: Official HP and TQ #s


LowUFO
11-04-2007, 04:06 PM
I posted this in another thread, but many will miss it. So here it is on its own.

I ordered a black MR yesterday.

They let me browse through their binders on the vehicle. One binder is a sales driven book. The other is for customers to look at w pics and such.

There are three models for Canada..

The base GSR (NO available sight, sound, spoiler package.)

The base MR

The MR Premium (The equivalent of the U.S. MR w Technology Package.)

The binder states that the hp is 291 and tq is 300.

Pricing is not confirmed, but expected to be competitive or less than the STi (which I keep hearing might come in at around $42k cdn dollars).
The dealer gave me an estimated range of $45k-$55k cdn. with around $5k separating each trim level. So there is definitely some confusion there..
I'm guessing that Mitsu Canada is waiting to gauge interest in the cars based on pre-orders and they are holding out until they see what Subaru releases the STi for before they firm up a number range.

Hope this helps a bit..

_Chris_
11-04-2007, 05:08 PM
You guys dont get the GSR SSS? Thats a bummer.

Jackygor
11-04-2007, 05:54 PM
Where are you from LowUFO?

45-55k would be a pretty safe estimate from your dealership, but I was hoping it would come in at below 50k for MR with technology package.

I also heard rumors that Subaru is going to lower the price of the 08 STI so I guess Mitsubishi is still waiting for subie to make a move first.

Thanks for the power figures!

MDMitsuX
11-04-2007, 06:41 PM
well hopefully it'll be less than the STi considering the STi is putting out better power numbers...at least in the japanese market...US emissions standards and what not might bring it back down...I don't stalk the subaru boards much anymore since I'm looking into the evo now, so I'm sure somewhere out there is more insight to the numbers for the usdm sti...

soopah
11-04-2007, 07:28 PM
You guys dont get the GSR SSS? Thats a bummer.

I don't think I will buy the base GSR, and I don't want to buy the SST, so maybe this means I won't be able to buy an Evo in Canada.

I called my dealer and spoke to the sales manager on Thursday or Friday (not sure which day exactly, recent events are a bit if a blur, I am currently enjoying the sun in Orlando, and it took us 24 hours to get here because of a mechanical delay and missed connection in Vegas, spent a lovely evening in the airport because the 'rodeo' was in town and nobody downtown had space available, then when we arrived in Orlando yesterday afternoon we got the news that our bags were still in Las Vegas, just got our bags this morning).

Anyway, the sales manager was saying they ordered two GSRs so far, one white and one black. I was thinking, 'WTF I ordered GG and the sales person said I was first on the list, HeyZeus, thanks for nothing.' I said as much to the sales manager and he said I was first for that sale person but not necessarily first. Bullshit.

Moving on, he was hesitant to say anything about options, and when I said he should talk to his regional manager about keeping pricing down, he said the Canadian cars had more standard equipment than US cars, but this sounded like more BS as he proceeded to say the GSR would have halogens, a smaller spoiler, etc. Now we hear no SSS package. Do the Canadian Evos have additional standard equipment compared to US Evos? I'm thinking they should have the obvious, like heated seats, washer jets, and outside mirrors, but what else could account for a potential price difference of $4-9,000 dollars, especially when one Canadian dollar is worth US$1.07.

Yeah, I think I'll wait a little longer, and this is making the STI more of a probability (I plan to buy from the states through a local lease company). I would rather have the manual GSR, but I want the upgraded wheels and spoiler and lights of the MR. OK, let's just say I don't know what I'll go with yet. BLEH!!! I'm not happy! Mitsu Canada should get their shiite together.

_Chris_
11-04-2007, 07:37 PM
^^^ So MR SST is out of the question?

soopah
11-04-2007, 07:49 PM
I'll drive it first before I say no, but right now I think I'd prefer to have a manual STI than an automatic MR. Maybe the car and tranny will change my mind once I try it. I'll give it a chance. It definately looks awesome and it performs amazingly, but I am looking for that elusive fun to drive factor in a somewhat sensible car I can drive daily, has AWD (for my many trips to the BC interior) and take passengers comfortably. If the dealer can upgrade a GSR to my likes (basically make it a GSR+SSS) I might go for that, but dealer upgrades would be much pricier than the package price in the US.

LowUFO
11-04-2007, 08:18 PM
Chris, yep, no GSR w SSS.

Jackygor, I'm in Toronto. I'm hoping the MR comes in around $45k cdn. This would put the GSR at around $40k cdn, and the MR Premium at around $50k cdn. I believe the STi will be the fully loaded version as opposed the the three trim levels being offered Stateside so that might help make Mitsu price the cars as I hope.
I doubt we'll see the GSR at $35cdn, the MR at $40k cdn, and the MR Premium at $45k cdn. That just sounds too good to be true..

