Hello people !

Just registered today because I saw the Exo X and am very interested in purchasing (if price is right). With the Canadian dollar so strong right now I would hope that Mits Canada will give us a price close to our American friends. I have heard 30-50k Canadian for the MR. Anyone know the real scoop?

Time to catch up on some threads.

Hey, welcome to the forums.

Look around and you'll see a lot of posts on canadian pricing.

welcome and enjoy your stay.

i heard 40 - 50k

Hello people !

Just registered today because I saw the Exo X and am very interested in purchasing (if price is right). With the Canadian dollar so strong right now I would hope that Mits Canada will give us a price close to our American friends. I have heard 30-50k Canadian for the MR. Anyone know the real scoop?

Time to catch up on some threads.

We do not have any hard numbers on it yet. My dealer said the GSR could be around $40-45K, and the MR and MR Premium could as much as $5K more for each step up. So, to the extreme an MR Premium could be CDN$55K, but I think they wouldn't sell more than a few at that price, not when Mercedes and BMW can be purchased for less than that. Many car companies are scrambling to offer rebates and lower rates on their bread and butter cars, and are actively blocking the sale and importation of US cars to Canada. Many lawsuits are in the works on both sides of the border against the car companies unfair practices. Whatever happened to free trade?

What I have a problem with is that these cars are made in Japan and sold in Japan in Yen, and when you do the conversion to USD you get something reasonable, like $34-35K for a GSR. Likewise, in Canada you would have the same price or lower. But they are trying to work this model into their entire line-up, and cannot price it based on the Japanese price. They need to charge more or else all other Mitsu's in Canada will become devalued, used car prices will drop, lease residual values will drop, and it will really screw things up for Mitsu and their dealers. But I don't give a Shiite about them, I just want a good deal and not to be screwed over.

You will not be able to import a US EVO no matter what because the US spec cars are designed such that they do not to pass Canada's bumper test. One spec sheet we have seen shows that Canadian EVO X's are 1.9 inches longer than the US EVO X's. That probably indicates they've added extra space up front for absorbing low speed impact energy and keeping damage below $1,000. We do not yet know if they could be modified here to pass the Canadian requirements, but it would not be cheap, and the dealers would probably not want to do it. You may also have to subject your car to the actual test (is this ever really required???) so you would then have a damaged bumper!

I called up a Subaru dealer yesterday and they are still able to sell to Canadians, though for warranty you need to go through SoA and/or US dealers. The 2008 STI is admissable to Canada so far as we know. Pricing and options for the US STI should be availble in a couple weeks according the dealer I spoke to.

We do not have any hard numbers on it yet. My dealer said the GSR could be around $40-45K, and the MR and MR Premium could as much as $5K more for each step up. So, to the extreme an MR Premium could be CDN$55K, but I think they wouldn't sell more than a few at that price, not when Mercedes and BMW can be purchased for less than that. Many car companies are scrambling to offer rebates and lower rates on their bread and butter cars, and are actively blocking the sale and importation of US cars to Canada. Many lawsuits are in the works on both sides of the border against the car companies unfair practices. Whatever happened to free trade?

What I have a problem with is that these cars are made in Japan and sold in Japan in Yen, and when you do the conversion to USD you get something reasonable, like $34-35K for a GSR. Likewise, in Canada you would have the same price or lower. But they are trying to work this model into their entire line-up, and cannot price it based on the Japanese price. They need to charge more or else all other Mitsu's in Canada will become devalued, used car prices will drop, lease residual values will drop, and it will really screw things up for Mitsu and their dealers. But I don't give a Shiite about them, I just want a good deal and not to be screwed over.

You will not be able to import a US EVO no matter what because the US spec cars are designed such that they do not to pass Canada's bumper test. One spec sheet we have seen shows that Canadian EVO X's are 1.9 inches longer than the US EVO X's. That probably indicates they've added extra space up front for absorbing low speed impact energy and keeping damage below $1,000. We do not yet know if they could be modified here to pass the Canadian requirements, but it would not be cheap, and the dealers would probably not want to do it. You may also have to subject your car to the actual test (is this ever really required???) so you would then have a damaged bumper!

I called up a Subaru dealer yesterday and they are still able to sell to Canadians, though for warranty you need to go through SoA and/or US dealers. The 2008 STI is admissable to Canada so far as we know. Pricing and options for the US STI should be availble in a couple weeks according the dealer I spoke to.

Thanks for the very informative post ! Seems like you too are sick of getting shafted when it comes to the price of the same products between the states and Canada. I know I am. So much so I imported two motorcyles last year from the US. The same bikes in Canada were much more expensive. After all was said and done, I saved around $4k. That would be even more today with the exchange rate.

I am eagerly awaiting some pricing, but if it upwards of 40+, then forget it.

Thanks guys.

The first GSR's in Vancouver are supposed to be here in two weeks! Where is our pricing???

4 more days until official pricing will be released.

Winnipeg Free Press on Friday Dec 7 had an article where the writer apparently spoke with a Mitsu Rep, and she said that GSR's were to arrive Feb, and MR's a month after with a base price for a GSR at $33,000. It is a paper, but if that holds true, I would put an MR at $38,000ish and a premium at $43,000 which is pretty reasonable considering the pricing of an STi.....

Lets cross our fingers up here!

^^^^If what you say is true...me and soopah will be happy campers!

But honesty, I doubt it :(

Winnipeg Free Press on Friday Dec 7 had an article where the writer apparently spoke with a Mitsu Rep, and she said that GSR's were to arrive Feb, and MR's a month after with a base price for a GSR at $33,000. It is a paper, but if that holds true, I would put an MR at $38,000ish and a premium at $43,000 which is pretty reasonable considering the pricing of an STi.....

Lets cross our fingers up here!

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/subscriber/autos/story/4089718p-4688069c.html


NEARLY 300 horsepower and a full 300 lb-ft. of torque headline the 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution. Mitsubishi Canada released details recently on the first EVO to come to Canada 16 years after EVO enthusiasts first started drooling from afar.

The fun begins with a turbocharged 2.0-litre, four-cylinder engine rated at 291 horsepower at 6,500 r.p.m. and 300 lb-ft. of torque at 4,400 r.p.m. That power is supplied to all four wheels through either a five-speed manual transmission (EVO GSR) or a six-speed automated manual transmission (EVO MR) with steering-wheel shift paddles.

That transmission uses two clutches to effect gear changes: when one gear is selected, the next is pre-selected on the other clutch. For a gear change, the clutches are "swapped" and the now-inactive clutch cues up another gear. On downshifts, the transmission blips the throttle to match engine revs.

The all-wheel-drive system is also new. Dubbed Super-All Wheel Control (S-AWC), it not only manages a torque split between front and rear axles, the system reads such data as steering wheel angle, throttle opening, wheel speeds and the vehicle's longtitudinal and latitudinal movement to determine the vehicle's path of travel. An Active Yaw Control rear differential also takes input from vehicle sensors to not only split torque differentially, but also to help manage yaw.

Four-wheel disc brakes, 18 by 8.5-inch wheels (shod with Yokohama ADVAN asymmetrical performance tires) and an available Premium Package, including a Rockford-Fosgate 650-watt premium sound system with SIRIUS satellite radio, 10-inch subwoofer and 30-gigabyte hard-disk drive navigation system with 7.5-inch touch screen, Bluetooth handsfree and a power sunroof round out the EVO details.

Look for the EVO GSR in Canadian showrooms in late February or early March with the MR about three to four weeks later. Pricing will be announced at a later date, but spokeswoman Susan Elliott said Mits Canada is targeting a starting price 10 to 15 per cent lower than the competition, which in this case is the $33,000 Subaru WRX.

