[logonzojls]

I just got my set it from TR. I havent mounted them yet, but one observation that I compared right away, coming from the NT-05. The sidewalls are very easily pushed down, feels very soft. I still have my old NT-05's in my garage for comparison. The NT-05 feels a great deal stiffer on the sidewall than these. But I have faith in michelins and I'm sure they are going to be a better tire all around. Ill reserve any definitive review until they are mounted up and driven hard.

275/35/18

 

[logonzojls]

Our OEM tire is a 180 Tread Wear.... I would never put a 300 TW on my car. It might be ok for you guys that only drive to Sonic or The Avenue. There is a reason they put a sticky tire on our car from factory. Just Sayin...

Factor.. Like Mr. Mint ,I autocross my car. The tires I use to get to events double as my wets for racing. I have the RE-11 now and might try the RS-3's next. If you are running a 300 Treadwear tire at Autox you are not winning. So that number I know nothing about helps me win. Like I said in my post, if your just out Posing they are fine but I can't use them.

Bro, I get what your saying, i do. You have to realize that tread wear ratings are determined by the manufacture. Its not done by a third party that has no interest in the tires. Also, the tread wear rating does imply how much grip the tires are going to have, but in reality you can have really stick tires that have a higher tread wear rating. MPSS. Michelin has done its homework on these and the reviews speak for themselves. Im not sure you know what your talking about when you reference the tread wear rating as the only basis for the tires grip.:thumb up:

Dunlop Direzza star spec
temp A
traction A
Treadwear 200

MPSS
temp A
traction AA
Treadwear 300

As we all know the star spec is a great tire for autocross, even so the MPSS was rated the highest traction AA, even higher then the Star specs. So do some research my friend and then make a markable contribution to this forum.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=48

 

[logonzojls]

So Logo... You are telling me that your Markable contribution is to tell me that because MPSS add an extra A to traction it's a better tire than the Dunlop. Did you read my posts? I said I wouldn't buy them, But you can. I used to race sportbikes, You can turn a GSXR 1000 into a Harley with the wrong Tires.

just read up champ, your still clogging this thread with useless information. :googlesign:

 

[logonzojls]

I (We) are aware about how tread wear ratings are issued.

I, like you, had hopes that the best Max performance summer tire would be as good as an Extreme Performance Summer tire. I bought the highest rated max performance summer tire at the time (Conti DW - 280 tread wear btw) and I instantly noticed a big difference between them and the previous tires. Fact of the matter is doesn't matter what tread pattern you choose or whatever else, at the end of the day the compound used when the tire is created dictates ultimate grip more than anything else. If you've ever touched a pair of RS3's you can FEEL the difference between them and any Max Performance Summer tire on the market that I've seen. I dare you to prove me wrong. Meanwhile, I'll be going faster than you are b/c my tires are better in the dry. Period.

Did you ever read your link? The traction rating of AA is for WET. You have proven our point. The better a tire is in the wet, the WORSE it's going to be in the dry, it's a trade off. It has to do with the compound of the rubber. For example, the more Silica, the more traction in the wet, but less in the dry.

Yes the reviews by all those BMW and Porche owners on tire rack that have never left the street with their tires speak for themselves. I got an idea. Go talk to someone who actually races their car about those tires. But hey, for those of us who, I don't know, actually race our cars competitively and often, our reviews don't count.

Girl Please.... :ghey:

U mad bro?

 

[logonzojls]

Lol you are pathetic.

Man, I really wish we were closer to each other, you know we could hang out. I could introduce you to my size 12. Seriously, you had some good points until that comment.

No question, the tires will work on the track well. I wasn't disputing that. I was more responding to someone else who was acting like an ass and picking a fight with another member.

I was responding to the non informative post on page 1,2 and 3. How do you explain the length of post that I replied with and the link provided so the member didn't even have to google it for himself. By all means you have your opinion and i have mine. The fact is I disputed a comment on TREADWEAR relating to grip and I provided plenty of information to the misinformed member. I really don't have to explain it, why don't you go back and read it like a big boy.

I'm sorry you don't like my opinion, why don't you beat it and go bash forum members in another thread.

 

[logonzojls]

I (We) are aware about how tread wear ratings are issued.

I, like you, had hopes that the best Max performance summer tire would be as good as an Extreme Performance Summer tire. I bought the highest rated max performance summer tire at the time (Conti DW - 280 tread wear btw) and I instantly noticed a big difference between them and the previous tires. Fact of the matter is doesn't matter what tread pattern you choose or whatever else, at the end of the day the compound used when the tire is created dictates ultimate grip more than anything else. If you've ever touched a pair of RS3's you can FEEL the difference between them and any Max Performance Summer tire on the market that I've seen. I dare you to prove me wrong. Meanwhile, I'll be going faster than you are b/c my tires are better in the dry. Period.

Did you ever read your link? The traction rating of AA is for WET. You have proven our point. The better a tire is in the wet, the WORSE it's going to be in the dry, it's a trade off. It has to do with the compound of the rubber. For example, the more Silica, the more traction in the wet, but less in the dry.

Yes the reviews by all those BMW and Porche owners on tire rack that have never left the street with their tires speak for themselves. I got an idea. Go talk to someone who actually races their car about those tires. But hey, for those of us who, I don't know, actually race our cars competitively and often, our reviews don't count.

Girl Please.... :ghey:

Of course I read the link before posting. If the only tire test that are available relative to traction are wet, then how do you know that the tire will be better in dry? Where are the dry test to prove that? Im serious, I could care less if you do provide it, ill keep looking though.

I think that it is established that the MPSS will be a good tire, Its not a dedicated track tire. Those tires will be faster, duh. But to say that this tire is no where near as fast as the Star Specs or OEM advans because they have a "lower tread wear" rating is just stupid.

If the the(my) evo was a dedicated race car, like gates etc, yea i would want the fastest lap times possible. However these seem to be a nice compromise of both worlds. Its not an R-comp yea got it. Thanks.

You obviously know a great deal about what Michelin is putting into the Super Sports that makes up the rubber compound to be able to say it has worse grip in the dry than a tire with a lower tread wear rating, right??? Thats what we are talking about. See below the original post that i replied to, in case you missed it.

Our OEM tire is a 180 Tread Wear.... I would never put a 300 TW on my car. It might be ok for you guys that only drive to Sonic or The Avenue. There is a reason they put a sticky tire on our car from factory. Just Sayin...

 

[logonzojls]

Stop picking on me or I'm gonna tell !!!!!!

Finally a breathe of fresh air! Lol:rock: