: Installing a Turbocharger


RGory477
11-29-2008, 10:39 PM
Just curious, if you were to install a turbocharger on a N/A car, like a 350z or g35, what kind of negative effects come with it? I know gas milage goes down, but like long term effects on the engine. Is it guna wear a lot faster? Like if you have 20k miles on it does it wear like 40k miles? Is there a way to prevent the wear? Just looking for any kind of info on the down side of installing turbochagers.

Jackygor
11-29-2008, 11:20 PM
It really depends on how much PSI you are trying to push on the stock internals. The safest way would be having a fully built internal and running on moderate boost, I would guess.

TCL
11-29-2008, 11:41 PM
I did twice in my life. Once in a civic, and once in a MR2.
is not just puting a turbo into the car, u need to upgrade a lot of things
like cooling module, braking systmem and lag problem.
u need to research more on the particular car that u want to work on.

so which one are u talking about?

USLegalTender
11-30-2008, 12:26 AM
I did twice in my life. Once in a civic, and once in a MR2.
is not just puting a turbo into the car, u need to upgrade a lot of things
like cooling module, braking systmem and lag problem.
u need to research more on the particular car that u want to work on.

so which one are u talking about?
Not to mention all aspects of your fueling abilities, switching over to a MAP that can measure above atmospheric, possibly getting a different MAF, paying for someone to tune the car... The list is huge.

on2it
11-30-2008, 08:30 AM
Im considering turbo charging/super charging the wifes suzuki swift.
If you are going to keep internals stock, you HAVE to keep boost very low.. as in 0.5 bar max.. you can still get good gains. ie from 120 HP to 180HP etc. certainly any turbo charging kit should have fuel considerations.. and if you are going well above factory performance you have to have the upgraded braking performance to suit.

joey
11-30-2008, 10:33 AM
if done the right way your car can become a monster. just dont bolt one up and try to run 25 psi

blkside
11-30-2008, 03:47 PM
Ok there are inherent dangers in doing anything that wasnt originally made that way. With that said there are very few downsides to boosting a car other than the cost, and mpg loss.
Your boost does not have to stay below .5bar either. Your boost level would be determined by the strength of the project vehicle and most importantly by the compression ratio. The ratio can easily be reduced a little in order to raise boost slightly by adding a thicker head gasket.
As far as wear and tear go adding boost to a car wont wear it out any faster than a poor civic with a ricer driving it. WHat does wear it out is the foot of the person driving it because of how fun it has become. Boost it the right way and you will have very few issues.

on2it
11-30-2008, 06:23 PM
Heres a relevant read for you:

http://www.torquecars.com/tuning/adding-turbo.php

RGory477
12-01-2008, 05:33 PM
Thanks for all of the info guys. Primarily I have been looking at turbocharged 350z's. I know a lot say they are running at 8.5 psi, I'm really not sure what at they have put into their car to run 8.5 psi though. Here's a turbonetics kit I was looking at: http://www.turboneticsinc.com/products/index.php?products_id=845&category_id=65

Is the kit above enough to make sure you don't cause damage to the car? When you guys refer to stock internal I'm not exactly sure what parts you mean. Are they covered in kits like these or would I have to purchase this kit along with other things?

Sorry I'm such a noob about all this but I really don't know, google can only find so much, and when someone actually explains it to me it is much easier for me to understand.
So thanks for all the help.

Rguy
12-01-2008, 05:54 PM
When your turbocharge a car that wasnt designed for it you put extreme stress on the pistons, cylinder walls, connecting rods and the crank, among other things.. In stock turbo cars a lot of these pieces are forged and VERY strong. on a naturally aspirated car they are not usually forged and a little weaker because they can be since they wont see that much stress since its naturally aspirated. to be safe, you would want to purchase forged units and install them.

shabarivas
12-01-2008, 06:09 PM
I have a VQ and DO-NOT Turbo it... the most you can get away with would be a supercharger (go to G35driver.com or my350z.com) and read the forced induction threads... very useful.

Look up the vortech kits... many many G/Z's are always being sold w/ one on it...

