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Old 05-26-2018, 02:05 PM   #1
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Cant Decide over Stock-frame Gtx3576r or Semi Stock-frame

My future goal for my X are high 500 mid 600hp i chose the 3576 as is seems fun and pretty straight forward to install. I feel like i should already know this but it is always nice to here from other people. I chose to go with ATP GTX3576r, but there are 2 options. Stock frame 3576 3" inlet and 1.75" outlet (I know there is a 2.5 outlet adapter but it still has a bottle neck to it) or should I get the 4" inlet and 2" outlet (requires custom intake and outlet adapter). The both have a hp rating of 650 to 700hp and i am sure an external waistgate will be needed.
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Old 05-26-2018, 02:44 PM   #2
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My future goal for my X are high 500 mid 600hp i chose the 3576 as is seems fun and pretty straight forward to install. I feel like i should already know this but it is always nice to here from other people. I chose to go with ATP GTX3576r, but there are 2 options. Stock frame 3576 3" inlet and 1.75" outlet (I know there is a 2.5 outlet adapter but it still has a bottle neck to it) or should I get the 4" inlet and 2" outlet (requires custom intake and outlet adapter). The both have a hp rating of 650 to 700hp and i am sure an external waistgate will be needed.
The ATP GTx3576 is internal Watergate. Both will do what you want.

I have the bolt on 3576. And just made 500whp on a mustang dyno, on E85.

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The ATP GTx3576 is internal Watergate. Both will do what you want.

I have the bolt on 3576. And just made 500whp on a mustang dyno, on E85.

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Seems low on a built motor, just keeping it safe or what?
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Old 09-04-2018, 11:40 PM   #5
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Seems low on a built motor, just keeping it safe or what?
Approx 10% difference between DJ and Mustang (low side)
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500/.90 = 555 WHP


If we account for a drivetrain loss of 20%


555/.80 = 694 BHP (as measured via DJ)
500/.80 = 625 BHP (as measured via Mustang)


Remember turbos are rated for flow and estimated crank HP. Though those numbers do seem a slight bit low, even for a mustang.
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Approx 10% difference between DJ and Mustang (low side)
so


500/.90 = 555 WHP


If we account for a drivetrain loss of 20%


555/.80 = 694 BHP (as measured via DJ)
500/.80 = 625 BHP (as measured via Mustang)


Remember turbos are rated for flow and estimated crank HP. Though those numbers do seem a slight bit low, even for a mustang.
I want this motor (4th one) to stay together. So it is very conservative. Lol.

But yeah, 550 on a DJ is still not slouch

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I want this motor (4th one) to stay together. So it is very conservative. Lol.

But yeah, 550 on a DJ is still not slouch

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500 WHP on anything tuned properly will be no slouch. Though my car feels much more underwhelming when I'm driving over when I let someone else take the wheel. Depending on the tune any modern car can fall victim to this with how well power can come in, its the "violent" power that makes people feel like the car is faster than it is.
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I chose 550whp to not kill myself. I am by all means a quote on quote bad driver haha. I feel i have to learn my way up in HP. Thank you BTW for the information.
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I chose 550whp to not kill myself. I am by all means a quote on quote bad driver haha. I feel i have to learn my way up in HP. Thank you BTW for the information.
For what its worth, your inlet/outlet adapter will be like 30 bucks max in silicone bend reducer combinations. You can get a 45 degree 2-2.5 inch silicone bend for the outlet, and a 3 (or 3.5 inch, IDK your intake pipe size) to 4 inch 90 degree hose for a decent price.

I will stress to look into having a small piece of metal placed between the manifold and the outlet hose so it doesn't ever melt. Also, some people have had issues with such high suction on a 4 inch silicone bend that it can collapse the elbow. The elbow thickness and strength will be a factor here, but the workaround is to have a metal elbow instead and use silicone couplers to attach those instead.
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For what its worth, your inlet/outlet adapter will be like 30 bucks max in silicone bend reducer combinations. You can get a 45 degree 2-2.5 inch silicone bend for the outlet, and a 3 (or 3.5 inch, IDK your intake pipe size) to 4 inch 90 degree hose for a decent price.

I will stress to look into having a small piece of metal placed between the manifold and the outlet hose so it doesn't ever melt. Also, some people have had issues with such high suction on a 4 inch silicone bend that it can collapse the elbow. The elbow thickness and strength will be a factor here, but the workaround is to have a metal elbow instead and use silicone couplers to attach those instead.
Thanx again for the info. Does anyone recommend the Flapper delete since i already have an ETS DP with Open Dump. Also will its help the turbo breath better with a tubular manifold such as the PROStock or MAP.
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