--Kelly Taylor

Well I was shocked when I read that, but since prices are coming out end of week, why would a rep quote a lowball price, only to have it inflated a few days later? That wouldn't be very powerful marketing.. The other way around I could see, but I think we can expect something VERY close to that. It makes sense too since I know Subaru Canada is on the verge of dropping Canadian prices on cars not already on the rebate list.... I would also venture a guess and say that if we wait a little longer to buy, the rebates will get better and better....

Damn you guys work quick... I guess that means base of $28 - $30000? See I'm in marketing, I know to quote hi, and then surprise when it's lower :D

Note, 10-15% below competition, which is the STI, not the WRX. STI is expected to clock in at $50K Canadian, but this is a fully loaded STI, more comparable to the MR with Premium package. Dialing back from $50K for an STI gives us $45K for an MR Premium, $42K for an MR and $39K for a GSR.

Yes, I would be happy with a $33K GSR. But I would bet my left nut that will not be the price (higher or lower, including freight, pdi, air tax, etc., and I keep my nut, thank you very much:)) If the GSR came in at $33K, less than the WRX, then where would that put a Ralliart sportback version?

Damn you guys work quick... I guess that means base of $28 - $30000? See I'm in marketing, I know to quote hi, and then surprise when it's lower :D

That would put the predicted US price higher than the Canadian price, never happen.

Damn it, just tell us how much the cars will cost! They are arriving in two weeks! COME ON!!!

Note, 10-15% below competition, which is the STI, not the WRX. STI is expected to clock in at $50K Canadian, but this is a fully loaded STI, more comparable to the MR with Premium package. Dialing back from $50K for an STI gives us $45K for an MR Premium, $42K for an MR and $39K for a GSR.

Yes, I would be happy with a $33K GSR. But I would bet my left nut that will not be the price (higher or lower, including freight, pdi, air tax, etc., and I keep my nut, thank you very much:)) If the GSR came in at $33K, less than the WRX, then where would that put a Ralliart sportback version?

Honesty, I wouldn't feel too ripped off paying 45k for a fully loaded MR, but then that is just me.

From CCC:

2008 Subaru Impreza 5dr HB Man WRX

Retail Price (Wholesale Price)
Base $33,895.00 ($30,675.00)
Freight $1,495.00 ($1,495.00)
FEDERAL AIR CONDITIONING EXCISE TAX (-EXTAX) $100.00 ($100.00)
Subaru Dealer Advertising Charge (DAC) $0.00 ($300.00)
Totals including all items above $35,490.00 ($32,570.00)

In BC we have a law that says freight/pdi and air tax must be included in advertised prices, as such, this mean the MSRP for a WRX is $35,490 (and I believe $500 less for the sedan).

There is no way the GSR will come close to this total price (before taxes and other 'your a stupid consumer so I'm gonna bend you over and give it to you' fees).

I was also told by the local Mitsu Manager that they were expecting a $5000 gap from GSR - MR - MR Premium.... I think that with the stereo/Navi you would be getting a terrific value at under $5000 between MR and MR Premium.... But then again, I smell incentive coming.... Maybe it isn't bad that they are taking their time with the pricing when Porsche/Subaru/Audi/GM etc... are all slashing their MSRP's...

Honesty, I wouldn't feel too ripped off paying 45k for a fully loaded MR, but then that is just me.

Judging by you avatar I think you've already had your nuts ripped off!
:jk:

I agree, that would be an OK price. But I feel like we are supporting manufacturers with our higher prices (compared to the US) and I feel ripped off. People in other countries should be feeling the same thing. Only we have the problem next door. Really, everyone in Canada should stop buying new cars and just import used ones from the US. Then we shall see what happens to new car prices. We have only seen a small change in prices so far, and only see big rebates and low rates on cars we do not typically want (and how is this any different from when the dollar was low).

For example, Toyota sells their Highlander in V6 and Hybrid forms. The V6 currently has a $4,000 rebate, the hybrid nothing. It already starts off with a higher MSRP and then no rebate from the manufacturer. I know it is all about supply and demand. However, they are using these rebates to suggest they are bringing prices more in-line with the US, and that is complete BS!!! In the US the Highlander Hybrid Limited is $43,770 (with destination and option package A). In Canada it is $57, 365 (including freight and delivery, no option packages, similar to US option package A).

HOLY $HIT! You see that??? Same f-ing car for $13,595 more! And what do they do about the difference in price? Nothing, f-all. Thanks Toyota, thanks Subaru, thanks Mitsubishi, thanks Honda, thanks GM, thanks Ford, thanks for f-ing NOTHING you POS's!!!

I need some more coffee, where's my coffee...

Subaru only seems like they are slashing prices. MSRP's stay the same. They provide a cash incentive of $8,000 on a Legacy, or a low interest rate (1.9%), not both. They do give a $1,500 rebate stackable with interest, but that is small compared to the premium we are paying. We always get moderate to good interest rates, so this is a come on. Further, the Impreza, WRX, and presumably the STI, have no rebates and only half-hearted rates (5.9% 48 month lease or 60 month finance).

I agree with you Soopah whole heartedly, but I have a feeling once the new laws eliminating the issue with the immobilizers is lifted, you will see people getting STI's and WRX's in from the states again. At this point, I can't see how they wouldn't start slashing prices on them as well. All in all, it's a step in the right direction, and things will eventually get there as the Canadians continue putting pressure on the manufacturers.

Last point is that while I agree that Canadian pricing is largely dispicable, there is something to be said for keeping Canadian money in Canada. If the price of a US car after including duty inspection, and various other charges is within $500- $1000 of the Canadian cost, I would actually support my local dealership and be satisfied knowing I have a Canadian car. At $2000+ it's a gouge, so screw em hahaha

I agree with you Soopah whole heartedly, but I have a feeling once the new laws eliminating the issue with the immobilizers is lifted, you will see people getting STI's and WRX's in from the states again. At this point, I can't see how they wouldn't start slashing prices on them as well. All in all, it's a step in the right direction, and things will eventually get there as the Canadians continue putting pressure on the manufacturers.

Subaru of America recently told their dealers that as of January 3, 2008, they are discouraged from selling to Canadians. They are verbally discouraged and financially discouraged (no typical dealer incentives for sales, do not count toward sales totals, etc., etc.). We are being hosed!!!

http://www.cars101.com/
Canada: December is the last month for Canadians buying in the US to get any rebates, rebates will not be applicable on cross border sales after Jan3rd. The buying and importing process is easy and I have everything set up. Contact me for my price on the new or used US spec Subaru you want. Click for more news and details and my prices on the warranty and import process
Dec 4: Effective January 3, 2008, there will be no rebates for Canadian buyers, or bonuses or other incentives paid to dealers or salespeople on Canadian sales. The official statement

Here is the official statement

"December 3, 2007
Dear Subaru Retailers:
It has come to our attention that a growing number of dealers are conducting an
increasing amount of sales outside of the United States. Although your dealer agreement
does not expressly prohibit such activity, SOA has consistently stressed the importance of
dealers concentrating on selling within their area of responsibility (AOR). This is the
market area that Subaru dealers are measured against, and sales into your AOR represent
the best opportunity to build a loyal owner base to fuel long term sales, service business
and dealer profitability.
SOA’s marketing investment is geared toward building the units in operation here in the
United States to provide that opportunity for loyalty, profitability and long term growth.
Therefore, effective January 3, 2008, any vehicle sales made by U.S. dealers outside of
SOA’s AOR, which includes the continental U.S., are discouraged. This includes exports
or sales to Canada or any other country without the express written consent of SOA.
Further, vehicle sales made by U.S. dealers to individuals or organizations residing
outside of the continental United States will no longer be eligible for any Subaru of
America incentive payment/programs such as vehicle incentives, ascent program payouts,
quarterly/monthly dealer sales volume bonuses, Chairman’s Roundtable awards, etc.
Should any vehicle sales be made outside of the United States, these sales must be
classified as “X” type sales in the Subaru sales reporting system.
Thank you for your cooperation in this matter."

