http://www.hkskansai.co.jp/html/news/evo10kokuchi/06.jpg



With a 4g63 in the background.

Discuss.

I hope this engine can take a beatin. Looks like my SRT4 engine.
The turbo is gonna be hard to access.

The turbo is gonna be hard to access.

Yeah. But hopefully, we'll never have to.

Out with the old, in with the new.

i still love the look of the old engine.but yeah hope this new one will overshadow the old.

Single coil per cylinder. Nice.

Single coil per cylinder. Nice.

Indeed. Wasted spark = FTL.

One day or another, I will be working on one of those... (I just hope it's mine)

Need a high-res image so that we can see everything!!!

:+1:

I second that, i have to say tho, the Evo X looks too much like a concept car, give me an Evo VII style anyday!!

I second that, i have to say tho, the Evo X looks too much like a concept car, give me an Evo VII style anyday!!

It's the way of the future :)

You can't hold back progress !

One day in the future, someone will say the same thing about the styling of the Evo 10 against that of the new Evo 15......or something like that ;)

I second that, i have to say tho, the Evo X looks too much like a concept car, give me an Evo VII style anyday!!

Ew.

If the X looked like the VII, this forum wouldn't exsist.

Um, this forum would exist m8, just not with the concept styled evop, but the typical racing machine style that we all know and love!

Nah. If it looked just like the previous evos, I wouldn't be interested in buying the car, and would never have started the forum. :)

Hehehe... I guess some people don't know what the word 'Administrator' means :P Or maybe just none too observant?

I agree though, I love what the old evo could do, it just didn't have the visual appeal. Now finally they have a car with the performance I want, a look that I love and at a price that makes it obtainable!

I do know what the word 'Administrator' means, being an Admin myself.

I do not agree that the style suits the ride, Being a car modifier myself, i see no real modding potential with this design. I have spent over £30,000 on modifying my Evo VII, but i wouldn't waste a penny trying to modify this beast, its just too slick for my liking lol

RJ

:+1:+1

Finally, someone who agrees with me!

Finally, someone who agrees with me!

Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 7 GTR V spec 2000

MitsuRal conversion bodykit
cosworth bumpers
light kittings
Bucket seats
Plain alloy dials
g-i-d brake line pedals
light up strips all way round!!

Technics 10cd/mp3 changer
Ps2
satellite navigation
2 sony amps
22 inch sub in boot.

You spend GBP30k on these? The price of light up strips must have gone up considerably since I last looked at them.

Man I can wait to see how the new engine would fair. Although the 4B11 is made out of aluminium, I'm sure it will still have great potential when it comes to horsepower increase.

Amen to that.

I don't think the aluminum will have a negative impact for anyone who's not going for ludacris amounts of power.

Amen to that.

I don't think the aluminum will have a negative impact for anyone who's not going for ludacris amounts of power.

I'd say around 150 HP max increase before we need to do any big upgrade to the new engine.

You spend GBP30k on these? The price of light up strips must have gone up considerably since I last looked at them.

Yeah i know, i get mine from Luxury Lighting for £12.98 a piece

Man I can wait to see how the new engine would fair. Although the 4B11 is made out of aluminium, I'm sure it will still have great potential when it comes to horsepower increase.

Apparently according to some of the press releases its suited to high boost applications. :) MMC would have thought about the previous legendary engine and 'matched' its modding capability.

I'd say around 150 HP max increase before we need to do any big upgrade to the new engine.

I dunno, it depends. We just have to find the weakest link.

That it does, i hope we can get at least a 200 HP gain without needing any major engine work, but hey, just gotta wait till January so we can strip mine down and modify that beast!

^That's what I like to hear.

Of course mate, no good aiming low, aim for the top! I'm gunna make a fierce beast out of the X, Mark my words!

I'm personally going to put some effort into weight reduction as well.

Oh of course, no point having a raging beast who is too heavy for tight manoveurs! I wanna have mine as powerful yet light as possible, so i can cause some real snow drifting havoc!

4B11T?

Hm, I never ride a Mitsubishi car before. But I have a Galant once, but my dad sells it

What performace part will available for them? Will HKS or ApexI supplies them?

4B11T?

