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Hi guys

Well its about some time that i investigate the secret behind the SST Transmission fluid , since in USA and the OEM called Dia-queen SSTF-1
but , in some countries the same fluid called Castrol BOT 341 and Castrol Transmax Dual .

You want proof ? hear is official Castrol fluid recommendation
from russia ( page 47) :

http://www.castrol.com/liveassets/b.../STAGING/local_assets/downloads/c/Catalog.pdf

My commonsense told me , that, No Way ! , that Castrol make a special
fluid only for mitsubishi transmission .

I found that the SST transmission / FORD DCT Power shift , developed by GETRAG company in Germany :

http://www.getrag.com/en/216

The lab that make this formula oil called British Petroleum (BP):

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_int...G/local_assets/pdf/bpf23_34-38_dualclutch.pdf

The oil company that make this fluid to Castrol & several car manufacturer
Called RAVENOL from Germany :

http://www.ravenol.de/products?l=de&part=426

As you can all see the part number for the Dia-Queen SSTF-1
Is the same for FORD , VOLVO , VW , Chrysler , and the
official name of the fluid that supplied to all the manufacturer above
called RAVENOL - DCT/DSG :


http://www.ravenol-shop.de/epages/6...1107442/Products/212106/SubProducts/212106-5L

As you all can see in the link above , you could buy this fluid
as FORD Catalog Number : 1490761 or VOLVO Catalog Number : 1161838
and also at VW ece ....And its the identical to the Dia-Queen SSTF-1 and manufactured in the same factory to all manufactures

Today i went to VOLVO dealership to check it & compare with some Dia-Queen SSTF-1 that i have , and after talking with the head mechanic , he told me that i right in 100% and this fluid came in several names ......

So now you can buy this fluid from FORD or VOLVO by catalog number (supplied in the link above - down page ) and compare the price.

i did all this research , since the Dia-Queen cost in israel 110$ for 1 L ,
and the same fluid cost in VOLVO or FORD 28 $ for 1 L !

Amir
 

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VERY interesting find. Thanks for the info!
 

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I just changed the oil last week, took a sample of the new stuff and a sample of the old stuff and was about to send it out to get analyzed. My thoughts were that someone else has to make something with the same composition.

I think mine is driven fairly easy and when I changed it, I noticed it definitly needed changing before 40,000 kms. That was my idea of sending in the old stuff, to see how much it broke down and was contaminated for shits and giggles.
 

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Wow, this is a great find! I wonder if I have some leftover DiaQueen and some of the ford/volvo oil if I can get the two analyzed/compared? What sort of equipment would that require? I have a friend with a PhD in Chemistry and is into cars, might give him a call to see whats involved.
 

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Wow, this is a great find! I wonder if I have some leftover DiaQueen and some of the ford/volvo oil if I can get the two analyzed/compared? What sort of equipment would that require? I have a friend with a PhD in Chemistry and is into cars, might give him a call to see whats involved.
I have a friend that just graduated as a chemical engineer. I'll ask him.
 

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This is an awesome find. If it turns out the fluids are indeed all the same ill never buy SSTF again. Just angry that ive been paying so much all this time.... FUCK YOU MITSUBISHI!
 

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Wow, this is a great find! I wonder if I have some leftover DiaQueen and some of the ford/volvo oil if I can get the two analyzed/compared? What sort of equipment would that require? I have a friend with a PhD in Chemistry and is into cars, might give him a call to see whats involved.
Its written , black on white that the RAVENOL DCT/DSG is filling oil to :

RAVENOL DCT/DSG Getriebe Fluid ist praxisbewährt und erprobt in Aggregaten mit Füllvorschrift:
VW G 052 182 A2
FORD 1490763
FORD 1490761
FORD WSS-M2C936-A
Chrysler 68044345EA
VOLVO 1161838
VOLVO 1161839
MITSUBISHI MZ320065
MITSUBISHI Dia-Queen SSTF-I

So this mean behind any doubt , that all the catalog number above ,
is the same oil , period !

by the way , on the Castrol BOT 341 bottle written : Mitsubishi MZ320065 - Dia-Queen SSTF-1 , Made in Germany........

the color of the fluid is light green , and i checked it facing the OEM , and its the same .
 

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This is awesome, not the SST breakthrough we're all looking for (tcu) but this is still awesome regardless. Breaking down SST walls day by day. Props to the OP on the research
 

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i did all this research , since the Dia-Queen cost in israel 110$ for 1 L ,
and the same fluid cost in VOLVO or FORD 28 $ for 1 L !
I havent check the prices yet, but I hope this is the case here in the US

Good job Amir!!!!!
 

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I havent check the prices yet, but I hope this is the case here in the US

Good job Amir!!!!!
Thanks man

I dont know about the difference in USA .
If the fluid price in israel was 115$ for 4 L like in USA , i was not do all this research .

But 110$ for 1 L , its a scandal and its mean , that 6 L cost 660$ !
And all this before 220$ for filter , and all that not include 100$ for work and also , add to all this 16% V.I.T .

i other word , the fluid replacement will cost in israel : 1,137$ !!!

And i"m not start to talking about flash.....:-D

Its only fluid , not Gold !
 

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Ur name will go down in history!

Now some one finish the work by finding out what is the lowest price for this fluid under which name brand?
 

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Tmw morning im going too have volvos price in canada , and i can get it at cost !!!!! Ill keep everyone post if its 45retail il get it for .......30 or less :)))))))))))))) bang!so if you guys want some ill ship!:)
 

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What I am not sure about stating is that the fluid from Ford or Volvo is the same as the Ravenol, this has to be proven somehow. The Ravenol website states it's compatible with all the makes, but does that mean all the makes different oil is the same? They are different colors.

Not saying it's untrue that they are all the same, but so far the only thing I can concretely say is that the Ravenol is compatible, according to their website. It is a lot cheaper than Mitsu.

http://www.ravenol.de/products?part=426
 

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Posted this up on EvoM. In the interests of sharing...

Some old marketing blurb that references BOT 341, Getrag/Ford joint venture, etc. Looks like this was written back in the "development" phase.

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Its written , black on white that the RAVENOL DCT/DSG is filling oil to :

RAVENOL DCT/DSG Getriebe Fluid ist praxisbewährt und erprobt in Aggregaten mit Füllvorschrift:
VW G 052 182 A2
FORD 1490763
FORD 1490761
FORD WSS-M2C936-A
Chrysler 68044345EA
VOLVO 1161838
VOLVO 1161839
MITSUBISHI MZ320065
MITSUBISHI Dia-Queen SSTF-I

So this mean behind any doubt , that all the catalog number above ,
is the same oil , period !

by the way , on the Castrol BOT 341 bottle written : Mitsubishi MZ320065 - Dia-Queen SSTF-1 , Made in Germany........

the color of the fluid is brown , and i checked it facing the OEM , and its the same .
The pentosin FFL-2 I told you about in the other thread:

pentosin FFL-2
That you then shut me down about:

but i want the original fluid , since any of the replacement not mentioned
with the SST gearbox

the Pentosin is mentioned only with VW .

of corse , with so expensive gearbox , like the SST i dont want to do any foolish mistake

So there is only two fluid that mentioned specific for the SST , the OEM
Diaqueen sstf-1 & Castrol BOT 341 .

Amir
is equivalent (and approved VW factory fill) oil as well, and is also amber and clear. ;)

$18 /litre

FFL-2 Spec sheet

There is also FFL-3 (made for Porsche PDK) and FFL-4 (made for BMW M series DCT) that would work well for heavy duty applications (track, etc)
 
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