Last point is that while I agree that Canadian pricing is largely dispicable, there is something to be said for keeping Canadian money in Canada. If the price of a US car after including duty inspection, and various other charges is within $500- $1000 of the Canadian cost, I would actually support my local dealership and be satisfied knowing I have a Canadian car. At $2000+ it's a gouge, so screw em hahaha

Your extra money is going to Japan. We already pay our dealers more profit per car sold than they do in the US, so that is going to local coffers, but the difference in invoice price is going to Japan. Sure, maybe some of that is being spent ni Canada, on the salaries of Canadian execs and on Canadian advertising, but much is going elsewhere. So enjoy paying $10K+ more for the same thing. I do not enjoy it, and I will be dragged kicking and screaming to do it.

Well like I said, if it isn't close, screw it, I'll buy used and bring it over. I'm not going through this again after buying a Canadian STi......

RC, which car are you wanting to purchase?

I'm very excited about the MR Premium, it has everything I've always wanted in a car... As for the lamers in the evolutionm forums slamming it because it's .5s slower, I have to laugh.... I'm thinking my bluetooth, HDD Navi, and fastkey system is gonna make me comfortable which will let me catch up from that .5s hahaha. I'm actually going to race this car, and I don't mean on the street!

It sounds like an awesome car, but you'll be buying it in Canada. They made the Canadian Evo structurally different from the US version. You cannot import a US Evo as it is inadmissable to Canada, even used, especially used.

Greetings:

I visited my dealer a few days ago (Platinum Mitsubishi in Calgary) ... I've been on the waiting list for about a year now, and since that time I heard the same mantra - $40K for the base model, $45K in the middle with the MR premium package at $50K. This was even before the Evo's Detroit debut this past January. So when I got the same line once again last week, I challenged the sales rep with respect to the fact that the Cdn dollar has appreciated 25% since I put my down my deposit.

One of the managers came by and with the sales rep they showed me the Lancer Evolution briefing book (the consumer psychographics section was interesting reading as are the key selling points). The section on pricing was TBD - but they stated that model prices will be released by year end (is it possible Canadian pricing info will not be released same time as US pricing??).

Another section had key delivery dates. At least one GSR to arrive to all dealers by first week of Jan, 08. Down the list and right beside the MR there is an asterisk with a footnote at the bottom of the page stating "delivery delayed until Spring 08".

One of the co-owners came by and described his experience driving the car. He then stated that there is no question that Canadian prices will be higher than similarly equipped US models, and it doesn't matter whether the Cdn $ is on par or higher ... there are additional costs associated with doing business in Canada (the list includes special bumpers, distribution costs, bilingual materials costs, network costs, tariffs and processing fees, plus higher taxes all add extra $$ on a per car basis). But he also added that the price for the Evo MR Premium will also be "somewhat" lower than the Subaru's pricing for its top of the line STI.

Let's face it - there are only going to be 500 Evos coming to Canada in the next 6 months ... and who knows when and how many more will follow? I'm only looking for a weekender - and while I'm prepared to suck it up, I'm not ready to "take it up". I don't "need" this car - and like everyone else, I have a drop dead price somewhere in the mid $40s.

Cheers,

Tell your dealer to quiet down. There is a 6.1% duty. We also pay for advertising, so does everyone. Small market, extra costs??? 30+ million is not a small market.

FYI, any STi built after Sept 1, 2007 is not admissable to be imported into Canada. This is accoring to the RIV Canada list.

What a crock. It really makes the 2006-2007 STi much more attractive, unless you like getting plain and simply ripped off.

I agree with you Soopah whole heartedly, but I have a feeling once the new laws eliminating the issue with the immobilizers is lifted, you will see people getting STI's and WRX's in from the states again. At this point, I can't see how they wouldn't start slashing prices on them as well. All in all, it's a step in the right direction, and things will eventually get there as the Canadians continue putting pressure on the manufacturers.

Last point is that while I agree that Canadian pricing is largely dispicable, there is something to be said for keeping Canadian money in Canada. If the price of a US car after including duty inspection, and various other charges is within $500- $1000 of the Canadian cost, I would actually support my local dealership and be satisfied knowing I have a Canadian car. At $2000+ it's a gouge, so screw em hahaha

The difference is more in the order of $10,000-$15,000 for a new car, and the Evo X and any Stis built after sept 1, 2007 are not admissable for import to canada.

Looks like Canadians are gunna get gouged BIG TIME

I still think the U.S. version will pass crash standards in Canada. The is No difference between the Can and US versions as far as safety goes. I'm sure MMSCAN is making it difficult to import them into canada. The car will have it's canadian Debut at the Montreal Auto show (Jan 18-27) and vehicles will be delivered to dealers after that. So don't expect them till mid- Feb I would guess. Like everything else with Mitsu they will be delayed.

The front bumper doesn't meet our safety standards, that's why the Canadian version is longer - extended front bumper to protect the front intercooler. Where are you getting your info on Canadian pricing? My dealer says GSR's are slated for delivery January 4 - 11.

it's not longer,,,your thinking EVO IX. Slated?? Ha-ha... keep slating,,,I bet middle of Feb. I wish they would be here sooner,,,I want mine done for the World of wheels at the end of feb, but I'm starting to seriously doubt it. We've had so many shipping delay's with lancer's it's unbelieveable. Good things come to those who wait. I've got Mitsu accessories already for these just no cars.

FYI, any STi built after Sept 1, 2007 is not admissable to be imported into Canada. This is accoring to the RIV Canada list.

What a crock. It really makes the 2006-2007 STi much more attractive, unless you like getting plain and simply ripped off.

Transport Canada is softening their requirements. Any anti-theft immobilizer will be admissable on the car from the US. This has been posted on this forum elsewhere. Thus the STI can be imported. However, after Jan. 3, 2008, US dealers are 'discouraged' from selling outside their areas, i.e., to Canadians, and any sales will not count towards any benefits for the dealers and will not be eligible for any rebates (not an issue for the STI). You will still be able to buy them, I think. In my area we have Joe Spitz of Carter Subaru in Washington State.

it's not longer,,,your thinking EVO IX. Slated?? Ha-ha... keep slating,,,I bet middle of Feb. I'm getting the pricing from MMSCAN. I wish they would be here sooner,,,I want mine done for the World of wheels at the end of feb, but I'm starting to seriously doubt it. We've had so many shipping delay's with lancer's it's unbelieveable. Good things come to those who wait. I've got Mitsu accessories already for these just no cars.

It is longer, by, I believe, 1.9 inches. Check the US spec sheet and you will see that the Canadian Evo is longer. This is because of our front impact bumper tests and the FMIC. You cannot import an Evo from the US of any year because they either do not pass the test or were not tested.

MMSCAN = Mitsubishi Motor Sales of Canada

Please provide a link to this information, or was this provided verbally by a dealer, or MMSCAN executive?

If it is $43K for a base GSR I think Mitsu really f-d up this one. I'll be buying an STI from the US for $37,800 (including destination and duty to Canada) before I buy a $43K GSR.

