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Yeah I've read/heard nothing but good things about these tires and will be replacing my Advans with them. From what I've been told, though, treadwear ratings are manufacturer subjective so the 300TW on the Pilot SS may not be quite the same as on another set of 300TW. That being said, they are in a whole different class than the Advans and STILL have a higher treadwear. Cost is SLIGHTLY more but you get more for your money.
 

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UTQG is almost theoretical, not a hard science. Either way, you need to read up on tires some more, you're getting hung up on a number you don't understand. Saying "I want crappily rated tires because they don't last long but super sticky for the first few thousand miles" is mind boggling to me.

Jazzberg they choose tires for a specific car because of a few things: nominal performance for cheap likely due to contracts between tire companies and car manufacturers (this ABSOLUTELY happens). They are not often the BEST choice for the car based on reality. Car companies go cheap on ALOT of things (take a look and listen around your car for proof...), including tires. Yes the Advan's are stupid expensive (for us), and they are fairly sticky (when new). The Pilot Super Sports cost less, perform better, and last longer. I fail to see the problem. The A13C is an older design...the Pilot SS are a new design.
 

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You can't make an opinion if you haven't mounted them yet. Reviews your read don't count.

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Fair enough. I'm just going off of reviews and personal experience with other tires. Personally, I'm 100% sold on these tires and will be getting them soon. Summer goal: Kill the Advans lol.

I (We) are aware about how tread wear ratings are issued.

I, like you, had hopes that the best Max performance summer tire would be as good as an Extreme Performance Summer tire. I bought the highest rated max performance summer tire at the time (Conti DW - 280 tread wear btw) and I instantly noticed a big difference between them and the previous tires. Fact of the matter is doesn't matter what tread pattern you choose or whatever else, at the end of the day the compound used when the tire is created dictates ultimate grip more than anything else. If you've ever touched a pair of RS3's you can FEEL the difference between them and any Max Performance Summer tire on the market that I've seen. I dare you to prove me wrong. Meanwhile, I'll be going faster than you are b/c my tires are better in the dry. Period.

Did you ever read your link? The traction rating of AA is for WET. You have proven our point. The better a tire is in the wet, the WORSE it's going to be in the dry, it's a trade off. It has to do with the compound of the rubber. For example, the more Silica, the more traction in the wet, but less in the dry.

Yes the reviews by all those BMW and Porche owners on tire rack that have never left the street with their tires speak for themselves. I got an idea. Go talk to someone who actually races their car about those tires. But hey, for those of us who, I don't know, actually race our cars competitively and often, our reviews don't count.

Girl Please.... :ghey:
There may be BETTER track tires out there (obviously, yet that's all you keep saying), but the track isn't where you spend the bulk of your time unless you're Robevo or Gates. Good information in your post, but how about the fact that the MPSS have been track tested heavily during the One Lap of America? Tested and proven. Not all of us need R compound tires and not all of us track on a weekly basis. This is a compromise tire for BOTH. I'm sure it's quite capable for an auto-X.

I will be switching to these once my Michelin PS2's wear out... The PS2's are UNREAL in dry and wet. I put them to the task last year in South Florida during their heavy rain on the Turn Pike and they felt planted even at 120km/hr and the Pilot Sport's are supposed to be all around better in wet and similar in dry... and for my dry traction experience, my dad uses these on his Twin turbo Z06 and they will stick when flooring it in 2nd gear and thats on a 800hp vehicle...

I am going to assume they are very close to PS2's and they are 10000000000000x better in every single way than the OEM tires. You will never buy a different tire again after running the Michelin's..
Good post. I'm trying to convince a few RWD friends of mine that these might be good for them because of your dad's experience.

I'll say this one more time: The MPSS are, as Tire Rack told me, STREET tires that CAN be taken to the TRACK, not the other way around. NO ONE is arguing otherwise.
 

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No question, the tires will work on the track well. I wasn't disputing that. I was more responding to someone else who was acting like an ass and picking a fight with another member.

I would probably love to DD in these tires. I would just swap them out before running an Auto X if I was trying to be as competitive as possible in my class. I definitely think these tires would be great tires for the evo overall, and it's not like running all seasons in the summer by any means. The point I was making is that I personally feel it's foolish to make the argument that these would be *faster* on the track/auto-x than the RS3's or Star Specs. Better tread life - sure, better turn in or response, possibly, but not better sheer grip. I've made that mistake and was trying to inform people before spending over a grand on a set of tires like I did, there are situations where you might wish you were running a more aggressive compound.
Agreed in all points, especially in bold ^^

I wasn't trying to be a dick with my post, rereading it I think I worded it a bit strong.
 
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