A full turbo kit from AMS or ETS and your trans and transfer done buy Jacks or Shep = about 6,000 or more. Not leaving much left for engine sorry. You might have to look at stock framed turbo's.
Advice for 600whp Build
So I am deploying soon and estimate my budget to be around $8k. I don't know what my options are. I know an engine build is in store, but I don't know what size to go. I know that I want a ~4.5k boost and a turbo that doesn't fall off, but keeps pulling. I'm assuming that I also need a tranny build.
I don't know if this is possible with my budget, but any suggestions would help.
I don't know if this is possible with my budget, but any suggestions would help.
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Build as in engine only, or build as in able to DD this thing? Cuz that's atleast like $10k, especially since you are stock.
Suspension Upgrade: $3k
Turbo Kit: $3k
Intake, IC, Piping: $1500
Exhaust: $1500
Power: ~450-500whp (say 450 to be on the safe DD side, still plenty nutty bananas)
Above 500whp shit starts getting nuts
Suspension Upgrade: $3k
Turbo Kit: $3k
Intake, IC, Piping: $1500
Exhaust: $1500
Power: ~450-500whp (say 450 to be on the safe DD side, still plenty nutty bananas)
Above 500whp shit starts getting nuts
How does the EF4 fair with the X's?A full turbo kit from AMS or ETS and your trans and transfer done buy Jacks or Shep = about 6,000 or more. Not leaving much left for engine sorry. You might have to look at stock framed turbo's.
Great....w/ full bolt-ons. I don't think we've ever seen one on a stock car (too restrictive). I believe on e85 it broke 500?
What do you want to do with the car? Is this for drag racing/highway pulls, or do you want to hit a road course/re-carve the Grand Canyon?
600whp more than likely requires an engine build and the largest stock frame turbo (MAP ef4 or FP black) on e85. Or you can go with a t3 turbo kit from ETS or AMS for a little more cash. Bottom line, 8k is not enough to reach your goal of 600whp...reliably. You will need to do a clutch, and a some transmission/rear diff upgrading for security. You have a lot of reading to do my friend...
Your best bet is to enjoy the motor you have. Maybe get something like an AMS 750r kit and enjoy that on the stock motor until you have money for an engine build in the future. The most important thing is to get a good tune. Just tell the tuner what you are doing and they will keep the torque down and you can enjoy what you got and build in the future. Just by changing the turbo and nothing else you could step up to a 900 or 950 in the future for not that much, just the cost of the turbo and tune.
Intake with IC Piping 1500.00? Is the piping made of gold?Build as in engine only, or build as in able to DD this thing? Cuz that's atleast like $10k, especially since you are stock.
Suspension Upgrade: $3k
Turbo Kit: $3k
Intake, IC, Piping: $1500
Exhaust: $1500
Power: ~450-500whp (say 450 to be on the safe DD side, still plenty nutty bananas)
Above 500whp shit starts getting nuts
But you've got the right idea. Don't bother with an engine build unless you've got way more than 8k to dump if you're coming from a stock car. I have full bolt ons with an FP Red and I'd still need ~8k to fully build the engine and deal with all the one offs that came up.
i think hes got a comma there, so he means intake, intercooler and ic piping equals 1500 which makes sense.Intake with IC Piping 1500.00? Is the piping made of gold?
But you've got the right idea. Don't bother with an engine build unless you've got way more than 8k to dump if you're coming from a stock car. I have full bolt ons with an FP Red and I'd still need ~8k to fully build the engine and deal with all the one offs that came up.
He has a comma there so he means intake, I/C, and piping. Depending what brands you go with it could add up to 1500, but you can get all three for less.Intake with IC Piping 1500.00? Is the piping made of gold?
But you've got the right idea. Don't bother with an engine build unless you've got way more than 8k to dump if you're coming from a stock car. I have full bolt ons with an FP Red and I'd still need ~8k to fully build the engine and deal with all the one offs that came up.
Edit: damn it you beat me
Yeah it could be a grand. I was more referring pre-engine airflow parts
Point being, not enough for 600whp (unless OP just wants to say "there was this one time, in band camp...")
Point being, not enough for 600whp (unless OP just wants to say "there was this one time, in band camp...")