I still think the U.S. version will pass crash standards in Canada. The is No difference between the Can and US versions as far as safety goes.

AFAIK, the Canadian requirement has been that in a low speed frontal impact the vehicle must not sustain damage exceeding $1,000. With the FMIC they could not pass this test. The new specs show the Canadian Evo is 1.9 inches longer, so they must have done something to extend and reinforce the front bumper. All Evo's are restricted from importation from the US. This is the first Evo we will be getting in Canada.

If you work for MMSCAN, or have an inside contact, please come clean and work with us rather than against us.

I can agree with that as well, I'm not prepared to throw down $50,000 for an MR Premium either. I mean, I like the package and performance, but when the resale takes a steep dive, I think I'd be much happier with much less invested.

Slated?? Ha-ha... keep slating,,,I bet middle of Feb.

I just asked Vancouver Mitsubishi, they were expecting their first GSR on Dec. 23, but they now say that the Evolution launch is planned for mid-Feb in Canada and they will be receiving their first GSR around January 27th (but could be later). Also, no pricing until mid to late January, just before the cars arrive. Damnit, why must they keep us waiting!!!

Yes your right about the lenth,,,Sorry my bad.
I'm the Service manager for Plat Mitz in Calgary.
I would bet my son,,Evo's are starting over 40K and finishing around 49K. There's alot more to it than just what the canadian dollar is doing on a certain day. I also wish it was the same price as the U.S. but have come to the fact that there will probably be a 10K difference.

it's 1.9 inches longer than an Evo IX.
I'm the Service manager for Plat Mitz in Calgary.
I would bet my son,,Evo's are starting over 40K and finishing around 49K. There's alot more to it than just what the canadian dollar is doing on a certain day. I also wish it was the same price as the U.S. but have come to the fact that there will probably be a 10K difference and Mitsu will make it cost nearly 10K to import one, after your done paying the inflated retail from the U.S. for the first few years. I can guarantee no dealers are going to be giving them away. And if a dealers selling them at msrp,,,We'll buy them for msrp.

Welcome to the forums!!!

Check out this thread and these specs for the Evo X in the US, note where it says in brackets 178.9 inches, or 1.9 inches longer than the US Evo X.
http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1159&highlight=specs
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m227/chrisrt-4/a.jpg

Sure, maybe you could have the bumper modifications done to a US Evo X, but it would be too much trouble and cost, and time and paperwork getting everyone happy at Transport Canada and the manufacturer, who doesn't want anyone doing this anyway to protect their $7,000 extra profit (note, this is split between the manufacturer and the dealer, Canadian dealers make more money per car than their US counterparts).

If I pre-order, factory order, whatever, an Evo from a Canadian dealer I will not be paying more than MSRP. You can buy-in the cars as you like and re-sell at the market price, but I wouldn't pay it. I hope they sell really well and we get more cars and the MSRP's come down eventually. Mitsu Canada is now competing against STI in Canada and the USA.

Transport Canada is softening their requirements. Any anti-theft immobilizer will be admissable on the car from the US. This has been posted on this forum elsewhere. Thus the STI can be imported. However, after Jan. 3, 2008, US dealers are 'discouraged' from selling outside their areas, i.e., to Canadians, and any sales will not count towards any benefits for the dealers and will not be eligible for any rebates (not an issue for the STI). You will still be able to buy them, I think. In my area we have Joe Spitz of Carter Subaru in Washington State.

What is your source? I am not trying to be rude, but the RIV list explicitly states that no STi built after Sept. 1 2007 is admissable.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/SUBARU.htm

I wouldn't want to get to the border with a new car and be turned back.

$50,000 for an STi or an Evo X is a complete rip off as far as I am concerned. Sure they are good cars, but for $50,000 you can buy some pretty sick cars, especially barely used.

What is your source? I am not trying to be rude, but the RIV list explicitly states that no STi built after Sept. 1 2007 is admissable.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/roadsafety/importation/VAFUS/list/SUBARU.htm

I wouldn't want to get to the border with a new car and be turned back.

As it says:

INADMISSABLE
1992 TO 1996 All other Subaru passenger car models are inadmissible
2007 AND 2008 Impreza built AFTER September 1st, 2007
2007 AND 2008 STI built AFTER September 1st, 2007

This is because of the NEW Transport Canada requirement that as of September 1, 2007, the cars had to have an anti-theft immobilizer that satisfied their new requirements, something about a tougher plastic housing that can withstand a certain amount of abuse without malfunctioning, and it has to be TESTED. No manufacturer wants to TEST it because they effectively block the importation by not testing it.

HOWEVER: as per this news story http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071202/car_transport_071202/20071202?hub=Canada
Officials will now allow U.S. vehicles with anti-theft systems that don't meet Canadian code to be registered in this country.
...
The proposed changes will take effect Dec. 16.

So we shall see if this is updated on Dec. 16th or not. My hope is that it will be changed as they say in the news story. BTW, the USDM STI comes standard with an anti-theft immobilizer.

$50,000 for an STi or an Evo X is a complete rip off as far as I am concerned. Sure they are good cars, but for $50,000 you can buy some pretty sick cars, especially barely used.

Agreed, I will not be buying anything coming close to $50,000, not for the Evo or the STI. In fact, I don't even want to pay $40,000 for these cars. I might for the fully loaded STI, but not for a base GSR.

So we shall see if this is updated on Dec. 16th or not. My hope is that it will be changed as they say in the news story. BTW, the USDM STI comes standard with an anti-theft immobilizer.

Update: http://canadagazette.gc.ca/partI/200...regle14-e.html

This proposed amendment modifies section 12, "Importation of a Vehicle Purchased in the United States," of the Motor Vehicle Safety Regulations (MVSR), to clarify the vehicle theft immobilization requirements for vehicles imported into Canada that are sold at the retail level in the United States. This proposed amendment clarifies that vehicles sold at the retail level in the United States, that are equipped at the time of manufacture with an electronic immobilization system, may be imported into Canada and that those vehicles that do not have an electronic immobilization system may be imported if the vehicle can be safely fitted with an aftermarket immobilization system.

If it already has an anti-theft immobilizer import it! If it doesn't, you could have one installed, but the manufacturer must certify that it will be safe with an after-market immobilizer, so they will probably not do it. So only look to import US cars that already come standard (or include as a factory option) an anti-theft immobilizer.

So what can you buy for 40-50K these days in canadian $$ that will compete with the STI and Evo?
Get a Caliber SRT-4,,,their 25K, share the same engine family as the EVO and guys at DCR will probably be getting 500-600hp out of them in a month or so. only FWD though and you'd have to drive a caliber. I'm gladly going to shell out 43K for a GSR, throw 15K at it, run 11's and sell it.

Here i am all depressed about the pricing issues and here in the Home Of The Brave, and then i see u Clearly Canadians and i feel a tad bit better! I gues it could get worse afterall

Lot of stuff since my last visit.

First, Transport Canada - a point of clarity. Transport Canada does not test cars, it does not certify cars, all it does is promulgate regulations. It is up to the car companies to state whether their vehicles meet the standards or not.

If the automaker says the car meets the standards and is wrong then the model can be subject to a mandatory recall notice that forces the manufacturer to correct the problem with their vehicles. A serious breech can also result in fines and other penalties.

Since 1965, Canadian and US automotive regulations have been almost completely aligned (there are a few notable differences, km vs miles, etc). Why? The Canadian automotive industry (US, German and Japanese automotive companies manufacturing in Canada) sells between 70 - 80% of its production into the US market. Misalignment would cause all sorts of issues with respect to the assembly line scheduling.

