission on the MR. It just sucks when the trim levels and packages just can't build the car you want. Sadly all this TC-SST stuff would make me seriously consider the STi as a viable alternative, even giving it's ghastly styling.

no, it's an automated manual transmission

if you don't agree then you don't know diddly about automatic transmissions that use sun gears, sliding belts, and torque converters

I'm sure that when electric engine starters came out all the purists stated that only a real man would crank start their own engine

preceded by all the purists who stated that only a real man would ride a horse

preceded by the purists who stated that only a real man would be carried around by slaves

preceded by the purists who stated that only a real man would use their own two feet

Yes, that's right.. I know nothing about automatic transmissions.. oh wait.

I never said it was a traditional automatic transmission. Even Mitsubishi doesn't call it a manual transmission, rather comparing it to other 'traditional' automatics.

Automatic = the transmission can be automatically shifted.
Manual = the transmission cannot be automatically shifted, rather the shifting is operated by the driver.

I'm sure this automatic will be an excellent boost for the aftermarket for the new Evo, as any granny will be totally able to drive the car (not that they would tolerate the suspension :P ).

I'm a computer guy --and as much as I love filling my life with technology, the car is one place where I think it has gone too far to numb the experience. Yes, the tech makes it easier to be safe on the road, shortens the learning curve, etc but that doesn't automatically make it better for an enthusiast. For example, some (obviously not all) ABS systems equipped on cars are far too primitive and can hinder a driver during agressive track driving. Some cars have electronic nannies that can't even be turned off!

While it is a godsend in my mind that in the sportiest sport mode it will not automatically shift at all ever, but I still can't support something that takes away so much driving feel. Would you rather click an electronic switch in the form of a paddle and have the computer shift within milliseconds, or would you rather operate a clutch pedal, and shift a rod linkage that actually shifts the gears of the transmission? Obviously it's a matter of personal choice.

I just hope Mitsubishi either works out the production line gremlins of this new automated transmission fully --or just abandon it. The last thing Mitsubishi needs is warranty repairs causing them to lose money on the Evo X project.

Both defintions fit for the SST. Just cause it doesn't have a clutch doesn't take away from it's abilities as a manual. If it's good enough for the Veryon it's good enough me ;). I think it's a good idea to make a manual with abilities of a auto with none of the negatives. There where only 2 things i was worried about, 1. will it shift for you if in manual. that worry has been put to rest. now i only worry about how will it take to power inceases. I think when it comes to this tranny which is not like the DSG (which will shift for you) you should change your thinkin and see it's something new that can kick ass if done right and Mitsu is tryin very hard to look toward the future and not get suck in the "its only a real car if you can clutch in row the gears and clutch out". the fastest production car in the world doesn't have a clutch.

Both defintions fit for the SST. Just cause it doesn't have a clutch doesn't take away from it's abilities as a manual. If it's good enough for the Veryon it's good enough me ;). I think it's a good idea to make a manual with abilities of a auto with none of the negatives. There where only 2 things i was worried about, 1. will it shift for you if in manual. that worry has been put to rest. now i only worry about how will it take to power inceases. I think when it comes to this tranny which is not like the DSG (which will shift for you) you should change your thinkin and see it's something new that can kick ass if done right and Mitsu is tryin very hard to look toward the future and not get suck in the "its only a real car if you can clutch in row the gears and clutch out". the fastest production car in the world doesn't have a clutch.

Yeah it does have 0 of the negatives of a traditional automatic.
1. not giving you full manual control of gear selection.
2. having a torque converter
3. not usually being able to handle much more power than stock.

wait it might have one.. being incredibly complicated to service :)

I still think a 6spd or even just the 5spd should be offered as an option on the MR. I would seriously be willing to pay up to $500 more to 'downgrade' to the transmission from the GSR. I guess the only way to do it will be to get the GSR and spend many thousands of dollars getting the bits and pieces from the MR.

Another potential problem is premature clutch where in stop and go traffic. Lamborghinis have this problem because their clutch system was designed to start moving quickly. When people would ease away from lights and while in traffic, the clutch was forced to slip causing it to wear within a few thousand miles. Depending on how this dual-clutch setup is designed to start the car moving, people that don't get the car moving quickly could see some early clutch replacements.

Also, regarding the earlier concerns about the transmission upshifting automatically, I doubt that was ever a possibility. Even with an Audi A6's tiptronic transmission you can bounce off the rev limiter.

-Paul

Let's face it, Mitsubishi has not been doing well as a company for quite some time. They can't afford to limit their customer base, even on a car such as the new Evo. I just wish they would give enthusiasts the option to retain a manual transmission on the MR. It just sucks when the trim levels and packages just can't build the car you want. Sadly all this TC-SST stuff would make me seriously consider the STi as a viable alternative, even giving it's ghastly styling.

+1, I think Mitsubishi will actually sell more because of the SST. Just not my preference in transmission.

From my personal observations at a few dealerships in BC, Evo pre-orders are at least double STI pre-orders. However, Mitsu had EVO information and concept vehicles before Subaru had info on the STI. Also, people are taking longer to like the look of the new model STI. I will check both cars in January then make a decision and have my factory order placed for Apil delivery.

