http://www.topgear.com/blogs/planettopgear/083-tokyo-gossip/

Elsewhere, talking to some of the Japanese car hacks who have already driven both the Evo X and WRX STI, they all agreed that, while the Evo is the prettier car, the Sub is faster and much easier to drive. They say the Mitsu feels more complicated and fiddly next to the WRX.

While I'm looking forward to finding out about all the above facts and fictions myself...

Uh oh...

Edit: STi must drive like a dream! All the preview-reviews of the X is great, if STi can best that, propz to Subaru...looks wise, well...yaa lol

All gossip. Im not big fan of the hatchback.

I'm a hatchback fan, but I'm not feeling the STi so much.

eh what eves mitsu fans dont let this get you down. its all about your style and ability that makes it a better car. hmm if the sti is faster thats lame,(must make evo better then at any stakes) but think of it this way remember the the video (posted recently) of the guy trying to correct his oversteer? (with the atc on )instead of going with the flow and letting the evo do its thing maybe they were trying too hard and the car was trying to adjust to what they were doing. cause i could see how you could probably feel a strangness in the tires like maybe a wierd fiddling feeling.
you guys see where im coming from? i have to go to work so i cant get into too much detail.
and who are the hell are guys their probably sti fans anyways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:ohsnap:

If they charge through the roof on the STi I won't care too much, but if the STi is cheaper I will be quiet upset.

eh what eves mitsu fans dont let this get you down its all about your style and ability that makes it a better car hmm if the sti is faster thats lame(must make evo better then at any stakes) but think of it this way remember the the video (posted recently) of the guy trying to correct his oversteer (whith the atc on )instead of going with the flow and leting the evo do its thing maybe they were trying too hard and the car was trying to adjust to what they were doing causei could see how you could probably feel a strangness in the tires like mabye a wierd fiddling feeling
you guys see where im coming from? i have to go to work so i cant get into too much detail
and who are the hell are guys their probably sti fans any ways



^Needs more punctuation!

If the STi does better, it will force mitsu to drop their prices.

^Needs more punctuation!

+1 (my head hurts)

Yeah the STi is easier to drive, it might as well be a corolla at this point. I've driven an Evo and yes.. you do feel as though you are at war with the computer systems, but they are generally helping you. I rode in one with a very experienced good autocrosser and wow.. on the autocross course it is maddening. From the outside watching videos it looks so smooth and composed, but inside it is war. He said he has tried with things turned off but it didn't help his times, just made the car do more sliding. You can go all out with the systems on and it kinda keeps you in check.

If you try to hard to fight the systems, yes it will sully the driving experience.

Fun to drive > Autox times

The Evo is plenty fun to drive, the STi just feels more soft (going from Evo IX and 06 STi) but not enough that it seems horribly detrimental to the performance. I think it's just because the STi is heavier.

You sure about that? What's the official weight of the 08 STi?

You sure about that? What's the official weight of the 08 STi?

I'm sure about it based on the previous models (think I mentioned that).. as I was going off my own driving impressions not just looking at numbers on the new untouchable as of yet cars

edit: 2008 STi is 3263 U.S. pounds -- so Evo X is now the large and in charge car :(

sorry man,
i posted that right before i ran out the door. ill work on it

Before we start comparing old Evo's to old STi's, don't forget we are looking at two cars pretty much re-engineered from the ground up (the STi powertrain excluded). We will likely see many head-to-head reviews from the heavyweight magazines/tv shows/websites, R&T, MT, C&D, TG, SCC, etc. We will also have some personal reviews by people actually wanting to buy one of these cars (but these may be more subject, as bias is more apparent in an individual take on the two cars, especially when it comes to looks and style).

I am new to the scene and am open to seeing which one performs the best, is the most fun to drive, looks good (both satisfy me so far), and offers good value. Let the guantlet begin!

Yeah the STi is easier to drive, it might as well be a corolla at this point. I've driven an Evo and yes.. you do feel as though you are at war with the computer systems, but they are generally helping you. I rode in one with a very experienced good autocrosser and wow.. on the autocross course it is maddening. From the outside watching videos it looks so smooth and composed, but inside it is war. He said he has tried with things turned off but it didn't help his times, just made the car do more sliding. You can go all out with the systems on and it kinda keeps you in check.