One of the notable differences is in the front bumper impact requirement. In the US it is 5 miles per hour, which is equal to 8 kilometers per hour. TC rounded up the bumper standard to 10 km/hr and adjusted the damage impact (from $500 US to $1000 Cdn, when the exchange rate was 40% in the US favour, early 1990s). The 2 km/hr difference and the monetary damage difference is what Mitsubishi is using to prevent its Evos from crossing the border.

Chindian is 100% correct, the pre-Evo Xs can easily meet Canadian bumper law requirements (I crashed an Evo VII in Arizona at 10mph -rear-ended an abruptly stopped truck, a few scratches on the bumper but that car was solid, no intercooler leakage). But Mitsubishi declared to Transport Canada that even though the car is sold in the US, it doesn't meet Canada's "more stricter" standards because the intercooler would leak - therefore the Evo VI to IX cannot be sold into Canada. It a crock - but Mitsubishi had good reason for blocking earlier Evos into Canada.

First, Mitsubishi only entered into Canada in 2001, and was building a dealer network. Second, the Canadian market is not that big, and not worth the marketing and infrastructure costs required to build a brand. (Despite what some people think, 30 million Canadians is not the market. Markets do not equal population. Markets equal the number of potential customers in the segment that you sell into - e.g., sport compact cars. For the Evo X Mitsubishi thinks that market in Canada is 500 cars per year... if it were more, believe me, they would try their best to ship and sell more vehicles.)

Mitsubishi needed to build demand for the Evo in Canada, and the best way to do that is to block it from entry. That which is prohibited is often much more desired because it is not allowed. Mitsubishi found that it could use the bumper regulations as a technical trade barrier. Now it needs to continue to block US imports with the X - and it does that by extending the bumper an inch or so. Two different model specs, no cross border trade, and you can demand price the smaller market and drive up your profit margins (same way they do for the rest of the world except USA). Normal industry behavior - in an ethically challenged industry.

Final comment - engine anti-theft systems. There is some divergence between Canadian and US standards - not in terms of the system performance, but on how to describe in legalese and the appropriate regulatory speak the performance characteristics and standards that the immobolization system should meet.

The car makers needed to stop consumers engaging in cross border trade as it represents a big whack on their profit margins, dealer networks, etc. To discourage consumers from cross border shopping they have resorted to all sorts of tactics of questionable legality (this is an ethically challenged industry after all). In November, Transport Canada handed them a silver platter in not using the same wording as the Yanks with respect to ignition security systems.

The wording difference was enough that cars (Lexus, Toyota, Hondas, etc) coming off the same assembly line in Canada using the same security system and shipped to Canada and the US could technically be described as different vehicles because the US model doesn't meet the Canadian standard, and vicea versa. How do they know? Because the car companies reported it as such, and that is the way the regulatory system works. Transport Canada takes the word of the car companies and puts the listed cars on the RIV prohibited list.

I saw a brief news report when I was out East. The show tracked a Lexus car. The US model is much cheaper even though its made in Canada. Lexus initially threated their US dealers with punitive consequences if they sold to Canadians. Then they found a new block with Transport Canada's security standards. The result, Lexus are on the RIV prohibited list. (A Lexus RX for example, made in Canada and exported and sold in the US is $14,000 less than the same car that they sell in Canada at a dealership 10 miles from the plant. If I recall the news report correctly - the Canadian car carried a $950 transport fee ($1,400 total dealer prep charges), while the US car went 2,500 miles for $500).

It didn't take long for this practice of using the security system to provoke a response from the politicians. And they reacted by correcting the problem, sort of. Point is, it shouldn't have happened in the first place, we should be fully harmonized on technical specs between Canada and the US.

But then, as I mentioned, the auto industry is ethically challenged - and we shouldn't expect different from Mitsubishi.

Cheers,

umm dude, can u summarize the book to a few lines plz

Ontologist... Thank you for taking the time to type all this out. Very interesting insight to the automotive industry. It was a really good read. :)

One of the notable differences is in the front bumper impact requirement. In the US it is 5 miles per hour, which is equal to 8 kilometers per hour. TC rounded up the bumper standard to 10 km/hr and adjusted the damage impact (from $500 US to $1000 Cdn, when the exchange rate was 40% in the US favour, early 1990s). The 2 km/hr difference and the monetary damage difference is what Mitsubishi is using to prevent its Evos from crossing the border.

Chindian is 100% correct, the pre-Evo Xs can easily meet Canadian bumper law requirements (I crashed an Evo VII in Arizona at 10mph -rear-ended an abruptly stopped truck, a few scratches on the bumper but that car was solid, no intercooler leakage). But Mitsubishi declared to Transport Canada that even though the car is sold in the US, it doesn't meet Canada's "more stricter" standards because the intercooler would leak - therefore the Evo VI to IX cannot be sold into Canada. It a crock - but Mitsubishi had good reason for blocking earlier Evos into Canada.

Are you saying that no previous Evo was ever tested by Mitsubishi as per Transport Canada's requirements? They may have chosen not to conduct the test, but the location of the intercooler does cause problems in the test. No FMIC and it is much easier to meet the dollar figure requirement. MINI blocked the special edition Cooper S JCW GP because it had a special bumper and they didn't want to test it.

Also, is the bumper test into an immovable barrier or a collapsible barrier? That truck you rearended 'moved' and 'collapsed' when you hit it, so it is not quite the same thing, is it?

These are all details, the point is, you are right that the manufacturers are playing games to keep us paying more and there is little we can do about it except revolt in our own little way, by buying what we can from the US, not buying their new Evo X, etc.

soopah,

You're right about the collapsed hit, and I totally agree with your comments.

But I borrowed the car, and was really paranoid after I bumped the guy. So I took it to a dealer in Phoenix. When I mentioned my concern about the FMIC the service manager told me that they had no experience of that scale of damage at low speeds, nor had he seen any service bulletins on the FMIC.

Lead me to wonder about the whole issue. Ever Googled for anecdotes about damage to the Evo's FMIC? I couldn't find anything concrete. I'm not a gearhead with respect to vehicles, but I did practice international trade law, and I am familiar with regulatory practices. Didn't take much research, and what I read convinced me that Mitsubishi did not want this car sold in Canada.

Only thing is that I am not sure if Mitsubishi put the car on the RIV prohibited list before or after the Evos VIs were sold in Winnipeg.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that the extra 2 kilometers per hour could result in $1,000 worth of damage to the FMIC - particularly in this world of over-engineering, but I've seen enough examples were a small differential change cascades into major problems, so it might be possible.

Don't know about the Cooper, but if they sold it in the US or Britain, they had to "confirm" that the bumper passed a 5mph impact test. (I chose "confirm" because the automaker can rely on OEM part makers or, in some cases, on computer simulations). Obviously, the cost of confirming the car to Canadian standards probably exceeded the net expected profit from the car after accounting for predicted warranty and service costs (such as holding an inventory of spare parts, etc.)

Cheers,

Hi too all, thanks for this very informative forum.
Here's a quote for you all

"Mitsubishi Motors of Canada informed me that the Evo X will be at the Montreal Auto Show in January. And that is when the pricing will be announced for Canada as well."

I will go on the 18th to see that, living in Montreal and post the MSRP if we don't have any news before.

Happy new year. :D

Nice to have a date for knowing. Hopefully Subaru pricing will be out soon since the cars are at (or almost at) dealers across Canada.

We're making the drive to Montreal from Toronto to see the car and check out the other cars in the same category. I was looking forward to the Toronto Int'l Auto Show but this is too good to pass up.