I still think a 6spd or even just the 5spd should be offered as an option on the MR.

You are right they should have given people the option for the MR.

You are right they should have given people the option for the MR.

can the options be exchangeble between the models or are they set at each.they should have it will be more in price why not.

can the options be exchangeble between the models or are they set at each.they should have it will be more in price why not.

They are set by the manufacturer at this time. It may change in the future, but you can't order an MR with the 5MT. And in Canada we cannot order a GSR with big spoiler, HID lights and BBS forged wheels. These are all things that we might be able to change through the dealer, or failing that you have to go aftermarket. Transmission changes are not on the table, IMO.

yeah i knowon the tranny you cant.but how bout like the options from the mr onto the gsr.it would be easier to bring a 5mt grs to mr state then going the other way.IMO.

From the Evo magazine review of the Evo X:

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/211024/mitsubishi_evo.html

As ever, the paddle-shift ’box allows you to drive deeper into corners, but once into a busy sequence of bends I can’t seem to find the paddles consistently (they’re fixed to the steering column rather than the back of the wheel) or with the same confidence that I grab a gearlever. It’s a universal gripe with paddle-shifts, not one unique to the Evo, but it remains annoying in the heat of battle.

From the Evo magazine review of the Evo X:

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/211024/mitsubishi_evo.html


OK, so push/pull the gear lever instead and quit making excuses :bggay:

OK, so push/pull the gear lever instead and quit making excuses :bggay:

haha +1

good point.

The good points for paddle shifters are to keep your hands on the wheel, if they are out of position when you need them it defeats the purpose. But I think it is just something you need to get used to, learn where the paddles are in relation to your hand position in the middle of a turn and you will make full use of the SST.

If I understand the SST correctly you can use the paddle shifters and floorshifter together. Like downshift with the paddles and upshift with the floorshifter and vice versa. After reading the GT-R reviews on R&T I am more convinced then ever of my MR order, the GT-R doesn't even offer a manual, just semiauto like the TC-SST.

Probably shouldn't be shifting mid-turn.... Can do bad things!

Anyhow, it's MUCH better to have the paddles mounted to the column than on the wheel, at least they got that much right! I can't wait :D

My biggest worry about the SST as a customer would be no replacement parts for the tranny. Anyone that has had to buy a $3k transfercase on an EVO8/9 knows the feeling.

I would be keeping my car very stock to keep the warranty intact. They will be looking for evidence of ECU flashes with tranny replacements. Performance oriented people will want the GSR.

Mike W

My biggest worry about the SST as a customer would be no replacement parts for the tranny. Anyone that has had to buy a $3k transfercase on an EVO8/9 knows the feeling.

I would be keeping my car very stock to keep the warranty intact. They will be looking for evidence of ECU flashes with tranny replacements. Performance oriented people will want the GSR.

Mike W

good point but wouldnt the tranny be able to withstand power gains or are you talking about replacing internals.

Yes, in theory there is plenty of extra potential built into every car. That is what makes the aftermarket industry go round. But how many people had transmission problems on 8s and 9s? 5th gear grind, other gears and on stock fairly new cars. How many people with 8s and 9s had to get transfer cases warrantied? Search on EVOm and you will see too many.

If I had an EVO with the SST transmission I would pay particular attention to modifications that can be easily reversed back to stock.

Mike W

The new 5MT on the X has been beefed up considerably.
If I was an engineer with half a brain, I would match the 4b11T's max power holding with that of it's transmission. Imo, it's common sense. Whatever the engine can take, the transmission should be able to as well since it's not replaceable.

The new 5MT on the X has been beefed up considerably.
If I was an engineer with half a brain, I would match the 4b11T's max power holding with that of it's transmission. Imo, it's common sense. Whatever the engine can take, the transmission should be able to as well since it's not replaceable.

Price comes to mind when a piece of hardware need to be over engineered.

That's very true, but price from warranty work from people blowing their SST's with stock internals at 4K a pop also should be thought out. They know there will be a heavy tuner base, and probably realized a happy medium.

Also, as a first gen, it might be the best one. I know i'm being very optimistic, but a good first impression will stick. A sorry attempt will have customers turned away for the next decade. I wouldn't dare risk this if I were on Mitsu's board.

That's very true, but price from warranty work from people blowing their SST's with stock internals at 4K a pop also should be thought out. They know there will be a heavy tuner base, and probably realized a happy medium.

Also, as a first gen, it might be the best one. I know i'm being very optimistic, but a good first impression will stick. A sorry attempt will have customers turned away for the next decade. I wouldn't dare risk this if I were on Mitsu's board.

Very true, it wouldn't be much of an evolution if they didn't over engineer the SST knowing that people will want to make more power on the MR.

It just doesn't make sense that a car with the name of 'evolution' that doesn't have tuners in mind. If the 4B11T proves to be tuner unfriendly, that is when I can honestly say "the evolution has left its roots".

