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Old 05-26-2009, 02:08 AM   #21
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any other pics ... ?
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Old 05-26-2009, 08:18 AM   #22
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thanks for sharing BOb!! how did your team go and what were you running?
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:37 PM   #23
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You're welcome guys, glad I could shed some light on this issue.

I dont have many other pics of that car, because we were too busy getting our own cars ready, and the rain just didn't stop.

It had an amazing sounding exhaust note, and was backfiring on every gear change, which caused a huge flame...you guys would have loved that ; )

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Old 05-26-2009, 01:42 PM   #24
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Very cool.

What car was your team running, Bob?
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Old 05-26-2009, 01:54 PM   #25
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We own and manage the Al Faisal Racing Team. Our cars include:

- Porsche GT3 Supercup
- Chevrolet Lumina Supercar
- Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera
- Mini Cup Challenge
- Evolution IX Rallycar

On that day, we were competing in the VLN Endurance Race at the Nurburgring, in our Mini Cup car. We finished the day 3rd in class.

Here are some pics... ; )









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Old 05-26-2009, 02:03 PM   #26
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Sweet. That has to be a good time.
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Old 05-26-2009, 02:13 PM   #27
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I must admit, it has its perks ; ))))

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Old 05-26-2009, 02:25 PM   #28
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If by "much better" you mean that the SST can't handle high horsepower, doesn't launch as hard, is heavier, and has more power loss, then you are absolutely right, it's "better". On a serious note, SST is a nice transmission but to say its "much better" is straight bullshit. Learn your facts.

They should have definitely used a 5 speed GSR to kick some ass out there.
I think you need to check some of your "facts" Sami. The bottom line is that the SST has the edge over the 5-speed on the track. Plus seeing that Getrag is sponsoring them, I wouldn't be surprised if they were using a unit with uprated torque capacity instead of the model that originally came in the Evo X (perhaps the updated model of the tranny that is now being used in the E90 & E92 M3s and will surely make its way into the Evo X soon) with some extra cooling to handle the rigors of a 24 hour race.
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Old 05-26-2009, 02:43 PM   #29
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BOB!!! you're the man. thanks for the info!

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If by "much better" you mean that the SST can't handle high horsepower, doesn't launch as hard, is heavier, and has more power loss, then you are absolutely right, it's "better". On a serious note, SST is a nice transmission but to say its "much better" is straight bullshit. Learn your facts.

They should have definitely used a 5 speed GSR to kick some ass out there.
I'd agree with you that saying "much better" is an opinion and can be argued. However, most of your arguments as to why it isn't "much better" are also debatable.

For instance, let's take the "can't handle high horespower" argument. First, nobody knows what it can and can't handle. Second, If your stating this then you are clearly talking about a modded car. So lets see how much these transmissions can handle after upgraded clutches before we make statements like this. After all, the 5-speed needs an upgraded clutch also to handle any addition of horespower...

The "doesn't launch as hard" is a true factual statement. Can't argue that. But IMO, unless your trying to impress your friends, who cares.

"Is heavier"... What is the weight difference anyway? And is this the weight of the entire SST in comparison to just the 5-speed without the clutch/flywheel assembly? I don't even know if this statement is true. unfortunatelly there is no way to get 2 of the exact same cars, 1 with the SST and the other the 5 speed and see which weighs more. And lastly, would you choose to not upgrade to a more powerfull turbo because it weighs 5-10pounds more? No, I doubt you'd ever even take the weight difference into consideration.

Lastly, "has more power loss" this is also not necessarilly true. Yes there have been some cases where a stock MR and GSR dyno'd on the same dyno result in the MR showing less whp. However there are many factors to take into account. Most obviously, the gear ratio's arn't the same. So a 3rd gear pull in both cars can't be expected to produce the same results.

Anyway, I'd agree that in it's current form I wouldn't call it "much better." I drive a GSR but would still admit that the SST is a better transmission for racing (except drag but who care's about drag). If it proves to be able to handle higher horespower and to never overheat... well then I'd call it "much better."
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^^With all the new dual clutches coming out Manuals are going to waste side. GTR, M3, Porsche etc etc etc, all these have some type of launch control and burn it up in a straight line. The MR clutch will be far superior to the Manual very soon.
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