What I don't understand is how my dealer has the info binders w everything except pricing and a Vancouver dealer is being so vague..Although prior to speaking with these guys who have been so cool, there were a couple dealers my girl called for me that were very unhelpful...Their loss..

soopah
11-04-2007, 08:22 PM
What I don't understand is how my dealer has the info binders w everything except pricing and a Vancouver dealer is being so vague..Although prior to speaking with these guys who have been so cool, there were a couple dealers my girl called for me that were very unhelpful...Their loss..

Bah, his job is to keep me hooked on the line until I agree I drive away in a car. I will go see the sales guy and ask to see the catalog. Not much I can do now except wait to test drive the MR.

What does the MR Premium have over the MR?

LowUFO
11-04-2007, 08:26 PM
Premium is the RF stereo, touch screen nav, 30gig hard drive, sunroof. So I guess thats the tech package Stateside.

_Chris_
11-04-2007, 08:27 PM
If the dealer can upgrade a GSR to my likes (basically make it a GSR+SSS) I might go for that, but dealer upgrades would be much pricier than the package price in the US.

I hope that works out for ya. Right now, the dealership Im talkin to is being a PITA.( long story )

LowUFO
11-04-2007, 08:33 PM
I doubt anyone wll be able to mix and match options from one trim level to another. I think they want to keep things simple for themselves.

soopah
11-04-2007, 08:43 PM
They'll do it but you'll pay through the nose for it. They can always buy spares like wheels and spoilers, but the lighting system would be more complicated than just dropping in a new set of light clusters. The lights have electronics that go with them. I agree they don't want to mix and match, but if I make it a deal breaker then they will have to decide if they want to sell a car or not.

soopah
11-04-2007, 08:50 PM
Premium is the RF stereo, touch screen nav, 30gig hard drive, sunroof. So I guess thats the tech package Stateside.

Thanks for this info. I suppose I will be more inclined to stick with the MR, no Premium. I'll test drive the GSR and MR (and STI) and go from there. This will be a tough decision to make!!!

Jackygor
11-04-2007, 10:28 PM
Chris, yep, no GSR w SSS.

Jackygor, I'm in Toronto. I'm hoping the MR comes in around $45k cdn. This would put the GSR at around $40k cdn, and the MR Premium at around $50k cdn. I believe the STi will be the fully loaded version as opposed the the three trim levels being offered Stateside so that might help make Mitsu price the cars as I hope.
I doubt we'll see the GSR at $35cdn, the MR at $40k cdn, and the MR Premium at $45k cdn. That just sounds too good to be true..

What I don't understand is how my dealer has the info binders w everything except pricing and a Vancouver dealer is being so vague..Although prior to speaking with these guys who have been so cool, there were a couple dealers my girl called for me that were very unhelpful...Their loss..

I was thinking does it really cost twice as much as a lancer to build an evo x?

I will probably get the MR without prem...but we'll see what kind of goodies the prem package will include.

LowUFO
11-04-2007, 11:50 PM
Pretty sure the Premium is sunroof, touchscreen nav, 30gig hard drive, and Rockford Fosgate stereo. Thats it.

Jackygor
11-05-2007, 12:15 AM
Pretty sure the Premium is sunroof, touchscreen nav, 30gig hard drive, and Rockford Fosgate stereo. Thats it.

5k for that is a bit steep imo...maybe 4k

soopah
11-05-2007, 03:58 AM
5k for that is a bit steep imo...maybe 4k

Yeah, maybe I'd pay $3K.

Jackygor
11-05-2007, 04:30 AM
Yeah, maybe I'd pay $3K.

I would say in between 3-4k, I mean, its a Mitsubishi package, not BMW premium package or soemthing.

GRK EVO X
11-05-2007, 01:29 PM
Thanks for this info. I suppose I will be more inclined to stick with the MR, no Premium. I'll test drive the GSR and MR (and STI) and go from there. This will be a tough decision to make!!!


same here i gotta test drive the STI and GSR i hope the GSR will feel like a race car

soopah
11-05-2007, 01:43 PM
Right now, the dealership Im talkin to is being a PITA.( long story )

Tell us about it!

LowUFO
11-05-2007, 01:44 PM
Adding up all the items together is prolly around $5k, but not as a package. I agree. $3k, maybe $4k tops. Not worth it anyway. Sunroof adds weight. RF stereo not cool enough, and Nav? Well, cool toy, but just not necessary enough for me.

I would only jump to the Premium pkg as long as they come out w canadian pricing fairly soon and its down in the low forties.

_Chris_
11-05-2007, 07:33 PM
Tell us about it!