Just announced:

Evo X GSR msrp = $41,498 + freight + PDI + GST + everything else
MR msrp = $47.498 ++
MR premium = $51.498 ++

CDN dollars

Not bad at all.

Still $2k higher than I think it should be compared to the Cdn STi w forged wheels and Nav for only $45k..

Just announced:

Evo X GSR msrp = $41,498 + freight + PDI + GST + everything else
MR msrp = $47.498 ++
MR premium = $51.498 ++

CDN dollars

so MR premium is + tax as well?

around 1k higher than expected, but I can deal with that :godance:

3k for navi...wayyyyyyy over priced, time to look for aftermarket stuff...

3k for navi...wayyyyyyy over priced, time to look for aftermarket stuff...

3K also includes a sunroof, 30GB harddrive, 650W rockford system etc.

Is this an internally announced price at the moment, Chindian?

No,,, it was announced at the montreal auto show this morning.

OUCH!!!! Holy cow...looks like the numbers I got from my dealer are quite a ways off. Man...another 3K over what I expected...not to mention all the rest of the charges. Boooooo :-(

No,,, it was announced at the montreal auto show this morning.

Thx for posting, brother. Now I know what I'm paying for mine when I get the call from my dealer telling me to come and get it.

So wait, the price chindian listed on all the trims includes EVERYTHING...right?

What do you mean by "everything"?

What do you mean by "everything"?

As in freight, PDI and GST?

No way. All that is on top.

No way. All that is on top.

oh shat...:mad:

EVO GSR = 43k with Freight and PDI.

STI = I negotiated 45k with Freight and PDI.

For $2000 more I get Leather, Navi, HID lights and forged light weight BBS wheels.

I think I will have to go with the STI as much as I want the EVO X. Mitsubishi haven't really priced competitively here in Canada.

^^^

No faking kidding...

STI looks REAL good right now...

Except that the STi is ugly...so how good can it really look?

MSRP never includes freight, pdi, gst, doc/aquisition fees etc. Those are MSRP's on GSR, MR, and MR premium

MSRP never includes freight, pdi, gst, doc/aquisition fees etc. Those are MSRP's on GSR, MR, and MR premium

Ok, thanks for the conformation!

EVO GSR = 43k with Freight and PDI.

STI = I negotiated 45k with Freight and PDI.

For $2000 more I get Leather, Navi, BBS wheels.

I think I will have to go with the STI as much as I want the EVO X. Mitsubishi haven't really priced competitively here in Canada.


Please go buy an STI,,,that will free up some more for the people who don't care about the price.

I'm out the market for an EvoX. I'm gonna buy a 335i. For about the same price the BMW is much nicer and faster.

I understand why I paid 48k$ for my 2005 STi, because in 2004 when I bought it, the cdn $ was around ,70U$. But right now, paying 10k$ more is just insane. Of course, I'll be paying 10k$ more for the Bimmer too, but the 335i seems like it's actually worth it. 50k$ for a Mitsu? Hahaha.

As far as I'm concerned, the price is close enough that I don't mind. I think it should have been a little less given the spec of the STi, but like I said. Close enough. I'll pay $41,500 for a car w as near as makes no difference, identical performance to the STi but with a set of rims, tires, lowering springs or coilovers, and tint, will look ten times better...

That's cool... I do care about the price. There will always be the early adoptors like you that don't care about the price. Who knows maybe in a year or two when the hype dies down they will lower the Cdn pricing.

You don't have to worry about not getting you hands on a EVO cause I have a feeling that there will be alot of people dropping out.

Go job Subaru for ripping off (as much anyways) us Canadians.

Good luck on your purchase chindian... EVO is still a very nice car.

Please go buy an STI,,,that will free up some more for the people who don't care about the price.

Except that the STi is ugly...so how good can it really look?

Have you seen it in person yet??? I thought that as well till I went to look at it.

Yeah, I checked it out last weekend at Budd's Subaru in Oakville. They had the WRB and the Midnight Blue. I actually liked the Midnight Blue w the grey wheels, but looking past that, I don't like the lines of the car. And I also don't like understeer. So I figure w the EVo, I can change the wheels and tires and lower it a bit and I'll love the lines, and it already handles the way I like.
The other thing about the Suby is that it still suffers from the interminable dash noise that I and many others have on previous gen WRX or STis. That noise drove me nuts for the last four years. And it was always much worse in the Winter. I tore the dash apart trying to find it and fix it to no avail.
And the new STi and WRX owners are complaining of a cargo area noise that they can't figure out as well.
So even though, I'm sure the Mitsu will have different noises and rattles and such, I'll take my chances..
I also prefer the Recaros to the stock STi seats and I prefer the larger dia. brake rotors on the EVO.

After all is said and done, we all have a list of things we need, and for me, the price isn't the deciding factor, simply one of the biggest factors.

Agreed that it does look a hell of a lot better in person, though. Just not quite good enough for me.

Well - it looks like Canadian pricing is out....
http://lancerevolution.ca/en/features-specs/

GSR $41,498
MR $47,498
MR Premium $51,498

Is it me... or is the GSR @ $41,498 CDN vs GSR @ $32,990 USD a little too far off?? sigh.....


On another note.... WRX STi Cdn prices are up too @ $44,995.


Hmmm...... :confused2:

Go back to pg. six of this thread. You're late to the party, brother..

Perhaps the only saving grace for us Canadians is that we will get a bunch of options as base so it could actually justify high price tag.

I wish this was the case... I believe the sight and sound package that can be added the GSR. Can someone confirm this?

Cause if we get the sound and sight package included in the base trim it at least easier to swallow.


Just looking at the spec sheets... do we get Leather in the GSR as a standard package?

http://lancerevolution.ca/en/equipment/#interior


Interior
GSR MR
................................................................................ ...............................................
S S Rear seats with center armrest; cup holders inside armrest
S S Sports suede interior fabric
S S Leather-trimmed seating surfaces

Well, I'm not overly price sensitive, but a $9K - 10K penalty for being Canadian is a tad bit excessive; works out that MMSCAN wants appoximately 25% or more than our southern friends and neighbours.

Let's see now - butt ugly STi, fully loaded 6MT for $44k (and I can get it in two weeks cause I've got a deposit down on that one as well), or Evo MR Premo - with a problematic SST tranny and uncertain delivery date? Hmmm ....

And with Cdn bumper regs gone in June, its not too long a wait and maybe just import it.

Still, the STi is actually $8,000 less than the previous model - $44K fully loaded (only way they will be sold in Canada), and only $3K more than the similarly equipped US model (but the US model doesn't have heated seats).

Got to hand it to Mitsubishi Canada for being the greedy f..ks that they are - they may have just sold a lot of Subies ... I'll be test driving one next weekend.

Cheers,

Go back to pg. six of this thread. You're late to the party, brother..



Ooopss... Sorry :\

MSRP never includes freight, pdi, gst, doc/aquisition fees etc. Those are MSRP's on GSR, MR, and MR premium

BC used to require that posted prices included freight and pdi, but nationally it was not required, and I think BC has given up on enforcing their different rule. Isn't it neat that it only costs SoA $645 to get the car from Japan to USA but in Canada it is more than double that???

I think the pricing is not bad, actually, but not where it needs to be. Yes, they will sell. HRCboy, I expect you to pull your deposit, as will I, so there are two more Evos for the BC market. If I didn't prefer a hatch, and was choosing between the Evo and STI, I think I would have to go Evo, cause I don't need all the stuff forced onto the STI. But as it is I am going with neither (as long as the dealer can get the car I asked for!).

I wish this was the case... I believe the sight and sound package that can be added the GSR. Can someone confirm this?