Hm, I never ride a Mitsubishi car before. But I have a Galant once, but my dad sells it

What performace part will available for them? Will HKS or ApexI supplies them?

i'm pretty sure that hks is working on something plus alot other aftermarket parts suppliers.

That we are! We here at RJ Customs (http://www.retro31337.co.uk/RJ/) are in the middle of creating a whole street package for the X, but, at this time, i shall not be fully disclosing any details, so stay tuned ;)

I'm personally going to put some effort into weight reduction as well.

Me too, gonna sign up for gym, do more running, less snack. :godance:

Me too, gonna sign up for gym, do more running, less snack. :godance:

LOL, if that's the case, then check out our "health and lifestyle" subforum. :shades:

LOL, if that's the case, then check out our "health and lifestyle" subforum. :shades:
:p.

I hope this engine can take a beatin. Looks like my SRT4 engine.
The turbo is gonna be hard to access.

naw there's definitely more room on the x than the srt .. at least sure does look like it ..

These pics are better http://jdm-insider.com/Blogs/Eric/?p=781

Shops are already adding well over 200hp to the motors with no tune. Jun's x makes 460whp.

Are there any real cons to having an all aluminum engine?

yea, there is a lot of room thanks to the fact that the 4b11t engine is a lot more compressed looking than the Evo IX 4g63. also, the engine bay i think is a couple more inches longer than that of the srt-4

Are there any real cons to having an all aluminum engine?

The 4b11t in the X is not all aluminum it has iron sleeves.

And why does everyone keep talkin about srt4s those cars are pure shit and should not be talked about in a mitsubishi evolution forum. srt4's are not cool there not fast they sound like shit, it can't even hold a candle to the x. So please stop with the front wheel drive american car shit. I don't remember hearing about an srt4 that made 90whp over stock with an air filter an mbc and no tune. Srt4=FTMFL

The 4b11t in the X is not all aluminum it has iron sleeves.

And why does everyone keep talkin about srt4s those cars are pure shit and should not be talked about in a mitsubishi evolution forum. srt4's are not cool there not fast they sound like shit, it can't even hold a candle to the x. So please stop with the front wheel drive american car shit. I don't remember hearing about an srt4 that made 90whp over stock with an air filter an mbc and no tune. Srt4=FTMFL


You may want to read up on the "World Motor". What it is, and more importantly what it comes in. ;-)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22world+motor%22+SRT4+Evolution (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22world+motor%22+SRT4+Evolution)

As for the 4B11 not being "all aluminum", all "Aluminum Block" motors have iron sleeves.

You may want to read up on the "World Motor". What it is, and more importantly what it comes in. ;-)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22world+motor%22+SRT4+Evolution (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22world+motor%22+SRT4+Evolution)

As for the 4B11 not being "all aluminum", all "Aluminum Block" motors have iron sleeves.

Thank you sir, I am not an imbecile. I am familiar with the GEMA motors, but whats your point?

The 4B11T has enough differences from the calishit str4 motor to make them very different. not to mention an X eclipses an srt4 in everything that matters. First id like to point out that they are made in countries thousands of miles away from each other. they are built with different grades of aluminum and steel. Second the displacement is different str4 88x97 2.4L and the X has a square 86mm bore and stroke 2.0L. The srt4 is undersquare by a million miles were as the X is square and a much better all around design. It will rev much higher, modified x's with no tune have been seen to have power still increaseing at the factory 8000 rpm limit. Third the srt4 has a steel crankshaft which is not forged. The 4b11t has a forged crank shaft. The rods are also very different although both are forged the 4B11's are considerably stronger due to much shorter stroke. Fourth both have variable cam timing but the MIVEC system on the 4B11T is a considerably better design than the calishit version with much more free range of adjustability. Fifth the turbo's are different, although both built by mitsubishi, the 4B11T has a titanium turbine wheel with the option of a different turbo with a inconel turbine wheel (Ie. X RS). Sixth the intake manifolds are different in design and the 4B11T has considerably larger plenum volume than the calishit version. I think as well, although I havent found any info, the blocks between the two are slightly different as far as coolant flow. The 4B11T having the better flow of oil and coolant. So please sir dont not talk anymore of this srt nonsense in an X forum. The two motors are two different to be compared for any reason important. GEMA was a DESIGN collaberation not Manufacturing collaberation, the engines were all designed in accordance with each other relativly but then each manufacturer went out and did things the way they deamed necessary for each application. One car is a cheap street racer rice boy nonsense car the other is a high performance homolagated precision motorsports sedan. Like i stated before were are all the caliber owners making huge gains with there motors on relativly minimal bolt ons and NO TUNE.