If you try to hard to fight the systems, yes it will sully the driving experience.


wait you drove an x or an later evo?

cause the older ones such as the 08 has been proven to be more balls out

cause i thought this thread was about the x cause thats what i was talking about
and shouldnt mitsubishi be called a subi and a subaru a suba or a subu(just a thought)

eh what eves mitsu fans dont let this get you down. its all about your style and ability that makes it a better car. hmm if the sti is faster thats lame,(must make evo better then at any stakes) but think of it this way remember the the video (posted recently) of the guy trying to correct his oversteer? (with the atc on )instead of going with the flow and letting the evo do its thing maybe they were trying too hard and the car was trying to adjust to what they were doing. cause i could see how you could probably feel a strangness in the tires like maybe a wierd fiddling feeling.
you guys see where im coming from? i have to go to work so i cant get into too much detail.
and who are the hell are guys their probably sti fans anyways!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


shadywade... thanks for trying to cheer up the mitsubishi fans. I can personally say that I was quite disappointed at what was reported of the Evo X.

Given that it is (supposedly) lighter than the old Evos due to more aluminum parts that it is said to have and to top it off, it will come with the timing chain rather than the belt (which I thought was a genious idea) but the changes such as the dual clutch and the aluminum block is just more reasons to think twice about this new X.

Don't get me wrong, I love Evos like you can never believe. I think they are phenominal! and I personally cannot wait to buy another Evo.

It is just that there are so many changes that causes concerns. Lets take the aluminum block for example, this is something that hondas have had in their engine... and the main problem with it is that aluminum is simply just that its aluminum. Meaning that it will flex and will leave us vulnerable for a what is called a "blow by." Am I right so far? correct me if I am wrong..

I am also not ecstatic about the new Evo X being slower than the old Evos. Yes, the new X can take the old Evos a run for their money when it comes to cornering.... but Mitsubishi should of also taken in the consideration of making the new one FASTER than the old one. EVOLUTION.. right? that is the point to it... to make it better and stonger than its predecessor.

I was really rooting for the X, but I will admit, I was really disappointed about the news of what it will be. Nonetheless, since I am a big fan of the Evos.. I will still buy one.

...It is just that there are so many changes that causes concerns. Lets take the aluminum block for example, this is something that hondas have had in their engine... and the main problem with it is that aluminum is simply just that its aluminum. Meaning that it will flex and will leave us vulnerable for a what is called a "blow by." Am I right so far? correct me if I am wrong.. I call 'wrong'. Would you think Ferarri (mmmmmm, 5 9 9....) and a bunch of others would use aluminium heads and blocks if there was a prob???

miss evo

whats the blow by? where part of your engine blows by your face?
and thats why the warrenties are great
and by slower do you mean top end?

I am also not ecstatic about the new Evo X being slower than the old Evos. Yes, the new X can take the old Evos a run for their money when it comes to cornering.... but Mitsubishi should of also taken in the consideration of making the new one FASTER than the old one. EVOLUTION.. right? that is the point to it... to make it better and stonger than its predecessor.

If in the end the new evo can take an older evo on a track with all of the extra sophistication then that IS evolution.

That means that next time around they keep what they have now and give it more power and that would be the next step of evolution.

The monkeys didn't just poof into people one day! It was a slow step by step process!

If everything Mitsu promises of the X is true, then I can assure you that it has evolved.

We don't even know if the Evo X is in fact slower than the old ones. One, the official hp and tq numbers aren't out yet and two if you do the math with the current Evo and Evo X the Evo IX is 11.409 lbs./hp and the Evo X (GSR) with the estimated weight of 3344 and hp of 295 is 11.336 lbs./ hp. Granted that isn't all that determines straight line speed but it still is proof we don't really know that is slower.

We don't even know if the Evo X is in fact slower than the old ones. One, the official hp and tq numbers aren't out yet and two if you do the math with the current Evo and Evo X the Evo IX is 11.409 lbs./hp and the Evo X (GSR) with the estimated weight of 3344 and hp of 295 is 11.336 lbs./ hp. Granted that isn't all that determines straight line speed but it still is proof we don't really know that is slower.

Interesting seeing the weight to HP ratio, I never thought the 9 and the 10 would be so close.

I wonder why the Evo X would be slower in the straight?

Please get the facts straight.

That's what they were saying about the PREVIOUS versions of the Evo9 and STi, not the 2008 models.

The 2008 STi isn't even out yet and all the 2008 Evo reports are saying it is improved over the Evo9 in this regard.

The first post of this thread has it's facts straight just fine. It is talking about the Evo X and new STi, not the older models. None of us have driven either of the new models, so all we can go off is the previous gens. I mentioned how even in the previous iterations (Evo IX MR and 2006 STi) the Evo did feel a lot more fiddly, more 'battling with the machine even though the machine is probably right' etc. I never said otherwise, never said I was talking the new models.

Ps., there's no need to be so negative, especially when you're new. This is a friendly place, so hug, don't slap people in the face with your e-penis lol

This is a friendly place, so hug, don't slap people in the face with your e-penis lol

We could all use a hug from the friendly neighborhood e-penis.