Cause if we get the sound and sight package included in the base trim it at least easier to swallow.


Just looking at the spec sheets... do we get Leather in the GSR as a standard package?

http://lancerevolution.ca/en/equipment/#interior


Interior
GSR MR
................................................................................ ...............................................
S S Rear seats with center armrest; cup holders inside armrest
S S Sports suede interior fabric
S S Leather-trimmed seating surfaces

Seems strange, no packages were previously announced for Canadian Evo X GSR. Maybe some of this is taken from the US info and is incorrect here, or maybe if you wait you can get a package on the GSR. Who knows, the dealers certainly don't. Remember the specs released earlier, in the dealers' binders, and they were posted elsewhere here, there was no package for the GSR, and the seats were cloth, etc., etc. Strange...

Seems strange, no packages were previously announced for Canadian Evo X GSR. Maybe some of this is taken from the US info and is incorrect here, or maybe if you wait you can get a package on the GSR. Who knows, the dealers certainly don't. Remember the specs released earlier, in the dealers' binders, and they were posted elsewhere here, there was no package for the GSR, and the seats were cloth, etc., etc. Strange...

True, I remember you can't even get navi with the GSR...

weird...

This is one area that Subaru outshines Mitsu. Subaru, there was no confusion about how the car came spec'd. With Mitsu, I am probably a few weeks away from seeing my car, and I still don't know what options are available for it for sure.

Does anyone know if the Canadian GSR's will have the optional SSS package like they do in the States? I have the brochure, but there are absolutely no options listed.
If not, I wonder how hard it would be to retrofit the factory HID's into the Canadian GSR?

Does anyone know if the Canadian GSR's will have the optional SSS package like they do in the States? I have the brochure, but there are absolutely no options listed.
If not, I wonder how hard it would be to retrofit the factory HID's into the Canadian GSR?

That is stupid, don't tell me in order to get HID you gota get the MR.:mad:

There are no options for the gsr. the only option for the MR is the MR premium. The MR premium comes with everything, HID"S, SSS, Sunroof, etc. I guess in canada, Mitsu went with the all or nothing option. My guess would be because of the limited market, and canadian Evo's have to be different (right now) in the bumpers etc. You can purchase the body kit, e-brake & shifter handles, strut tower braces as accessories for the car at any Mitsu dealer.

That is stupid, don't tell me in order to get HID you gota get the MR.:mad:

I wonder if we could just drive our GSR down to the States and get it retrofitted..... We're really getting the shaft up here in Canadia eh?

I wonder if we could just drive our GSR down to the States and get it retrofitted..... We're really getting the shaft up here in Canadia eh?

We could retrofit them up here in canada,,,cost wise I would guess about 2k to get HID's, with all Mitsu parts. Seems like everything is pricey on this car,,, brake rotors are $276.00ea, caliper's are $1200.00 ea. CDN

No HID option, no big spoiler option, no RF stereo option, no nav option, no FASTkey option. Getting hooped by Mitsu, priceless.

No HID option, no big spoiler option, no RF stereo option, no nav option, no FASTkey option. Getting hooped by Mitsu, priceless.

I second that.

As much as I really like the Evo.... Mitsu just keeps on finding new ways to frustrate ... well, at least me... in the end, as long as the GSR drives like an Evo, I guess that's enough... it's just that I enjoy the high-tech bling....

Maybe wait a year and see if Mitsu decides to offer what they have offered to customers in the States.... or wait for that bumper regulation to be relaxed and import an Evo IX.... at least there will always be the STi :|

I second that.

As much as I really like the Evo.... Mitsu just keeps on finding new ways to frustrate ... well, at least me... in the end, as long as the GSR drives like an Evo, I guess that's enough... it's just that I enjoy the high-tech bling....

Maybe wait a year and see if Mitsu decides to offer what they have offered to customers in the States.... or wait for that bumper regulation to be relaxed and import an Evo IX.... at least there will always be the STi :|

+1, but not to import an Evo IX, get the Evo X GSR with SSS or Evo X MR, you will pay thousands less and get the latest greatest car on the planet!

+1, but not to import an Evo IX, get the Evo X GSR with SSS or Evo X MR, you will pay thousands less and get the latest greatest car on the planet!


Yeah, you're right! Ughh... I really let them get to me eh? Evo X GSR with SSS, Aero Kit, and Navi... done and done! But for the time being... must be patient.... just like when my friend in Buffalo got one an Evo 8 when they just came out... :)

No HID option, no big spoiler option, no RF stereo option, no nav option, no FASTkey option. Getting hooped by Mitsu, priceless.

The GSR I saw today looked like it had the GTS spoiler. Not that bad.

+1, but not to import an Evo IX, get the Evo X GSR with SSS or Evo X MR, you will pay thousands less and get the latest greatest car on the planet!

Sorry to bring this off topic.... but BMW's released pricing for 135i.... starting at $41,700 ... (US pricing is $35,000 and change)... and I'm assuming that on the BMW, we'll actually have Options!!! I love "free"-market competition :)

Sorry to bring this off topic.... but BMW's released pricing for 135i.... starting at $41,700 ... (US pricing is $35,000 and change)... and I'm assuming that on the BMW, we'll actually have Options!!! I love "free"-market competition :)

It is actually priced a lot better than the fricken Evo...

^ Depends on how you look at it.

With the options I'd want on the 135i, it'll be the same price as the EVO MR with technology pack.

IMO they're both priced poorly.

A to B, I'd say the 135i coupe would not be as fast as an Evo, and i'd be surprised if it's much use at all in snow and ice.

Of course, the interior will be leagues ahead. You probably couldn't go wrong with either.

Gary A

^ Depends on how you look at it.

With the options I'd want on the 135i, it'll be the same price as the EVO MR with technology pack.

IMO they're both priced poorly.


Yeah, I just think that in Canada ... we're not really offered any choices as our neighbors are in the US. And for that price... I can, why not get something that more closely matches what I want? 6spd Manual, HIDs, nice audio system, Navi - all of what I can't get on the GSR (sorry, no MR for me, still can't believe I can't choose between Manual and DSG).

I guess I'm just happy to have another choice at that price range.

just for fun, I put together a table - using today's exchange rate:1 CAD = 0.995856 USD, here's what a comparo of pricing:

Evo GSR 41,495 CDN > 32,990 USD by $8370.20 (20%)
BMW 135i 41,700CDN > 35,700 USD by $5815.44 (14%)
WRX STi 44,995 > 39,440 USD by $5390.88 (12%)

^ Ya, the STI is definitely the better buy of the bunch.

A to B, I'd say the 135i coupe would not be as fast as an Evo, and i'd be surprised if it's much use at all in snow and ice.

I disagree with both those statements.

The 335i does 0-60 in ~4.8 and the 135i is projected to beat that buy .2

300 hp, ~200lbs lighter than the EVO and 300 ft/tq @ 1200 rpm = 135i > EVO.

On paper anyway.

As for winter driving, with snow tires, a 50/50 weight distributed RWD car will handle incredibly in the snow. Better than the EVO? No, but it'll be more than fine.

I disagree with both those statements.

The 335i does 0-60 in ~4.8 and the 135i is projected to beat that buy .2

300 hp, ~200lbs lighter than the EVO and 300 ft/tq @ 1200 rpm = 135i > EVO.

On paper anyway.

As for winter driving, with snow tires, a 50/50 weight distributed RWD car will handle incredibly in the snow. Better than the EVO? No, but it'll be more than fine.

The Coupe has been out in the UK since November and the official 0-62 Mph here is 5.3 seconds.