Thank you sir, I am not an imbecile. I am familiar with the GEMA motors, but whats your point?


My point is that the design of the motor is similar enough to warrant discussion. If my guess is right, you'll be seeing that "weak" crankshaft and undersquare setup used on quite a few people wanting to build 2.4s for their X's in time to come.


The 4B11T has enough differences from the calishit str4 motor to make them very different. not to mention an X eclipses an srt4 in everything that matters. First id like to point out that they are made in countries thousands of miles away from each other. they are built with different grades of aluminum and steel.

DSMs and GVR4s were made in completely different countries as well. As were DSMs/GVR4s and Hyundais, people still use the Hyundai cranks with a degree of success.

Who do you think designed the original 4G63 DOHC head?

Chrysler and Mitsu have been in bed together for too long to remember...

This just sounds like too much fanboy hating to me without warranting the realization that they have too many similarities to ignore.

My point is that the design of the motor is similar enough to warrant discussion. If my guess is right, you'll be seeing that "weak" crankshaft and undersquare setup used on quite a few people wanting to build 2.4s for their X's in time to come.



DSMs and GVR4s were made in completely different countries as well. As were DSMs/GVR4s and Hyundais, people still use the Hyundai cranks with a degree of success.

Who do you think designed the original 4G63 DOHC head?

Chrysler and Mitsu have been in bed together for too long to remember...

This just sounds like too much fanboy hating to me without warranting the realization that they have too many similarities to ignore.

you havent listed any.

who cares about any of this The X is better in everyway, what does it matter the slight similarities the fact of the matter is nothing on the x will work for the calishit and vice versa except maybe a crank or some garbage like that who Fing cares. Its not fanboi anything its facts u sir havent posted any.

Well there not in bed Financially anymore.

you havent listed any.

I guess the obvious eludes you then...


who cares about any of this The X is better in everyway, what does it matter the slight similarities the fact of the matter is nothing on the x will work for the calishit and vice versa except maybe a crank or some garbage like that who Fing cares. Its not fanboi anything its facts u sir havent posted any.

Obviously, the people bringing up the SRT4 that you're bashing care. As do the rest of the people out there who are interested in seeing what parts *ARE* interchangeable, and what can be swapped from car to car for any gains.

*FACT* (I guess I'll have to point them out to you)
The Caliber SRt4 isn't the only World Motor'd car in their lineup and there ARE squarebore, 2.0 World Motor cars in the Chrysler mix.


Well there not in bed Financially anymore.

*FACT*
They still collaborate on projects and share parts. How does their financial situation have any impact of the technical aspect? I'm not talking stock market here.

As far as "Where are the SRT4 (Fanboy denial, but refer to them as "calishit"? Real convincing...) guys who are putting out power, blah-blah", you might want to do some reading up on that. There are several 500whp street Calibers out there having no issues. I'm one of those people who you refereced who are actually out there making 100+whp gains on simple bolt ons (on the X), yet I have no issue taking a look at the Calibers in an engineering standpoint.

Would I take a Caliber over an Evo? I think the obvious answer for myself and most everyone else on the board is a resounding "NO", however, the older SRT4s and the Calibers (already) have shown that they can perform pretty well in the hands of people who know what they're doing.

I suppose some of us want to gain knowledge, while others want to play "cheerleader" and just put down everything else but their own...

JDMpurest (http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/member.php?u=875) - Calm down a little, eh? If you don't want to compare the 4B11T with the world engine, that's on you. Go ahead and ignore the posts that do so.

As for the rest of us, we're trying to learn and figure some things out.

+1 agreed

Does anyone know where to find a bunch of tech specs on both engines? ie. bearing sizing/clearances, deck height ect. Like IPS Motorsports did for the 6G72, I'm sure other shops will be able to clean up oil/coolant passages on both the heads and block to ensure an even better flow than a stock 4b11 on the 4b12. The only thing that was brought up that I see becoming a real issue is how the block was made, and how good of materials were used in the process. Don't want that sucker cracking!