Ive gone through 3 salesmen at this dealership. The first one I spoke was back in July before I left to deploy. This guy said he would gladly help me and keep me posted on my preorder. So I placed my $500 deposit at time. Then all of the sudden he quit his job without notifying anyone about my preorder. I didnt find out about this til the following month. So then my wife spoke to the manager at this dealership. And this guy said he would take over our preorder.
Then in October, after not hearing from this for weeks. My wife calls the dealer and was told that he had a death in family. Im not sure if it was true but we were told that he was "let go" from work permanently. Come to find out, this guy wasnt even a manager. He was just another salesman. SO now we have the actual manager taking care of my preorder.

LowUFO
11-05-2007, 10:17 PM
Wow. Can't trust these salesmen an inch. You have a receipt for your deposit, right?

silvreclipse
11-06-2007, 12:22 AM
nowadays alot of salespersons play this games and not even take care of costumers at all they are all just after to make a sale.thats why its important for the costumers to be well informed.its all mental games to make us take a sale thats sound good but it may be not.thats why i may just wait a bit if a ever decide to buy one.got a friend on sales dept that ha pulled through all the time for me and other frinds and family that have gone there.

soopah
11-06-2007, 03:49 AM
Adding up all the items together is prolly around $5k, but not as a package. I agree. $3k, maybe $4k tops. Not worth it anyway. Sunroof adds weight. RF stereo not cool enough, and Nav? Well, cool toy, but just not necessary enough for me.

I would only jump to the Premium pkg as long as they come out w canadian pricing fairly soon and its down in the low forties.

+1!!!!!

Maybe I should wait for an MR with 6MT? Will they do that? And when, in 2009??? Hell, maybe the GSR will do it for me anyway...

soopah
11-06-2007, 03:54 AM
nowadays alot of salespersons play this games and not even take care of costumers at all they are all just after to make a sale.thats why its important for the costumers to be well informed.its all mental games to make us take a sale thats sound good but it may be not.thats why i may just wait a bit if a ever decide to buy one.got a friend on sales dept that ha pulled through all the time for me and other frinds and family that have gone there.

I hate the games many salespeople play. Yes, they need to sell cars to feed their kids, but you attract more flies with honey, as the saying goes. Good customer service is not a skill taught to many car sales people, but some dealerships get it and are a thrill to buy from, they are just very few and far between. And it is imperative that you are a knowledgeable buyer and can see through the games and just deal with what you want. If you think they are playing games with you be straight forward and tell them to straighten up or you'll take your business elsewhere.

_Chris_
11-06-2007, 07:45 AM
Wow. Can't trust these salesmen an inch. You have a receipt for your deposit, right?

Of course I do.

LowUFO
11-06-2007, 09:46 AM
Well, at least your preorder can't get lost in the shuffle, then. That would suck large.

EvoJim
11-09-2007, 03:03 AM
Greetings to all.
I too am waiting for the Evo to arrive.
However, are you guys thinking that an Evo MR with tech package will be over $50k US??

MDMitsuX
11-09-2007, 03:24 AM
Greetings to all.
I too am waiting for the Evo to arrive.
However, are you guys thinking that an Evo MR with tech package will be over $50k US??

negative...I like to base my estimate on Mitsubishi Japan's website...a fully loaded GSR with TC-SST is basically an MR with technology package (fully loaded USDM Evo)...the price on Mitsu Japan's website is roughly 36k USD after yen conversion...after freight and import taxes what have you...a USDM MR with technology package should come in right under 40k...again...it's just my estimate and it's based on the prices on Mitsubishi Japan's website...so we won't know until Mitsubishi releases pricing info for US markets...or until one of the dealers on this site gets an invoice price and tells us what it is :)

EvoJim
11-09-2007, 03:30 AM
Well that's cool. Thanks. The STi is supposed to be in the high 30s. I want an Evo, but at $50k -- too steep for me.

MDMitsuX
11-09-2007, 03:36 AM
Well that's cool. Thanks. The STi is supposed to be in the high 30s. I want an Evo, but at $50k -- too steep for me.

yea...but as has been noted on this site elsewhere, it would be stupid for mitsubishi to price themselves above the STi for US markets because the STi is boasting higher power numbers right now...so no matter how ugly the new STi is, people will buy it for the power to price ratio...and it is understood that the STi is supposedly getting a price increase...so it makes sense for the Evo to see one as well...but yea 50k is way too steep...and Mitsubishi knows that...

Jackygor
11-09-2007, 03:44 AM
Greetings to all.
I too am waiting for the Evo to arrive.
However, are you guys thinking that an Evo MR with tech package will be over $50k US??

No, but it will be over 50k CDN!

_Chris_
11-09-2007, 10:25 AM
Greetings to all.
I too am waiting for the Evo to arrive.
However, are you guys thinking that an Evo MR with tech package will be over $50k US??
No way. If thats the case, Id rather buy a bimmer.