We could all use a hug from the friendly neighborhood e-penis.

you go ahead and do that, I'll pass :peace:

Hey! you're the one that suggested it in the first place!

^ haha its true
im still waiting for the definition of blow by......miss evo?

miss evo

whats the blow by? where part of your engine blows by your face?
and thats why the warrenties are great
and by slower do you mean top end?

Blow-by... results in a loss of compression which inhibits performance. Like I have mentioned above, aluminum block flexes, hence it will loose compression. When the expanding gases slip past the rings, it causes for the piston not able to be effectively pushed down resulting less horsepower. This also results in a loss of fuel economy.
When the fuel, air and moisture slip into the crankcase they contaminate and dilute the oil in the crankcase. Your compression chamber are then going to contain unburned fuel, moisture, sulfur dioxide and soot. Once these gasses slip into your crankcase they can dilute into your engine causing great damage.

Oh and thank you shadywade, you weren't so quick to knock down my opinion just because you did not understand what a "blow-by" is. You know, the price of a car is not the indicator of how great it will be. This is the reason why there are cars HALF THE PRICE of a (lets say) porsche that will beat them on the streets.

Bottom line is, there are problems... yeah, to the owners of cars that have aluminum block, it is just something they just dealt with. But I just wish that they can find other alternatives rather than risking engine problems... or for a start, hindering horse power. That's all.

^thanks much abliged

I may be new here, but I'm hardly a n00b

I just call them like I see them ...

We don't even know if the Evo X is in fact slower than the old ones. One, the official hp and tq numbers aren't out yet and two if you do the math with the current Evo and Evo X the Evo IX is 11.409 lbs./hp and the Evo X (GSR) with the estimated weight of 3344 and hp of 295 is 11.336 lbs./ hp. Granted that isn't all that determines straight line speed but it still is proof we don't really know that is slower.

When I ordered my EVO MR yesterday, I was given the dealer information binders to scan through since the sales guy knew less than I. One is the how-to-sell-an-evo sales binder with profiles on expected buyers, how to sell to them, glossary of terms like what TC-SST means etc, and full page explanations of the specific technical aspects of the car, and the other is the one is more customer driven with pics, etc for customers.
In those binders, the hp and tq are given as 291hp and 300lb ft. of tq..

When I ordered my EVO MR yesterday.....
Which color did u get? Sunroof?

Is sunroof an option right away in the US or Canada?

Chris, I ordered black.

As far as I can see, the sunroof is part of the MR Premium in Canada.

And I ordered the MR sans Premium so no sunroof for me.

I don't want a sunroof, so I guess I don't want the MR Premium. What else is in the Premium?

The Premium gets the touchscreen nav, the Rockford Fosgate stereo, 30gig harddrive, and the sunroof. Thats about it, off the top of my head.

Sorry guys, I'm starting to repeat myself in the various threads now. I must be getting old.

damn...i really hate to admit this but the hatchback STI is growing on me.

Especially the white and metallic gray.

damn...i really hate to admit this but the hatchback STI is growing on me.

Especially the white and metallic gray.

hahah same here but i would still not buy it.cause most of the guys i know have them and they think they are the big s**t.most likely say to me yeah we knew you finally realise that its better then the evo if i got one.

hahah same here but i would still not buy it.cause most of the guys i know have them and they think they are the big s**t.most likely say to me yeah we knew you finally realise that its better then the evo if i got one.

Sounds like a solid reason. Welcome to the elusiveness of the Subaru look... everyone always hates the change and then they love it.

Sounds like a solid reason. Welcome to the elusiveness of the Subaru look... everyone always hates the change and then they love it.

I still don't love the 04-05, no matter how many of them I see every day. The 02-03 looks decent from a few angles (the back, the side isn't horrid), and the front can be made to look nice. The 06.. I love the front end, always have.. it just doesn't at all fit on that economy car looking chassis, doesn't fit with the bulging fenders etc, and the taillights are just awful :P

I've seen pics of the Cobb WRX hatch 2008 and they've already made some decent headway toward making the car tolerable :P maybe in a year or two I can buy one and drop thousands on appearance mods to make it look ok.

might agree with you if the subaru sti looked more like this........

subaru cusco 2

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o69/cylim911/Mitsubishi%20Lancer%20EVO/Subaru/cusco2.jpg
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o69/cylim911/Mitsubishi%20Lancer%20EVO/cusco1.jpg
http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o69/cylim911/Mitsubishi%20Lancer%20EVO/Subaru/cusco3.jpg

now this is a subi i can agree on