Oh yeah, clutch/tranny work, shit add on another $3k
I just bought a ams 750r kit, with intercooler, injectors, cams and dodson motorsports clutches with a trans cooler. Total was :$:11,228.00. I'm talking with map now about a sleeved 2.2, so add another 5600 to that. And I'm crossing my fingers I'll get to 480-490 on a mustang dyno.:duh:
My original goal was 500-525 on a mustang dyno, but I don't think a 5858 will get me there on 93 gas.:duh:
Why not start with a fp black or a t3 kit with a conservative tune and grow from there. And in the mean time, you'll have a car that rips. :rock:
My original goal was 500-525 on a mustang dyno, but I don't think a 5858 will get me there on 93 gas.:duh:
Why not start with a fp black or a t3 kit with a conservative tune and grow from there. And in the mean time, you'll have a car that rips. :rock:
HOLY CRAP!! that's a lot of money! Looks like I'll have to talk to a shop and see what we can do.I just bought a ams 750r kit, with intercooler, injectors, cams and dodson motorsports clutches with a trans cooler. Total was :$:11,228.00. I'm talking with map now about a sleeved 2.2, so add another 5600 to that. And I'm crossing my fingers I'll get to 480-490 on a mustang dyno.:duh:
My original goal was 500-525 on a mustang dyno, but I don't think a 5858 will get me there on 93 gas.:duh:
Why not start with a fp black or a t3 kit with a conservative tune and grow from there. And in the mean time, you'll have a car that rips. :rock:
I'm sorry my friend, but from stock to 600whp reliably, 8k is about a third of what is needed.So I am deploying soon and estimate my budget to be around $8k. I don't know what my options are. I know an engine build is in store, but I don't know what size to go. I know that I want a ~4.5k boost and a turbo that doesn't fall off, but keeps pulling. I'm assuming that I also need a tranny build.
I don't know if this is possible with my budget, but any suggestions would help.
You'd need a full engine build with labor, so ~8-10k just for the engine.
Then either a fpblack/ef4 (2k-2500) + e85 fuel system (2k) or a big t3 kit (4-5k)
nevermind all the other items like your transmission (1k @jack's + labor), clutch (1-3k+), FMIC (1k), intake and manifold if going stock frame turbo (1500).
It all adds up quick into extremely high numbers.
If you have the time, read through the build threads section. I have extensive parts lists in mine, hollywood_x has them as well. Murlo26 has alot of bs in his threads as they became a chat area, but good info is in them too. That'll give you an idea of the extreme cost to get to 600whp, where the three of us stopped. My latest thread you can ignore, i'm pushing further power-wise, but my fpblack build is a good example.
3k is on the Low side, 4k minimal. One thing people don't take into account when building there car are little things like gasket kit, etc. Thats where it got me.Build as in engine only, or build as in able to DD this thing? Cuz that's atleast like $10k, especially since you are stock.
Suspension Upgrade: $3k
Turbo Kit: $3k
Intake, IC, Piping: $1500
Exhaust: $1500
Power: ~450-500whp (say 450 to be on the safe DD side, still plenty nutty bananas)
Above 500whp shit starts getting nuts
Lets see Pick up a turbo kit for 4k, still need injectors $500-$1000 depending. Plus a clutch low end is about $850 Test pipe/hfc $100-$300 depending. Catback Could get one made for $300. Plus throw in a FMIC. Plus fluids for the car figure $100. Tune $300-$500. Your already hovering around 6.5k-8k Depending on the parts you go with. I'm sure i'm missing crap that you'll need. Next question would be, labor? Or are you a DIY kind of guy.
I've been in your shoes, Don't blow all your deployment money on the. Use some of it, hit around 400-450 safely. Save for a motor, go from there. 400-450 will be more than enough to put a smile on your face for a little bit.
Just to add on to what I mean by being in your shoes. I had the same plan on my last deployment. except i wanted 500-550hp. I made it to a built 2.2, built head "which came out around 8k" Before my wife started threating to leave me because of the car lol. On top of that I removed/ tore down / put back together / reinstalled it myself. That in labor alone will prob run you in the thousands of $.
Yeah mane, it ain't cheap. I fully expect to have 18-19k in this build and thats with me doing 90% of the labor.HOLY CRAP!! that's a lot of money! Looks like I'll have to talk to a shop and see what we can do.
