Shame on this Navy Seal

[waltezee]

Originally Posted by pounder

You guys arent allowed to have stupid arguments without me being involved.

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That's like saying mayo > bacon.

[Techneecs]

I don't think the book should have been published for the simple fact that it does no good to be published. Who the hell really cares about this kind of information. I mean after reading this book, who is honestly going to carry around this kind of information with them in their brain in their daily lives. Half of the people have already forgotten that Osama Bin Laden was killed. It makes for a gruesome read and conversatioin piece and the general public just doesn't really need to know.

It serves no purpose to a regular person with a regular life who thinks more about what they are going to eat for dinner tonight. A feature in Time magazine would have sufficed for most people. I'm about the biggest conspiracist I know. I like to read about a bunch of different events and form my own opinion based on what I can find out about it. Therefore, I am all about the release of information but some things just need not be written about.

I've grown up around military all my life, my uncle aunt and mother were in the service and my aunt just retired. They often gather around and talk about the things they've seen but I can honestly say they are the most silent professionals I have ever seen. Each one of them have seen and experienced enough in Desert Storm alone to warrant a book but they'd never do it. They have, inadvertantly, taught me how to act in the Armed Forces.

And I think with that said, we have reached the core of my qualm with this book. You just don't write a book about this kind of thing. I have no issue with the fact they shot an unarmed man. Because at one time or another that unarmed man was armed and he harmed many innocent people. The POTUS ordered them in and while it was not supposed to be an assassination mission, they made the calls they felt needed to be made at that time. For that, I thank the SEALs involved in that mission. They do what we can not so that we may live the lives we want to. I don't want to take away anything those men did that day because I don't think I could have done it.

What they did was by all means notable, commendable, extraordinary; but it just doesn't need a book about it. A briefing, yes. A magazine interviewing the SEALs, maybe. A ceremony for putting their lives on the line to kill one so thousands may live, yes. A step by step account of the events of that day, no. It changes the overall air of the mission and makes it....idk....It just should not have been written..just my .02

[Eyler_Evo_X]

http://englishresources.wikispaces.c...+O%27Brien.pdf

[dboz]

You risk your life for peanuts and then see a way to cash in to take care of your family or get payback for the crap you went through, I get why he did it. Not agreeing with it, but I see the motivation of doing it.

[ikt]

Originally Posted by 08GsrX

Ikt your a complete moron and have no idea what your talking about, only going off of some bullshit story that was told to you. You are completely ignorant to even believe this bullshit that was fed to you. Let me break down all these facts about your story, obviously what neil said going way over your naive head.

1. An officer navy seal with 12 years in isn't going to be pulling a trigger of any sort and is damn sure not going to be looking over some wall on an army fob. If he's not a complete dirt bag (which being an officer and navy seal I would hope not) he's going to be doing administrative work, as in planning, logistics, overseeing, supervising ect.

2. The military of any sort does not offer vouchers, if they did no single person that killed this person and made his family drag the body (complete BS) off the road is going to have the authority to give someone a voucher (especially not for 15k$).

3. Now if the guy this superhero did kill was on the most wanted list as a terrorist cell leader or something along those lines then it may have been a possibility that they would create a mission to go capture (to interrogate cause thats always preferred) him, the only way they would kill him is if he turned hostile. Now lets say this is all true, they located this guy via drone and planned a mission for capture and it went badly and they killed him. In no fucking way would they give out a voucher, He was a terrorist. Now that you read these possibilities know that none of them are possible because a high priority target wouldn't be sitting outside of a US FOB with his damn family.


4. Calling the Air Force the "Chair force" shows just how naive you are, the air force has changed and is no where near what it used to be. Sure "Most" don't deploy for as long as army and marines but they will deploy a lot and be very operational. My job requires me to travel pretty much everywhere and more than 50% of the time it's with some sort of SF. Now sure you can rag on me because I'm enlisted and have only been in 4 years, but out of those 4 years I have been gone more than 2 and been to "roughly" 45 countries, including probably 40-60 missions to the AOR (whether it was 1 day trips or 3 month trips). Seeing as you are not in the military and all your shit is coming from all your little third party friends (if they exist) you have no first hand idea of what the fuck you are talking about.

/rant off

woah woah woah, wait. I don't know what part of the story you are reading. It goes like this:

My friend was at an FOB. 6 SEALS showed up unexpected and asked to speak with the CO. The SEALS stayed there that night. During that night, for an unknown reason, a SEAL leaned over a wall and shot a guy on a cell phone with his wife. My buddy and his other Army guys retrieved the body and gave something (voucher maybe wrong word) to the widow (?). The SEAL didn't explain anything, nor did they expect him to. My friend was just amazed at the level of impunity they have, and didn't judge him at all. He never knew why they were there, who the guy was, just that they showed up, killed someone (presumably in the normal course of war), and left, and that they were so elite, they didn't have to explain anything to anyone-it's just assumed they knew what they were doing and I'm sure they did.

Unlike you, he does not bash his fellow military.

So, lets be real here. Chair Force. Yup. Fixing jet harnesses in London is important work, but it's not at all the same as dodging bullets in Kabul. Which you will never, ever do. You will probably never fire your gun. And that's okay, you'll live longer and won't come home a fucked up mess. If I had to pick, that's what I would do as well. But let's not go calling people liars, especially when the story you are thinking you know is not at all the story.

You can call ME a liar, a moron, whatever you want. But please don't diminish his service, and he would never diminish yours. Maybe that's why guys like you work for guys like him. I don't know-he doesn't comment.

As for the actual thread topic. Shame on him as an author (maybe), but not for his work in the military.

[08GsrX]

When did I once bash another branch?

[neil2099]

Canada's Maple syrup>Aunt Jemima

Originally Posted by pounder

You guys arent allowed to have stupid arguments without me being involved.

Canada > USA ...
Discuss

[neil2099]

I've completely given up on this guy, i'd be really shocked if he didn't assume i was a pilot as soon as i said i was AF. 40 yr old civilian wished he had done things differently in life.

Bottom line, he's a civilian doesn't know anything about tactical/operational procedures. Doesn't know that SF doesn't operate the way he claims. Hell he doesn't even know what his "good friend" does anymore, sounds like he may not even be friends with this guy.. maybe an acquaintance that told the story around a campfire. I know 4 operators, they are good friends of mine two aren't in the military anymore the other two are ballin in some cool places right now. Maybe its just me but i tend to keep up with my friends who have an increased risk of death.. you know because they are... my friends.

Originally Posted by 08GsrX

When did I once bash another branch?

[neil2099]

yeah, back on thread topic, i thought i read somewhere that the POTUS gave a private intel brief to hollywood directors so they can make a movie about the raid?

[kelvar13]

Lol @ IKT...most everyone knows someone who has served in the military and heard stories of their endeavors...the difference between you and me is I know when to keep my mouth shut and avoid arguing points I have very little knowledge about. Even if your story is being questioned by someone in the air force I guarantee they have more knowledge and expertise than you do. You're killing us with the holier than tho complex.


As for the topic of the thread, I agree that its not the best to write a book about tactics/events that are classified. That being said I also agree if it were extremely dangerous to print said secrets, the publication would have been stopped. I think this story is more the media hyping the fact that it contains 1-2 secret facts which are probably rather trivial in order to create interest and discussion such as the contents of this thread. The only point to a book such as this is for monetary gain. There is a demand for details of the events of that night and the seal and the publisher are capitalizing on it. Honestly this is why the government should have released details/photo's of the assisination in the first place. It would have satisfied the curious and caused the whole shebang to be forgotten that much sooner.