From what I gather....The modes are for when you want the car to do the shifting....it is....selectable to go from automatic to manual mode when ever you want.

S-Sport Will take it to redline and will not shift up from what I've heard until it does..it will then also Downshift and blip the throttle for you.

I do know that there is a fear of not being mod friendly. I'm not so much concerned with the transmission being able to handle power (DSGs Ive heard could safely handle 600 whp...I figure the ability of handling power comes from the accuracy of the system)

However what concerns me is how modding the engine changes what the sensor will use to shift accordingly...since the transmissions will be measuring engine torque/ power/ RPM based on how the ECU is set to....changing the power or torque and what RPM they occuring in might screw up the preciseness of the Transmission.

However what concerns me is how modding the engine changes what the sensor will use to shift accordingly...since the transmissions will be measuring engine torque/ power/ RPM based on how the ECU is set to....changing the power or torque and what RPM they occuring in might screw up the preciseness of the Transmission.

Yea no kidding, an increase in power throwing off the normal rpm the gear shifts at would be real bad...especialy if it gets way to out of wack. Then the manual mode might be the only driveable mode.

From the way things are stacking up, it seems the GSR responds well and there are no issues. I'd hope same goes for the SST.

I had the same concerns before I got my current e60 M5 with SMG...after 2 years and 40k miles I will never own an antiquated foot clutch car for a daily driver again...

.... sounds like everyone is convinced that the SST will be weaker than the 5mt, but a tech at my local dealer says it's completely opposite in that the SST has two clutches and this means a 50% reduction in stress due to the distribution amongst the two clutches. He kept listing benefits, on and on and on... even going as far to say that the SST clutches will last twice as long if not longer than the 5mt.

Seemed to make sense to me, penny for your thoughts?

.... sounds like everyone is convinced that the SST will be weaker than the 5mt, but a tech at my local dealer says it's completely opposite in that the SST has two clutches and this means a 50% reduction in stress due to the distribution amongst the two clutches. He kept listing benefits, on and on and on... even going as far to say that the SST clutches will last twice as long if not longer than the 5mt.

Seemed to make sense to me, penny for your thoughts?

.... sounds like everyone is convinced that the SST will be weaker than the 5mt, but a tech at my local dealer says it's completely opposite in that the SST has two clutches and this means a 50% reduction in stress due to the distribution amongst the two clutches. He kept listing benefits, on and on and on... even going as far to say that the SST clutches will last twice as long if not longer than the 5mt.

Seemed to make sense to me, penny for your thoughts?

.... sounds like everyone is convinced that the SST will be weaker than the 5mt, but a tech at my local dealer says it's completely opposite in that the SST has two clutches and this means a 50% reduction in stress due to the distribution amongst the two clutches. He kept listing benefits, on and on and on... even going as far to say that the SST clutches will last twice as long if not longer than the 5mt.

Seemed to make sense to me, penny for your thoughts?
I suspect that "everybody" may turn out to be wrong. My M5 uses a similar SMG and has 500hp...F1 cars use similar systems and have 800+ hp...WRC have similar SMG and have 600+ hp...Audi uses a DCS in some of its cars which 450+ hp ...so I see no reason why the TC-SST will not handle more than the stock 295hp...

I suspect that "everybody" may turn out to be wrong. My M5 uses a similar SMG and has 500hp...F1 cars use similar systems and have 800+ hp...WRC have similar SMG and have 600+ hp...Audi uses a DCS in some of its cars which 450+ hp ...so I see no reason why the TC-SST will not handle more than the stock 295hp...

I don't think the SST is design and built to handle massive power. You shouldn't compare the SST with F1 or WRC since they are a professional racing competitions and they have a lot more money to play with to make their transmissions stronger. You will need to dump a lot of money into the SST in order for it to take the same amount of beating as the tradition manual gear box.

Btw SMG /=/ DSG/DCT/SST

Hi Guys,

I own the SST for 3 weeks now and I'm enjoying it. Anyway The new alu engine block will not be able to handle more then 400bhp. (thats according to HKS singapore) If you want more you will have to get the RS model. That comes with the iron block.

Hi Mod13; Please post a review thread of your SST!! :) what have the 3 weeks been like?

Hi,
I have placed my photos and some reviews in the other thread. Please see
http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2798&page=2.
Was every bit a pleasure so far....

Hi Guys,

I own the SST for 3 weeks now and I'm enjoying it. Anyway The new alu engine block will not be able to handle more then 400bhp. (thats according to HKS singapore) If you want more you will have to get the RS model. That comes with the iron block.

HKS Singapore seems to be wrong AGP has already made above that and counting.

HKS singapore doesn't seem to know that EVO RS doesn't come with iron blocks?

you cant have remote start on manual trannies... im almost positive. correct me if im wrong



Im not sure how, i used to have a manual F-350 with a viper 2 way w/ remote start and turbo timer.. I took it to Ultimate car audio in paso robles, ca to get it installed. I know when i started my truck with the remote start it would take a little longer than my mustang did and when i got in just clutch brake then 1st and were good..