But I want a wicked handling four door sedan, that gets respectable fuel mileage and my wife can drive it and make the guy driving the ctsv raise an eyebrow.:rock:
I was at 506whp with a stock block and an upgraded turbo (see signature link). Now, with a fully built motor I have plans on making 600whp (just cranked over motor on the weekend). I found my way onto this thread doing research on fuel rails, turbo blankets, meth kits vs e85, ect since I do not have these mods. I am looking for some guidance on where I should spend my money for more hp gains
List of engine current mods:
Rebuilt jacks transmission
AMS 750R turbo kit (5857)
turbo tuff I beam rods
ams spec pistons (stock spec)
upgraded springs (not retainers :/
ams "TMP" kelford cams
head and main studs
complete engine gasket set
honed block (no bore)
retained stock head with no machining
Injector dynamics 1000cc
ClutchMasters FX400 clutch kit
Walbro 255 Lph fuel pump
AMS intake fan shield
Redline transmission fluid cocktail
Cobb programmer
Ultimate Racing Exhaust
3” Dual Exit Cat Back
3” Test Pipe
3” Long Down Pipe (02 Housing Down Pipe
AMS Intake
AMS Front Mount Intercooler
Ultimate Racing Lower Intercooler Pipe
Ultimate Racing Upper Intercooler Pipe
Yellow Top Optima Battery
Interior
Scosche dash kit
Infinity 6 ½ Component Speakers (Front and Back)
Kicker compVT subwoofer brand new
JL 250 Bass Amp
Eclipse 800 High Amp
AEM Tru Boost Controller - Boost Gauge
AEM oil pressure gauge
AEM air/fuel ratio gauge
Agency power carbon fiber triple dash gauge pod
Exterior
18” x 9.5” Rota Grid Rims
265/35/18 Nitto 555 Tires
Hawk blue front & back brake pads recently installed
Front & back drilled slot rotors
Ralliart carbon fiber front lip
Eibach Pro Kit Lower Springs
Custom Spoiler
Custom LED Halo Headlight Lights
10,000K Hid Headlights
10,000K Fog Lights
LED Blinkers & LED High Beams
Smoked/Blacked Out Taillights
Smoked Side Markers Lamps
Painted jet black roof
List of engine current mods:
Rebuilt jacks transmission
AMS 750R turbo kit (5857)
turbo tuff I beam rods
ams spec pistons (stock spec)
upgraded springs (not retainers :/
ams "TMP" kelford cams
head and main studs
complete engine gasket set
honed block (no bore)
retained stock head with no machining
Injector dynamics 1000cc
ClutchMasters FX400 clutch kit
Walbro 255 Lph fuel pump
AMS intake fan shield
Redline transmission fluid cocktail
Cobb programmer
Ultimate Racing Exhaust
3” Dual Exit Cat Back
3” Test Pipe
3” Long Down Pipe (02 Housing Down Pipe
AMS Intake
AMS Front Mount Intercooler
Ultimate Racing Lower Intercooler Pipe
Ultimate Racing Upper Intercooler Pipe
Yellow Top Optima Battery
Interior
Scosche dash kit
Infinity 6 ½ Component Speakers (Front and Back)
Kicker compVT subwoofer brand new
JL 250 Bass Amp
Eclipse 800 High Amp
AEM Tru Boost Controller - Boost Gauge
AEM oil pressure gauge
AEM air/fuel ratio gauge
Agency power carbon fiber triple dash gauge pod
Exterior
18” x 9.5” Rota Grid Rims
265/35/18 Nitto 555 Tires
Hawk blue front & back brake pads recently installed
Front & back drilled slot rotors
Ralliart carbon fiber front lip
Eibach Pro Kit Lower Springs
Custom Spoiler
Custom LED Halo Headlight Lights
10,000K Hid Headlights
10,000K Fog Lights
LED Blinkers & LED High Beams
Smoked/Blacked Out Taillights
Smoked Side Markers Lamps
Painted jet black roof
If u already have bolt ons buy a t3 hot side kit map makes one a 6262 and fuel system clutch flywheel to hold the tq and rebuild trans and center diff...
Plus note my t3 kit and turbo was way less then 3k
Plus note my t3 kit and turbo was way less then 3k
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