Like I said, both are brilliant cars but they are quite different when you compare them directly. Interior space for instance. I was considering the 135i coupe but I opted for the Evo because I think throughout the year it'll be more fun. I won't have to worry about oversteering in to a bush in the wet ;)

Gary A

135i will definitely be faster in the straight than evo x stock and mod for mod.

Like I said, both are brilliant cars but they are quite different when you compare them directly. Interior space for instance. I was considering the 135i coupe but I opted for the Evo because I think throughout the year it'll be more fun. I won't have to worry about oversteering in to a bush in the wet ;)


Quite different for sure, but with both around 300hp and similar price point, there are a lot of us looking closely at both.

For me, it'll come down to whether I need a sedan or not.

Yeah, I just think that in Canada ... we're not really offered any choices as our neighbors are in the US. And for that price... I can, why not get something that more closely matches what I want? 6spd Manual, HIDs, nice audio system, Navi - all of what I can't get on the GSR (sorry, no MR for me, still can't believe I can't choose between Manual and DSG).

I guess I'm just happy to have another choice at that price range.

just for fun, I put together a table - using today's exchange rate:1 CAD = 0.995856 USD, here's what a comparo of pricing:

Evo GSR 41,495 CDN > 32,990 USD by $8370.20 (20%)
BMW 135i 41,700CDN > 35,700 USD by $5815.44 (14%)
WRX STi 44,995 > 39,440 USD by $5390.88 (12%)

As much as I wanted to get the Evo... I couldn't justify the pricing. I ended up getting my deposit back and Purchased an STI and even got $1600 off MSRP in Canada I know that the Mitsubishi Dealers said they would not be giving any discounts.

Another thing is why can't I get leather, HID, Navi or the BBS wheels as an option in Canada. That is sooo retarded!

Another thing is why can't I get leather, HID, Navi or the BBS wheels as an option in Canada. That is sooo retarded!

Technically you can. You just need to shell out $51,500 for the MR with technology pack.

Too bad an STI with the same amenities is $44,995...

Mitsu really thought things through before pricing :rolleyes:

I disagree..somewhat. I think the STi lacks some things. The nav in the sti is a fairly generic unit. As is the stereo. While the nav in the MR Premium is all encompassing and is a touchscreen jobbie. It controls much more than just nav. It controls climate, security, stereo, etc..The Rockford unit is clearly a far superior stereo to the 100watt job in the Suby. And the seats while being alcantara or suede covered, clearly arent a match for the more performance oriented Recaros in the EVO.

I think the STi is a good deal, but I also think the EVO GSR is a good deal. I'll take an awd car that drives like a rwd car over an awd car that understeers any day. And its pretty obvious that the EVO wins in the appearance category. I'm getting the GSR because as a base vehicle to improve on, I think it will end up being the better all around vehicle by the time I'm done compared to the STi that can be made to be equally competent, but not as good looking.

^ I agree completely.

Granted, my comparison was rather general, however on paper, comparing feature-to-feature there's no denying the MR Premium is overpriced.

That was my point ;)

I got $1500 in discounts for the Evo X. I got $500 for military, $500 loyalty, $500 RCG. With the value of the American dollar plummeting, how difficult is it for you to come to the US to buy the car and then go back to Canada? Would you have to pay VAT/Duty on the car once you got it in country?

I got $1500 in discounts for the Evo X. I got $500 for military, $500 loyalty, $500 RCG. With the value of the American dollar plummeting, how difficult is it for you to come to the US to buy the car and then go back to Canada? Would you have to pay VAT/Duty on the car once you got it in country?

If I could, I would've driven to Buffalo and put down a deposit for a WW GSR with SSS, Aero Kit and Navi and I'd be a REALLY happy camper :) BUT... the Evos from 03-08 are still banned from being imported into Canada (probably the 8kph bumper regulation?) There is talk, however, that this regulation maybe relaxed to the same standard as the US (which is 8kph I think)...

Oh - and Congrats on the Evo X :)

I got $1500 in discounts for the Evo X. I got $500 for military, $500 loyalty, $500 RCG. With the value of the American dollar plummeting, how difficult is it for you to come to the US to buy the car and then go back to Canada? Would you have to pay VAT/Duty on the car once you got it in country?

Problem is that we CAN'T buy in the USA and bring it back up...or that is EXACTLY what I would do. Bumper, immobilizer and some other miscellaneous things do not meet Canadian standards, (which are really stupid anyways). Oh, did I mention none of the Mitsu dealers in Canada will service or warranty a car bought in the US? VERY frustrating...very very VERY frustrating...

verkion

just for fun, I put together a table - using today's exchange rate:1 CAD = 0.995856 USD, here's what a comparo of pricing:

Evo GSR 41,495 CDN > 32,990 USD by $8370.20 (20%)
BMW 135i 41,700CDN > 35,700 USD by $5815.44 (14%)
WRX STi 44,995 > 39,440 USD by $5390.88 (12%)

I think you are forgetting freight and pdi which is also higher in Canada than in the USA, e.g., for Subaru the freight and pdi in Canada is $1495 while in the USA it is $645. I think the Evo X freight and pdi is a little less than $1300.

And adding another subie, Legacy GT sedan manual (no wagon in US to compare):
Legacy GT CDN$33790 > US$28940 by $4710 (14%)
(assuming cash purchase for $8000 rebate in Canada)

I think you are forgetting freight and pdi which is also higher in Canada than in the USA, e.g., for Subaru the freight and pdi in Canada is $1495 while in the USA it is $645. I think the Evo X freight and pdi is a little less than $1300.

And adding another subie, Legacy GT sedan manual (no wagon in US to compare):
Legacy GT CDN$33790 > US$28940 by $4710 (14%)
(assuming cash purchase for $8000 rebate in Canada)


Yup, I left those figures out because the prices will vary a bit more between provinces (PDI, different tax rates, etc) - so to keep it apples to apples, I left those out.


Damn dude! $8000 rebate for Cash Purchase?! Did you get all $8000 for your Legacy? Too bad it's not available on the STi... hahaha, or else it'd be a no-brainer....

Yup, I left those figures out because the prices will vary a bit more between provinces (PDI, different tax rates, etc) - so to keep it apples to apples, I left those out.

Damn dude! $8000 rebate for Cash Purchase?! Did you get all $8000 for your Legacy? Too bad it's not available on the STi... hahaha, or else it'd be a no-brainer....

Freight and pdi should be the same for each province, at least it appears that's what Subaru does. I know MINI used to have slightly different freight for each province, but it was close to the same. Also, each dealer would set their own admin/doc fees. The reason I mention freight and pdi is that they get away with charging more than double what they charge in the US, so it is a factor when comparing prices cross-border. I'm not including taxes either because of the differences in each province, for example, in Alberta they only pay 5% while in BC we pay 12%!!!

I got $8,000 plus ~$2,800 dealer discount, but I allowed them to charge me $300 in fees (they started by asking for over $900 in fees!). I begrudged them the 3 bills as I used to work in the business office (for less than 3 months!) and I made the business office manager work for it!

BTW, here's a few pics of my car. You can just make out the child car seat on the right rear seat!

Our Evo's have arrived in Calgary. One black and one grey. FINALLY. There at Platinum if anybody is interested

One black?! Phantom Black?

Vancouver Mitsu has one Phantom Black, but I'm pretty sure it is pre-sold.

One black?! Phantom Black?

Yes phantom black,,,like there's another black. Yes our's are also pre-sold, one customer is not picking up until march so it will be available for viewing.

Well, Tarmac black Lancers. Easy mistake. But thats wicked news because I'm waiting for mine which is supposed to be the first car outta my dealership.