SpicyMchaggis
12-01-2008, 06:31 PM
I have a VQ and DO-NOT Turbo it... the most you can get away with would be a supercharger (go to G35driver.com or my350z.com) and read the forced induction threads... very useful.

Look up the vortech kits... many many G/Z's are always being sold w/ one on it...

You don't really "get away with anything" when running a supercharger. The risks are exactly the same with either method of forced induction. It all comes down to how much power you're trying to make and on what hardware. It's not something that can be compared like "8psi on a supercharger didn't blow my VQ, but 8psi on a turbo did."

RGory477
12-01-2008, 06:35 PM
I found some info on a 350z forums stating:
Stock Connecting Rods are good for about 400-420whp
Stock Crank and Sleeves are good for about 900+hp
Stock VQ heads and cams are good for about 700+whp

These numbers are based off what other people have done.

So it looks like the connecting rods may be a problem for this car...and there not cheap to upgrade lol

RGory477
12-01-2008, 06:38 PM
I have a VQ and DO-NOT Turbo it... the most you can get away with would be a supercharger (go to G35driver.com or my350z.com) and read the forced induction threads... very useful.

Look up the vortech kits... many many G/Z's are always being sold w/ one on it...
Can you go into to detail on why you think it shouldn't be turbo'd? In the mean time I will keep browsing forums to see what info I can find.

SpicyMchaggis
12-01-2008, 07:36 PM
I found some info on a 350z forums stating:
Stock Connecting Rods are good for about 400-420whp
Stock Crank and Sleeves are good for about 900+hp
Stock VQ heads and cams are good for about 700+whp

These numbers are based off what other people have done.

So it looks like the connecting rods may be a problem for this car...and there not cheap to upgrade lol

400whp for stock connecting rods is actually pretty good.

RGory477
12-01-2008, 08:49 PM
Also, does anyone have any experience reselling a highly modded car? Do you make any of all that money you spent back, or do you forget about making it back and kiss it goodbye?
For example, what I mean is, say you spend 30k on the car by the time you want to sell it, the car alone is worth 23k. But you put 10k in aftermarket parts...would you make a lot of that 10k back or would it mostly be wasted? The reason I ask is because I've seen highly modded vehicles for sale for cheaper than I'd want to sell it...could be a scam...idk, just curious.

gazebostealer
12-02-2008, 01:26 AM
i think im gonna turbo my parents mini van

on2it
12-02-2008, 02:10 AM
In my experience. You will never make back all the money you spent on it. you may recover more if you take the mods off and sell them individually.

does anyone have any experience reselling a highly modded car? Do you make any of all that money you spent back, or do you forget about making it back and kiss it goodbye?

SmokinX
12-02-2008, 03:59 AM
I have more understanding of the VQ35 than I really wish to have, especially since I'm a Mitsu man. I helped install the Greddy TT kit on my friend's '03 Track Z. I helped with every part of it; removing the unneeded items, bolting up the mani's and turbos, routing all the IC piping, even soldering and tuning the E-Manage, all on jack stands in his garage. The thing with the 8 to 8.5 PSI mark is, that's the maximum safe point until you start breaking stock internals. Anything past that and you'll be replacing rods before you really want to. Even that much boost is pushing it on those rods. He took it down to AMS and got a wide-band tune with colder plugs and their return-type fuel system, and is hitting 408 whp. The VQ is an awesome motor, and with the right knowledge and proper tuning, it can become a hell of a beast under boost.

gazebostealer
12-02-2008, 03:07 PM
seriously though 03 v6 dodge caravan, lets make it happen

TCL
12-02-2008, 03:26 PM
Also, does anyone have any experience reselling a highly modded car? Do you make any of all that money you spent back, or do you forget about making it back and kiss it goodbye?
For example, what I mean is, say you spend 30k on the car by the time you want to sell it, the car alone is worth 23k. But you put 10k in aftermarket parts...would you make a lot of that 10k back or would it mostly be wasted? The reason I ask is because I've seen highly modded vehicles for sale for cheaper than I'd want to sell it...could be a scam...idk, just curious.

Yes, u get 100% refund, just mail all the parts to the manufacuture for refund.

Let me know if it works.